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Title: How Iranian general plotted out Syrian assault in Moscow
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/iranian-gener ... -assault-moscow-172251295.html
Published: Oct 8, 2015
Author: Laila Bassam and Tom Perry
Post Date: 2015-10-08 10:09:39 by nativist nationalist
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BEIRUT (Reuters) - At a meeting in Moscow in July, a top Iranian general unfurled a map of Syria to explain to his Russian hosts how a series of defeats for President Bashar al-Assad could be turned into victory - with Russia's help. Major General Qassem Soleimani's visit to Moscow was the first step in planning for a Russian military intervention that has reshaped the Syrian war and forged a new Iranian-Russian alliance in support of Assad. As Russian warplanes bomb rebels from above, the arrival of Iranian special forces for ground operations underscores several months of planning between Assad's two most important allies, driven by panic at rapid insurgent gains. Soleimani is the commander of the Quds Force, the elite extra-territorial special forces arm of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, and reports directly to Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Senior regional sources say he has already been overseeing ground operations against insurgents in Syria and is now at the heart of planning for the new Russian- and Iranian-backed offensive. That expands his regional role as the battlefield commander who has also steered the fight in neighboring Iraq by Iranian-backed Shi'ite militia against Islamic State. His Moscow meeting outlined the deteriorating situation in Syria, where rebel advances toward the coast were posing a danger to the heartland of Assad's Alawite sect, where Russia maintains its only Mediterranean naval base in Tartous. "Soleimani put the map of Syria on the table. The Russians were very alarmed, and felt matters were in steep decline and that there were real dangers to the regime. The Iranians assured them there is still the possibility to reclaim the initiative," a senior regional official said. "At that time, Soleimani played a role in assuring them that we haven't lost all the cards." "SEND SOLEIMANI" Three senior officials in the region say Soleimani's July trip was preceded by high-level Russian-Iranian contacts that produced political agreement on the need to pump in new support for Assad as his losses accelerated. Their accounts suggest planning for the intervention began to germinate several months earlier. It means Tehran and Moscow had been discussing ways to prop up Assad by force even as Western officials were describing what they believed was new flexibility in Moscow's stance on his future. Before the latest moves, Iran had aided Assad militarily by mobilizing Shi'ite militias to fight alongside the Syrian army, and dispatching Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps officers as advisors. A number of them have been killed. Russia, an ally of Damascus since the Cold War, had supplied weapons to the Syrian army and shielded Damascus diplomatically from Western attempts to sanction Assad at the United Nations. Their support did not prevent rebels - some of them backed by Assad's regional foes - from reducing Assad's control of Syria to around one fifth of its territory in a four-year-long war estimated to have killed 250,000 people. The decision for a joint Iranian-Russian military effort in Syria was taken at a meeting between Russia's foreign minister and Khamenei a few months ago, said a senior official of a country in the region, involved in security matters. "Soleimani, assigned by Khamenei to run the Iranian side of the operation, traveled to Moscow to discuss details. And he also traveled to Syria several times since then," the official said. The Russian government says its Syria deployment came as the result of a formal request from Assad, who himself laid out the problems facing the Syrian military in stark terms in July, saying it faced a manpower problem. Khamenei also sent a senior envoy to Moscow to meet President Vladimir Putin, another senior regional official said. "Putin told him 'Okay we will intervene. Send Qassem Soleimani'. He went to explain the map of the theater." RESIDENT IN DAMASCUS Russian warplanes, deployed at an airfield in Latakia, began mounting air strikes against rebels in Syria last week. Moscow says it is targeting Islamic State, but many of Russia's air strikes have hit other insurgents, including groups backed by Assad's foreign enemies, notably in the northwest where rebels seized strategically important towns including Jisr al-Shughour earlier this year. In the biggest deployment of Iranian forces yet, sources told Reuters last week that hundreds of troops have arrived since late September to take part in a major ground offensive planned in the west and northwest. Around 3,000 fighters from the Iranian-backed Lebanese group Hezbollah have also mobilized for the battle, along with Syrian army troops, said one of the senior regional sources. The military intervention in Syria is set out in an agreement between Moscow and Tehran that says Russian air strikes will support ground operations by Iranian, Syrian and Lebanese Hezbollah forces, said one of the senior regional sources. The agreement also included the provision of more sophisticated Russian weapons to the Syrian army, and the establishment of joint operations rooms that would bring those allies together, along with the government of Iraq, which is allied both to Iran and the United States. One of the operations rooms is in Damascus and another is in Baghdad. "Soleimani is almost resident in Damascus, or let's say he goes there a lot and you can find him between meetings with President Assad and visits to the theater of operations like any other soldier," said one of the senior regional officials. Syria's foreign minister said on Monday that the Russian air strikes had been planned for months.
