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Title: Russian lawmakers give Putin OK to use troops in Syria
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URL Source: http://apnews.myway.com/article/201 ... -russia-troops-4a92995a14.html
Published: Sep 30, 2015
Author: NATALIYA VASILYEVA
Post Date: 2015-09-30 14:51:40 by redleghunter
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MOSCOW (AP) — Russian lawmakers voted unanimously Wednesday to let President Vladimir Putin send Russian troops to Syria. The Kremlin sought to play down the decision, saying it will only use its air force there, not ground troops. Putin had to request parliamentary approval for any use of Russian troops abroad, according to the constitution. The last time he did so was before Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in March 2014. The Federation Council, the upper chamber of the Russian parliament, discussed Putin's request for the authorization behind closed doors Wednesday, cutting off its live web broadcast to hold a debate notable for its quickness. Sergei Ivanov, chief of Putin's administration, said in televised remarks after the discussion that the parliament voted unanimously to give the green light to Putin's plea. The proposal does not need to go to another legislative body. Ivanov insisted that Moscow is not going to send ground troops to Syria but will only use its air force "in order to support the government Syrian forces in their fight against the Islamic State" group. Putin and other officials have said Russia was only providing weapons and training to Syrian President Bashar Assad's army to help it combat the Islamic State group. Recent satellites images, however, have shown giant Russian military cargo planes in Syria, and Russian navy transport vessels have been shuttling back and forth for weeks to ferry troops, weapons and supplies to Syria. Putin said in a CBS interview earlier this week that Russia won't take part in any troop operations in Syria. Worried by the threat of Russian and U.S. jets clashing inadvertently over Syrian skies, Washington agreed to talk to Moscow on how to "deconflict" their military actions. Last week, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter had a 50-minute phone call with his Russian counterpart, the first such military-to-military discussion between the two countries in more than a year. Israel has taken similar precautions, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visiting Moscow last week to agree with Putin on a coordination mechanism to avoid any possible confrontation between Israeli and Russian forces in Syria. Poster Comment: WWIII begins.
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#1. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, CZ82, liberator, BobCeleste, Don, Justified, Chuck_Wagon (#0)
So how do they 'deconflict' actions when Zero is intent on bombing Assad's forces and Putin is intent on bombing the 'secular' rebels fighting Assad? Well this is what happens: Vladimir Putin defies West as Russia bomb 'Syrian rebel targets instead of Isil' - live updates "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
Well this is what happens: Vladimir Putin defies West as Russia bomb 'Syrian rebel targets instead of Isil' - live updates PING "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
My proposal? The Americans stand aside and let the Russians win. Because the Americans are wrong to be there.
Probably best if we want ISIS defeated. The Russians do not operate under the same ROE conditions as US-NATO. They will carpet bomb, kill everyone (collateral damage and all) and thus ISIL/ISIS will be done in no time. Iraq will embrace this Russian progress and invite them in to take care of business in Iraq. Then Putin will have the gratitude of Syria, Iraq and Iran owes him big time for pawning off that awful nuclear deal. Not bad 'strategery' and it won't take much time either. Somewhere on a golf course Obama sighs relief. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
A good plan, and a humiliation for America's ruling class in the bargain! I like it. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
I must be out of touch. Israel has troops in Syria???
They fly missions there often. They also no doubt have SF units there as well as advisors for certain groups. The only way to get good intelligence is to have people on the ground. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
McCain & Graham's democratic rebels are terrorists. So are Hillary & Kerry's! At least Putin is willing to fight D&R party sponsored global terrorism. Don't forget neither sides is really bombing ISIS. This way they can use it in the media to drum up support to do as they please. Sad day in Amerika when I believe Putin over my own president!
Good 'Tube honddolt! I've seen it before.
Yes, starting with Golan Heights.
