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Title: Rebuilding a Conservative Movement I
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Published: Sep 25, 2015
Author: Daniel Greenfield
Post Date: 2015-09-27 19:03:36 by Rufus T Firefly
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The trouble with the donor class, by and large, is that it is resistant to change because it doesn't want to change. The Democratic and Republican donor classes donate for their business interests, but the Democratic donor class has a radical edge. Groups like the Democracy Alliance want a fundamental transformation of the country. And they understand how they can make money off that. There are too many Republican single issue donors who are fairly liberal on everything outside that issue. And there are too many big business interests and financial folks who live in major cities and only differ from liberals in their economic policy. The trouble with fiscally conservative and socially liberal is that the left is not a buffet. You don't get to pick a combo identity. Fiscally liberal follows socially liberal as day follows night. All those single people, their babies need assorted government benefits. No amount of lectures on "liberty" will change that. Austrian economics is never going to displace food stamps for the socially insecure. A lot of the Republican donor class would like to have its cake and eat it too. It wants the fun of a liberal society without having to pay the bill. It wants cheap Third World labor without wanting to cover their health care, the school taxes and all the other social welfare goodies. But it doesn't work that way. There's no free ride. Yes, they can move to a township where the property taxes are killer, and dump their pool guy and tree trimmer and maid in some city to live in housing projects at the expense of that city's shrinking middle class and working class. And it can work for a while, until all those cheap laborers get community organized and the organizers take over the city. And then the state. And then there are housing projects in the township, everyone is plugged into the same statewide school tax scheme and the left runs everything and taxes everything. The wealthier members of the donor class can outrun this process longer. Or just live with it while funding groups that promote "Liberty", the way the Koch Brothers do, but the bill always comes due. You can't outrun the political implications of poverty in a democracy. And you can't stop those political trends without addressing the social failures that cause them. A socially liberal society will become politically and economically liberal. Importing Third World labor also imports Third World politics, which veer between Marxism and Fascism all the way to the Islamic Jihad. Everything is connected. You can't choose one without the other. We're not going to have some libertarian utopia in which everyone gets high and lives in communes, but doesn't bother with regulations and taxes. The closest thing you can find to that is Africa. Nor are we going to be able to import tens of millions of people from countries where working class politics is Marxist without mainstreaming Marxism as a political solution in major cities across America. People are not divisible that way. Human society is not a machine you can break down. The left has fundamentally changed America. Much of the donor class hesitates to recognize this or prefers to believe that it can isolate the bad changes from the good changes. It doesn't work that way. Getting the kind of fiscal conservatism that a lot of the donor class wants requires making fundamental changes to the country. You can't just tinker with economic regulations in a country where schoolchildren are taught to demand taxes on plastic bags to save the planet or where a sizable portion of the population is dependent on the government. Those tactics can rack up ALEC victories while losing the war. Fiscal conservatism requires a self-reliant population that believes in the value of honesty and hard work. Those are not compatible with social liberalism or casual Marxism. Individually, yes. It's possible to make money while being a leftist. But spread across a large population with different classes and races, those individual quirks will not be replicated. And you can't create that population with slogans. You have to be able to shape national values, not just economic policy. That's the hard truth. There are no single issue solutions. At best there are single issue stopgaps. But the left is not a single issue organization. It has narrowed down most of its disagreements and combined its deck of agendas. Its coalition supports a large range of programs from across the deck. It's still possible to be a pro-abortion Republican, but the political representation of pro-life Democrats is disappearing. You can be a Republican who supports the Muslim Brotherhood, but a Democrat who says anything too critical about Islam has a limited future in his party at any national level. The same is true across the spectrum. Kim Davis is a Democrat. How much of a future do Democrats opposed to gay marriage have? Meanwhile it's possible to be a pro-gay marriage Republican. The Republican "big tent" is more a symptom of ideological disarray, as we've seen in this primary season, by a party that doesn't really know what it believes, than