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Title: Stephen Hawking Says We Should Really Be Scared Of Capitalism, Not Robots
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry ... obots_5616c20ce4b0dbb8000d9f15
Published: Oct 9, 2015
Author: Alexander C. Kaufman
Post Date: 2015-10-09 04:41:39 by Willie Green
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Views: 4602
Comments: 47
Machines won't bring about the economic robot apocalypse -- but greedy humans will, according to physicist Stephen Hawking. In a Reddit Ask Me Anything session on Thursday, the scientist predicted that economic inequality will skyrocket as more jobs become automated and the rich owners of machines refuse to share their fast-proliferating wealth. If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality. Essentially, machine owners will become the bourgeoisie of a new era, in which the corporations they own won't provide jobs to actual human workers. As it is, the chasm between the super rich and the rest is growing. For starters, capital -- such as stocks or property -- accrues value at a much faster rate than the actual economy grows, according to the French economist Thomas Piketty. The wealth of the rich multiplies faster than wages increase, and the working class can never even catch up. But if Hawking is right, the problem won't be about catching up. It'll be a struggle to even inch past the starting line. Poster Comment: The rich get richer and the poor get poorer."If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed."
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#7. To: GrandIsland (#6)
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
To Willie, the definition of sympathy is spending another persons money to feel good about yourself.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
He thinks the "income pie" is a fixed size, and if one person has a big slice that means the rest of us have less. Meaning, the only solution is to take from the big slice and give it to the rest. I can't think of anything more unjust and more un-American than that.
No, when the pie's big enough for everybody, it's best to slice it so everybody gets a piece instead of letting a couple people hog the whole thing & leave nothing but crumbs for everybody else.
Then why can people from 3rd world nations come here not speak a lick of English and become very successful without cheating or using pappa's wealth? If you want a piece of the pie you need to get your sorry lazy ass up and go get a slice or two. Stop making excuses and carve out a piece for you and your family. If you are unable to get there because you are truly disabled then there are millions of charities and churches willing to step in and help. I know its private and you hate private anything. If it isn't government then it ain't shit, right!
If they can do that, then there's no need to lower our taxes or reduce our regulations.
This country was founded on FREEDOM & LIBERTY... and it's my right to have the FREEDOM to make my pie bigger than yours. Why are you so opposed to freedom and what we are founded on? Is it because your level of sympathy exceeds the level of resources to achieve it... so you have to steal resources that isn't yours? I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
If they can do that, then there's no need to lower our taxes or reduce our regulations. Im not sure what you are talking about? If a 3rd world person can be successful why can't born and raised Americans? Are we inferior to other people around the world? What I do not want from my government is for it to make one group a special group above all others. Its communist to do so! Either we are inclusive or we are exclusive. To give only special groups legal abilities to have special group status over others is unGodly, unAmerican and communist!
You don't get it. There is no pie. The rich have no affect on your ability to make money.
Now you want to tax their accumulated wealth? Then prepare to wave goodbye to "the rich" as they leave the US. As they did in France. Agreed. The only things valued in America now is our ideas and workmanship. Once the idea is established and the process decided, the wealthy owner has the ability (and incentive - thank you Congress!) to move the production to somewhere more convenient. The quality aspect can be contained in several ways, and one way is to tell the consumer that they have little choice since all the other competing products are coming from the same region, so "suck it". If it works for Apple, it can work for everyone. The problem isn't wealth accumulation, it is the laws that and regulations that allow the wealthy to shift where the workforce is. The Germans know what is really going on -
You mean like the corporate welfare, subsidies, tax breaks and regulatory waivers arranged by the GOP for special interests?
Of course they do. They use their money to corrupt the political process and rig the economic conditions in their favor.
News flash genius, BOTH parties engage in cronyism. Only someone blind or foolish believes otherwise.
Sure. But if they use their money to corrupt the political process and rig the economic conditions by arranging for corporate welfare, subsidies, tax breaks and regulatory waivers in their favor, that doesn't affect my earning potential.
If they didn't, we'd have more working here. But the prices we would pay for goods previously imported would be 2-5 times what we're paying now. Personally, I don't want to pay double for the same products just so some union thug can earn $80 an hour in salary and benefits and retire at 55.
dims and pubs. Dims have owned the house and senate as long as the pubs have and guess what. Dims don't knock it out just like pubs dont knock out abortion. Its all talk to keep sheeple voting for them. BTW Unions are a corporations just as much as GM or Apple. Also corporations are not people so there is no reason for them to pay taxes unless you are looking to soak the sheeple without them knowing it. Your understanding of taxes and economics come straight from the communist hand book. People are the only ones to create wealth so they are the only ones that can pay taxes. If you tax a corporations you are only taxing those that consume their product or service. Every time you losers try to stick the rich with your tax bill they laugh at your stupid asses. They just payoff your demoncrat congressman and get a loophole made while they raise tax on everyone else.
