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Title: Letter: Put all gun owners in a well-regulated militia
Source: Salt Lake Tribune
URL Source: [None]
Published: Oct 5, 2015
Author: Robert Hammer
Post Date: 2015-10-05 12:40:40 by tpaine
Keywords: None
Views: 8116
Comments: 44

Letter: Put all gun owners in a well-regulated militia

Here's a completely constitutional gun-control measure Congress should consider: Establish a robust national militia, but specify that every gun owner become a member. Failure to register with the militia should result in serious jail time.

In the obvious interest of knowing the quantity and quality of arms available to the militia's purposes, all members should be required to inventory all of their personal arms. Failure to do so should also warrant significant jail time.

In the equally obvious interest of ensuring that these arms might be deployed in effective defense of the security of our free state, militia members should be required to participate in regular, highly disciplined training. Here again, failure to participate should earn offenders ample time behind bars to ponder the deficiencies of their unpatriotic souls.

Would this eradicate gun violence from our society? Of course not. But it would bring desperately needed regulation to bear. Our beloved 2nd Amendment clearly stipulates that the primary purpose of the right to keep and bear arms is in support of a "well regulated" militia, and Article I, Section 8, gives Congress the power to regulate the hell out of those keeping and bearing in that capacity.

Robert Hammer


Poster Comment:

I'm surprised Hillary hasn't picked up on this oh so clever idea. Theoretically, I suppose Congress could pass such a bill, but I doubt even a liberal SCOTUS would agree that such an obvious 'end around' the intent of the 2nd would pass constitutional muster..

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#8. To: tpaine (#0)

They would have to put ALL citizens into a militia to be legal.

Don  posted on  2015-10-05   19:03:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Don (#8)

"They would have to put ALL citizens into a militia to be legal."

He'll be the first to tell you that all citizens ARE the militia.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-05   19:07:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#9)

All?

Why lie Whitey? And if you are gonna lie, why not ping the person you are lying about?

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-10-05   19:31:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Dead Culture Watch (#10)

"Why lie Whitey? And if you are gonna lie, why not ping the person you are lying about?"

Not a lie. Ask him. He has stated that all citizens today are the militia.

I don't ping him because he's done nothing to deserve that kind of courtesy.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-05   21:24:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#14)

Umm, no, it was a lie. Please post proof. Oh, you can't. Just another hour, another lie from you.

He has never said a 90 year old woman should be a militia member, or a four year old kid.

You are so contemptible.

Dead Culture Watch  posted on  2015-10-05   23:28:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Dead Culture Watch (#15)

"Umm, no, it was a lie. Please post proof. Oh, you can't. Just another hour, another lie from you."

MindBender26: "Like it or not, in 2007, it's hard to sustain a claim that all able-bodied men belong to the "reserve militia" when that Militia has no meetings, no measurement of mission standards, no formal structure, no leaders, no rules, in fact, no regulation whatsoever... and a large number of able bodied men are convicted felons or actually in prison."

tpaine: "Dream on. We are all 'militia', and can be called upon to defend our country."

(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1787562/posts?page=30#30)

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-06   10:21:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: misterwhite, tpaine, Dead Culture Watch (#28)

tpaine: "Dream on. We are all 'militia', and can be called upon to defend our country."

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

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"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms
each man against his own bosom? Congress shall have no power to disarm the militia.
Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an
American ... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or
state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the People."
-- Tench Coxe, 1788.

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-06   10:40:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard (#30)

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
-- George Mason, June 16, 1788

Correct. "The people" were the militia, not all persons or all citizens.

And, in 1788, who were "the people"? They were the enfranchised citizens with full rights -- adult white males with property. Those with something to lose.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-10-06   11:05:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: misterwhite (#31)

And, in 1788, who were "the people"? They were the enfranchised citizens with full rights -- adult white males with property.

Women Soldiers in the American Revolution

There are several accounts of women soldiers in Continental Regiments. The most popular account is that of Deborah Samson (the correct spelling does not include a "p" in the last name). Nailing down what appears to be truth and what seems to be erroneous is difficult, as there are many slight variations to the story. Deborah Samson was enlisted by Capt. Ephalet Thorp on May 20, 1782 as Robert Shurtliff in Capt. George Webb's Company of the 4th Massachusetts Regiment of Foot. From descriptions of her uniform, she was apparently part of a light infantry unit.

She participated in fights against Tories from West Point to Tappan Zee in New York State. Near Tarrytown, her unit ran into a skirmish where Samson received a saber wound to the left side of the head. At East Chester, Deborah's unit was ambushed by Tories and she received two musketballs in the thigh.

She went off alone and removed one by herself, leaving the other in. Samson also participated in some fighting with Indians near the Adirondacks.

Blacks in the Revolutionary Era, 1776-1789

African Americans had an appreciable presence in the Revolutionary War. In fact, the first person to die in the Boston Massacre, regarded as the first critical event in the American effort to separate from the British, was a black seaman: Crispus Attucks.

Following this, blacks participated in other outbreaks of hostility between the colonists and the British before the Declaration of Independence. During June 1775, for example, they were among the Minutemen alerted by Paul Revere; they were at Lexington and Concord; and they were members of the Green Mountain Boys. Peter Salem, Salem Poor, and Prince Hall, who later founded the first black lodge of Freemasons, were among the blacks who fought at Bunker Hill in July of 1775.

"Adult white males" weren't the only ones with something to lose.

Deckard  posted on  2015-10-06   11:47:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Deckard (#32)

Deborah Samson was enlisted by Capt. Ephalet Thorp on May 20, 1782 ...among the blacks who fought at Bunker Hill in July of 1775 ..."

The Bill of Rights (including the second amendment) wasn't ratified until 1791. The following year, Congress passed the Militia Act which defined militia members. That definition did not include women or freed blacks or slaves or children or non-citizens.

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