of tolerance. But the left has taken over the Democratic Party and made its agendas into the only acceptable ones. There are still some national Democrats hedging weakly on gun control and environmentalism, but they're going to be purged. Their party will abandon them and Republicans will squeeze them out. A lot of the donor class is really seeking an accommodation with the left. The election was warped when the Koch brothers decided to find common ground with the ACLU on freeing drug dealers. They dragged some good candidates in with them and down with them destroying their credibility on key issues. You can't have an accommodation with the left. The left isn't seeking a compromise. It wants it all. The left has to be fought all the way or surrendered to all the way. There's no middle ground here regardless of what philosophical objections are introduced, because that is what the left is doing. It's easily observable just in Obama's two terms. The left has defined the terms of battle. And its terms are total control over everything. You can't be pro-life and pro-Obama. You can't be pro-business and pro-Obama. You can't be pro-Israel and pro-Obama. You can't be fiscally conservative and pro-Obama. You can't be socially conservative and pro-Obama. You can't be anything less than full leftist and pro-Obama. The left has to be fought totally or not at all. Single issues can be important and it's good for people to pick one or two things to focus on, but that has to come with the understanding that there can be no accommodation with it in any other area. An organization fighting gun control is doing important work, but its backers should never fall under the illusion that the 2nd amendment can be maintained if the left wins on all the other fronts. As Benjamin Franklin said, "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately". The quote is true today in all its implications as it was then. We must have a conservative movement that is united in a common front or we will be dragged down one by one. There will be no conservative issue islands left to stand on if the red tide comes in. The final point is that it is not enough to resist. That's just delaying the inevitable. Even the strongest resistance can be worn away with time. If the left can't win directly, it focuses on the next generation. If cultural barriers are in the way, it goes for population resettlement, as it's doing in parts of this country and Europe. There is no such thing as an impregnable issue island. Winning means pushing forward. Winning means advocating for change, not just fighting to keep what we have. Winning means thinking about the sort of free society that we want. Winning means having a vision to build, not just resist. Winning means advancing forward. To do that, we have to accept that fundamental change is necessary. Right now we're fighting a losing battle. We're trying to keep the tide out, when we must become the tide. Poster Comment: Money quote: You can't be pro-life and pro-Obama. You can't be pro-business and pro-Obama. You can't be pro-Israel and pro-Obama. You can't be fiscally conservative and pro-Obama. You can't be socially conservative and pro-Obama. You can't be anything less than full leftist and pro-Obama. The left has to be fought totally or not at all.
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#160. To: redleghunter (#158)
Let me put it differently. It pleases God to let people made in His Image to participate freely in His work. I would not say He "uses" them, but that He invites them to cooperate as His beloved children so they can leave traces of their own handiwork. He is not a "user" but the Father.
That is full blown heresy. Jesus Christ was and is fully God from eternity, and both fully God and fully man from the Incarnation into eternity. His statements are all equally authoritative. Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
True, and in John 17 Jesus used the term Holy Father as a title for God. Obviously, Roman Catholics are blaspheming, when they use that title for the pope. Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
If you believe that, then shun me and cease speaking with me.
If you believe that, then shun me and cease speaking with me. Most of my friends if not all, follow some heresy. I would have to become a hermit :)
Well if you Europeans had stepped on Hitler's dick back in the mid 30s then you wouldn't have needed all those war supplies/troops we furnished during the war... BTA all the religious and ethnic squabbling over there wouldn't allow that would it??? I think he would rather we stayed out of it cause he thinks the Soviets would have defeated Germany all by itself and would be sucking the entire continent dry today instead of just parts of it. He's also forgetting Japan was on their back door itching for a fight (that we gave them) it could have won. The only thing the Soviets knew how to sail back in them days was a bathtub and probably a stolen/liberated one at that. (I wonder if their hygiene is still atrocious)??? Russia would have been in a 2 front war it couldn't have won and would be speaking "Germanese" these days!!! Europeans had peculiar weakness. They were not able to read the future. The main threat was Bolshevism and Fascists looked like a good counter force. Assad is the key evil in American eyes, so support to Islamists looks like a cool idea.
