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War in Ukraine Turns on Russia what happened during total solar eclipse Israel Attacks Iran, Report Says - LIVE Breaking News Coverage Earth is Scorched with Heat Antiwar Activists Chant ‘Death to America’ at Event Featuring Chicago Alderman Vibe Shift A stream that makes the pleasant Rain sound. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In International News See other International News Articles Title: Russian lawmakers give Putin OK to use troops in Syria Source: AP News URL Source: http://apnews.myway.com/article/201 ... -russia-troops-4a92995a14.html Published: Sep 30, 2015 Author: NATALIYA VASILYEVA Post Date: 2015-09-30 14:51:40 by redleghunter Keywords: None Views: 3936 Comments: 31 MOSCOW (AP) — Russian lawmakers voted unanimously Wednesday to let President Vladimir Putin send Russian troops to Syria. The Kremlin sought to play down the decision, saying it will only use its air force there, not ground troops. Putin had to request parliamentary approval for any use of Russian troops abroad, according to the constitution. The last time he did so was before Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in March 2014. The Federation Council, the upper chamber of the Russian parliament, discussed Putin's request for the authorization behind closed doors Wednesday, cutting off its live web broadcast to hold a debate notable for its quickness. Sergei Ivanov, chief of Putin's administration, said in televised remarks after the discussion that the parliament voted unanimously to give the green light to Putin's plea. The proposal does not need to go to another legislative body. Ivanov insisted that Moscow is not going to send ground troops to Syria but will only use its air force "in order to support the government Syrian forces in their fight against the Islamic State" group. Putin and other officials have said Russia was only providing weapons and training to Syrian President Bashar Assad's army to help it combat the Islamic State group. Recent satellites images, however, have shown giant Russian military cargo planes in Syria, and Russian navy transport vessels have been shuttling back and forth for weeks to ferry troops, weapons and supplies to Syria. Putin said in a CBS interview earlier this week that Russia won't take part in any troop operations in Syria. Worried by the threat of Russian and U.S. jets clashing inadvertently over Syrian skies, Washington agreed to talk to Moscow on how to "deconflict" their military actions. Last week, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter had a 50-minute phone call with his Russian counterpart, the first such military-to-military discussion between the two countries in more than a year. Israel has taken similar precautions, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visiting Moscow last week to agree with Putin on a coordination mechanism to avoid any possible confrontation between Israeli and Russian forces in Syria. Click for Full Text! Poster Comment: WWIII begins. Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 25. #6. To: redleghunter (#0) Israel has taken similar precautions, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visiting Moscow last week to agree with Putin on a coordination mechanism to avoid any possible confrontation between Israeli and Russian forces in Syria. I must be out of touch. Israel has troops in Syria??? Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-30   15:34:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #7. To: Fred Mertz (#6) Israel has troops in Syria??? They fly missions there often. They also no doubt have SF units there as well as advisors for certain groups. The only way to get good intelligence is to have people on the ground. redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-30   15:39:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #13. To: redleghunter (#7) Israel has taken similar precautions, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visiting Moscow last week to agree with Putin on a coordination mechanism to avoid any possible confrontation between Israeli and Russian forces in Syria. no doubt Russia demanded free passage through Syria for Hezbollah convoys of missiles. tomder55  posted on  2015-09-30   19:11:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: tomder55 (#13) Israel will have to negotiate with Russia. The Russians, by controlling Syria and Lebanon, and tempering Iraq, Iran, can remove the real threat to Israeli existence. But the Russian presence will reduce Israel's range of freedom of action considerably. Once a Russian peace is imposed on the hinterlands, the issue of Palestine will be resolved with two states. The Israelis won't like it, but there will be peace, because the Russians will not let war on Israel be launched from soil the Russians control, provided the Israelis maintain the peace and do not cross borders and the like. The endgame for peace is visible. Or perhaps Gog and Magog and all of that are coming together for Armageddon right there in the Holy Land. I doubt it, but you never know for sure. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-30   20:12:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #15. