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Title: Stephen Hawking Says We Should Really Be Scared Of Capitalism, Not Robots
Source: Huffington Post
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry ... obots_5616c20ce4b0dbb8000d9f15
Published: Oct 9, 2015
Author: Alexander C. Kaufman
Post Date: 2015-10-09 04:41:39 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 3754
Comments: 47

"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed."

Machines won't bring about the economic robot apocalypse -- but greedy humans will, according to physicist Stephen Hawking.

In a Reddit Ask Me Anything session on Thursday, the scientist predicted that economic inequality will skyrocket as more jobs become automated and the rich owners of machines refuse to share their fast-proliferating wealth.

If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality.

Essentially, machine owners will become the bourgeoisie of a new era, in which the corporations they own won't provide jobs to actual human workers.

As it is, the chasm between the super rich and the rest is growing. For starters, capital -- such as stocks or property -- accrues value at a much faster rate than the actual economy grows, according to the French economist Thomas Piketty. The wealth of the rich multiplies faster than wages increase, and the working class can never even catch up.

But if Hawking is right, the problem won't be about catching up. It'll be a struggle to even inch past the starting line.  


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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

The American Dream, 1950: I'm going to work hard, and one day I'm gonna be rich, too.

The American Dream, 2015: How can I get the government to force that rich guy into giving me his money?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   8:14:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

Screw the rich guy... He's the Free Traitor who downsized & outsourced the American Dream to Third World nations, and undermined what was left with cheap H1-B & illegal immigrant labor.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-09   8:50:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Willie Green (#2)

"Screw the rich guy... He's the Free Traitor who downsized & outsourced the American Dream to Third World nations, and undermined what was left with cheap H1-B & illegal immigrant labor."

He did it because of US unions, federal taxes, EPA and OSHA regulations, our out-of-control tort legal system, minimum wage laws, anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action, cost of ADA, cost of providing healthcare, cost of paid family leave, and a hundred other obstacles that liberals like you have placed in their way.

Fine. Pass your stupid laws and regulations if it makes you feel like you're "doing something" for the worker. But wave goodbye to American jobs.

Now you want to tax their accumulated wealth? Then prepare to wave goodbye to "the rich" as they leave the US. As they did in France.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   10:35:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#4)

Then prepare to wave goodbye to "the rich" as they leave the US.

Good riddance.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-09   10:54:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green (#5)

Your ideals foster dependent sheep... and as the wealth leaves, it will leave you holding the sympathy bag. Have fun with them.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-09   11:15:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GrandIsland (#6)

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
-- Margaret Thatcher

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   11:22:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#7)

To Willie, the definition of sympathy is spending another persons money to feel good about yourself.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-09   11:25:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GrandIsland (#8)

"To Willie, the definition of sympathy is spending another persons money to feel good about yourself."

He thinks the "income pie" is a fixed size, and if one person has a big slice that means the rest of us have less. Meaning, the only solution is to take from the big slice and give it to the rest.

I can't think of anything more unjust and more un-American than that.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   11:41:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#9)

No, when the pie's big enough for everybody, it's best to slice it so everybody gets a piece instead of letting a couple people hog the whole thing & leave nothing but crumbs for everybody else.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-09   11:57:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Willie Green, misterwhite, All (#10)

No, when the pie's big enough for everybody, it's best to slice it so everybody gets a piece instead of letting a couple people hog the whole thing & leave nothing but crumbs for everybody else.

A couple of serious questiona for you, Willie. Who do you think has created the current system, makes AND enforces the laws and rules, and, has the power to change the system? Do you thinjk that these people have any real interest in changing the system? Thanks in advance for your best reasoned and supported, honest response.

SOSO  posted on  2015-10-09   19:22:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SOSO (#28)

Over the years, business/corporate lobbyists have had the most corrupting influence over the "system"... afterall, they have the most money to do so...
Reform legislation favoring labor, health, safety and environmental interests only gets passed in response to public outrage over some disaster.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-09   21:15:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Willie Green (#29)

Reform legislation favoring labor, health, safety and environmental interests only gets passed in response to public outrage over some disaster.

"Reform legislation hindering labor, health, safety and environmental interests only gets passed in response to public outrage over some disaster."

FTFY

I haven't seen any *reform* legislature in my lifetime that has done much good for anyone here. In fact, my dad always said he didn't see anything good come out of the one party system we have had for the last 80+ years, social rights reform aside.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-10-13   23:04:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TheFireBert (#40)

Four Decades of OSHA: A Timeline

The American workplace is a much safer environment than it was 40 years ago.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-14   9:20:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Willie Green (#41)

Four Decades of OSHA: A Timeline

Another mention of a bloated government function that is barely effective. This 2004 article tells much of the story of how effective OSHA is at "protecting" the worker...

OSHA is a Congressionally spawned creature, but the regulations it creates can reek more havoc on our economy than do any good. Part of the reason it is inefficient is because it imposes regulation without providing a way to offset the cost of complying with said regulation. This causes one of two things: increase cost for the consumer or a loss of jobs for the employee; sometimes both. Congress has shown little interest in controlling the beast either. In the 40+ years OSHA has been in operation, Congress has only sought to repeal one regulation that it thought unconstitutional.

Congress has little oversight on the departments and agencies it creates. Only a fool would think that these agencies give a warm Obama-pile about what is in the public's best interest or whether their actions are constitutional.

The Department of Justice - a limp wad with only an interest in "social justice"; the Environmental Protection Agency - concerned with helping the UN control the scientific dialog when it comes to the environment; the Central Intelligence Agency - runs its own operations without executive or Congressional oversight and hides truth after truth from the public; the Internal Revenue Service - simultaneously used as a tool to punish political foes and as a wealth redistribution center; the Department of State - a wreck and chocked full of political hacks that do more damage than good to foreign policy (and is apparently designed to provide access to very lucrative commercial contracts via foreign wars); the Department of Education - pushes common education material that is not only inaccurate, but also anti-American and full of politically correct language. I could fill this post with many more examples of departments, agencies, and other groups that Congress has not only created (because Congress is who holds the pursestrings), Congress can no longer control what they do or has the spine to stop them, and the abuse will continue as more of these agencies become separate paramilitarized groups that are increasingly hostile toward outsiders. One billion rounds of ammunition isn't bought by non-military groups to build a statue, ya know!

Your worship of these agencies reveals the level of devotion you have to the destruction of the American way of life. Anyone joining you to lift these agencies up as a force of pure good is also a traitor to the people.

TheFireBert  posted on  2015-10-15   9:57:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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