He is not a "user" but the Father. Yes your language, the way you describe it above is more accurate IMO. But I would add that what 'handiwork' one may do should Glorify God...Meaning God gets the Glory even for our own good actions. "For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly."---Romans 5:6
Yes,it is true. The Bonus Marchers were in the 20's ,and the truth on that matter is there were no riots. What there was,was panic that started when the WH ordered them chased out of their campgrounds in the park,and ordered the army to move them out using mounted cavalry. Who isn't going to scream and run when facing the danger of getting trampled by a horse? ..also the end of the depression was not assured yet. The depression in the US ended when European and Asian nations went to war against one another,and we started selling them everything they needed from trucks to arms,to butter. WW-2 was what got us out of the depression,not King Franklin. All he accomplished his schemes was to make it last longer. WW-2 bailed him out and prevented him from being identified as the worst president in US history. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Doesn't he still deny that the USSR and Nazi Germany were allies right up to the instant the Nazi's invaded the USSR? He's also forgetting Japan was on their back door itching for a fight (that we gave them) it could have won. Japan has already whipped them in 1905. The only reason they didn't end up occupying and controlling Russia was because it is so damn big and they just didn't have the population to do it. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Or Mein Kampf... Where he laid out for everyone to see just what he was going to do... Or Mein Kampf... Many Americans loved him.
Tens of thousands of them, certainly. Over 11,000 ethnic Germans spent the war in internment camps, some confined as late as 1948. In addition, we demanded the extradition of thousands of Germans we considered suspicious from South America and put them in the same camps. The Japanese were interred in much larger numbers, about ten times as many. It didn't help their case that so many were in California or Hawaii or that it was suspected that enemy agents had aided in the attacks on Pearl Harbor, being embedded with the native Japanese in Hawaii.
Tens of thousands of them, certainly. You are joking?
No. My post was factual, not controversial. It is still true that Hitler's biggest fans in America (and South America) spent WW II in internment camps, just as the Japanese Americans did.
The comparison was with Europe before the war.
That's your church, not mine. Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
That's your church, not mine. Most of my friends are not from the church. What is your church?
The church of Christ.
Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
Grace in the Church Romans 5:18–21 Grace Triumphs Over Sin The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. [Rom. 5:20–21] This is a difficult passage because it sounds as if Paul is saying that God gave the Mosaic law to make sin greater. Paul explains in other places that the law had many purposes, but his point here is that one effect of giving the law was to show that sin is sin. Of itself, law doesn’t create sin. Rather, the evil disposition of our hearts creates sin. The role of the law is to define, condemn, expose, and reveal sin for what it is. Moreover, there is a sense in which the law’s very presence incites us to sin. Now, it does not incite righteous creatures to sin, but it does incite ungodly creatures to sin. One of the ways to provoke me to sin is to tell me there is something I’m not allowed to do. My rebellious nature, fueled by an evil disposition, motivates me to greater sin simply because the law prescribes certain boundaries and limitations. But, says Paul, where sin abounds grace abounds much more. As we see sin growing and flourishing, we might despair. Paul tells us, though, that grace is growing also. Notice that Paul does not say that sin is abounding and so is grace, so that it is balanced off. No, Paul says that grace abounds much more—not just more, but much more. There is a greater measure of grace in this world than there is of sin. Common grace and saving grace work together to suppress human evil and tendencies to sin. Think about that for a minute; if you think it’s bad now, imagine what it would be like if God were to remove the restraint of grace. We simply have no conception of the capacity for evil that dwells in the human heart. But God does, and that is why he has caused grace to abound. Coram Deo We could easily become discouraged. From our vantage point sin seems to dominate. The more mature we grow in the faith the more fully we comprehend the complexity of sin and evil in the world. We literally perceive more sin. Thank God that our spiritual maturity also enables us to see grace abounding all the more in those circumstances. Ask God to show you the “much more” of his grace, beginning in your own life. For further study: Galatians 3:19–29; Colossians 1:28–29; 2:6–7; James 4:1–6 Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
The Church of Christ? These Congregationalists tend to be liberal these days. Isn't that so?
The Church of Christ? These Congregationalists tend to be liberal these days. Isn't that so? Hardly! I suspect you have the liberal United Church of Christ in mind. Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
Hardly! So which is your church?