What a conventient headline. After the recent debacle of our nine certified Free Syrian Army trained recruits drove across the border with our nice new vehicles and all that ammo and promptly delivered it to al-Nusra (a full al-Qaeda affiliate), we cannot seriously pretend there still is a Free Syrian Army at all. Instead, they are a ruse by al-Nusra to get resupplied by the West. There is no FSA. There is Assad, al-Qaeda (Nusra), and ISIS. Pick one.
no doubt Russia demanded free passage through Syria for Hezbollah convoys of missiles. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Israel will have to negotiate with Russia. The Russians, by controlling Syria and Lebanon, and tempering Iraq, Iran, can remove the real threat to Israeli existence. But the Russian presence will reduce Israel's range of freedom of action considerably. Once a Russian peace is imposed on the hinterlands, the issue of Palestine will be resolved with two states. The Israelis won't like it, but there will be peace, because the Russians will not let war on Israel be launched from soil the Russians control, provided the Israelis maintain the peace and do not cross borders and the like. The endgame for peace is visible. Or perhaps Gog and Magog and all of that are coming together for Armageddon right there in the Holy Land. I doubt it, but you never know for sure.
thinking that's a more likely scenario. Multiple unconfirmed sources are reporting that the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning-CV-16 has gone through the Suez Canal and docked at the Syrian port of Tartus. On the fringe ,France has moved air assets into the region to inflict pin pricks. Russia is not there to attack the Islamic State . They attacked anti-Assad forces today .They are there to prop up the pro-Iranian Assad regime. This axis of evil Iran ,Syria ,Hezbollah dominated Lebanon, with Russian and Chinese assistance will create a Shia dominant hegemon in the region. The threat to Israel is grave . The 12ers in Tehran, with their murderous ,delusional ,apocalyptic regime, have vowed to wipe Israel off the map ;and history shows that lunatics will attempt to keep their word . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Who ever heard or an Iranian suicide bomber? Russia is there to preserve Assad and gain influence in the region. That means first defeating the US-armed rebels in Syria, then pivoting to destroy ISIS. Russia WILL attack ISIL, and destroy it too, and they will do it because Iraq and Iran are Shiite, and the only thing standing between the Russians and a Shi'ite crescent from Tartus and Lebanon to the Iranian borders with Pakistan and Afghanistan is Anbar and the ISIS Sunni barbarians. It is in Russia's, Syria's, Iraq's, Iran's, Hezbollah's, Israel's and America's interests that ISIS die. And so ISIS will die. Once ISIS has been crushed, and the Sunni population of Anbar substantially decimated, the Russians will resettle and arm the Orthodox, as their protector. Iran's isolation from the world will be broken, and Iranian and Iraqi oil will pour into Russia and China. The House of Saud will have been euchered, and will be limited to the Arabian peninsula, and worried about predominantly Shi'ite Bahrain and the like. Israel will have the peace it always craved, but it will be on Russian terms. The Palestinian state will come to be, and the Israelis will cease crossing the borders into Lebanon-Syria. Russia will emerge as the regional great power, and the Russians will make a lot of money channelling energy to China. Israel will have peace, but be a much diminished military state (because Russian forces will provide the security guarantee). The French will walk a middling position between Russia and America, because it is in French interest to do so. Greece will support Russia, as will other Eastern European places, because the refugee flow will stop...eventually. Once the Russians stabilize the region and the refugee flows stop, the Western Europeans will not side with the Americans if the Americans seek to agitate in the Middle East. Putin has played a masterful game, and it will end up being to the long term benefit of everybody but Syrian rebels and ISIS. They'll be dead.
You know, we just had the Super Blood Moon. It's a little too soon to start playing Connect-The-Apocalyptic-Dots again. There is Assad, ISIS, al-Qaeda. The sooner Assad (and Russia) can force this into a fight where no one can pretend otherwise, the better their position. No Western leader can cheer for a victory by al-Qaeda or ISIS. At present, FSA (essentially an al-Nusra front with a criminal element that also works sometimes with ISIS) is a fig leaf of "democratic moderate Muslim freedom fighters" replete the usual fake government-in-exile that we created for propaganda. It's ridiculous propaganda, mostly produced to frame the entire debate over Syria policy on false premises by Dems/GOP, each for their own underhanded political reasons.
The so called IS is the anti Assad forces. Topple Assad and he gets replaced with muslim fanatics.
