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Title: Trump Proposes Replacing Obamacare with Government-Funded Universal Healthcare (DonaldCare socialized medicine)
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Truth In Media
URL Source: http://truthinmedia.com/trump-obama ... vernment-universal-healthcare/
Published: Sep 28, 2015
Author: Barry Donegan
Post Date: 2015-09-28 19:47:20 by Hondo68
Keywords: Mitt Romney Care, Bernie Sanders Care, Donald Trump Care
Views: 2494
Comments: 29
On Sunday’s episode of 60 Minutes on CBS, Donald Trump said that “Obamacare is a disaster” and that he plans to repeal it and replace it with a government-funded universal healthcare plan. During the lengthy interview, CBS correspondent Scott Pelley asked billionaire real estate mogul and 2016 Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump his position on healthcare reform. “Obamacare’s going to be repealed and replaced. Obamacare is a disaster if you look at what’s going on with premiums where they’re up 40, 50, 55 percent,” replied Trump. Pelley then pressed him to offer his own specific plan for fixing the U.S. healthcare system. Trump began explaining, “There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, ‘No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private.’ But…” Pelley then interrupted, noting that Trump was describing a universal healthcare plan. Trump continued, “I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken care of now.” The real estate billionaire then explained that he “would make a deal with existing hospitals to take care” of uninsured Americans. When Pelley asked him to clarify who would pay for the plan, Trump replied, “The government’s gonna pay for it. But we’re going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it’s going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.” Poster Comment: From RomneyCare to ObamaCare, to DonaldCare! To paraphrase Reagan... if you've seen one socialized medicine scheme, you've seem 'em all. Donald Trump said on 60 Minutes last Sunday that he would, as president, work to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a government-funded universal healthcare program.
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#1. To: hondo68 (#0)
Single payer would be the best way, but that isn't what Donadl said. For most people there will be competitive insurance markets. For the people who can't pay, the government will pay. Everybody will be covered. I'd prefer single payer - it will be much cheaper in the long term. But Donald's suggestion is better than what we've got, or what we've had.
So this article is from a web site called truthinmedia.com, huh? They need to change their domain name. Trump said, "But for the most it’s going to be a PRIVATE PLAN and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.” Now, for those unable to afford health insurance there would be a federal safety net, but that would be basic coverage. Something he would negotiate with the hospitals. For all I know, that could simply mean he's going to continue Medicaid.
Code for Gruber death panels. It's cheaper to just kill the patent. Romney, Obama, Trump, HillaryCare... no difference. You were more accurate than this article.
I am against it, but since we will never get rid of medicare, medicaid etc we may as well go all in. Free equal healthcare for everyone, including all the elected officials, and make it illegal to pay cash for anyone. Lets all suffer equally. Let the rich go overseas for health care, we will stay healthy until we die back here.......
http://www.theburningplatform.com/2015/09/28/trump-on-60-minutes/ And do you know WHERE the rich from all over the world go when they need top end health care? They go to Paris. France, which has single payer health insurance, where doctors are educated for free by the government and have no student debt, where a quarter of the doctors work directly for the government in government hospitals, where the major research institutions are all institutions of the government (such as the Institut Pasteur), where their survival rate is the same as the US and their research rivals the US, and where their medical malpractice system does not result in premia that devour a third of doctors' salaries. Yes, France, the land of comprehensive socialized medical insurance, and education, and hospitals, and where everybody is insured pre-natal to grave, by single-payer government health insurance, paid for by direct taxes. Why would the rich leave HERE to go THERE? Well, same results, and far lower costs, I suppose. The rich everywhere else in the world go to Paris because it's the top end of health care, but costs about 55% of what it costs in the USA - so why go deal with the hassle of some big urban hospital in America when you can recuperate in Paris? If there were a deregulated capitalist paradise offering comparable medicine to the United States, it would make the perfect bow to tie onto the anti-government health care argument. Trouble is, the best health care system in the world is the socialist health care system of France: top research, results as good as America, 55% of the cost. I have never advocated anything other than giving America the French health care system. To do that would actually only require three straightforward changes: (1) End Medicaid. Everybody in the country, cradle to grave, would be on Medicare - like old people are now. 20% co-pay covered by private insurance who can afford it, and the government for those who can't. (2) Government pays for medical school. (3) Tort reform. Do that, and you have the French system. The medical tax will be about 10% of income.
Uhhhhh,yeah. Everybody is going to have what they want,and it's not going to cost anybody anything. And people still take this buffoon seriously? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Wrong. Most either come to the US,or go to Germany. Gorbachev went to West Germany for his heart operation. He obviously couldn't have came to the US for it due to political reasons. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
And the French wealth tax. Which is on top of the French income tax, the French corprate tax, and the French VAT. Gotta pay for that "free" French health care, doncha know.