I don't see how anyone with reasonable means and assets can afford not to purchase this insurance to hedge the bet. We purchased our individual policies over a year ago when we were both 70. It initially covered $200/day for each of us with a 5% p.a. escalation for three years of coverage at a cost of about $325/month each. If either of us need it within the next 15 years it would more than pay for itself while preserving our savings, investments and assets for other things or to leave to our duaghter and grandkids. Another alternative can be term life insurance that can be used to pay medical care bills when a person is diagnosed with a terminal illness. We upped our coverage by adding a couple hundred thousand on 15 year term life last year as well. This costs us about $250 month total but it serves a dual purpose of life insurance and possible medical care insurance. Worth looking into especially for those currently in good health, even if they are over 60 years old. "Some elderly are using those reverse mortgages to drum up income for long term care." In general this is a bad decision but may be the best option for those in poorer health and of little other means. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
It's only a choice for desperate people who have no one to leave their home. IIRC,you get about 40 percent of the assessed value of your home,and are still responsible for the upkeep and repairs. I suspect most people would be better off to just sell their homes outright and move into a small apartment or mobile home in a building or park reserved for retired seniors. The money from selling their homes would provide a lot of years of rent money on a small place,and free up their SS money for living expenses. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Bingo. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I am a member of the church of Christ. Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
Are you ashamed to tell the exact denomination?
The churches of Christ are non-denominational. Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
The churches of Christ are non-denominational. "non-denominational"? All have members and name, if they have a building they have bylaws, ministers, services and more or less defined beliefs. Unless you are a church of one. [...] nondenominationalism hides the fundamental theological and spiritual issues that drove the division of Christianity into denominations in the first place behind a veneer of "Christian unity". [...] nondenominationalism encourages a descent of Christianity—and indeed, all religions—into comfortable "general moralism" rather than being a focus for facing the complexities of churchgoers' culture and spirituality. [...] it also encourages ignorance of the Scriptures, which in turn reduces overall religious literacy, increasing the potential for inter-religious misunderstandings and conflict. the term non-denominational is essentially misleading: "If an American church calls itself “non-denominational,” nine times out of ten what that means is Baptist. Altar calls and appeals to personal conversion replace the sacraments as the means of grace. Baptism is a symbol of one’s personal conversion, nothing more, and it is only appropriate for adults. [...]
The church of Christ I attend has over 1,000 members.. You will find this and more in Wikipedia Churches of Christ are autonomous Christian congregations associated with one another through common beliefs and practices. They seek to base doctrine and practice on the Bible alone. They teach that they are the church written in scripture. They teach that any individual, from the time that the Church began until now, can become part of that church by hearing the truth, believing the truth, repenting from their ways to God's ways, confessing that Jesus in the Bible is Christ, and being baptized for the remission of their sins. Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
Unfortunately there are so many such Baptist or Pentacostal congregations that I have no way to look up you particular group. Possibly you misread my intention. I am not interested in your personal data like name and address of your church. Only in the official beliefs of those with whom you pray, they go usually with some denominational (or "nondenominational" if you wish) name. But you have right to keep your secret.
Firstly, the churches of Christ are neither Baptist or Pentecostal,. We are part of the ,Restoration Movement, Secondly, in our desire to love and faithfully follow Jesus Christ we pattern our churches after those established by the Lord in the New Testament. Thirdly, you will find information about our beliefs and history at. http://www.thecra.org/about_us/restoration_movement < p> Read the complete article, and you will find a Russian connection. Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
Thank you for the link. I have one dogmatic question. Your site says: "You must confess Christ. This is a public witnessing to the fact that you do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Do you (plural you) believe that Jesus Christ the Son of God is True God from True God, begotten not made before all ages, of one essence (being) with God the Father), and through the Son all things were made?
Certainly! That is taught in the Bible. That said, It is important to allow those who are babes in the faith time to grow into the full knowledge of Christ. One additional point, the Evangelical Christians I Russia were at a later date forced by the Soviets to merge with the Baptists and Pentacostals.. Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies
That is sick Pete. You think human beings are parasites. What a freak.
What a freak. I'll tell you what a freak is in the "information age",it's someone who doesn't understand the definition of the word "parasite". Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Some people are parasites from conception till death, just the way the elites/ruling class likes it...
Vegetarians eat vegetables. Beware of humanitarians!