Is there a "none of the above" category?:) How about the Kurds? "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
They just get Arabs to do the self exploding. But suicide troops were used in the Iran-Iraq war. The Quds were good at getting teen boys and young men to clear minefields with their feet. Not at all efficient. In some cases the youth were loaded with explosives to help in the mine clearing. Ahmadinejad's World The deployment of the Basiji in the mine fields shows what one can expect from the Mullah-Regime · By Matthias Küntzel In pondering the behavior of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, I cannot help but think of the 500,000 plastic keys that Iran imported from Taiwan during the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-88. At the time, an Iranian law laid down that children as young as 12 could be used to clear mine fields, even against the objections of their parents. Before every mission, a small plastic key would be hung around each of the children’s necks. It was supposed to open for them the gates to paradise. “In the past,” wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettela’at, “we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds. They went into the mine fields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone.” Such scenes could henceforth be avoided, Ettela’at assured its readers. “Before entering the mine fields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves.”[1] The children who thus rolled to their deaths formed part of the mass “Basij” movement that was called into being by the Ayatollah Khomeini in 1979. The Basij Mostazafan – the “mobilization of the oppressed” – consisted of short-term volunteer militias. Most of the Basij members were not yet 18. They went enthusiastically and by the thousands to their own destruction. “The young men cleared the mines with their own bodies,” a veteran of the Iran-Iraq War has recalled, “It was sometimes like a race. Even without the commander’s orders, everyone wanted to be first.”[2] More Here "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
Golan Heights. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
How about the Kurds? They are the Good Guys in this fracas. They took in their (pagan) Yazidi kinfolk and a lot of Christian refugees. They are admirable fighters despite being poorly treated by Baghdad and others. I'm not sure what more we could expect from them.
The House of Saud will have been euchered, and will be limited to the Arabian peninsula, and worried about predominantly Shi'ite Bahrain and the like. Israel will have the peace it always craved, but it will be on Russian terms. The Palestinian state will come to be, and the Israelis will cease crossing the borders into Lebanon-Syria. Russia will emerge as the regional great power, and the Russians will make a lot of money channelling energy to China. Israel will have peace, but be a much diminished military state (because Russian forces will provide the security guarantee). The French will walk a middling position between Russia and America, because it is in French interest to do so. Greece will support Russia, as will other Eastern European places, because the refugee flow will stop...eventually. Once the Russians stabilize the region and the refugee flows stop, the Western Europeans will not side with the Americans if the Americans seek to agitate in the Middle East. Putin has played a masterful game, and it will end up being to the long term benefit of everybody but Syrian rebels and ISIS. They'll be dead. Quite ambitious goals to be accomplished by an air campaign with no forces on the ground ! Vladdy the Conquerer must've forgotten Russian history .He is opening up a 2 front war ;he is forgetting that Khrushchev was ousted because of his bungled misadventures .Maybe he's forgetting the lessons of the Russian campaign in Afghanistan. Maybe he's hoping that Ukraine will be put on hold while he conducts this Syrian adventure. He will tell the Russians that Ukraine is a done deal .But Ukraine is far from settled unless he abandons the position he's taken that the The People’s Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk must return to Ukraine with veto power over national policy. Maybe he can get the Russian people to ignore the growing casulaties of 'volunteers 'resulting from the Russian non-intervention in Donbass . They accidently released the figures in August . http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/paulroderickgregory/2015/08/25/kremlin- censors-rush-to-erase-inadvertent-release-of-russian-casualties-in-east-ukraine/ That's probably why he is promising an air operation only in Syria. Wondering how stretched the Russian ground forces are at this time. Maybe he believes that this will rescue his deteriorating economy . I get what he is trying to do . The Duffus in the White House has abandoned American commitments in the region leaving a vacuum to be occupied by someone. He will sell this gambit as Russia the savior with the anticipation that they will welcome Russia into the fold while the emperor continues to marginalize the US position in the world . He tells the Euroweenies that he can stop the flow of refugees (even though the vast majority of them are escaping Assad brutality ). That's the carrot . The stick he holds is the energy supply to Europe . In the scenario you describe the size of that stick grows substantially as he gets a say in where Iran and Iraq oil flows . He will force an unfavorable Minsk 2 deal down Europe's throat ....and they'll like it ! Sanctions will be lifted just in time to rescue him from the negative public response to the failing economy . There is opportunity here for a POTUS with a spine. But I think the emperor will pout over the public spanking he got this week and arrange a few more rounds of golf. He could invoke the Ukraine Freedom Support Act that he signed last year which authorizes him to supply defensive lethal aid to Kiev and slap additional sanctions against Russian defense and energy sectors. He could have a US presence at the Minsk negotiations ;opening up a 3rd round ( a chance for JFKerry to again show his 'brilliant' diplomatic skills). Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
If that is really Obama's strategy, he's brilliant. The US position in the world needs to be marginalized. We have a continent to develop: our own. The empire is a net drain on us. It may make us feel like big men, but the cost of it will be that we are very little, poor men in our old age. Far better to tend to our own knitting. And if a god-forsaken desert where empire after empire has been broken is full of broken Russian equipment, that is better than bankrupting ourselves.