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#1. To: misterwhite (#0)
So is it time for you (and Teh Donald) to finally learn the name of this terrorist/general/Ayatollah direct commander/envoy who has been involved in every Iranian dustup around the region for the last 20 years?
No. Micromanagement is not a good thing, that's why you have subject matter experts. The big thing is to stay focused at the strategic level and not get bogged down in tactical details. What matters is to have our rivals at each others throats, Trump is the only one that I know of who welcomed the Russian entry on the side of Shia. And he sounds like he wants to keep us out of any Sunni-Shia version of the 30 years war. "He who defends everything defends nothing." - Frederick the Great What is important is to defend our civilization. That includes protecting who we are demographically. Places like the Middle East have overbred, outstripping their resources; if we did not use their oil they would be hosed. What the 30 years war did to the population of Germany and Sunni- Shia version can do to the Middle East. The more the 4 horsemen have an opportunity the thin out the herd over there the more the populations will be brought back in line with available resources. Promoting human rights, development and democracy over there are unimportant and a waste of our resources, and Islamic culture makes it a fools errand anyway. They were 250 million of them in 1922, now there are 1.6 billion. Mama Merkelist foreign policy has helped to bring this about. I won't be heart broken if their numbers return to where they were 100 years ago. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Depending on the eschatology of either Shia or Sunni one or two figures will appear out of this mess, or appear to 'appear' out of this mess: One of the verses in the Qur’an pointing to the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as) refers to “a messenger (metaphorically a kind of messenger, a preacher) who will appear after the Prophet Muhammad (saas).” Through this verse, Allah tells us that He has made a covenant with the prophets that they would believe in and help a messenger who will come after them: The names of the prophets referred to in this verse, those reported to have made that covenant, are revealed in another verse: Then you have the 12ers: The central Shi'a doctrines revolving around the Hidden Imam are the doctrines of Occultation (Ghayba) and Return (Raj'a) . The Doctrine of Occultation is simply the belief that God hid Muhammad al-Mahdi away from the eyes of men in order to preserve his life. God has miraculously kept him alive since the day he was hidden in 874 AD / 260 AH; eventually God will reveal al-Mahdi to the world and he will return to guide humanity... The Hidden Imam, however, will eventually leave his Greater Occultation and appear (zuhur) to the world of humanity. This return is the most significant event in the future for the Shi'ite faithful and has thunderous eschatological consequences. This return will occur shortly before the Final Judgement and the end of history. Imam Mahdi will return at the head of the forces of righteousness and do battle with the forces of evil in one, final, apocalyptic battle. When evil has been defeated once and for all, the Imam Mahdi will rule the world for several years under a perfect government and bring about a perfect spirituality among the peoples of the world. After the Imam Mahdi has reigned for several years, Jesus Christ will return (raj'a), as will Husayn and others”. (Richard Hooker. The Hidden Imam. http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/SHIA/HIDDEN.HTM) It is 'all coming together' in the minds of Muslims both Shia and Sunni and other variants. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
Know of his 'operations' quite well. So do a lot of Soldiers and Marines. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
I don't imagine they'll be shedding many tears when some of his folks return to Iran in body bags. And who knows, some ISIS or AQ grunt may get lucky, there may be a Rex Barber among them. The US never avenged the embassy seizure, that fell to a gentleman named Saddam Hussein. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
That would be the Soleimani who travelled to Russia despite an international travel ban because of links to terrorism . It is pretty clear that the emperor knew of the coming Russian intervention ,and did not disclose that information to Congress or the American people prior to the Congressional vote on the Iran Nuke deal. The buildup of Russian military forces in Syria began in July through late September .It was all spotted by satellite imagery and open sources so there is no doubt about the emperor's and JFKerry's knowlege of coming intervention. Yet Kerry made a number of appearances ,and testified to relevent Congressional committees about the Iran deal without ever mentioning the Russian plan. The deal frees up Iranian assets that are frozen and gives them an immediate infusion of major $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ;just in time to provide the ground troops needed for the offensive. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I saw FNC report yesterday that Iran is currently funding the Syrian military at $6 billion a year. So those $54 billion in unfrozen assets that Odinga is going to give them will come in handy. Vlad is going to make some nice weapon system sales to Iran and Syria. They want some customers for their hardware again during Vlad's big buildup. As with us, larger weapon production runs lower the cost per unit. Others are shopping for Russian hardware too, most notably Egypt and the Saudis.
