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Title: Recent Studies Show That Psychedelic Drugs Are Not Bad For Mental Health — But Alcohol Is
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Free Thought Project
URL Source: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/st ... ugs-bad-mental-health-alcohol/
Published: Oct 10, 2015
Author: John Vibes
Post Date: 2015-10-10 12:16:27 by Deckard
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Views: 32344
Comments: 116
It is a matter of provable fact that psychedelics are the safest compounds within the modern drug culture. The strongest hallucinogen known to man dimethyltryptamine is actually less damaging to the human body than America’s favorite fix, caffeine. Many substances that are deeply embedded in American culture such as alcohol, caffeine, nicotine or pharmaceutical narcotics are in fact toxins, while psychedelic compounds are actually physically benign and many times already occur naturally in human chemistry. What this means is that the chemicals which make psychedelics do what they do are actually naturally occurring compounds that are chemically suited for your body. Study after study confirms the safety and natural composition of these substances, yet psychedelics are vilified in our media, politics and other cultural institutions. This massive public smear campaign exists because the establishment fears the impact that psychedelics would have on their control structure. You see, these drugs are not dangerous to the individual or the community, but they make us seek our own answers about the world around us, instead of swallowing the line of garbage that we have been fed by the establishment. Psychedelics will break down the personal ego and cultural barriers that our society has corrupted us with and will make negative cultural norms such as war, poverty and oppression seem completely insane. This kind of social clarity could be very dangerous for the establishment and their control system, which is why they insist that these substances are bad and cannot be introduced into society. A recent study conducted by the Research Council of Norway has found that psychedelics do not have any long-term negative effects on mental health. A recent large population study of 130,000 adults in the United States failed to find evidence for a link between psychedelic use (lysergic acid diethylamide, psilocybin or mescaline) and mental health problems. Using a new data set consisting of 135,095 randomly selected United States adults, including 19,299 psychedelic users, we examine the associations between psychedelic use and mental health. After adjusting for sociodemographics, other drug use and childhood depression, we found no significant associations between lifetime use of psychedelics and increased likelihood of past year serious psychological distress, mental health treatment, suicidal thoughts, suicidal plans and suicide attempt, depression and anxiety. We failed to find evidence that psychedelic use is an independent risk factor for mental health problems. Psychedelics are not known to harm the brain or other body organs or to cause addiction or compulsive use; serious adverse events involving psychedelics are extremely rare. Overall, it is difficult to see how prohibition of psychedelics can be justified as a public health measure. The study went on to point out that, “drug abuse experts consistently rank LSD and/or psilocybin mushrooms as much less harmful to the individual user and to society compared to alcohol and other controlled substances.” Another study published in 2010 linked alcohol abuse to suicide and depression. The government isn’t against all drugs, they shove drugs down your throat every day through your food, alcohol, and prescriptions. What the government is against is people thinking about the world differently and questioning the authority that they have been trained to live under. Psychedelics can catalyze this thought process, and it is for this reason that the American government took quick action to make these substances illegal and to vilify them in the public arena. These psychedelic compounds are so important that we cannot let them be suppressed in the extreme manner that we see in western culture. Psychedelics offer us a glimpse into the final frontier of humanity, the consciousness. With these substances, we can explore the human imagination for profound insight that will help us in our own personal lives and the bigger picture as well. We must push for new legitimate scientific research into the therapeutic uses for these drugs. These studies will prove, as they have in the past, that psychedelic compounds have many medical and spiritual uses that are necessary for our species to continue the evolution of our consciousness.
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Since when is alcohol the gold standard? Is society expected to legalize drugs because they're not as bad for mental health as alcohol? That makes my list of "Top 10 Stupid Reasons To Legalize Drugs".
Screw the psychedelics. We know those mind-altering drugs don't alter the mind at all. Perfectly safe to use. In fact, I'm sure there's a study that concludes they actually make you a safer driver. What they need to do is a study on the FDA- approved drugs for ADD and ADHD because apparently those drugs cause children to shoot up schools. Ritalin bad. PCP good.
Nevada lawmaker wants study of medications prescribed to mass shooters Every mass shooting over last 20 years has one thing in common... and it's not guns Screw the psychedelics. We know those mind-altering drugs don't alter the mind at all. The government isn’t against all drugs, they shove drugs down your throat every day through your food, alcohol, and prescriptions. What the government is against is people thinking about the world differently and questioning the authority that they have been trained to live under. Ritalin bad. PCP good. PCP is not LSD, you ignorant tool. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much True,but I noticed you were careful to leave out harm to the mind. I suspect I know why. Yeah,pretty much anybody can drop "clean" acid several times with no mental,physical,or emotional harm,providing they know they are talking acid and chose to do so. Do it every day over a period of time and you become a walking vegetable. I do personally know a few people who appeared to be seriously burnt out back in the 70's that quit taking hallucinogens by the early 80's that seem to be ok now,but I would be surprised if they were back to a normal mental state. Too many fried synapses for a complete recovery. Frankly,I am surprised they are doing as well as they are. Not going to mention names or states,but I have seen one guy that is a regular cast member on a tv show that is now an adult with children of his own,but I remember when he was born,and I know for a fact his mother was taking LSD several times a week the whole time she was pregnant with him. He was a mental basketcase when he was a small child. He would be standing beside her while she was talking,and would suddenly start shrieking and pointing to things that weren't there. He not only appears to be normal in all respects,but he even holds a very responsible job where the lives of others are in his hands and people could die if he makes wrong decisions. I have also been told by people that know him as an adult that he neither drinks to excess or does drugs. I know I seem to be contradicting myself,but IMHO this is not a "One Size Fits All" situation. To say that no one that does drugs like this for extended periods of time suffers any mental or physical injuries is insane. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
A recent large population study of 130,000 adults in the United States failed to find evidence for a link between psychedelic use (lysergic acid diethylamide, psilocybin or mescaline) and mental health problems. Using a new data set consisting of 135,095 randomly selected United States adults, including 19,299 psychedelic users, we examine the associations between psychedelic use and mental health. After adjusting for sociodemographics, other drug use and childhood depression, we found no significant associations between lifetime use of psychedelics and increased likelihood of past year serious psychological distress, mental health treatment, suicidal thoughts, suicidal plans and suicide attempt, depression and anxiety. We failed to find evidence that psychedelic use is an independent risk factor for mental health problems. Psychedelics are not known to harm the brain or other body organs or to cause addiction or compulsive use; serious adverse events involving psychedelics are extremely rare. Overall, it is difficult to see how prohibition of psychedelics can be justified as a public health measure. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much According to the study: OK. LSD was created to help treat mental illness,and from all reports that I have heard,it did a good job because it allowed people to see inside their own mental problems and see the root problem. Once you see the root problem you have an understanding of how to deal with it. Having said that,we are not all identical and we don't all respond to any drug the same way. I have no idea if LSD was even tested on people with perfect mental health. Or if such a person even exists. I am GUESSING that mescaline as well as "magic mushrooms" have effects similar to those of LSD with most people. I also know there were cases of people on LSD doing stupid stuff like thinking they could fly and jumping off buildings,as well as walking out into traffic. Once again,this was a very small percentage of the users,and not typical. As far as that goes,we have no idea if these people took LSD intentionally and knew what they were doing,or if some asshat put LSD in their drinks and didn't tell them about it. I can't imagine the horrors of suddenly being on an acid trip and not knowing why. Serious jail time should be the consequences applied to anyone who does this to someone else without their knowledge and permission. I still think that prolonged use of LSD has to have some sort of negative affect on the mental state of most people. I can't actually claim I know this to be true,but it is not something I would recommend for anyone. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
This is a deeply flawed study. Anyone who has ever done LSD and been around its use for any amount of time knows the truth. I am NOT for keeping it illegal, but lying about its impact on those who don't have their shit together really rubs me the wrong way.
