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Title: Stephen Hawking Says We Should Really Be Scared Of Capitalism, Not Robots
Source: Huffington Post
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry ... obots_5616c20ce4b0dbb8000d9f15
Published: Oct 9, 2015
Author: Alexander C. Kaufman
Post Date: 2015-10-09 04:41:39 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 3751
Comments: 47

"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed."

Machines won't bring about the economic robot apocalypse -- but greedy humans will, according to physicist Stephen Hawking.

In a Reddit Ask Me Anything session on Thursday, the scientist predicted that economic inequality will skyrocket as more jobs become automated and the rich owners of machines refuse to share their fast-proliferating wealth.

If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality.

Essentially, machine owners will become the bourgeoisie of a new era, in which the corporations they own won't provide jobs to actual human workers.

As it is, the chasm between the super rich and the rest is growing. For starters, capital -- such as stocks or property -- accrues value at a much faster rate than the actual economy grows, according to the French economist Thomas Piketty. The wealth of the rich multiplies faster than wages increase, and the working class can never even catch up.

But if Hawking is right, the problem won't be about catching up. It'll be a struggle to even inch past the starting line.  


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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

The American Dream, 1950: I'm going to work hard, and one day I'm gonna be rich, too.

The American Dream, 2015: How can I get the government to force that rich guy into giving me his money?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   8:14:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

Screw the rich guy... He's the Free Traitor who downsized & outsourced the American Dream to Third World nations, and undermined what was left with cheap H1-B & illegal immigrant labor.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-09   8:50:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Willie Green (#2)

"Screw the rich guy... He's the Free Traitor who downsized & outsourced the American Dream to Third World nations, and undermined what was left with cheap H1-B & illegal immigrant labor."

He did it because of US unions, federal taxes, EPA and OSHA regulations, our out-of-control tort legal system, minimum wage laws, anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action, cost of ADA, cost of providing healthcare, cost of paid family leave, and a hundred other obstacles that liberals like you have placed in their way.

Fine. Pass your stupid laws and regulations if it makes you feel like you're "doing something" for the worker. But wave goodbye to American jobs.

Now you want to tax their accumulated wealth? Then prepare to wave goodbye to "the rich" as they leave the US. As they did in France.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   10:35:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: misterwhite (#4)

Fine. Pass your stupid laws and regulations if it makes you feel like you're "doing something" for the worker. But wave goodbye to American jobs.

Now you want to tax their accumulated wealth? Then prepare to wave goodbye to "the rich" as they leave the US. As they did in France.

Agreed.

The only things valued in America now is our ideas and workmanship.

Once the idea is established and the process decided, the wealthy owner has the ability (and incentive - thank you Congress!) to move the production to somewhere more convenient.

The quality aspect can be contained in several ways, and one way is to tell the consumer that they have little choice since all the other competing products are coming from the same region, so "suck it". If it works for Apple, it can work for everyone.

The problem isn't wealth accumulation, it is the laws that and regulations that allow the wealthy to shift where the workforce is.

The Germans know what is really going on -

“Most business models for low-skilled workers will only be profitable if the wage for unskilled labour falls,” he said.

Hans-Werner Sinn, president of Ifo Institute in Munich, Germany

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-10-09   14:14:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TheFireBert (#16)

"it is the laws that and regulations that allow the wealthy to shift where the workforce is."

If they didn't, we'd have more working here. But the prices we would pay for goods previously imported would be 2-5 times what we're paying now.

Personally, I don't want to pay double for the same products just so some union thug can earn $80 an hour in salary and benefits and retire at 55.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   15:32:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: misterwhite (#21)

Personally, I don't want to pay double for the same products just so some union thug can earn $80 an hour in salary and benefits and retire at 55.

We are still on the same page here.

I figure prices might jump if businesses were given less incentive to move, but many *future* benefits might outweigh the increased costs.

For one, wages could rise to meet the decrease in global competition for potential jobs given to American workers. That in itself would raise prices short term, but many would agree that the market could stabilize quickly given the consumer's want for cheaper goods. This was always a market feature. The current atmosphere for greed plus the easy availability of cheaper workers abroad and dirt cheap shipping have allowed companies to rake in out-sized profits at the expense of the American worker.

With rising availability of jobs is the chance for greater economic driven wealth from the bottom up. The current system is well designed to move money from the bottom to the top, but intentionally rigged to keep the money at the top.

Congress doesn't just have the power to prevent this; it has moved to keep the system in place. Without Congress' meddling, much of the wealth would have remained onshore. Congress is the one that made the hole in the bucket, with the bucket being the U.S. economy, and every year Congress goes back to that bucket to see which regulation, law, export control, or other bug it can rig to make that hole wider. Congress has also strengthened the positions of the unions into a force to be reckoned with. Whenever you have a force of taxpayer fed largess that cannot be removed due to union rules and protection, no matter the well intended reasons, it is Congress who is to blame. I didn't see the right to un-gainfully employed anywhere in the Bill of Rights.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-10-13   22:55:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: TheFireBert (#39)

"The current atmosphere for greed plus the easy availability of cheaper workers abroad and dirt cheap shipping have allowed companies to rake in out-sized profits at the expense of the American worker."

Has that happened? Seems to me those savings are being passed on to the consumer.

I could be wrong. Do you have any examples of U.S. manufacturers reporting outrageous profits?

"it is Congress who is to blame."

We agree. Congress enacted the laws taxing corporations, imposing stifling EPA, IRS and OSHA regulations, out-of-control (consumer and employee) lawsuits, hiring mandates, workplace "rules" and healthcare costs and other employee benefits. Add unions to that mix and it's no wonder American companies are moving offshore.

Now, to fix the problem they created, there's talk of import tariffs to "level the playing field".

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-14   11:13:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: misterwhite (#42)

Now, to fix the problem they created, there's talk of import tariffs to "level the playing field".

The best fix I can think of for their mistakes is to repeal the mistakes they have made.

Fat chance of that happening. I will be a Powerball winner before they repeal anything.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-10-15   9:59:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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