Interesting and the clarity is good. Good enough to see the Russians used both High Explosive (HE) bombs and at the beginning of the video also used cluster munitions. So I guess the 'holy ground' Pericles and A Pole stand on railing against Ukraine use of cluster munitions must give way for the Russian use of cluster munitions. And don't ask me how I know....I know because this is an area I know quite well. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
The House of Saud will have been euchered, and will be limited to the Arabian peninsula, and worried about predominantly Shi'ite Bahrain and the like. Israel will have the peace it always craved, but it will be on Russian terms. The Palestinian state will come to be, and the Israelis will cease crossing the borders into Lebanon-Syria. Russia will emerge as the regional great power, and the Russians will make a lot of money channelling energy to China. Israel will have peace, but be a much diminished military state (because Russian forces will provide the security guarantee). The French will walk a middling position between Russia and America, because it is in French interest to do so. Greece will support Russia, as will other Eastern European places, because the refugee flow will stop...eventually. Once the Russians stabilize the region and the refugee flows stop, the Western Europeans will not side with the Americans if the Americans seek to agitate in the Middle East. Putin has played a masterful game, and it will end up being to the long term benefit of everybody but Syrian rebels and ISIS. They'll be dead. Hey you better copyright the stuff above Vic. Before Tim LaHaye gets a hold of it and updates his books:) LOL. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
The US position in the world needs to be marginalized. Yes there are costs for being a great nation . Just so you understand that there are also costs for surrendering the dominant nation position.Another nation ,or group of nations becomes the strong horse . If you are willing to live in a world dominated by nations that are not so freedom loving then good luck with that . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
You know, just by writing it and publishing it, it's already copyrighted. But if Tim LaHaye (who dat?) wants to read the future newspapers and write about it, hey that's good. I'm merely reporting what happened next March. (Dang, there's that future past against.)
The US position in the world needs to be marginalized. We have a continent to develop: our own. The empire is a net drain on us. It may make us feel like big men, but the cost of it will be that we are very little, poor men in our old age. Far better to tend to our own knitting. And if a god-forsaken desert where empire after empire has been broken is full of broken Russian equipment, that is better than bankrupting ourselves. "If that is really Obama's strategy, he's brilliant." LOL! It's pretty obvious that Obama and McCain are just clowns. Any good old school imperialist knows that the secret to empire is to make the empire bear the costs of the empire. Thus the British taxpayer did not bear the cost of Britain's military establishments around the IO. That burden fell upon the Indian taxpayer. It was not moral, but it had a logic to it. Clowns like Obama and McCain manage to be both immoral and stupid. They love an imperial presence in a region that holds the greater part of the oil reserves on Earth. But the only way they can finance their schemes is through taxation and debt bondage of the American taxpayer, including the worst tax of all, inflation of currency. Any imperialist worth their salt would have used the oil of the region to finance their hare brained schemes. The illustrates the utterly pathetic nature of America's ruling class. Old school imperialists must be laughing in their graves at these fools. Were Kipling still living he would be inspired to many a line of verse seeing the folly of these fools. Putin must be laughing. Larry, Curly and Moe were funny to watch, stooges like Obama and McCain inspire similar laughter. Once upon a time the nations of the west learned to master the oceans, starting with the Atlantic to outflank the Mohammedans. Outflanking worked where frontal assault failed. Today the same idiots who embark upon Keystone Cops imperialism have forfeited control of the seas to one of their false Gods, free trade. From Malmo to Glasgow, Baltimore to Seattle, the yards that once produced the merchant ships of the west have been shut down, in favor of Korea, Japan and communist China. It is far more of a national interest that America has an American built, owned, flagged and manned merchant marine than it is to ensure that Syria is run in a manner pleasing to the ACLU. The clowns have consumed America's birthright with their "invade the world/invite the world" idiocy. America can be put right by focusing on America. Non auro, sed ferro, recuperando est patria
And don't ask me how I know....I know because this is an area I know quite well. Their clusters don't look like our clusters not near as many bomblets... Also wonder if theirs can even penetrate the top of armored vehicles?? Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Worried by the threat of Russian and U.S. jets clashing inadvertently over Syrian skies, Washington agreed to talk to Moscow on how to "deconflict" their military actions. Last week, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter had a 50-minute phone call with his Russian counterpart, the first such military-to-military discussion between the two countries in more than a year.
