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Title: Yes, Obama does want to take your guns
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URL Source: http://thehill.com/opinion/katie-pa ... ma-does-want-to-take-your-guns
Published: Oct 7, 2015
Author: Katie Pavlich
Post Date: 2015-10-07 09:44:28 by no gnu taxes
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Views: 2915
Comments: 24
Within hours of the killings at Umpqua Community College in Oregon last week, President Obama stepped to the White House lectern, admittedly without all the facts of the case, to shamelessly politicize the tragedy. “Somebody, somewhere will comment and say, Obama politicized this issue. Well, this is something we should politicize,” he said. Perhaps Obama’s open politicizing of the issue wasn’t the worst part, but instead it was his intellectual dishonesty when it comes to the “common-sense” gun laws he wants implemented. “What’s become routine, of course, is the response of those who oppose any kind of common-sense gun legislation. Right now, I can imagine the press releases being cranked out: We need more guns, they’ll argue. Fewer gun safety laws. Does anybody really believe that? There are scores of responsible gun owners in this country — they know that’s not true. We know because of the polling that says the majority of Americans understand we should be changing these laws — including the majority of responsible, law-abiding gun owners,” the president said. “We know that other countries, in response to one mass shooting, have been able to craft laws that almost eliminate mass shootings. Friends of ours, allies of ours — Great Britain, Australia, countries like ours. So we know there are ways to prevent it.” “We have seatbelt laws because we know it saves lives. So the notion that gun violence is somehow different,” Obama added, “that our freedom and our Constitution prohibits any modest regulation of how we use a deadly weapon, when there are law-abiding gun owners all across the country who could hunt and protect their families and do everything they do under such regulations doesn’t make sense.” The so-called “common-sense” and “modest” laws in Britain and Australia Obama refers to aren’t common-sense or modest at all, but rather require extreme confiscation and bans. In 1996, the Australian government confiscated hundreds of thousands of personally owned firearms as part of their new “common-sense” gun control laws. In 1997, British citizens were forced to turn over their handguns for destruction. The prettier and more expensive versions were confiscated and placed in museums. Is this what Obama is suggesting should happen to the estimated 300 million firearms owned by American citizens? Is that what he means by “common sense,” “modest regulation” and “changing our laws?” Of course it is. It should be noted that after the Britain handgun ban was implemented, crime committed with guns skyrocketed and the ban has done little to reduce overall homicide rates. The same has been shown for homicides committed with firearms in Australia after the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms. “The Government’s latest crime figures were condemned as ‘truly terrible’ by the Tories today as it emerged that gun crime in England and Wales soared by 35% last year. Criminals used handguns in 46% more offences, Home Office statistics revealed,” the Daily Mail reported in 2003. “Firearms were used in 9,974 recorded crimes in the 12 months to last April, up from 7,362. It was the fourth consecutive year to see a rise and there were more than 2,200 more gun crimes last year than the previous peak in 1993. Figures showed the number of crimes involving handguns had more than doubled since the post-Dunblane massacre ban on the weapons, from 2,636 in 1997-1998 to 5,871.” In 2009, the United Kingdom was found to be the most violent country in Europe. Despite Obama’s claim that pro-Second Amendment groups want less gun safety, the opposite is true. In fact, the National Rifle Association (NRA) and the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) have dedicated millions of dollars, thousands of hours and numerous different resources to gun safety programs and will continue to do so for years to come. Since 1988, the NRA has offered its Eddie Eagle program to parents and children as a gun safety resource. Since 2003, the NSSF has partnered with more than 15,000 law enforcement agencies in all 50 states to hand out more than 36 million firearm safety kits. As a result of these programs, we’ve seen a 22 percent reduction in fatal firearms accidents over the past decade. Because of this reduction, fatal firearms accidents now make up less than 1 percent of all fatal accidents in the United States. Further, the NSSF has worked with local state governments in an effort to properly enter mental health information into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, preventing the mentally ill from getting their hands on a firearm. Anti-gun groups, most of which are funded by former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, have done little to promote or fund real gun safety programs. While these groups spend millions to exploit tragedy and to infringe on the Second Amendment rights of Americans, the NRA and the NSSF spend millions to keep Americans and their rights safe. If President Obama had his way, the United States would be just like Britain and Australia, where handguns were confiscated and remain banned with little to show for it. Thankfully, the Second Amendment and the American people will not stand for it.