Well, make up your mind. You post an article saying Trump is proposing universal health care then you say he's going to kill people.
Russians think that the Germans are the cat's meow. (Except when they don't.)
It's not free at all. And nobody pretends it is. What it is, is GOOD, and UNIVERSAL, and 45% cheaper than American. As good for half the price means BETTER.
You're on the verge of understanding the full extent of your proposed DonaldCare "health" coverage. If any of your organs can be auctioned off, you may be able to provide a positive cash flow for the DonaldCare system. Trust The Donald to negotiate the best deal possible. I don't particulary like Trump. I don't think he's trustworthy. I don't believe he is adaquately prepared for the persidency. He spends too much time speculating about angles he should have thought about years ago to buy votes without considering the full long term consequences. The above concoction is an example. Having said that, I support him because he may instigate a much needed revolution in this country which he will not be in control of. What frightens me is, given the mentality developed in this country over the last 70 years, the revolution may be a disaster instead of a housecleaning. There is insufficient adult mentality and integrity to lead it. We may end up dead in the water with a multitude of immature angry voices arising to squander what little remains of this once great country.
He might inspire a revolution by helping to get Hillary, Biden, or Rubio elected, but he'll never be president, IMO. He's a spoiler. - - - - - Healthcare in France (5m:43s) - - - - - Healthcare in Germany (7m:26s) - - - - - Healthcare in the England (6m:11s) - - - - - Healthcare in Canada (7m:24s) - - - - - Healthcare in the United States (7m:35s) - - - - - Is Obamacare Working? The Affordable Care Act Five Years Later (7m:28s) - - - - -
You sold me, the battle is not worth fighting any longer. We have MUCH bigger fish to catch, gut and fry. The continuous state of war, the NSA spying and collecting info on everybody. Fiat currency, out of control government, near total power concentrated in the Executive Branch, with a close second of the USSC, and total govt debt both future and current of 100+ Trillions of dollars. Add on top of that the current Drudgereport headline of "TOP $400 Billionaires" Something is extremely wrong when so much wealth is concentrated in so few hands. Something like the top 1% worldwide are worth more than the rest of the 99% combined. I hate communism, but rule by the elite is just as bad. My $.02 worth....sorry..
Sounds like you're describing a Constitutional Convention. Yet many conservatives want one.
Seems to me the 99% ought to get off their lazy ass and get to work. Any reason you know of why they can't join the 1%? But maybe you think the best way to correct this disparity is to take money from the 1% and give it to the 99%? That'll work ... until that money is pissed away and squandered. Now what?
Behind every great fortune is a great crime. You get to be top 20% through hard work. You do not get to be in the top 1% without massive favoritism in the tax law, or other forms of corruption, legal or otherwise. The top 10% have accumulated 85% of the nation's wealth, and that accumulation continues. Even if all of that accumulation were completely fair (it wasn't) and aboveboard (it wasn't) and legal (most of it was), it is still simply TOO MUCH - it does not leave enough for everybody else to live decent lives. Therefore, redistribution is necessary. Just taking money and giving it is not the right way. But universal health care? Yes, that IS the right way. No man chooses to get multiple sclerosis or cerebral palsy. These things strike randomly, and only the top 1% can afford them. We're not going to just let people die. Ergo: the necessity of wealth redistribution. Same thing for education, food, basic housing.
We'll just consider it punishment for their crimes. Right? No need for courts and the constitution. We know they're guilty of some crime. You can't get that rich just by hard work.
Misterwhite: --- Seems to me the 99% ought to get off their lazy ass and get to work. Any reason you know of why they can't join the 1%? But maybe you think the best way to correct this disparity is to take money from the 1% and give it to the 99%? That'll work ... until that money is pissed away and squandered. Now what? "I believe the rights of the individual need to be tempered with the overall good of society in mind." -- Misterwhite Source: www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/907467/posts?page=48
Fine. Then piss on the 80% who refuse to work hard and would rather have the top 1% "redistribute" their wealth to them.
The few will pay for the many regardless of what they call the Health Care scheme.