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, TooConservative (#14) (Edited) Or perhaps Gog and Magog and all of that are coming together for Armageddon right there in the Holy Land. thinking that's a more likely scenario. Multiple unconfirmed sources are reporting that the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning-CV-16 has gone through the Suez Canal and docked at the Syrian port of Tartus. On the fringe ,France has moved air assets into the region to inflict pin pricks. Russia is not there to attack the Islamic State . They attacked anti-Assad forces today .They are there to prop up the pro-Iranian Assad regime. This axis of evil Iran ,Syria ,Hezbollah dominated Lebanon, with Russian and Chinese assistance will create a Shia dominant hegemon in the region. The threat to Israel is grave . The 12ers in Tehran, with their murderous ,delusional ,apocalyptic regime, have vowed to wipe Israel off the map ;and history shows that lunatics will attempt to keep their word . tomder55  posted on  2015-09-30   20:54:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #16. To: tomder55 (#15) Who ever heard or an Iranian suicide bomber? Russia is there to preserve Assad and gain influence in the region. That means first defeating the US-armed rebels in Syria, then pivoting to destroy ISIS. Russia WILL attack ISIL, and destroy it too, and they will do it because Iraq and Iran are Shiite, and the only thing standing between the Russians and a Shi'ite crescent from Tartus and Lebanon to the Iranian borders with Pakistan and Afghanistan is Anbar and the ISIS Sunni barbarians. It is in Russia's, Syria's, Iraq's, Iran's, Hezbollah's, Israel's and America's interests that ISIS die. And so ISIS will die. Once ISIS has been crushed, and the Sunni population of Anbar substantially decimated, the Russians will resettle and arm the Orthodox, as their protector. Iran's isolation from the world will be broken, and Iranian and Iraqi oil will pour into Russia and China. The House of Saud will have been euchered, and will be limited to the Arabian peninsula, and worried about predominantly Shi'ite Bahrain and the like. Israel will have the peace it always craved, but it will be on Russian terms. The Palestinian state will come to be, and the Israelis will cease crossing the borders into Lebanon-Syria. Russia will emerge as the regional great power, and the Russians will make a lot of money channelling energy to China. Israel will have peace, but be a much diminished military state (because Russian forces will provide the security guarantee). The French will walk a middling position between Russia and America, because it is in French interest to do so. Greece will support Russia, as will other Eastern European places, because the refugee flow will stop...eventually. Once the Russians stabilize the region and the refugee flows stop, the Western Europeans will not side with the Americans if the Americans seek to agitate in the Middle East. Putin has played a masterful game, and it will end up being to the long term benefit of everybody but Syrian rebels and ISIS. They'll be dead. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-30   21:12:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #24. To: Vicomte13, Redleghunter, Too Conservative, Nativist Nationalist, Fred Mertz (#16) Once ISIS has been crushed, and the Sunni population of Anbar substantially decimated, the Russians will resettle and arm the Orthodox, as their protector. Iran's isolation from the world will be broken, and Iranian and Iraqi oil will pour into Russia and China. The House of Saud will have been euchered, and will be limited to the Arabian peninsula, and worried about predominantly Shi'ite Bahrain and the like. Israel will have the peace it always craved, but it will be on Russian terms. The Palestinian state will come to be, and the Israelis will cease crossing the borders into Lebanon-Syria. Russia will emerge as the regional great power, and the Russians will make a lot of money channelling energy to China. Israel will have peace, but be a much diminished military state (because Russian forces will provide the security guarantee). The French will walk a middling position between Russia and America, because it is in French interest to do so. Greece will support Russia, as will other Eastern European places, because the refugee flow will stop...eventually. Once the Russians stabilize the region and the refugee flows stop, the Western Europeans will not side with the Americans if the Americans seek to agitate in the Middle East. Putin has played a masterful game, and it will end up being to the long term benefit of everybody but Syrian rebels and ISIS. They'll be dead. Quite ambitious goals to be accomplished by an air campaign with no forces on the ground ! Vladdy the Conquerer must've forgotten Russian history .He is opening up a 2 front war ;he is forgetting that Khrushchev was ousted because of his bungled misadventures .Maybe he's forgetting the lessons of the Russian campaign in Afghanistan. Maybe he's hoping that Ukraine will be put on hold while he conducts this Syrian adventure. He will tell the Russians that Ukraine is a done deal .But Ukraine is far from settled unless he abandons the position he's taken that the The People’s Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk must return to Ukraine with veto power over national policy. Maybe he can get the Russian people to ignore the growing casulaties of 'volunteers 'resulting from the Russian non-intervention in Donbass . They accidently released the figures in August . http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/paulroderickgregory/2015/08/25/kremlin- censors-rush-to-erase-inadvertent-release-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/ That's probably why he is promising an air operation only in Syria. Wondering how stretched the Russian ground forces are at this time. Maybe he believes