That's OK because we'd be making more money too and could afford it. "The poor get richer and the rich get poorer" --- has a nice ring to it, don'tcha think!
No they're not. Unlike GM or Apple, labor unions are nonprofit organizations.
Bull crap unions are a business. Just like any of those evil corporations. With all the special breaks those evil corps get. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
Then why can people from 3rd world nations come here not speak a lick of English and become very successful without cheating or using pappa's wealth? If they can do that, then there's no need to lower our taxes or reduce our regulations. If they can do that, then there's no need to lower our taxes or reduce our regulations. If they can do that why can't all those born here do it? Willie Boy, you are a master of the flawed, often contradictory agruments. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Bwahahahahahahahahaha.... Stop it. Please, Willie. You are killing me. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha........................................ потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
A couple of serious questiona for you, Willie. Who do you think has created the current system, makes AND enforces the laws and rules, and, has the power to change the system? Do you thinjk that these people have any real interest in changing the system? Thanks in advance for your best reasoned and supported, honest response. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Over the years, business/corporate lobbyists have had the most corrupting influence over the "system"... afterall, they have the most money to do so...
Thanks but how about answering the questions I aksed. I'll repeat them for you: Who do you think has created the current system, makes AND enforces the laws and rules, and, has the power to change the rule and laws? Do you think that these people have any real interest in changing the system, laws, rules, etc.? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Did you deliberately leave unions of your hit list or just forgot about them? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Hawking has a lot more faith in robotic machinery than I do in Stephan Hawking.
He is using imagined extreme case to extract the underlying mechanism. Common method in science.
No, I did not forget about them. The legislative influence of labor unions and other nonprofit organizations is implied in the second paragraph of my response: But you asked who created the system, and I told you. The power of Corporate and Union lobbyists did not evolve in tandem. Business interests began vying for political favors and government contracts almost the instant our nation was founded. Labor unions and their reforms didn't begin to emerge on a national scale until a century later, after the Civil War. That's when the federal civil service was established to displace the corrupt political "spoils" system of government employment. And in the private sector, national labor unions gained support in response to the squalid working/living conditions generated by the excesses of the "Robber Barons" and the Industrial Revolution.
Selective memory loss... Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
So what? The U.S. tax code didn't really get written until the start of the 1920s and then just accelerated from then on. THe Unions have had an extemely strong hand in both Fed and state elections for decades upon decades now. I find that you are a very intellectually dishonest person. The corporate and union lobbyist certainly have sway with the legislative process that actually put the laws into words but it is only the legislators themself that can actually enact laws and only elected officials can enforce the laws. B oth REP and DRat elected oficials owe their soul, and personal finacnial fortunes, to those that put up the money that funds their election campaigns (which almost all used to fund personal life style purposes). It is the people the We The People put into those offices that actually make and enforce the laws and for the most part it is those same people that are direct benficiaries of the laws that that pass and enforce. It may be simplistic to say that the Unions (including the various lawyer associations) own the DRat party but it is substantially true. It may be simplistic to say the big corporations (including the Chamber of Commerce) own the REP party but that truly is an over simplification. Many, many DRats get very big dollars from the corporate sector and have for decades (including your beloved Clintons). You are truly delusional to think that the people who most benefit from the current laws - more importantly how they are enforced - namely Congress and POTUS, are going to change the rules to their detriment. And even more delusional to think that the DRat planation slaves or those John Q Public that are beholden to REP largess are going to vote for someone else that would take away the crumbs and scraps of goodies government dribbles down to them. For all the BS and kabuki thearter coming out of DC the only question in doubt is just how much and how fast the politicians will continue to rape the middle classes and continue to enslave the lower classes. They and the 1% will never be forced to give up a dime for the cause. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I'm actually an extremely intolerant America-First! Buchananite who despises the Klintons just as much as I despise the open borders Free Traitors, neocons & KKK born-again bigots. And because of that, I have no problems telling you that you can take your false accusations and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.