Psalm 37
You have said it. You cannot get to the top 1% and stay there just through hard work. Favoritism in the tax code, in the regulatory code, in the awarding of government contracts: some combination of these things is required to get into the top 1%. And it would not matter even if the 1% were all saints. An 85% and rising concentration of wealth in a few, and fewer and fewer, hands is too much. It beggars the rest of the country, causing their standards of living to fall. We are not simply a meritocracy, where the most brilliant and hardest working get to be philosopher kings and rule all others. Even if the super rich were saints (they're not) and didn't acquire their wealth through legal favoritism (they did), we would have to redistribute a substantial amount of wealth to prevent mass misery. The company that wins the game of "monopoly" in a given sector has to be broken up, because the effects of monopoly are too destructive of the public good. When the monopoly is the increasing concentration of the nation's wealth itself in too few hands, there must be a partial divestiture to allow the society to prosper as a whole. I do not speak of a Jacobin destruction of the rich, merely a clipping of their wings through needful redistribution. And the places that are most needy are health care, education and middle and working class pensions.
"Let them eat cake." (spuriously) attributed to Marie Antoinette. It did not work out so well for her. You can peacefully redistribute, or you can have it done by violence. Either way, you will do it. Peace is better.
Do you read what you post? Do you believe what you post? Really? Taking money from some and giving it to others. You think that's constitutional? Hell, is that even American? I believe in government for the general welfare of it's citizens, but not specific welfare for some. "Peace is better." Sure. But that peace will last only as long as the money holds out. Do you actually believe the wealthy are going to hang around and allow the government to confiscate their wealth and give it to others who are too lazy to earn it? There was a study done to find out how much money the government would take in if we imposed a 100% tax on the rich. The CBO worked up the number, and even projected revenue for the second and third year. Like you, they assumed people would continue doing what they were doing, even if the government took everything. Time to get real, amigo.
Ah. Now I get it. You believe the pie is only so big and "the rich" are grabbing too big a piece, leaving everyone else with just crumbs. I don't know where you get that idea, but you're wrong. There's nothing stopping you or me or anyone else from joining the ranks of "the rich". Is there? I asked you before and you didn't answer. "we would have to redistribute a substantial amount of wealth to prevent mass misery." WTF do you call the top 10% paying 80% of all taxes? The bottom 50% paying NOTHING? I know what you call it ... not enough. You want more, more, more to accommodate some people doing les, less, less. Your definition of equality is everyone being equally miserable.
#2. To: hondo68 (#0)
#3. To: misterwhite, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#2)
Something he would negotiate with the hospitals
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#4. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
#5. To: hondo68 (#0)
#6. To: jeremiad, 60 Minutes interview (#5)
(Edited)
Trump 60 Minutes interview...
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#7. To: jeremiad (#5)
Let the rich go overseas for health care,
#8. To: hondo68 (#0)
(Edited)
But for the most it’s going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.”
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
And do you know WHERE the rich from all over the world go when they need top end health care? They go to Paris.
#10. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
"I have never advocated anything other than giving America the French health care system."
#11. To: hondo68 (#3)
"Code for Gruber death panels."
#12. To: sneakypete (#9)
#13. To: misterwhite (#10)
Gotta pay for that "free" French health care, doncha know.
#14. To: misterwhite, death panel auctions (#11)
Trump is proposing universal health care then you say he's going to kill people.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#15. To: hondo68 (#0)
(Edited)
Donald Trump said on 60 Minutes last Sunday that he would, as president, work to repeal Obamacare and replace it with a government-funded universal healthcare program.
#16. To: rlk (#15)
I support him because he may instigate a much needed revolution in this country which he will not be in control of.
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#17. To: hondo68 (#0)
#18. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
#19. To: rlk (#15)
"There is insufficient adult mentality and integrity to lead it. We may end up dead in the water with a multitude of immature angry voices arising to squander what little remains of this once great country."
#20. To: jeremiad (#18)
"Something like the top 1% worldwide are worth more than the rest of the 99% combined."
#21. To: misterwhite, jeremiad (#20)
But maybe you think the best way to correct this disparity is to take money from the 1% and give it to the 99%?
#22. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
"Ergo: the necessity of wealth redistribution."
#23. To: misterwhite, jeremiad, Y'ALL (#20)
jeremiad: ---- "Something like the top 1% worldwide are worth more than the rest of the 99% combined."
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#21)
"You get to be top 20% through hard work."
#25. To: hondo68 (#0)
#26. To: misterwhite (#22)
You can't get that rich just by hard work.
#27. To: misterwhite (#24)
Fine. Then piss on the 80% who refuse to work hard and would rather have the top 1% "redistribute" their wealth to them.
#28. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
"You can peacefully redistribute, or you can have it done by violence."
#29. To: Vicomte13 (#26)
"An 85% and rising concentration of wealth in a few, and fewer and fewer, hands is too much. It beggars the rest of the country, causing their standards of living to fall."
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