that this will rescue his deteriorating economy . I get what he is trying to do . The Duffus in the White House has abandoned American commitments in the region leaving a vacuum to be occupied by someone. He will sell this gambit as Russia the savior with the anticipation that they will welcome Russia into the fold while the emperor continues to marginalize the US position in the world . He tells the Euroweenies that he can stop the flow of refugees (even though the vast majority of them are escaping Assad brutality ). That's the carrot . The stick he holds is the energy supply to Europe . In the scenario you describe the size of that stick grows substantially as he gets a say in where Iran and Iraq oil flows . He will force an unfavorable Minsk 2 deal down Europe's throat ....and they'll like it ! Sanctions will be lifted just in time to rescue him from the negative public response to the failing economy . There is opportunity here for a POTUS with a spine. But I think the emperor will pout over the public spanking he got this week and arrange a few more rounds of golf. He could invoke the Ukraine Freedom Support Act that he signed last year which authorizes him to supply defensive lethal aid to Kiev and slap additional sanctions against Russian defense and energy sectors. He could have a US presence at the Minsk negotiations ;opening up a 3rd round ( a chance for JFKerry to again show his 'brilliant' diplomatic skills). tomder55  posted on  2015-10-01   9:14:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #25. To: tomder55 (#24) the emperor continues to marginalize the US position in the world If that is really Obama's strategy, he's brilliant. The US position in the world needs to be marginalized. We have a continent to develop: our own. The empire is a net drain on us. It may make us feel like big men, but the cost of it will be that we are very little, poor men in our old age. Far better to tend to our own knitting. And if a god-forsaken desert where empire after empire has been broken is full of broken Russian equipment, that is better than bankrupting ourselves. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-10-01   9:43:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 25. #28. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#25) If that is really Obama's strategy, he's brilliant. The US position in the world needs to be marginalized. Yes there are costs for being a great nation . Just so you understand that there are also costs for surrendering the dominant nation position.Another nation ,or group of nations becomes the strong horse . If you are willing to live in a world dominated by nations that are not so freedom loving then good luck with that . tomder55  posted on  2015-10-01 11:46:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #30. To: Vicomte13 (#25) If that is really Obama's strategy, he's brilliant. The US position in the world needs to be marginalized. We have a continent to develop: our own. The empire is a net drain on us. It may make us feel like big men, but the cost of it will be that we are very little, poor men in our old age. Far better to tend to our own knitting. And if a god-forsaken desert where empire after empire has been broken is full of broken Russian equipment, that is better than bankrupting ourselves. "If that is really Obama's strategy, he's brilliant." LOL! It's pretty obvious that Obama and McCain are just clowns. Any good old school imperialist knows that the secret to empire is to make the empire bear the costs of the empire. Thus the British taxpayer did not bear the cost of Britain's military establishments around the IO. That burden fell upon the Indian taxpayer. It was not moral, but it had a logic to it. Clowns like Obama and McCain manage to be both immoral and stupid. They love an imperial presence in a region that holds the greater part of the oil reserves on Earth. But the only way they can finance their schemes is through taxation and debt bondage of the American taxpayer, including the worst tax of all, inflation of currency. Any imperialist worth their salt would have used the oil of the region to finance their hare brained schemes. The illustrates the utterly pathetic nature of America's ruling class. Old school imperialists must be laughing in their graves at these fools. Were Kipling still living he would be inspired to many a line of verse seeing the folly of these fools. Putin must be laughing. Larry, Curly and Moe were funny to watch, stooges like Obama and McCain inspire similar laughter. Once upon a time the nations of the west learned to master the oceans, starting with the Atlantic to outflank the Mohammedans. Outflanking worked where frontal assault failed. Today the same idiots who embark upon Keystone Cops imperialism have forfeited control of the seas to one of their false Gods, free trade. From Malmo to Glasgow, Baltimore to Seattle, the yards that once produced the merchant ships of the west have been shut down, in favor of Korea, Japan and communist China. It is far more of a national interest that America has an American built, owned, flagged and manned merchant marine than it is to ensure that Syria is run in a manner pleasing to the ACLU. The clowns have consumed America's birthright with their "invade the world/invite the world" idiocy. America can be put right by focusing on America. nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-10-01 12:37:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 25. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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