Well I suppose any drug taken by those who don't have their shit together can result in dire consequences. Of course taking LSD every day is probably not a good idea, but then neither is drinking a fifth of whiskey a day. The study did find ...no significant associations between lifetime use of psychedelics and increased likelihood of past year serious psychological distress, mental health treatment, suicidal thoughts, suicidal plans and suicide attempt, depression and anxiety. but doesn't elaborate how often the subjects used the drug - it just states "a lifetime of use". That could mean once a week, once a month or once a year. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much If one has never done LSD, they really have no frame of reference of what could happen. Also, even those who have done it, even the same exact batch, do not know how another may react to it. Many have committed suicide during their first trip on that. This study throws all that out, and to me, that's criminal negligence bordering on the point of murder if someone reads this and decides it's a safe thing, then trips on acid, hates what they see, and decide to end it. If you wish to argue these points, feel free.
Also, a drug that has no harmful effects on cells is heroin, and it is also much easier on the emotions than LSD. If it wasn't for all those pesky stop breathing episodes, it would be wonderful. Am surprised these people making this study haven't gone that route as well, but I guess selling heroin as safe is something not even Americans would believe.
Have you ingested LSD?
Perhaps 20 times Edit: this is all many years ago, as all my drug usage is.
Alot of people say (within my sphere of being) that LSD provided a glimpse into an unknown structure about how to regard the world around us. What does an altered perception regarding the Universe about each of our lives really mean?
Ha... that's heroines best attribute... the ease to overdose. Don't be a hater. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Why not suck down a healthy dose of LSD and mix that shit with a lot of alcohol. Just before your stroke or heart attack you might find the info you seek. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Who does thes studies and who gives them glowing approval depends upon whether the are mebers of the drug culture or whether they are countercultural advocates. There is also an inherent defense mechanism operant here and attempt to claim superiority. The implicit claim is, "I'm not nuts, I've been on a successful mission of advanced evolution of my consciousness that you dolts are too limited to understand." I've been butting heads with this type of argument for over 50 years. It is easier to claim it than produce evidence of it. One of the things I have learned is that evidence is not necessary in dealing with people with expanded consciousness. Just making the claim is considered sufficient.
Why not? What do you know about the issue other than walking little kids across the street to school?
Bucky, I've seen more dead stupid drug overdose fucks than you've probably been laid. I've had the pleasure up close and personal to smell their rotting ignorance. So stfu. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
According to recent studies Obama and islam aren't either.
Well, you say you have seen "stupid drug overdose fucks." Why did they die? Your bullets or did you throw your primers at them?
They died because mommy nature thins the herd of people that do stupid shit. It's my favorite part of legalizing drugs. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Mixing LSD with alcohol is not a good idea. Why don't you try it yourself and let us all know how it goes. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much It was a personal decision, correct?
Wonder where all the studies are which claim bacon is good for us. Now I would like to see that one:) "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
Thanks for the recap of the Willard Mitt Romney, voting experience! It probably seemed like a good idea at the time? BullBush. I literally know hundreds of people who have taken LSD,and not a single one of them has offed themselves. In fact,the opposite is true. Those that were depressed gained insights into why they were depressed,and this gave them a handle on depression that helped them control it. It's one of those urban myths created by the drug warriors. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
That's because you don't understand the difference between oil and water,and keep making assumptions about things you know nothing about. Heroin IS safe as long as the purity and the doses are controlled. There are people in places like the Netherlands that have been heroin addicts for decades who still hold jobs and go to work every day. They just stop by a local dispensary that gives out free controlled doses of heroin,take a fix,and go on about their daily lives. That does NOT mean that heroin is good for you. Unless you are in a great deal of physical pain,heroin is a losing game. Each time you take it,it works slightly less well than the time before,and you eventually end up taking it every day just to feel like normal people feel every day when they get out of bed. If you don't get your "fix",you are sick. Which is why they call heroin injections a "fix". Heroin is wonderful stuff if you are seriously injured and need to block out the pain,but there is probably no other drug in the world that takes more out of you while giving less in return. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
There is no universal answer for that because we all live within out own unique universes. LSD can mean a new outlook on life for those who know nothing but depression. For typical people who don't suffer from depression,it means nothing other than a good time. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Do you actually know anything about ANYTHING? It is impossible to get drunk if you are tripping on LSD. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
And you will continue to do so because you are wrong and incapable of understanding and admitting you are wrong. In FACT,you are 180 degrees off. It is people like YOU who are on superiority trip and think you are evolved to the point you will never need any outside help. "Physician,heal thyself!" Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You have all the understanding of a cow chewing a cud. Here is a tip for you that is going to sail right over your head. Seeing something is not the same thing as understanding it. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
True. It's a waste of perfectly good alcohol. It only works if you are already "set the world on fire" drunk and THEN take the LSD,and then it is such a weird and aggressive trip you don't want to do it again. That is one case where people taking LSD can really be dangerous. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No shit. I've been present for my share of autopsies. Why do you think I suggested the mixture? I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
It is impossible to get drunk if you are tripping on LSD Deckard, try and educate this geriatric fool regarding alcohol and LSD. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
If they were the same they wouldn't have diffent names, you simpleton.