We've had years of the GOPe telling us the people crossing borders is illegally is a good thing, and now all of the sudden you're against it! If Soleimani traveled to America illegally it would be good, but if he travels to Russia illegally it is bad. Perhaps Putin wanted to pay him $50 an hour to pick lettuce? Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
maybe you can show me where I posted that I favor illegal immigration. Nice strawman! Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
GOPe favors it, and you favor them. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Come now don't be silly. Tomder is not an open borders GOPe. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
In his own words: This is the same "nuanced" crap I've been hearing from the GOPe types since the FR days. They do not want to get rid of the the illegals. Stone can see him for what he is. The GOPe types are sneaky, they know what they're peddling is not popular with "the masses," (being ethnically cleansed from your own country never is); so they must be dishonest, in their words they adopt a "nuanced position." Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
Vlas is a Mussie? Who know? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
This proposal to gather them up and deport them ,although good red meat for the masses ,sound undoable to me . But hey ,it's as sound as Romney's 'self deportation' idea . So because I think that mass deportations is not realistic ,that makes me an open border advocate ? You are silly. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
You are certainly open border. It is cheaper to deport then to pay welfare for the leaches. It is asinine to pretend you are not open border new world order supporter. Pretty much across the board. You're a McArthy John Boehner Mitch Mcconnel type Republican.
Wrong again. However I am in favor of LEGAL immigration . And therein lies the real difference between us . You are a know-nothing nativist xenophobe. I on the other hand recognize the value in hiring legal immigrants . I advertise for manufacturing jobs all the time that pay much more than the service jobs most young American workers settle for . But it's been years since I've had a white American apply for the jobs. If we did not have legal immigration I would not be able to staff my plant . Btw ;I don't know what being a 'New World Order supporter' means. I think you are mistaking that with free trade which I am indeed in favor of. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That is what liberals call real Americans all the time.
It's always cheaper to hire wetbacks.
if the shoe fits wear it . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I call bullshit.
You support NAFTA and GATT so called free trade. Those are components of the new world order.
Well my employees come from many nationalities. You evidently intentionally overlooked the part where I said that I hire above the pay that most young Americans settle for in their service jobs. But since they don't want to get their hands dirty and put in a good day's work, they don't apply . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
It's the truth . Maybe we should move to the South .But here in NY ,American workers are not even applying even though the pay is better than what they get in their retail jobs or their clerical work . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I guess then that is what YOU mean by new world order. Gatt goals are the reduction of tariffs and other trade barriers . I definitely support that. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Legal immigrants vote Democrat by a 2 to 1 margin, so what your are actually saying is that you are in favor of electing Democrats. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
I call bullshit as well. We have plenty of worthless able bodied EBT card carriers that can do the work the illegals do... all you gotta do is stop refilling their EBT cards for free. They'll work. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
so called free trade NWO supporter = Mitt Romney voter (or Barack Obama - same thing) That's the key point. Globalist D&R scum like to pretend that their rigged game is "free trade", but it's crony capitalism, aka fascism. Pray that the REAL Republicans can now refrain from voting for a baby killing, gay marriage signing, gun grabbing, illegal alien loving, global world police warmonger, like Mitt. Or will they vote for Jeb!(R)? Then they wonder why the candidates are so bad. Best wishes, and get well soon. Fully agree ;but I have little impact on public policy (especially here in NY). But I do have a plant to staff . So I gotta do what I gotta do. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That's the key point. Globalist D&R scum like to pretend that their rigged game is "free trade", but it's crony capitalism, aka fascism. Pray that the REAL Republicans can now refrain from voting for a baby killing, gay marriage signing, gun grabbing, illegal alien loving, global world police warmonger, like Mitt. Or will they vote for Jeb!