Natural born sheeple. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I do, however, believe in God's Sovereign design to preserve His Written Words. And yes, He uses humans to do that.
#161. To: Vicomte13, ALL (#156)
And Christ speaking later is more authoritative than Christ speaking earlier, if there appears to be a conflict between he himself.
#162. To: Vicomte13, ALL (#153)
He did say "call no man father" at one point, but he referred to men's fathers at another point. So, either he really meant that men were never, ever to use the word "Father" to speak of anybody but God (no, he didn't mean that), or he meant something more obvious: don't call anybody your spiritual father.
#163. To: GarySpFC (#161)
That is full blown heresy.
#164. To: Vicomte13, GarySpFC (#163)
"That is full blown heresy."
#165. To: A Pole (#151)
#166. To: sneakypete (#155)
Don't worry. We all understand the chip on your shoulder is why you can't admit the Soviets would have been speaking German if it hadn't been for that asshat King FDR bailing out his goomba Stalin.
#167. To: CZ82 (#165)
Well if you Europeans had stepped on Hitler's dick back in the mid 30s
#168. To: A Pole (#160)
Let me put it differently. It pleases God to let people made in His Image to participate freely in His work. I would not say He "uses" them, but that He invites them to cooperate as His beloved children so they can leave traces of their own handiwork.
#169. To: Pericles (#157)
That is not true nor the motivation for the GI Bill. They congress remembered the Bonus March riots of the pre war
#170. To: CZ82, APole (#166)
I think he would rather we stayed out of it cause he thinks the Soviets would have defeated Germany all by itself and would be sucking the entire continent dry today instead of just parts of it.
#171. To: A Pole (#167)
Europeans had peculiar weakness. They were not able to read the future.
#172. To: CZ82 (#171)
Europeans had peculiar weakness. They were not able to read the future.
#173. To: A Pole (#172)
(Edited)
Many Americans loved him.
#174. To: TooConservative (#173)
Many Americans loved him.
#175. To: A Pole (#174)
#176. To: TooConservative (#175)
#177. To: A Pole (#164)
Most of my friends if not all, follow some heresy.
#178. To: GarySpFC (#177)
"Most of my friends if not all, follow some heresy."
#179. To: A Pole (#178)
#180. To: All (#179)
#181. To: GarySpFC (#179)
The church of Christ.
#182. To: A Pole (#181)
The church of Christ.
#183. To: GarySpFC (#182)
The Church of Christ? These Congregationalists tend to be liberal these days. Isn't that so?
#184. To: redleghunter, sneakypete, Vicomte13, TooConservative (#64)
Some are also taking out Long Term Care insurance. This is very expensive and takes away a large portion of retired income for a 'just in case' situation. My dad's friend paid into this for 5 years but never used it...He passed away before needing it.
#185. To: SOSO (#184)
In general this is a bad decision but may be the best option for those in poorer health and of little other means.
#186. To: sneakypete (#185)
I suspect most people would be better off to just sell their homes outright and move into a small apartment or mobile home in a building or park reserved for retired seniors. The money from selling their homes would provide a lot of years of rent money on a small place,and free up their SS money for living expenses.
#187. To: A Pole (#183)
So which is your church?
#188. To: GarySpFC (#187)
I am a member of the church of Christ.
#189. To: A Pole (#188)
Are you ashamed to tell the exact denomination?
#190. To: GarySpFC (#189)
"Are you ashamed to tell the exact denomination?"
#191. To: A Pole (#190)
#192. To: GarySpFC (#191)
(Edited)
The church of Christ I attend has over 1,000 members.. You will find this and more in Wikipedia
#193. To: A Pole (#192)
#194. To: GarySpFC (#193)
http://www.thecra.org/about_us/restoration_movement
#195. To: A Pole (#194)
Do you (plural you) believe that Jesus Christ the Son of God is True God from True God, begotten not made before all ages, of one essence (being) with God the Father), and through the Son all things were made?
#196. To: sneakypete, liberator, tomder55, redleghunter (#51)
#197. To: A K A Stone (#196)
That is sick Pete. You think human beings are parasites.
#198. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#196)
#199. To: CZ82 (#198)
Some people are parasites from conception till death, just the way the elites/ruling class likes it...
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