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Title: Rebuilding a Conservative Movement I
Source: Sultan Knish blog
URL Source: http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/201 ... s+The+Stories+Behind+the+News%
Published: Sep 25, 2015
Author: Daniel Greenfield
Post Date: 2015-09-27 19:03:36 by Rufus T Firefly
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Views: 50266
Comments: 199

The trouble with the donor class, by and large, is that it is resistant to change because it doesn't want to change. The Democratic and Republican donor classes donate for their business interests, but the Democratic donor class has a radical edge. Groups like the Democracy Alliance want a fundamental transformation of the country. And they understand how they can make money off that.

There are too many Republican single issue donors who are fairly liberal on everything outside that issue. And there are too many big business interests and financial folks who live in major cities and only differ from liberals in their economic policy.

The trouble with fiscally conservative and socially liberal is that the left is not a buffet. You don't get to pick a combo identity. Fiscally liberal follows socially liberal as day follows night. All those single people, their babies need assorted government benefits. No amount of lectures on "liberty" will change that. Austrian economics is never going to displace food stamps for the socially insecure.

A lot of the Republican donor class would like to have its cake and eat it too. It wants the fun of a liberal society without having to pay the bill. It wants cheap Third World labor without wanting to cover their health care, the school taxes and all the other social welfare goodies.

But it doesn't work that way. There's no free ride.

Yes, they can move to a township where the property taxes are killer, and dump their pool guy and tree trimmer and maid in some city to live in housing projects at the expense of that city's shrinking middle class and working class. And it can work for a while, until all those cheap laborers get community organized and the organizers take over the city. And then the state.

And then there are housing projects in the township, everyone is plugged into the same statewide school tax scheme and the left runs everything and taxes everything.

The wealthier members of the donor class can outrun this process longer. Or just live with it while funding groups that promote "Liberty", the way the Koch Brothers do, but the bill always comes due.

You can't outrun the political implications of poverty in a democracy. And you can't stop those political trends without addressing the social failures that cause them. A socially liberal society will become politically and economically liberal. Importing Third World labor also imports Third World politics, which veer between Marxism and Fascism all the way to the Islamic Jihad.

Everything is connected. You can't choose one without the other.

We're not going to have some libertarian utopia in which everyone gets high and lives in communes, but doesn't bother with regulations and taxes. The closest thing you can find to that is Africa. Nor are we going to be able to import tens of millions of people from countries where working class politics is Marxist without mainstreaming Marxism as a political solution in major cities across America.

People are not divisible that way. Human society is not a machine you can break down.

The left has fundamentally changed America. Much of the donor class hesitates to recognize this or prefers to believe that it can isolate the bad changes from the good changes. It doesn't work that way.

Getting the kind of fiscal conservatism that a lot of the donor class wants requires making fundamental changes to the country. You can't just tinker with economic regulations in a country where schoolchildren are taught to demand taxes on plastic bags to save the planet or where a sizable portion of the population is dependent on the government. Those tactics can rack up ALEC victories while losing the war.

Fiscal conservatism requires a self-reliant population that believes in the value of honesty and hard work. Those are not compatible with social liberalism or casual Marxism. Individually, yes. It's possible to make money while being a leftist. But spread across a large population with different classes and races, those individual quirks will not be replicated. And you can't create that population with slogans. You have to be able to shape national values, not just economic policy.

That's the hard truth.

There are no single issue solutions. At best there are single issue stopgaps. But the left is not a single issue organization. It has narrowed down most of its disagreements and combined its deck of agendas. Its coalition supports a large range of programs from across the deck. It's still possible to be a pro-abortion Republican, but the political representation of pro-life Democrats is disappearing.

You can be a Republican who supports the Muslim Brotherhood, but a Democrat who says anything too critical about Islam has a limited future in his party at any national level. The same is true across the spectrum. Kim Davis is a Democrat. How much of a future do Democrats opposed to gay marriage have? Meanwhile it's possible to be a pro-gay marriage Republican.

The Republican "big tent" is more a symptom of ideological disarray, as we've seen in this primary season, by a party that doesn't really know what it believes, than of tolerance. But the left has taken over the Democratic Party and made its agendas into the only acceptable ones.

There are still some national Democrats hedging weakly on gun control and environmentalism, but they're going to be purged. Their party will abandon them and Republicans will squeeze them out.

A lot of the donor class is really seeking an accommodation with the left. The election was warped when the Koch brothers decided to find common ground with the ACLU on freeing drug dealers. They dragged some good candidates in with them and down with them destroying their credibility on key issues.

You can't have an accommodation with the left. The left isn't seeking a compromise. It wants it all.

The left has to be fought all the way or surrendered to all the way. There's no middle ground here regardless of what philosophical objections are introduced, because that is what the left is doing. It's easily observable just in Obama's two terms.

The left has defined the terms of battle. And its terms are total control over everything.

You can't be pro-life and pro-Obama. You can't be pro-business and pro-Obama. You can't be pro-Israel and pro-Obama. You can't be fiscally conservative and pro-Obama. You can't be socially conservative and pro-Obama. You can't be anything less than full leftist and pro-Obama.

The left has to be fought totally or not at all.

Single issues can be important and it's good for people to pick one or two things to focus on, but that has to come with the understanding that there can be no accommodation with it in any other area. An organization fighting gun control is doing important work, but its backers should never fall under the illusion that the 2nd amendment can be maintained if the left wins on all the other fronts.