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#1. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths
Obama has played at being a president while enjoying the perks … golf, insanely expensive vacations at tax-payer expense. He has ignored the responsibilities of the job; no plans, no budgets, no alternatives … just finger pointing; making him a complete failure as a president
So we should be like Japan, huh? "The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation. One American found this out when he was arrested in Okinawa for possessing marijuana: he was interrogated for days without an attorney, and signed a confession written in Japanese that he could not read. He met his lawyer for the first time at his trial, which took 30 minutes." "Unlike in the United States, where the Miranda rule limits coercive police interrogation techniques, Japanese police and prosecutors may detain a suspect indefinitely until he confesses. (Technically, detentions are only allowed for three days, followed by ten day extensions approved by a judge, but defense attorneys rarely oppose the extension request, for fear of offending the prosecutor.) Bail is denied if it would interfere with interrogation." "Even after interrogation is completed, pretrial detention may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a detained suspect, and those meetings are strictly limited." Partly as a result of these coercive practices, and partly as a result of the Japanese sense of shame, the confession rate is 95%. For those few defendants who dare to go to trial, there is no jury. Since judges almost always defer to the prosecutors' judgment, the trial conviction rate for violent crime is 99.5%. Of those convicted, 98% receive jail time. "In short, once a Japanese suspect is apprehended, the power of the prosecutor makes it very likely the suspect will go to jail. And the power of the policeman makes it quite likely that a criminal will be apprehended." "The police routinely ask "suspicious" characters to show what is in their purse or sack. In effect, the police can search almost anyone, almost anytime, because courts only rarely exclude evidence seized by the police -- even if the police acted illegally."
I invite you or any other forum libtard to come take me guns, Willie. If you can't muster up the balls to do that... then stop suggesting others do that for you.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I've had to tell Deckard that that our republic isn't the UK... that libtard likes to compare USA to other countries too. Willie and Deckard are like that filthy dumb shit, Peirs Morgan.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
No thank-you... I'm sure that BATF agents are much better trained and equipped to deal with emotionally disturbed buffoons like yourself.
Japan is like 99% Japanese. No Blacks. No Mexicans. No Arabs. No illegals. Only 1% on welfare. A hard-working culture built on honor and shame. Comparing the two countries on any issue is disingenuous.
So what's wrong with that?
If you're Japanese, nothing.
Lying asshole. I have never called for ANY gun confiscation of ANY type. Go fuck yourself. I've had to tell Deckard that that our republic isn't the UK.. No shit dumbass - my point was that cops in the UK are braver than cops here. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much Ditto!! If any of those idiots try, they will deeply regret trying! Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Who do you think you're fooling?
How nice for the Japanese, may their chains rest lightly.
Or most any socialist paradise. The pesky United States constitution states, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The right to keep and bear arms was an existing right, pre-dating the Constitution, the Articles of Confederation, and the Declaration of Independence. The people established a government of limited powers. The people explicitly established that any infringement of their right to keep and bear arms was not a power which they chose to delegate, in any part, to the federal government.
I've had to tell Deckard that that our republic isn't the UK.. You should ask misterwhite to explain his anti-constitutional views, as per below: -- www.freerepublic.com/focu...c/907467/posts?page=48#48 "You believe that the rights of the individual reign supreme (as long as they do not violate the rights of others). I believe the rights of the individual need to be tempered with the overall good of society in mind." -- misterwhite/robertpaulsen
Well put.. With one not so small addition: ---
Communists need a disarmed citizenry to advance the final steps of totalitarianism.
