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Title: Stephen Hawking Says We Should Really Be Scared Of Capitalism, Not Robots
Source: Huffington Post
URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry ... obots_5616c20ce4b0dbb8000d9f15
Published: Oct 9, 2015
Author: Alexander C. Kaufman
Post Date: 2015-10-09 04:41:39 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 6036
Comments: 47

"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed."

Machines won't bring about the economic robot apocalypse -- but greedy humans will, according to physicist Stephen Hawking.

In a Reddit Ask Me Anything session on Thursday, the scientist predicted that economic inequality will skyrocket as more jobs become automated and the rich owners of machines refuse to share their fast-proliferating wealth.

If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality.

Essentially, machine owners will become the bourgeoisie of a new era, in which the corporations they own won't provide jobs to actual human workers.

As it is, the chasm between the super rich and the rest is growing. For starters, capital -- such as stocks or property -- accrues value at a much faster rate than the actual economy grows, according to the French economist Thomas Piketty. The wealth of the rich multiplies faster than wages increase, and the working class can never even catch up.

But if Hawking is right, the problem won't be about catching up. It'll be a struggle to even inch past the starting line.  


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#1. To: Willie Green (#0)

The American Dream, 1950: I'm going to work hard, and one day I'm gonna be rich, too.

The American Dream, 2015: How can I get the government to force that rich guy into giving me his money?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   8:14:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: misterwhite (#1)

Screw the rich guy... He's the Free Traitor who downsized & outsourced the American Dream to Third World nations, and undermined what was left with cheap H1-B & illegal immigrant labor.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-09   8:50:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Willie Green (#2)

"Screw the rich guy... He's the Free Traitor who downsized & outsourced the American Dream to Third World nations, and undermined what was left with cheap H1-B & illegal immigrant labor."

He did it because of US unions, federal taxes, EPA and OSHA regulations, our out-of-control tort legal system, minimum wage laws, anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action, cost of ADA, cost of providing healthcare, cost of paid family leave, and a hundred other obstacles that liberals like you have placed in their way.

Fine. Pass your stupid laws and regulations if it makes you feel like you're "doing something" for the worker. But wave goodbye to American jobs.

Now you want to tax their accumulated wealth? Then prepare to wave goodbye to "the rich" as they leave the US. As they did in France.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   10:35:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: misterwhite (#4)

Then prepare to wave goodbye to "the rich" as they leave the US.

Good riddance.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-09   10:54:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green (#5)

Your ideals foster dependent sheep... and as the wealth leaves, it will leave you holding the sympathy bag. Have fun with them.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-09   11:15:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GrandIsland (#6)

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
-- Margaret Thatcher

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   11:22:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#7)

To Willie, the definition of sympathy is spending another persons money to feel good about yourself.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-10-09   11:25:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GrandIsland (#8)

"To Willie, the definition of sympathy is spending another persons money to feel good about yourself."

He thinks the "income pie" is a fixed size, and if one person has a big slice that means the rest of us have less. Meaning, the only solution is to take from the big slice and give it to the rest.

I can't think of anything more unjust and more un-American than that.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-09   11:41:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#9)

No, when the pie's big enough for everybody, it's best to slice it so everybody gets a piece instead of letting a couple people hog the whole thing & leave nothing but crumbs for everybody else.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-09   11:57:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Willie Green, misterwhite, All (#10)

No, when the pie's big enough for everybody, it's best to slice it so everybody gets a piece instead of letting a couple people hog the whole thing & leave nothing but crumbs for everybody else.

A couple of serious questiona for you, Willie. Who do you think has created the current system, makes AND enforces the laws and rules, and, has the power to change the system? Do you thinjk that these people have any real interest in changing the system? Thanks in advance for your best reasoned and supported, honest response.

SOSO  posted on  2015-10-09   19:22:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: SOSO (#28)

Over the years, business/corporate lobbyists have had the most corrupting influence over the "system"... afterall, they have the most money to do so...
Reform legislation favoring labor, health, safety and environmental interests only gets passed in response to public outrage over some disaster.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-09   21:15:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Willie Green (#29)

Over the years, business/corporate lobbyists have had the most corrupting influence over the "system"... afterall, they have the most money to do so...