But yet have such compassion and tolerance for the Unions, Greenies, sanctuary cities, and, all other politically correct Nazis. So shove it right back. You are an extremeist leftist loon that has no sense of balance and less ability for critical analytical thinking. But I acknowledge your ability to blindly and obediently cite progressive, leftist propaganda without a thought like der godt little Nazi you are. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
We are still on the same page here. I figure prices might jump if businesses were given less incentive to move, but many *future* benefits might outweigh the increased costs. For one, wages could rise to meet the decrease in global competition for potential jobs given to American workers. That in itself would raise prices short term, but many would agree that the market could stabilize quickly given the consumer's want for cheaper goods. This was always a market feature. The current atmosphere for greed plus the easy availability of cheaper workers abroad and dirt cheap shipping have allowed companies to rake in out-sized profits at the expense of the American worker. With rising availability of jobs is the chance for greater economic driven wealth from the bottom up. The current system is well designed to move money from the bottom to the top, but intentionally rigged to keep the money at the top. Congress doesn't just have the power to prevent this; it has moved to keep the system in place. Without Congress' meddling, much of the wealth would have remained onshore. Congress is the one that made the hole in the bucket, with the bucket being the U.S. economy, and every year Congress goes back to that bucket to see which regulation, law, export control, or other bug it can rig to make that hole wider. Congress has also strengthened the positions of the unions into a force to be reckoned with. Whenever you have a force of taxpayer fed largess that cannot be removed due to union rules and protection, no matter the well intended reasons, it is Congress who is to blame. I didn't see the right to un-gainfully employed anywhere in the Bill of Rights.
"Reform legislation hindering labor, health, safety and environmental interests only gets passed in response to public outrage over some disaster." FTFY I haven't seen any *reform* legislature in my lifetime that has done much good for anyone here. In fact, my dad always said he didn't see anything good come out of the one party system we have had for the last 80+ years, social rights reform aside.
Four Decades of OSHA: A Timeline The American workplace is a much safer environment than it was 40 years ago.
Has that happened? Seems to me those savings are being passed on to the consumer. I could be wrong. Do you have any examples of U.S. manufacturers reporting outrageous profits? "it is Congress who is to blame." We agree. Congress enacted the laws taxing corporations, imposing stifling EPA, IRS and OSHA regulations, out-of-control (consumer and employee) lawsuits, hiring mandates, workplace "rules" and healthcare costs and other employee benefits. Add unions to that mix and it's no wonder American companies are moving offshore. Now, to fix the problem they created, there's talk of import tariffs to "level the playing field".
Amen... well said. Yet the forum agenda posting libtards won't understand any of that because they hate the rich, libtardlly labeled as "elites". A label designed to get you to hate those that use capitalism to succeed.... and leave the unmotivated poor (who depend on socialism) to be felt bad for. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
You remain clueless as to who the elites actually are. "In the beginning, the Council on Foreign Relations was dominated by J.P. Morgan. It is still controlled by international financiers. The Morgan group gradually has been replaced by the Rockefeller consortium. It is the most powerful group in America today. It is even more powerful than the federal government, because almost all of the key positions in government are held by its members. In other words, it is the United States government." - G. Edward Griffin in his book "The Creature from Jekyll Island: a second look at the Federal Reserve" The Pindar is represented by the gold cap on the pyramid. The next layer, or "eye", on the pyramid represents the 13 ruling families. They are as follows: Rothschild (Bauer or Bower) - Pindar Bruce Cavendish (Kennedy) De Medici Hanover Hapsburg Krupp Plantagenet Rockefeller Romanov Sinclair (St. Clair) Warburg (del Banco) Windsor (Saxe-Coburg-Gothe) Each of the 13 ruling families is given an area of the Earth and/or a particular function to fulfill on the Earth. These particular functions include global finances, military technology/development, mind-control, religion, and media. "The CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), established six years after the Federal Reserve was created, worked to promote an internationalist agenda on behalf of the international banking elite. Where the Fed took control of money and debt, the CFR took control of the ideological foundations of such an empire - encompassing the corporate, banking, political, foreign policy, military, media, and academic elite of the nation into a generally cohesive overall world view."- Carroll Quigley in his book "Tragedy and Hope" In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Lmfao... stuff some lithium in that pie hole, swallow it down with water... pour your kook-aid out and get some rest. You're one sick puppy. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Another mention of a bloated government function that is barely effective. This 2004 article tells much of the story of how effective OSHA is at "protecting" the worker... OSHA is a Congressionally spawned creature, but the regulations it creates can reek more havoc on our economy than do any good. Part of the reason it is inefficient is because it imposes regulation without providing a way to offset the cost of complying with said regulation. This causes one of two things: increase cost for the consumer or a loss of jobs for the employee; sometimes both. Congress has shown little interest in controlling the beast either. In the 40+ years OSHA has been in operation, Congress has only sought to repeal one regulation that it thought unconstitutional. Congress has little oversight on the departments and agencies it creates. Only a fool would think that these agencies give a warm Obama-pile about what is in the public's best interest or whether their actions are constitutional. The Department of Justice - a limp wad with only an interest in "social justice"; the Environmental Protection Agency - concerned with helping the UN control the scientific dialog when it comes to the environment; the Central Intelligence Agency - runs its own operations without executive or Congressional oversight and hides truth after truth from the public; the Internal Revenue Service - simultaneously used as a tool to punish political foes and as a wealth redistribution center; the Department of State - a wreck and chocked full of political hacks that do more damage than good to foreign policy (and is apparently designed to provide access to very lucrative commercial contracts via foreign wars); the Department of Education - pushes common education material that is not only inaccurate, but also anti-American and full of politically correct language. I could fill this post with many more examples of departments, agencies, and other groups that Congress has not only created (because Congress is who holds the pursestrings), Congress can no longer control what they do or has the spine to stop them, and the abuse will continue as more of these agencies become separate paramilitarized groups that are increasingly hostile toward outsiders. One billion rounds of ammunition isn't bought by non-military groups to build a statue, ya know! Your worship of these agencies reveals the level of devotion you have to the destruction of the American way of life. Anyone joining you to lift these agencies up as a force of pure good is also a traitor to the people.
The best fix I can think of for their mistakes is to repeal the mistakes they have made. Fat chance of that happening. I will be a Powerball winner before they repeal anything.
-- Margaret Thatcher
#8. To: misterwhite (#7)
#9. To: GrandIsland (#8)
"To Willie, the definition of sympathy is spending another persons money to feel good about yourself."
#10. To: misterwhite (#9)
#11. To: Willie Green (#10)
No, when the pie's big enough for everybody, it's best to slice it so everybody gets a piece instead of letting a couple people hog the whole thing & leave nothing but crumbs for everybody else.
#12. To: Justified (#11)
Then why can people from 3rd world nations come here not speak a lick of English and become very successful without cheating or using pappa's wealth?
#13. To: Willie Green (#10)
No, when the pie's big enough for everybody, it's best to slice it so everybody gets a piece instead of letting a couple people hog the whole thing & leave nothing but crumbs for everybody else.
#14. To: Willie Green (#12)
Then why can people from 3rd world nations come here not speak a lick of English and become very successful without cheating or using pappa's wealth?
#15. To: Willie Green (#10)
"No, when the pie's big enough for everybody"
#16. To: misterwhite (#4)
Fine. Pass your stupid laws and regulations if it makes you feel like you're "doing something" for the worker. But wave goodbye to American jobs.
“Most business models for low-skilled workers will only be profitable if the wage for unskilled labour falls,” he said.
Hans-Werner Sinn, president of Ifo Institute in Munich, Germany
#17. To: Justified (#14)
To give only special groups legal abilities to have special group status over others is unGodly, unAmerican and communist!
#18. To: misterwhite (#15)
The rich have no affect on your ability to make money.
#19. To: Willie Green (#17)
You mean like the corporate welfare, subsidies, tax breaks and regulatory waivers arranged by the GOP for special interests?
#20. To: Willie Green (#18)
"They use their money to corrupt the political process and rig the economic conditions in their favor."
#21. To: TheFireBert (#16)
"it is the laws that and regulations that allow the wealthy to shift where the workforce is."
#22. To: Willie Green (#17)
You mean like the corporate welfare, subsidies, tax breaks and regulatory waivers arranged by
#23. To: misterwhite (#21)
But the prices we would pay for goods previously imported would be 2-5 times what we're paying now.
#24. To: Justified (#22)
BTW Unions are a corporations just as much as GM or Apple.
#25. To: Willie Green (#24)
#26. To: Willie Green, Justified (#12)
#27. To: Willie Green, Justified, All (#24)
..... labor unions are nonprofit organizations.
#28. To: Willie Green, misterwhite, All (#10)
No, when the pie's big enough for everybody, it's best to slice it so everybody gets a piece instead of letting a couple people hog the whole thing & leave nothing but crumbs for everybody else.
#29. To: SOSO (#28)
Reform legislation favoring labor, health, safety and environmental interests only gets passed in response to public outrage over some disaster.