Yes,Deckard,please set me straight on this. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
If I knew drug users would die I'd vote for legalization in a heartbeat. But they don't die. All they do is impose a financial and emotional burden on the responsible and productive members of society. They want the freedom to get high, but demand that the rest of us stay sober to take care of them when they f**k up.
I'm glad I retired before LE decided to help keep this trash breathing after overdoses, with NARCAN. I'd would have refused to use it. Stupid games deserve stupid prizes... and mitigating Mother Natures balance of survival of the fittest... is dangerous. Many many do die... you just don't hear about suicides and overdoses in your local paper. I've worked many overdoses and suicides (hundreds) that ended with 2 or 3 lines of words in the local papers obituary section... just stating calling hours and surviving relatives. I'll never agree narcotics should be unregulated... but weed is a waste of LE time. Trust me... I know. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Pete, it's not bullshit, a kid I knew when I was young killed himself while high. He was 13. Also, did you know many blacks who used LSD? There are reasons it is a white peoples drug mostly.
------------------ If I knew drug users would die I'd vote for legalization in a heartbeat. But they don't die. All they do is impose a financial and emotional burden on the responsible and productive members of society. They want the freedom to get high, but demand that the rest of us stay sober to take care of them when they f**k up. misterwhite Here we see our fake conservative duo 'out' themselves once again, --- but, of course, they don't have a clue they're doing it.. misterwhite claims that if we left drug users to die, he'd vote for legalization in a heartbeat. Conservatives, who ARE the responsive and productive members of our republic, do NOT WANT government medical schemes that rescue drug addicts from suicide attempts. -- Communitarian activists like misterwhite do... Drug users want the freedom to get high, and don't give a f##k beyond that. -- Only bleeding heart liberals insist that the rest of us MUST be sober to take care of our 'comrades'.. Grandisland and misterwhite think they're fooling everybody here, when actually, they are the liberal fools...
Yeah. Just as pulling someone over for a busted tail light or changing lanes without signalling is a waste of time. Yet it's amazing what you find -- guns, warrants, DWI, illegal, no license, no insurance, etc. I'm sure you know that, too. Society wants marijuana illegal. When they want it legal, they'll vote that way. But the current situation has to end -- where it's illegal at the federal level and legal at the state level. President Trump needs to enforce the federal drug laws. If the people nationwide object, then let them vote for legalization. Or they can STFU.
IF he knew what he was taking and took it intentionally,that was a rare incident. Every single suicide (walk out into traffic,jump out of windows,etc,etc,etc) that I ever heard of that was blamed on LSD were in cases where someone spiked someone else's drink or food with LSD,and didn't tell them they had done it. LSD trips could be some extremely scary stuff if you didn't know what was happening,and I am serious when I say anyone who does this to someone else needs to serve some hard prison time,even if nothing tragic happened THAT time. Not to mention the fact that anyone who sold or gave LSD to ANY 13 year old,with or without permission,needs to be shot. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I don't personally know of any who took it more than once. I have heard several make the comment "You white people are crazy if you take that LSD! That's some crazy stuff!",which implies they may have taken it at least once. There are reasons it is a white peoples drug mostly. Yes,but you can't mention them without being called a racist. You have to HAVE a mind before you can expand it. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Find me one time in history where the conservative or Republican Party included legalized drugs on their platform. The only thing that's faux... is you. You are a Democrat with a gun collection. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
If they were the same they wouldn't have diffent names, you simpleton. Good grief man, PCP is not even mentioned in that article. Do you even know the difference between a psychedelic drug like LSD and a dissociative drug like Phencyclidine? In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Society does not rule in our republic. We have a constitution that stops majorities from making nearly any damn thing or act, --- 'illegal'.. But the misterwhites of this world don't give a shit about constitutions.
The funny thing is? The war on drugs does not change human behavior. There will always be a percentage of people who will use and a bunch will be addicts. The war on drugs is an incredible waste of resources. Which is hilarious when people say the addict is going to cost society money if drugs are legalized. They pretend it will cost more if legalization occurs, common sense says otherwise.
Find me one time in history where the conservative or Republican Party included legalized drugs on their platform. The only thing that's faux... is you. You are a Democrat with a gun collection. No, I'm a conservative libertarian that respects our Constitution, and has a gun collection. And true enough, fake conservatives and rinos have never had anti-drug platforms. But even you must admit, republican conservatives fought long and hard against booze prohibition, and failed, because they had phony backstabbers like you two, even back then...
Fake conservatives? lmao More like you're a Democrat that knows your party will NEVER love guns or the ideal of smaller, less intrusive government... so you ride the coattails of the (R) party wondering why they won't love drugs. Piss off. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
What, besides rhetoric, is conservative about the Republican Party?
I deal in political PLATFORMS, Sonny. Nowhere has legalized narcotics been part of any Conservative party platform. Answer your own stupid, doesn't have shit to do with the topic at hand question. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
No, I'm a conservative libertarian that respects our Constitution, and has a gun collection. And true enough, fake conservatives and rinos have never had anti-drug platforms. But even you must admit, republican conservatives fought long and hard against booze prohibition, and failed, because they had phony backstabbers like you two, even back then... Far from riding coattails, libertarians are gaining real power in the GOP, replacing RINO phonies like you two. -- Which scares the hell out of pissed off clowns. And 'loving' guns or drugs isn't the point. It's the freedom we have to possess them that's important. Not that you give a damn about those freedoms..
So, you almost can see you've been duped. I guess it's too difficult for you to admit you are naive. So if this doesn't have anything to do with the topic, why did YOU bring it up? The OP was about a flawed study, yet you have talked about everything else BUT the study. Fool, follow your own advice and stick to the topic if you are gonna be such a rage filled asshole.