Did you deliberately leave unions of your hit list or just forgot about them?

SOSO  posted on  2015-10-09   21:23:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: SOSO (#31)

Did you deliberately leave unions of your hit list or just forgot about them?

No, I did not forget about them. The legislative influence of labor unions and other nonprofit organizations is implied in the second paragraph of my response:

Reform legislation favoring labor, health, safety and environmental interests only gets passed in response to public outrage over some disaster.
Of course, the corporate/business lobbyists resent such reform legislation and devote much of their effort & money toward demonizing and mischaracterizing the organizations proposing the reforms.

But you asked who created the system, and I told you. The power of Corporate and Union lobbyists did not evolve in tandem. Business interests began vying for political favors and government contracts almost the instant our nation was founded. Labor unions and their reforms didn't begin to emerge on a national scale until a century later, after the Civil War. That's when the federal civil service was established to displace the corrupt political "spoils" system of government employment. And in the private sector, national labor unions gained support in response to the squalid working/living conditions generated by the excesses of the "Robber Barons" and the Industrial Revolution.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-10   4:51:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Willie Green (#34)

The power of Corporate and Union lobbyists did not evolve in tandem. Business interests began vying for political favors and government contracts almost the instant our nation was founded. Labor unions and their reforms didn't begin to emerge on a national scale until a century later, after the Civil War.

So what? The U.S. tax code didn't really get written until the start of the 1920s and then just accelerated from then on. THe Unions have had an extemely strong hand in both Fed and state elections for decades upon decades now.

I find that you are a very intellectually dishonest person. The corporate and union lobbyist certainly have sway with the legislative process that actually put the laws into words but it is only the legislators themself that can actually enact laws and only elected officials can enforce the laws. B

oth REP and DRat elected oficials owe their soul, and personal finacnial fortunes, to those that put up the money that funds their election campaigns (which almost all used to fund personal life style purposes). It is the people the We The People put into those offices that actually make and enforce the laws and for the most part it is those same people that are direct benficiaries of the laws that that pass and enforce.

It may be simplistic to say that the Unions (including the various lawyer associations) own the DRat party but it is substantially true. It may be simplistic to say the big corporations (including the Chamber of Commerce) own the REP party but that truly is an over simplification. Many, many DRats get very big dollars from the corporate sector and have for decades (including your beloved Clintons).

You are truly delusional to think that the people who most benefit from the current laws - more importantly how they are enforced - namely Congress and POTUS, are going to change the rules to their detriment. And even more delusional to think that the DRat planation slaves or those John Q Public that are beholden to REP largess are going to vote for someone else that would take away the crumbs and scraps of goodies government dribbles down to them.

For all the BS and kabuki thearter coming out of DC the only question in doubt is just how much and how fast the politicians will continue to rape the middle classes and continue to enslave the lower classes. They and the 1% will never be forced to give up a dime for the cause.

SOSO  posted on  2015-10-10   15:48:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: SOSO (#36)

I find that you are a very intellectually dishonest person. (including your beloved Clintons).

I'm actually an extremely intolerant America-First! Buchananite who despises the Klintons just as much as I despise the open borders Free Traitors, neocons & KKK born-again bigots. And because of that, I have no problems telling you that you can take your false accusations and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-10-10   16:15:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Willie Green (#37)

Buchananite who despises the Klintons just as much as I despise the open borders Free Traitors, neocons & KKK born-again bigots.

But yet have such compassion and tolerance for the Unions, Greenies, sanctuary cities, and, all other politically correct Nazis. So shove it right back. You are an extremeist leftist loon that has no sense of balance and less ability for critical analytical thinking. But I acknowledge your ability to blindly and obediently cite progressive, leftist propaganda without a thought like der godt little Nazi you are.

SOSO  posted on  2015-10-10   16:26:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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