#2. To: tomder55 (#1)
Worried by the threat of Russian and U.S. jets clashing inadvertently over Syrian skies, Washington agreed to talk to Moscow on how to "deconflict" their military actions. Last week, U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter had a 50-minute phone call with his Russian counterpart, the first such military-to-military discussion between the two countries in more than a year. So how do they 'deconflict' actions when Zero is intent on bombing Assad's forces and Putin is intent on bombing the 'secular' rebels fighting Assad?
#3. To: redleghunter (#1)
So how do they 'deconflict' actions when Zero is intent on bombing Assad's forces and Putin is intent on bombing the 'secular' rebels fighting Assad?
#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
My proposal? The Americans stand aside and let the Russians win. Because the Americans are wrong to be there.
#5. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
My proposal? The Americans stand aside and let the Russians win. Because the Americans are wrong to be there.
#6. To: redleghunter (#0)
Israel has taken similar precautions, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visiting Moscow last week to agree with Putin on a coordination mechanism to avoid any possible confrontation between Israeli and Russian forces in Syria.
#7. To: Fred Mertz (#6)
Israel has troops in Syria???
#8. To: redleghunter, fundem and fightem, military industrial complex (#2)
Putin defies West as Russia bomb 'Syrian rebel targets instead of Isil' -
D&R Syrian Rebels = ISIL 
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#9. To: redleghunter (#1)
So how do they 'deconflict' actions when Zero is intent on bombing Assad's forces and Putin is intent on bombing the 'secular' rebels fighting Assad?
#10. To: hondo68 (#8)
#11. To: Fred Mertz (#6)
Israel has troops in Syria???
#12. To: redleghunter, tomder55, Pericles, Vicomte13 (#1)
Vladimir Putin defies West as Russia bomb 'Syrian rebel targets instead of Isil' - live updates
#13. To: redleghunter (#7)
Israel has taken similar precautions, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visiting Moscow last week to agree with Putin on a coordination mechanism to avoid any possible confrontation between Israeli and Russian forces in Syria.
#14. To: tomder55 (#13)
#15. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter, TooConservative (#14)
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Or perhaps Gog and Magog and all of that are coming together for Armageddon right there in the Holy Land.
#16. To: tomder55 (#15)
#17. To: tomder55, redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#15)
Russia is not there to attack the Islamic State . They attacked anti-Assad forces today .They are there to prop up the pro-Iranian Assad regime.
#18. To: tomder55 (#15)
Russia is not there to attack the Islamic State . They attacked anti-Assad forces today
#19. To: TooConservative (#12)
#20. To: redleghunter, tooconservative (#19)
#21. To: Vicomte13, tomder55 (#16)
Who ever heard or an Iranian suicide bomber?
#22. To: Fred Mertz (#6)
Israel has troops in Syria???
#23. To: redleghunter (#19)
Is there a "none of the above" category?:)
#24. To: Vicomte13, Redleghunter, Too Conservative, Nativist Nationalist, Fred Mertz (#16)
Once ISIS has been crushed, and the Sunni population of Anbar substantially decimated, the Russians will resettle and arm the Orthodox, as their protector. Iran's isolation from the world will be broken, and Iranian and Iraqi oil will pour into Russia and China.
#25. To: tomder55 (#24)
the emperor continues to marginalize the US position in the world
#26. To: A K A Stone, TooConservative, A Pole, CZ82, liberator, Pericles, tomder55, GarySpFc (#20)
#27. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#16)
Once ISIS has been crushed, and the Sunni population of Anbar substantially decimated, the Russians will resettle and arm the Orthodox, as their protector. Iran's isolation from the world will be broken, and Iranian and Iraqi oil will pour into Russia and China.
#28. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#25)
If that is really Obama's strategy, he's brilliant.
#29. To: redleghunter (#27)
Hey you better copyright the stuff above Vic. Before Tim LaHaye gets a hold of it and updates his books:) LOL.
#30. To: Vicomte13 (#25)
If that is really Obama's strategy, he's brilliant.
#31. To: redleghunter (#26)
must give way for the Russian use of cluster munitions
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