Psalm 37
Shall I cut and paste the last time you suggested American police don't need to be armed because the UK police don't need guns? I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Mr Whites opinions are no concern of mine. He doesn't write legislation. His opinions are as meaningless as yours.
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
As a regular doughnut eater, give GI a koffee break.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. LOL! Tell me little willie, Who do you think you're fooling? Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
Good luck with that, liar. What I posted was that cops in the UK are able to disarm a man holding a machete using only tasers while here in the U.S. cops will shoot and kill a mentally disturbed man wielding a spoon. In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much That will be Oblabula's MISSION IMPOSSIBLE. I can see him hiring an army of his pet muslim "refugees & immigrants" as his domestic police force to go out & try to accomplish his wet dream. Si vis pacem, para bellum Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
You suggest that American cops don't need guns because the UK cops don't carry... you posted the comparison. Be honest, you'd like Americas cops to be stripped of their constitutional right to carry all those mean nasty weapons you bitch about DAILY
I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.
In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally.
#2. To: Willie Green (#1)
Unfortunately, the Japanese people have given up not only their guns but their personal rights and self-respect. The right of privacy, the right of self-determination, and the rights of unreasonable search and seizure are non-existent as the Japanese police can search any home without warrant. A government record is kept by Japanese police with what is found within the homes, placing a black mark on their record if the item is illegal, such as the magazine Playboy.
#3. To: Willie Green (#1)
#4. To: Willie Green (#1)
#5. To: misterwhite (#3)
#6. To: GrandIsland (#4)
#7. To: GrandIsland (#5)
"that libtard likes to compare USA to other countries too. Willie and Deckard are like that filthy dumb shit, Peirs Morgan."
#8. To: misterwhite (#3)
The Japanese criminal justice system bears more heavily on a suspect than any other system in an industrial democratic nation.
The Japanese Constitution was written by Douglas MacArthur & his staff... MacArthur was a GOP conservative, you know.
#9. To: Willie Green (#8)
"So what's wrong with that?"
#10. To: GrandIsland (#5)
(Edited)
Willie and Deckard are like that filthy dumb shit, Peirs Morgan.
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#11. To: GrandIsland, Willie Green (#4)
" I invite you or any other forum libtard to come take me guns, Willie. If you can't muster up the balls to do that... then stop suggesting others do that for you. "
#12. To: Stoner (#11)
If any of those idiots try, they will deeply regret trying!
The ghetto gang-bangers are better combatants than you Beer Belly Patriots...
They get plenty of practice shooting back and forth at each other...
the best you can do is gun down poor defenseless little Bambi.
#13. To: Willie Green (#1)
#14. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
If President Obama had his way, the United States would be just like Britain and Australia
#15. To: GrandIsland, Y'ALL (#5)
To: misterwhite ---
#16. To: nolu chan, Y'ALL (#14)
The right to keep and bear arms was an existing right, pre-dating the Constitution, the Articles of Confederation, and the Declaration of Independence. The people established a government of limited powers. The people explicitly established that any infringement of their right to keep and bear arms was not a power which they chose to delegate, in any part, to the federal government.
--- their right to keep and bear arms was not a power which they chose to delegate, in any part, to the federal government, or to any other level of government.
#17. To: misterwhite (#3)
#18. To: Deckard (#10)
I have never called for ANY gun confiscation of ANY type.
#19. To: tpaine (#15)
(Edited)
#20. To: Willie Green, GrandIsland (#6)
I'm sure that BATF agents are much better trained and equipped to deal with emotionally disturbed buffoons like yourself.
#21. To: Willie Green (#12)
" the best you can do is gun down poor defenseless little Bambi. "
#22. To: GrandIsland (#18)
Shall I cut and paste the last time you suggested American police don't need to be armed because the UK police don't need guns?
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts
#23. To: no gnu taxes (#0)
" Yes, Obama does want to take your guns "
#24. To: Deckard (#22)
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