#30. To: Willie Green (#29)
Over the years, business/corporate lobbyists have had the most corrupting influence over the "system"... afterall, they have the most money to do so...
#31. To: Willie Green (#29)
Over the years, business/corporate lobbyists have had the most corrupting influence over the "system"... afterall, they have the most money to do so...
#32. To: Willie Green (#0)
If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality.
#33. To: rlk (#32)
#34. To: SOSO (#31)
Did you deliberately leave unions of your hit list or just forgot about them?
Reform legislation favoring labor, health, safety and environmental interests only gets passed in response to public outrage over some disaster.
Of course, the corporate/business lobbyists resent such reform legislation and devote much of their effort & money toward demonizing and mischaracterizing the organizations proposing the reforms.
#35. To: SOSO (#31)
Did you deliberately leave unions of your hit list or just forgot about them?
#36. To: Willie Green (#34)
The power of Corporate and Union lobbyists did not evolve in tandem. Business interests began vying for political favors and government contracts almost the instant our nation was founded. Labor unions and their reforms didn't begin to emerge on a national scale until a century later, after the Civil War.
#37. To: SOSO (#36)
I find that you are a very intellectually dishonest person. (including your beloved Clintons).
#38. To: Willie Green (#37)
Buchananite who despises the Klintons just as much as I despise the open borders Free Traitors, neocons & KKK born-again bigots.
#39. To: misterwhite (#21)
Personally, I don't want to pay double for the same products just so some union thug can earn $80 an hour in salary and benefits and retire at 55.
#40. To: Willie Green (#29)
Reform legislation favoring labor, health, safety and environmental interests only gets passed in response to public outrage over some disaster.
#41. To: TheFireBert (#40)
#42. To: TheFireBert (#39)
"The current atmosphere for greed plus the easy availability of cheaper workers abroad and dirt cheap shipping have allowed companies to rake in out-sized profits at the expense of the American worker."
#43. To: misterwhite (#42)
(Edited)
We agree. Congress enacted the laws taxing corporations, imposing stifling EPA, IRS and OSHA regulations, out-of-control (consumer and employee) lawsuits, hiring mandates, workplace "rules" and healthcare costs and other employee benefits. Add unions to that mix and it's no wonder American companies are moving offshore.
#44. To: GrandIsland (#43)
(Edited)
they hate the rich, libtardlly labeled as "elites". A label designed to get you to hate those that use capitalism to succeed....
Each of the 13 ruling families has a Council of 13 as well. The number, 13, has great significance to them. They know that there are 12 types of energies that pass through the 10 aspects of God-Mind. The totality of the 12 energies equals a 13th energy. This is considered the most powerful knowledge.
They also know that there are really 13 Zodiac signs, not the commonly acknowledged 12. They have kept the 13th hidden for centuries because it is the sign of the Dragon. They keep the qualities and traits of this sign secret to avoid giving away clues to the Reptilian mind-pattern.
The next layer is the second-in-command families who do the support work for the Pindar and 13 ruling families. While all of the 13 ruling family members are shape-shifters, all members of the 300 supporting families are not. They do, however, all have a high percentage of Reptilian DNA.
They are known as the "Committee of 300".These families include such notable names as Agnelli, Balliol, Beale, Bell, Bouvier, Bush, Cameron, Campbell, Carnegie, Carrington, Coolidge, Delano, Douglas, Ford, Gardner, Graham, Hamilton, Harriman, Heinz, Kuhn, Lindsay, Loeb, Mellon, Montgomery, Morgan, Norman, Oppenheimer, Rhodes, Roosevelt, Russell, Savoy, Schiff, Seton, Spencer, Stewart/Stuart, Taft, and Wilson. There are many others.
The Committee of 300 use many well-known institutions to accomplish their goals, including the Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderburgers, Trilateral Commission, Club of Rome, Royal Institute for International Affairs, Mafia, CIA, NSA, Mossad, Secret Service, International Monetary Fund, Federal Reserve, Internal Revenue Service, and Interpol, to name a few. All of these are private organizations or corporations set up as public service devices, but this is far from the truth.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#45. To: Deckard (#44)
They also know that there are really 13 Zodiac signs, not the commonly acknowledged 12. They have kept the 13th hidden for centuries because it is the sign of the Dragon
#46. To: Willie Green (#41)
Four Decades of OSHA: A Timeline
#47. To: misterwhite (#42)
Now, to fix the problem they created, there's talk of import tariffs to "level the playing field".
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