Why they spend more time thrashing libertarians than democrats.
Then fuck off, you aren't part of the CLUB.... and since drug legalization is more of a libtard Democrat platform staple, JOIN THEM. The conservatives have already moved left far enough... we don't need to add legalized drugs to the conservative platform. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
The democrat party has no such platform.
--- true enough, fake conservatives and rinos have never had anti-drug platforms. But even you must admit, republican conservatives fought long and hard against booze prohibition, and failed, because they had phony backstabbers like you two, even back then... No thanks, I'm not in the socialistic closet, like you two.. We need to return to pre-prohibition sanity about mind altering substances. -- Using them is a personal freedom, and prohibitions are infringements on freedom. But discussing sanity with you is hopeless.
Wait a minute - aren't conservatives supposed to be in favor of LIMITED government and personal responsibility? How is waging an unconstitutional drug war that is a trillion-dollar failure considered to be a conservative position? As far as personal responsibility, why is it that "conservatives" who want the government to stay out of the way and allow people to make their own choices in any other areas become authortiarians when a free American chooses to make his own decisions about the use of drugs? Does the government own you GI? Does the government own your body and have the authority to tell you what substances you may partake of? The Conservative Case For Legalizing Marijuana Conservatives pride themselves on resisting change, which is as it should be. But intelligent deference to tradition and stability can evolve into intellectual sloth and moral fanaticism, as when conservatives simply decline to look up from dogma because the effort to raise their heads and reconsider is too great. The laws aren’t exactly indefensible, because practically nothing is, and the thunderers who tell us to stay the course can always find one man or woman who, having taken marijuana, moved on to severe mental disorder. But that argument, to quote myself, is on the order of saying that every rapist began by masturbating. General rules based on individual victims are unwise. And although there is a perfectly respectable case against using marijuana, the penalties imposed on those who reject that case, or who give way to weakness of resolution, are very difficult to defend. If all our laws were paradigmatic, imagine what we would do to anyone caught lighting a cigarette, or drinking a beer. Or — exulting in life in the paradigm — committing adultery. Send them all to Guantanamo? Legal practices should be informed by realities. These are enlightening, in the matter of marijuana. There are approximately 700,000 marijuana-related arrests made very year. Most of these — 87 percent — involve nothing more than mere possession of small amounts of marijuana. This exercise in scrupulosity costs us $10-15 billion per year in direct expenditures alone. Most transgressors caught using marijuana aren’t packed away to jail, but some are, and in Alabama, if you are convicted three times of marijuana possession, they’ll lock you up for 15 years to life. Professor Ethan Nadelmann, of the Drug Policy Alliance, writing in National Review, estimates at 100,000 the number of Americans currently behind bars for one or another marijuana offense. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Drug laws aren't unconstitutional, dummy. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
The war on drugs is. Ten Ways the War On Drugs Violates the U.S. Constitution The War on Drugs is an enemy to the rights and privacy of U.S. citizens everywhere. And this war not only targets guilty drug users or traffickers; it is also waged against innocent Americans who may think they are safe from draconian drug war policies. This belief is a myth, and here's why: even if you don’t use marijuana, cocaine, pop pills or inject heroin—the drug war can still target you as a suspect. It doesn't matter if you're at work, picking up mail, applying for a job or even purchasing cold medicine at drug stores like CVS or Walgreens, the drug war has boldly established a 24-7 disturbing presence in the lives of American citizens. The drug war is also responsible for the past and present illegal surveillance of people's cars and property and even plays a vital role in collecting information through illegal spying. The government's drug policies have unequivocally undermined basic civil rights and gutted the constitutional amendments. And it's not coincidental that much of the eroding civil rights in the "war on terror" came directly from the war on drugs. Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall once summed up the drug war by reminding his fellow justices that "there is no drug exception to the Constitution." The drug war is a war on everyone. So who is the real enemy? Drugs are not the enemy because drugs are chemicals. We have a war on drugs no more than we have a war on fruit trees. Just read the Constitution and there's nothing in it that says our government can pass laws to prohibit citizens from injecting narcotics or smoking marijuana; our brains and bodies don't belong to the government. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much I read the first one (above) and found it full of shit. The constitution makes provisions for warrants, search warrants and no-knocks. 90% of most drug arrests are confiscated by plain view or smelled via a free air ruling. I'll read no more of your yella, drug loving snake oil sales plugs. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
William F. Buckley A nanny police state is not conservative. You drug warriors are libtards. Buckley considered himself a libertarian that was smart enough to know he won't win shit without the Republican title. That makes him a RINO. He publicly stated many times he was both libertarian and conservative... but unlike Ron Paul, knew the libertarian party was a death sentence for victory. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Most of the nanny police state laws, rules and regulations (aside from drug laws) are created by DEMOCRATS. Like Cuck Fuomo, O'bunghole, Pelosi and a host of other sheep herders. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Another idiotic opinion pulled from your ass with no link to support the mindless drivel you spout. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Oh I get it - when Democrats create nanny state laws it's bad, but when Republicans enact legislation and enforce laws that are the very definition of nanny state-ism, it's good. Oh, here's a news flash for you - Democrats are just as much in favor of the unconstitutional drug war as Republicans. It's about having control over the lives of American citizens. Which is why most politicians become politicians in the first place. It's also why the ranks of police departments are filled with sadistic authoritarian personality types. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much I've got 20 years of confiscating drugs. 90% of all drugs my old department booked into evidence was from simple plain view arrests. Dip shit. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
That alone should tell you that you are a minority turd bag thinker. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
So you say. Even if what you say is true, (which I doubt because - well you are a former cop who lied for a living) your anecdotal tale is not evidence that nationwide 90% of arrests are made from simple plain view arrests. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much So you believe that if we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase. You must, since you believe our drug laws "do not change human behavior". You spout nonsense like that and expect others to take you seriously? I sure as hell don't.
Shut your heroine hole. Your drug addled hero's of society are some of the dumbest shitbags known to society. I've arrested your hero's for talking to me high with a fucking joint tucked behind their ear... AND THEN FOUND MORE WEED IN THEIR BACKPACK, INCIDENT TO ARREST. I could literally tell you hundreds upon hundreds of I'm a stupid drug user stories. lol You should find a better class of people to cheer for. Most of those lazy shitbags also carry EBT cards too. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
If I were you, I'd try and get a refund on that GED you paid for. Just a thought. As far as the rest of your rant - as I tried to explain to you before, your "anecdotes" are not evidence that 90% of nationwide arrests are made from simple plain view arrests. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Yes he did.