(R)? Then they wonder why the candidates are so bad. you are all over the map . If you did not vote for Romney then you voted for all the above because you essentially voted FOR the emperor ,and we have paid for it with a government that has brought us more radical socialists policies than Wilson and FDR combined. Great Job !!!!!!!! Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I've arrested enough of them off farms, just to find them replaced by other illegals in a month. I did that as often as I could to piss off businesses like you... and if my boss would let me, I'd have arrested the shit out of the business owners who hired them, like you... because you are the problem. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I'd like to thank for your work on our behalf. The folks who import illegals are importing Democrats, so their taxes should go up to pay for all the Democrat welfare programs. Our country is more important than their 30 pieces of silver. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
To my knowledge I've never hired an illegal . We have a screening process that includes e-verify and making sure their legal status is up to date before hiring (I-9 verification ...I'm sure you know what that is) . So you may TRY to arrest me ;but you would not have a case. I am not hiring to have veggie pickers. I hire hard working people with the skills necessary to do their manufacturing job. We pay well and all our employees have the same payroll deductions that every working Americans pay . Most of the long time employees in my plant become American citizens ,and that is encouraged . My parents family came here legally and followed the American dream as I'm sure yours did . One side of my ancestry was greeted with 'Irish need not apply 'signs .The other side were derisively called WOPs (without papers)even though they were here legally . No I am not part of the problem . I hire legal workers willing to do a good job for a fair pay. And ALL legal applicants are welcome . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
My parents were born here, from parents that were legal citizens. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Amen,brother,Amen! Fascism is where the left and the alleged right meet and swap body fluids,with the left playing the role of Trophy Wives,and the alleged Right playing the role of Trump. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
You GOP zombie bots have to learn your lesson somehow, or just get pushed out of the game altogether by the R wing of the party dying off. If the a$$holes you vote for get elected, that's the go ahead for more of the same, and ramp up the destruction of America. If you lose a lot there's some slight chance that candidates might improve in the future. Either way losing is the cure for globalist dummkopfs like you. Stupid, evil, or both, you, Hillary, McCain, Kerry, and Jeb! have got to go! So should plant owners that hire them and the alleged Republicans that vote for the globalist weasels just because they have a R behind their names instead of a D. You profit from the destruction of America,just like the Dims. Our country is more important than their 30 pieces of silver. Repeat that to yourself 10 times every morning as you stand facing a mirror. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Big deal. At one point your ancestors on both sides were immigrants,just like the ancestors of everyone else. INCLUDING the so-called Indians. The key point is they came here legally and willingly became actual Americans. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Big deal. At one point your ancestors on both sides were immigrants,just like the ancestors of everyone else. INCLUDING the so-called Indians. The key point is they came here legally and willingly became actual Americans. Let me repeat myself so I am very clear to the slow here because evidently much of the things I've written here remains unread. I am opposed to illegal immigration . I am very much in favor of legal immigration . That doesn't make me an open border advocate . On the contrary I am in favor of strong border enforcement . If you oppose that then why should I not conclude that your position is really against all immigration ? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I don't really care what you think,but I am more than happy to tell you what *I* think. *I* think we need a moratorium on immigration that prevents ALL people from the 3rd world from coming here,period. Maybe we can loosen the strings and allow a few at some point in the distant future,but right now we need to be concerned more with flushing out the 3rd world trash we have now than letting more in. *I* also think we need to have a total ban on "anchor babies" by eliminating instant citizenship for any foreigner born here. Period. Even the foreigners who are here legally. *I* think we need an instant ban on dual citizenship's. If being an American isn't good enough for you,take your ass to where your heart resides. PERIOD! *I* think we need to not only start cracking the whip on illegal aliens and booting their asses out of OUR country,I think we also need to start cracking the whip on businesses as well as local and state governments that don't enforce our immigration laws. *I* think we need a tall wall on both our northern and southern borders to keep out uninvited foreigners,and we also need to get the USCG more focused on protecting our coastlines from illegal invaders than on confiscating drugs. They are the freaking Coast Guard,NOT a police agency! Furthermore,*I* think we need armed guards guarding the border,and they should be required to shoot warning shots at any potential invaders to make them stop,and if they don't stop,they should shoot to kill. Is this clear enough for you? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I don't really care what you think,but I am more than happy to tell you what *I* think. *I* think we need a moratorium on immigration that prevents ALL people from the 3rd world from coming here,period. Maybe we can loosen the strings and allow a few at some point in the distant future,but right now we need to be concerned more with flushing out the 3rd world trash we have now than letting more in. *I* also think we need to have a total ban on "anchor babies" by eliminating instant citizenship for any foreigner born here. Period. Even the foreigners who are here legally. *I* think we need an instant ban on dual citizenship's. If being an American isn't good enough for you,take your ass to where your heart resides. PERIOD! *I* think we need to not only start cracking the whip on illegal aliens and booting their asses out of OUR country,I think we also need to start cracking the whip on businesses as well as local and state governments that don't enforce our immigration laws. *I* think we need a tall wall on both our northern and southern borders to keep out uninvited foreigners,and we also need to get the USCG more focused on protecting our coastlines from illegal invaders than on confiscating drugs. They are the freaking Coast Guard,NOT a police agency! Furthermore,*I* think we need armed guards guarding the border,and they should be required to shoot warning shots at any potential invaders to make them stop,and if they don't stop,they should shoot to kill. Is this clear enough for you? Quite clear .... good luck trying to take that policy stand and forge an electoral majority . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
If you have to give up your freedoms and compromise your beliefs in order to "win",you have "won" nothing and are already a serf. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
"SEND SOLEIMANI"
#2. To: TooConservative (#1)
So is it time for you (and Teh Donald) to finally learn the name of this terrorist/general/Ayatollah direct commander/envoy who has been involved in every Iranian dustup around the region for the last 20 years?
#3. To: nativist nationalist, CZ82, tomder55, TooConservative, liberator, GarySpFc, *Islamic caliphate expansion* (#0)
Remember when Allah made a covenant with the prophets: “Now that We have given you a share of the Book and Wisdom, and then a messenger comes to you confirming what is with you, you must believe in him and help him.” He asked, “Do you agree and undertake my commission on that condition?” They replied, “We agree.” He said, “Bear witness, then. I am with you as one of the witnesses.” (Surah Al ‘Imran, 81)
When We made a covenant with all the prophets—with you and with Nuh and Ibrahim and Musa and ‘Isa son of Maryam—We made a binding covenant with them. (Surat al-Ahzab, 7)
(http://www.harunyahya.com/en/Articles/5051/signs-in-the-quran-of) “The core of the Shi'ite religious world view is the Hidden Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi, "The Guided One." While the stories of the first eleven Imams are historical in nature, the history of the twelfth Imam is mystical and miraculous. Born in 868 AD / 255 AH, Abu'l-Kasim Muhammad (which is the name of the Prophet himself), and when Hasan al-Askari, the Eleventh Imam, died in 874 AD / 260 AH, the seven year old boy declared himself to be the Twelfth Imam and went into hiding. The Shi'ites believed that he hid himself in a cave below a mosque in Samarra; this cave is blocked by a gate which the Shi'ites call Bab-al Ghayba , or the "Gate of Occultation." This is one of the most sacred sites in Shi'a Islam, and the faithful gather here to pray for the return of the Twelfth Imam.
#4. To: TooConservative (#1)
So is it time for you (and Teh Donald) to finally learn the name of this terrorist/general/Ayatollah direct commander/envoy who has been involved in every Iranian dustup around the region for the last 20 years?
#5. To: redleghunter (#4)
Know of his 'operations' quite well. So do a lot of Soldiers and Marines.
#6. To: nativist nationalist, redleghunter, misterwhite, Too Conservative (#0)
#7. To: tomder55, redleghunter (#6)
The deal frees up Iranian assets that are frozen and gives them an immediate infusion of major $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ;just in time to provide the ground troops needed for the offensive.
#8. To: tomder55 (#6)
That would be the Soleimani who travelled to Russia despite an international travel ban because of links to terrorism.
#9. To: nativist nationalist (#8)
We've had years of the GOPe telling us the people crossing borders is illegally is a good thing, and now all of the sudden you're against it! If Soleimani traveled to America illegally it would be good, but if he travels to Russia illegally it is bad. Perhaps Putin wanted to pay him $50 an hour to pick lettuce?
#10. To: tomder55 (#9)
maybe you can show me where I posted that I favor illegal immigration.
#11. To: nativist nationalist (#8)
We've had years of the GOPe telling us the people crossing borders is illegally is a good thing, and now all of the sudden you're against it! If Soleimani traveled to America illegally it would be good, but if he travels to Russia illegally it is bad. Perhaps Putin wanted to pay him $50 an hour to pick lettuce?
#12. To: redleghunter (#11)
#13. To: redleghunter, nativist nationalist, CZ82, tomder55, TooConservative, liberator, GarySpFc (#3)
One of the verses in the Qur’an pointing to the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (as) refers to “a messenger (metaphorically a kind of messenger, a preacher) who will appear after the Prophet Muhammad (saas).”
#14. To: nativist nationalist redleghunter (#12)
To: redleghunter In his own words:
#15. To: tomder55 (#14)
So because I think that mass deportations is not realistic ,that makes me an open border advocate ? You are silly.
#16. To: A K A Stone, redleghunter (#15)
You are certainly open border.
#17. To: tomder55 (#16)
nativist xenophobe
#18. To: tomder55 (#16)
But it's been years since I've had a white American apply for the jobs.
#19. To: A K A Stone (#17)
nativist xenophobe That is what liberals call real Americans all the time.
#20. To: tomder55, cz82, nolu chan, redleghunter, grandisland, gatlin (#16)
If we did not have legal immigration I would not be able to staff my plant
#21. To: tomder55, hondo68, bobceleste (#16)
Btw ;I don't know what being a 'New World Order supporter' means. I think you are mistaking that with free trade which I am indeed in favor of.
#22. To: A K A Stone (#18)
But it's been years since I've had a white American apply for the jobs. It's always cheaper to hire wetbacks.
#23. To: A K A Stone (#20)
we did not have legal immigration I would not be able to staff my plant I call bullshit.
#24. To: A K A Stone (#21)
You support NAFTA and GATT so called free trade. Those are components of the new world order.
#25. To: tomder55 (#16)
However I am in favor of LEGAL immigration .
#26. To: A K A Stone (#20)
#27. To: A K A Stone, Romney Reconquistas, 50 dollar lettuce, tomder55, bobceleste, nativist nationalist, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#21)
'New World Order supporter'
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#28. To: GrandIsland (#26)
We have plenty of worthless able bodied EBT card carriers that can do the work the illegals do... all you gotta do is stop refilling their EBT cards for free. They'll work.
#29. To: hondo68 (#27)
NWO supporter = Mitt Romney voter (or Barack Obama - same thing)
#30. To: tomder55 (#28)
Fully agree ;but I have little impact on public policy (especially here in NY). But I do have a plant to staff . So I gotta do what I gotta do.
#31. To: GrandIsland (#30)
I've arrested enough of them off farms, just to find them replaced by other illegals in a month. I did that as often as I could to piss off businesses like you... and if my boss would let me, I'd have arrested the shit out of the business owners who hired them, like you... because you are the problem.
#32. To: GrandIsland (#30)
I've arrested enough of them off farms, just to find them replaced by other illegals in a month. I did that as often as I could to piss off businesses like you... and if my boss would let me, I'd have arrested the shit out of the business owners who hired them, like you... because you are the problem.
#33. To: tomder55 (#32)
My parents family came here legally and followed the American dream as I'm sure yours did
#34. To: hondo68 (#27)
Globalist D&R scum like to pretend that their rigged game is "free trade", but it's crony capitalism, aka fascism.
#35. To: tomder55, GOP zombies, stupid, evil, one party nation (#29)
you essentially voted FOR the emperor
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#36. To: nativist nationalist (#31)
I'd like to thank for your work on our behalf. The folks who import illegals are importing Democrats, so their taxes should go up to pay for all the Democrat welfare programs.
#37. To: GrandIsland (#33)
My parents were born here, from parents that were legal citizens.
#38. To: sneakypete (#37)
My parents were born here, from parents that were legal citizens.
#39. To: tomder55 (#38)
If you oppose that then why should I not conclude that your position is really against all immigration ?
#40. To: sneakypete (#39)
If you oppose that then why should I not conclude that your position is really against all immigration ?
#41. To: tomder55 (#40)
Quite clear .... good luck trying to take that policy stand and forge an electoral majority .
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