ROTFLOL! In your simple minded cop-influenced world view, a person can't be both. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Of course a candidate can be a little of both... but my point (lost in your empty head) was that Buckley would have considered himself more libertarian than Republican/Conservative AND he would have run on the Libertarian ticket (like Rand would have) if it was possible to win while associated with that kook filled party. Reagan was both... but more conservative than libertarian. He was a great president. Conservative with just the right amount of libertarian principles to keep him from being an LF KOOK. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Of course not. Not if the article is attempting to paint hallucinogens as "not bad for mental health". But LSD, peyote, psilocybin, DMT and PCP are drugs that cause hallucinations.
It's a vast libertarian conspiracy, and Reagan was in on it! /s Barry Goldwater was in favor of medical marijuana for Arizona. There will always be a percentage of people who will use and a bunch will be addicts. The war on drugs is an incredible waste of resources. Which is hilarious when people say the addict is going to cost society money if drugs are legalized. They pretend it will cost more if legalization occurs, common sense says otherwise. Dead Culture Watch Before addictive drugs were criminalized, they were incredibly cheap, and sold by mail order to anyone. -- They were NOT a 'problem', -- although prohibitionists saw them as a political opportunity to gain power. Prohibitions change human behavior by creating black markets What a howler, -- misterwhite imagines others here take his anti-constitutional opinions seriously?
You must, since you believe our drug laws "do not change human behavior". I believe the number of addicts would stay the same. I have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise. People become addicts because they are predisposed to it. Regardless, it's really a moot point, in the first place, I am not a smug POS who feels like he has the right to tell another what they can put in their body. That POS would be you.
Well, that's an answer. Unfortunately, not to the question I asked. Let's try again. If we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), are you saying the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase?
And we haven't spent $1 trillion on "the drug war". The federal ONDCP budget (which includes drug treatment programs and anti-drug marketing and border patrol and overseas interdiction) is $26 billion. In a $3.8 trillion federal budget. That works out to .6%.
....four decades after Richard Nixon declared the war on drugs in 1971 and $1 trillion spent since then. The federal ONDCP budget (which includes drug treatment programs and anti-drug marketing and border patrol and overseas interdiction) is $26 billion. In a $3.8 trillion federal budget. In the United States, if illegal drugs were taxed at rates comparable to those on alcohol and tobacco, they would yield $46.7 billion in tax revenue. A Cato study says legalizing drugs would save the U.S. about $41 billion a year in enforcing the drug laws. Have U.S. drug laws reduced drug use? No. The U.S. is the No. 1 nation in the world in illegal drug use. As with Prohibition, banning alcohol didn't stop people drinking -- it just stopped people obeying the law. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much What do we spend because of the dopers? They've imposed a lot of medical costs on society, things like emergency rood visits when they OD and crap like that. Plus the potential gains we lost from people who took dope and ruined their life. Jim Gordon's life was ruined by drugs, he murdered his own mother, and has been institutionalized ever since, drug use made him insane. Same with Syd Barrett. And do you notice the dopers are the biggest anti-Trump people here? Dopers are bad for America, that's why the red diaper babies pushed dope back in the 60's. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
That's highly illogical since Trump had said he would legalize ALL drugs. ...it wasn’t too long ago that the real-estate mogul/reality-TV star publicly supported the legalization of drugs in the United States—and called out politicians for not having the courage to end the disastrous war on drugs. During a luncheon hosted by the Miami Herald in April 1990, Trump slammed U.S. drug enforcement policy as “a joke,” and argued that tax dollars from a legalized, regulated narcotics industry could be spent on programs educating Americans about the dangers of drugs and addiction. “We’re losing badly the war on drugs,” he said, rightly so, to the crowd of 700 people. “You have to legalize drugs to win that war. You have to take the profit away from these drug czars.” There's plenty of other reasons to dislike Trump. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Dopers are illogical. Same ones that whine about free trade with Red China, amnesty, illegal aliens and gun control flock to Bernie Sanders. Esau traded away his birthright for a mess of pottage, your generation traded it away for pot. The generations after yours will curse your generation, and they've every right to. The "if it feel good, do it" ethos that defined your generation cheated the following generations of what their ancestors had put aside and built up for their heirs. A dozen generations before yours built up America, and your generation consumed it in a drug induced haze that numbed the senses and destroyed common sense. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Huh, what? You assume that because someone is against the drug war they must automatically be anti-gun, pro amnesty and for free trade with China? Here's a clue - everyone doesn't fit neatly into your ignorant little stereotypes. Trump is a joke, and it has nothing to do with Sanders, Bush, Rubio or any of the fake conservatives currently running under the Republican banner. The two names on the ticket next November will be Bush and Clinton. Trump is in the race to make sure that occurs. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Based on the current black-market price of drugs. If legalized, the price of drugs would drop 90%. Plus, they're assuming 100% tax collection. They'd be lucky to get $3 billion.
Why do states tax "medical" marijuana and not any other medicine? Where's the compassion? Perhaps because marijuana isn't medicine, huh?
The results in Colorado prove you wrong. The Colorado Department of Revenue, according to recently released figures, just brought in $70 million in taxes relating to marijuana, compared to less than $42 million for alcohol taxes, over the course of a year. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Where's yours? You'd rather see a kid die or suffer epileptic seizures instead of allowing the parents to use medical marijuana or extracts. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Before addictive drugs were criminalized, they were incredibly cheap, and sold by mail order to anyone. -- They were NOT a 'problem', -- although prohibitionists saw them as a political opportunity to gain power. Prohibitions change human behavior by creating black markets. Typically, misterwhite cannot refute the above, and neither can the rest of you 'drug warriors'.. Round and round you go, making the same tired prohibitionist talking points.
Less than a year ago, the Colorado governor’s office estimated a $100 million tax haul from recreational marijuana taxes in the first fiscal year. What happened, Deckard? In Colorado, there is a 10% marijuana sales tax and a 15% excise tax on the average market rate of retail marijuana. It adds up to 25% (excluding the 2.9% sales tax). Alcohol is taxed per gallon at a very low rate (eg., 8 cents a gallon for beer excluding the 2.9% sales tax). Those numbers are reflected above. But when you add the 2.9% sales tax to both marijuana and alcohol, alcohol brings in more revenue.
Buckster ~ It was a personal decision, correct? I can't answer that for Mother Nature... you'll have to ask her (Mother Nature) if she takes the misuse of our species, by that species, "personal". If I were her, I would. I'd find a way that every drug user and faggot died a horrible death and id make sure they easily spread that illness amongst each other. But that's just me... I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Don't put this on me! If the kid's health is that important to the parents, they can move to f**king Colorado where their wonder drug is legal.
I'll revise my statement. You'd rather see your own kid die or suffer epileptic seizures instead of allowing them to be treated with medical marijuana or extracts. Evil bastard. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Fuck you.
In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much The truth hurts, huh? Go fuck yourself you pathetic excuse for a human being. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Go fuck yourself you pathetic excuse for a human being. Seriously children?
Ha... that's how I felt responding to calls. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Did I forget to ping you to the name calling? Sorry about that.
No need to ping me... I see most... and what I don't see ain't important. Have a wonderful day Mr. Devil I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Barry Goldwater made a number of political mistakes in his later life, this was but one of them. Goldwater joined with Democratic Senator Dennis DeConcini to endorse an Arizona initiative, Proposition 200, to legalize medical marijuana….against the countervailing opinion of social conservatives. Goldwater changed and not for the better. Goldwater became something of an outcast in the political movement that he pioneered. He confronted conservatives on a number of issues. Many worried that Goldwater had lost his bearings and a few even whispered that he had become a loose cannon. Some thought that his second wife, Susan, had led him politically astray. A person’s basic tenets sometimes change and it is not always for the best….especially when they drift from being a staunch conservative. Mr. Conservative did drift, he found himself an unlikely new career: as a gay rights activist. In 1996 Goldwater said to Bob Dole that “we’re the new liberals of the Republican Party.” That was while Dole was facing criticisms from hard line conservatives in the presidential campaign and Barry Goldwater was facing criticisms from conservatives in Arizona. Goldwater supported the service of gays in the military. He also opposed limits on a woman's right to choose an abortion. He became a vocal opponent of the religious right on issues such as abortion, gay rights, and the role of religion in public life. While Goldwater won support of abortion opponents in his 1980 U.S. Senate re-election campaign, he then voted consistently in his final term to uphold the 1973 Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion. Later in life, he was honored by Planned Parenthood. Goldwater drove his disciples nuts. In 1992 he backed a Democrat for Congress over a Christian conservative Republican. His candidate, Karan English, won. He applied the full force of his cantankerous personality change to denunciations of the religious right and occasional defenses of Bill Clinton. He even called a press conference recently to urge Republican critics of Whitewater to "get off his back and let him be president." After narrowly winning re-election to the Senate in 1980, he wisely chose not to run again in 1986. He took the easy and honorable way out, he retired from the Senate in 1987.
GrandIsland Speak of the devil: ---- Recently?
Welcome back Gatlin. You should send Yukon an email... it's my understanding he's allowed to post.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
It's my understanding that liberty minded people can to discuss any and all national and international current events on this forum. Are you sure he's 'liberty minded'?
I just did a “drive-by” to see if anyone had posted any tragic outcomes to Jade Helm 15. I found none. This was as I expected since I have seen nothing reported in the media. The post I responded to was at the top of the list when I checked in. I took time to read it and make a comment. You take care…
At that time Goldwater's health was terminal and he took his frustration and anger out by spurning the principles which had guided his, and a generation's, life and could no longer champion slumped in a wheelchair. Retirement was not an option, death was all that he had left.
Rockefeller Republicans, the same libtards that opposed him in '64, in favor of LBJ. Your lies haven't changed one bit since then, Trotsky neocon! You must, since you believe our drug laws "do not change human behavior". You spout nonsense like that and expect others to take you seriously? I sure as hell don't. Sounds like you are trying to tell us that if drugs were legal and cheap that you would become an addict. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Syd Barrett never murdered or harmed anyone but himself,and he was nuts before he started doing drugs. In fact,he started taking LSD in a effort to cure his mental problems himself. Which didn't work for him,one prime reason being he seemed to have overlooked the "get straight and reflect on the insights you gained" phrase. BTW,for those of you who don't know,we are talking about one of the founders of Pink Floyd,and the Pink FLoyd song "Wish you were here" was written to send a "cosmic message" out to him in never-never land. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
As a wise man once said,"A billion here,a billion there,and pretty soon you are talking about REAL money!" Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
If I were her, I would. I'd find a way that every drug user and faggot died a horrible death and id make sure they easily spread that illness amongst each other. But that's just me... I understand your plight of imposing a HUGE government upon wee, little people. But you got paid for it all, didn't you?
Buck, what does your above quoted bullshit have to do with the wonderful idea of a disease plaguing addicts and faggots? I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
So do you think it's safe for me to come out of my bunker?
#2. To: Deckard (#0)
"Recent Studies Show That Psychedelic Drugs Are Not Bad For Mental Health — But Alcohol Is"
#3. To: Deckard (#0)
"After adjusting for sociodemographics, other drug use and childhood depression, we found no significant associations between lifetime use of psychedelics and increased likelihood of past year serious psychological distress, mental health treatment, suicidal thoughts, suicidal plans and suicide attempt, depression and anxiety."
#4. To: misterwhite (#3)
What they need to do is a study on the FDA- approved drugs for ADD and ADHD because apparently those drugs cause children to shoot up schools.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#5. To: Deckard (#0)
The strongest hallucinogen known to man dimethyltryptamine is actually less damaging to the human body than America’s favorite fix, caffeine.
#6. To: sneakypete (#5)
True,but I noticed you were careful to leave out harm to the mind.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#7. To: Deckard (#6)
True,but I noticed you were careful to leave out harm to the mind.
#8. To: Deckard (#6)
After adjusting for sociodemographics, other drug use and childhood depression,
#9. To: Dead Culture Watch (#8)
I am NOT for keeping it illegal, but lying about its impact on those who don't have their shit together really rubs me the wrong way.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#10. To: Deckard (#9)
#11. To: All (#10)
#12. To: Dead Culture Watch (#10)
#13. To: buckeroo (#12)
(Edited)
#14. To: Dead Culture Watch (#13)
(Edited)
#15. To: Dead Culture Watch (#11)
If it wasn't for all those pesky stop breathing episodes, it would be wonderful.
#16. To: buckeroo (#14)
Alot of people say (within my sphere of being) that LSD provided a glimpse into an unknown structure about how to regard the world around us. What does an altered perception regarding the Universe about each of our lives really mean?
#17. To: Deckard (#0)
(Edited)
Recent Studies Show That Psychedelic Drugs Are Not Bad For Mental Health
#18. To: GrandIsland (#16)
Why not suck down a healthy dose of LSD and mix that shit with a lot of alcohol. Just before your stroke or heart attack you might find the info you seek.
#19. To: buckeroo (#18)
Why not? What do you know about the issue other than walking little kids across the street to school?
#20. To: All (#17)
Recent Studies Show That Psychedelic Drugs Are Not Bad For Mental Health
#21. To: GrandIsland (#19)
#22. To: buckeroo (#21)
#23. To: GrandIsland, uckeroo (#16)
(Edited)
Why not suck down a healthy dose of LSD and mix that shit with a lot of alcohol
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#24. To: GrandIsland (#22)
They died because mommy nature thins the herd of people that do stupid shit.
#25. To: sneakypete (#5)
#26. To: GrandIsland, Bum Trippin with Mitt, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#16)
suck down a healthy dose of LSD and mix that shit with a lot of alcohol
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#27. To: Dead Culture Watch (#10)
Many have committed suicide during their first trip on that.
#28. To: Dead Culture Watch (#11)
Am surprised these people making this study haven't gone that route as well,
#29. To: buckeroo (#14)
What does an altered perception regarding the Universe about each of our lives really mean?
#30. To: GrandIsland (#16)
Why not suck down a healthy dose of LSD and mix that shit with a lot of alcohol. Just before your stroke or heart attack you might find the info you seek.
#31. To: rlk (#17)
There is also an inherent defense mechanism operant here and attempt to claim superiority. The implicit claim is, "I'm not nuts, I've been on a successful mission of advanced evolution of my consciousness that you dolts are too limited to understand." I've been butting heads with this type of argument for over 50 years.
#32. To: GrandIsland (#19)
Bucky, I've seen more dead stupid drug overdose fucks than you've probably been laid. I've had the pleasure up close and personal to smell their rotting ignorance.
#33. To: Deckard (#23)
Mixing LSD with alcohol is not a good idea.
#34. To: Deckard (#23)
Mixing LSD with alcohol is not a good idea.
#35. To: sneakypete, Deckard (#30)
Do you actually know anything about ANYTHING?
#36. To: Deckard (#4)
"PCP is not LSD, you ignorant tool."
#37. To: GrandIsland, Deckard (#35)
Deckard, try and educate this geriatric fool regarding alcohol and LSD.
#38. To: GrandIsland (#22)
They died because mommy nature thins the herd of people that do stupid shit.
It's my favorite part of legalizing drugs.
#39. To: misterwhite (#38)
(Edited)
If I knew drug users would die I'd vote for legalization in a heartbeat.
#40. To: sneakypete (#27)
#41. To: misterwhite, grandisland, y'all (#38)
GrandIsland (#22) ----- mommy nature thins the herd of people that do stupid shit. It's my favorite part of legalizing drugs.
"But they don't die. All they do is impose a financial and emotional burden on the responsible and productive members of society."
They want the freedom to get high, but demand that the rest of us stay sober to take care of them when they f**k up.
#42. To: GrandIsland (#39)
"but weed is a waste of LE time. Trust me... I know."
#43. To: Dead Culture Watch (#40)
(Edited)
Pete, it's not bullshit, a kid I knew when I was young killed himself while high. He was 13.
#44. To: Dead Culture Watch (#40)
Also, did you know many blacks who used LSD?
#45. To: tpaine (#41)
Here we see our fake conservative duo
#46. To: misterwhite (#36)
"PCP is not LSD, you ignorant tool."
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#47. To: misterwhite, Y'ALL (#42)
Society wants marijuana illegal. When they want it legal, they'll vote that way.
#48. To: tpaine, misterwhite (#47)
#49. To: GrandIsland (#45)
#50. To: tpaine (#49)
(Edited)
And true enough, fake conservatives and rinos have never had anti-drug platforms.
#51. To: GrandIsland (#50)
#52. To: Dead Culture Watch (#51)
What, besides rhetoric, is conservative about the Republican Party?
#53. To: GrandIsland (#50)
The only thing that's faux... is you. You are a Democrat with a gun collection.
--- you're a Democrat (delusional idiocy) that knows your party will NEVER love guns or the ideal of smaller, less intrusive government... so you ride the coattails of the (R) party wondering why they won't love drugs. --- Piss off.
#54. To: GrandIsland (#52)
PLATFORMS
#55. To: tpaine (#53)
Far from riding coattails, libertarians are gaining real power in the GOP, replacing RINO phonies like you two. -- Which scares the hell out of pissed off clowns.
#56. To: tpaine (#53)
And true enough, fake conservatives and rinos have never had anti-drug platforms.
#57. To: GrandIsland (#56)
#58. To: GrandIsland (#56)
Then fuck off, you aren't part of the CLUB.... and since drug legalization is more of a libtard Democrat platform staple, JOIN THEM.
The conservatives have already moved left far enough... we don't need to add legalized drugs to the conservative platform.
#59. To: GrandIsland, tpaine (#56)
(Edited)
....we don't need to add legalized drugs to the conservative platform.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#60. To: Deckard (#59)
How is waging an unconstitutional drug war that is a trillion-dollar failure considered to be a conservative position?
#61. To: GrandIsland (#60)
Drug laws aren't unconstitutional, dummy.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#62. To: Deckard (#61)
The War on Drugs is an enemy to the rights and privacy of U.S. citizens
#63. To: GrandIsland, tpaine, Deckard (#45)
Find me one time in history where the conservative or Republican Party included legalized drugs on their platform.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#64. To: hondo68 (#63)
#65. To: hondo68 (#63)
A nanny police state is not conservative. You drug warriors are libtards.
#66. To: GrandIsland (#62)
90% of most drug arrests are confiscated by plain view or smelled via a free air ruling.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#67. To: GrandIsland, hondo68 (#65)
Most of the nanny police state laws, rules and regulations (aside from drug laws)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#68. To: Deckard (#66)
Another idiotic opinion pulled from your ass with no link to support the mindless drivel you spout
#69. To: Deckard (#67)
Oh, here's a news flash for you - Democrats are just as much in favor of the unconstitutional drug war as Republicans.
#70. To: GrandIsland (#68)
I've got 20 years of confiscating drugs. 90% of all drugs my old department booked into evidence was from simple plain view arrests.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#71. To: Dead Culture Watch (#48)
"There will always be a percentage of people who will use and a bunch will be addicts."
#72. To: Deckard (#70)
(Edited)
Even if what you say is true, (which I doubt because - well you are a former cop who lied for a living) your anecdotal tale is not evidence that nationwide 90% of arrests are made from simple plain view arrests.
#73. To: GrandIsland (#72)
(Edited)
Shut your heroine hole.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#74. To: GrandIsland (#64)
"Buckley considered himself a libertarian"
#75. To: GrandIsland, hondo68 (#64)
He publicly stated many times he was both libertarian and conservative...
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#76. To: Deckard (#75)
In your simple minded cop-influenced world view, a person can't be both.
#77. To: Deckard (#46)
"Good grief man, PCP is not even mentioned in that article."
#78. To: Deckard, conservative libertarians, misterwhite, GrandIsland (#75)
Goldwater, Reagan, Buckley 
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#79. To: misterwhite, dead culture watch, Y'ALL (#71)
The war on drugs does not change human behavior.
misterwhite : -- So you believe that if we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase.
You must, since you believe our drug laws "do not change human behavior".
You spout nonsense like that and expect others to take you seriously? I sure as hell don't. --- misterwhite
#80. To: misterwhite (#71)
So you believe that if we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase.
#81. To: Dead Culture Watch (#80)
"I believe the number of addicts would stay the same."
#82. To: GrandIsland (#60)
"Drug laws aren't unconstitutional, dummy."
#83. To: misterwhite (#82)
And we haven't spent $1 trillion on "the drug war".
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#84. To: misterwhite (#82)
And we haven't spent $1 trillion on "the drug war". The federal ONDCP budget (which includes drug treatment programs and anti-drug marketing and border patrol and overseas interdiction) is $26 billion. In a $3.8 trillion federal budget. That works out to .6%.
#85. To: nativist nationalist (#84)
(Edited)
And do you notice the dopers are the biggest anti-Trump people here?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#86. To: Deckard (#85)
That's highly illogical since Trump had said he would legalize ALL drugs.
#87. To: nativist nationalist (#86)
Same ones that whine about free trade with Red China, amnesty, illegal aliens and gun control flock to Bernie Sanders.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#88. To: Deckard (#83)
"In the United States, if illegal drugs were taxed at rates comparable to those on alcohol and tobacco, they would yield $46.7 billion in tax revenue."
#89. To: Deckard (#83)
"In the United States, if illegal drugs were taxed at rates ..."
#90. To: misterwhite (#88)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#91. To: misterwhite (#89)
Where's the compassion?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#92. To: all you prohibitionists, (#79)
misterwhite : -- So you believe that if we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase.
You must, since you believe our drug laws "do not change human behavior".
#93. To: Deckard (#90)
"The Colorado Department of Revenue, according to recently released figures, just brought in $70 million in taxes relating to marijuana compared to less than $42 million for alcohol taxes"
#94. To: buckeroo (#24)
Grandisland ~ They died because mommy nature thins the herd of people that do stupid shit.
#95. To: Deckard (#91)
"You'd rather see a kid die or suffer epileptic seizures instead of allowing the parents to use medical marijuana or extracts."
#96. To: misterwhite (#95)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#97. To: Deckard (#96)
#98. To: misterwhite (#97)
(Edited)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#99. To: misterwhite (#97)
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#100. To: Deckard, misterwhite (#99)
The truth hurts, huh?
#101. To: Devil Anse (#100)
Seriously children?
#102. To: GrandIsland (#101)
#103. To: Devil Anse (#102)
Did I forget to ping you to the name calling? Sorry about that.
#104. To: hondo68, Deckard, misterwhite, GrandIsland (#78)
Barry Goldwater was in favor of medical marijuana for Arizona.
#105. To: Gatlin, Grandious, y'all (#104)
Have a wonderful day Mr. Devil
He (Goldwater) even called a press conference recently to urge Republican critics of Whitewater to "get off his (Clintons) back and let him be president." - - gatlin
#106. To: Gatlin (#104)
#107. To: GrandIsland (#106)
--- it's my understanding he's allowed to post.
#108. To: GrandIsland (#106)
#109. To: tpaine (#105)
(Edited)
After narrowly winning re-election to the Senate in 1980, he wisely chose not to run again in 1986. He took the easy and honorable way out, he retired from the Senate in 1987.
#110. To: Gatlin, Hillary, McCain, Rockefeller Republicans, D 'n R Party, progressive neocons, globalist swine, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#104)
In 1996 Goldwater said to Bob Dole that “we’re the new liberals of the Republican Party.” That was while Dole was facing criticisms from
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#111. To: misterwhite (#71)
So you believe that if we legalized all drugs and they were readily available (and cheap, naturally), the number of drug users and/or the amount of drugs consumed would not increase.
#112. To: nativist nationalist (#84)
Jim Gordon's life was ruined by drugs, he murdered his own mother, and has been institutionalized ever since, drug use made him insane. Same with Syd Barrett.
#113. To: misterwhite (#88)
They'd be lucky to get $3 billion.
#114. To: GrandIsland (#94)
I can't answer that for Mother Nature... you'll have to ask her (Mother Nature) if she takes the misuse of our species, by that species, "personal".
#115. To: buckeroo (#114)
(Edited)
I understand your plight of imposing a HUGE government upon wee, little people. But you got paid for it all, didn't you?
#116. To: Gatlin (#108)
"I just did a “drive-by” to see if anyone had posted any tragic outcomes to Jade Helm 15. I found none."
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