As Benjamin Franklin said, "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately". The quote is true today in all its implications as it was then. We must have a conservative movement that is united in a common front or we will be dragged down one by one. There will be no conservative issue islands left to stand on if the red tide comes in.

The final point is that it is not enough to resist. That's just delaying the inevitable. Even the strongest resistance can be worn away with time. If the left can't win directly, it focuses on the next generation. If cultural barriers are in the way, it goes for population resettlement, as it's doing in parts of this country and Europe. There is no such thing as an impregnable issue island.

Winning means pushing forward. Winning means advocating for change, not just fighting to keep what we have. Winning means thinking about the sort of free society that we want. Winning means having a vision to build, not just resist. Winning means advancing forward.

To do that, we have to accept that fundamental change is necessary. Right now we're fighting a losing battle. We're trying to keep the tide out, when we must become the tide.

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You can't be pro-life and pro-Obama. You can't be pro-business and pro-Obama. You can't be pro-Israel and pro-Obama. You can't be fiscally conservative and pro-Obama. You can't be socially conservative and pro-Obama. You can't be anything less than full leftist and pro-Obama.

The left has to be fought totally or not at all.

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#5. To: Rufus T Firefly, Willie Green, Vicomte13, TooConservative, sneakypete, tpaine, Pericles (#0)

Fiscal conservatism requires a self-reliant population that believes in the value of honesty and hard work.

Wait a minute, do you want a population that KNOWS FROM EXPERIENCE that honesty and hard work makes them prosperous, or BELIEVES it because Rush and Koch brothers are prosperous and are generous enough to share their comfort through the media? New Deal was offering people the first the Rushes and Kochs offer people mind numbing propaganda and semi-slave status.

It boils down to the share in economic pie, the rich over the centuries wanted others to do work for them for free. Then oops, democracy and socialism came. Horrible! Now the question is how to disempower unwashed masses, to terrorize them with police state or to brainwash them into zombie state? Probably you need both.

You can't be pro-Israel and pro-Obama

Forget Obama. When hating and despising Palestinians became a requirement for a "conservative". Did a word "conservative" became a synonym for a psychopath? (Understand me well, I do not denythea right for Israeli Jews to fight for their interests, or same right to the Palestinian Arabs, but why should others to be dragged in their family quarrel and take side in a vicious way?)

A Pole  posted on  2015-09-28   4:05:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: A Pole, Rufus T Firefly, Willie Green, Vicomte13, TooConservative, sneakypete, tpaine (#5)

t boils down to the share in economic pie, the rich over the centuries wanted others to do work for them for free. Then oops, democracy and socialism came. Horrible! Now the question is how to disempower unwashed masses, to terrorize them with police state or to brainwash them into zombie state? Probably you need both.

I am a classicist. The aristocracy gave power to the Athenian citizenship not so much because they feared a revolution (and they did) but because the old way of fighting wars, where the aristocrats did the fighting in the form of duels while the peasants fought around them willy nilly had ended and the age of armed formations of disciplined soldiers took over. The aristocrats realized an army of peasants heavily armed would not fight for free or take orders from aristocrats if they did not want to.

We kind of saw that after WW2. The Americans passed the GI Bill - which was purely a wealth transfer from the rich to the poor (on a basis of merit) because they did not want an angry population of millions of combat hardened veterans returning to the slums of American cities (where most of the Irish, Italians and non WASP whites lived) and to poverty.

And it worked. This wealth transfer benefited the republic immensely. All those non WASP whites who benefited from the GI Bill would before the war never have even finished high school in many cases pre WW2 and were now being payed to go to trade schools or higher education.

These days, our leaders don't really need the rest of the population? As automation and outsourcing take over and fewer Americans serve there will be a feeling that they can use a private army to keep the discontent bottled in a nation with a 2nd amend?

Pericles  posted on  2015-09-28   23:15:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Pericles (#109)

We kind of saw that after WW2. The Americans passed the GI Bill - which was purely a wealth transfer from the rich to the poor (on a basis of merit) because they did not want an angry population of millions of combat hardened veterans returning to the slums of American cities (where most of the Irish, Italians and non WASP whites lived) and to poverty.

HorseHillary. The economy was booming due to all of Europe's manufacturing being bombed to dust,and a booming American economy needed new skilled blue collar as well as white collar workers.

Who better to subsidize for this new work force than the veterans who had proven they had ambition enough to stick with it and succeed? Plus it allowed the politicians to score major political points.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-29   3:06:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: sneakypete (#113)

Who better to subsidize for this new work force than the veterans who had proven they had ambition enough to stick with it and succeed?

You mean that they had luck and stamina to survive? Not all of them were volunteers, they were drafted. BTW, Big part of them was sent to Europe AFTER the main fighting ended, to crowd out Soviets.

BTW, without GI Bill, would America be better off?

A Pole  posted on  2015-09-29   3:41:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: A Pole (#117)

Who better to subsidize for this new work force than the veterans who had proven they had ambition enough to stick with it and succeed?

You mean that they had luck and stamina to survive?

Wahhhhh! Wahhhhhh!

No,I meant the dead ones. After all,who has more stamina and luck than the dead ones? (sarcasm)

Not all of them were volunteers, they were drafted.

Yes,but not as many as were drafted in your beloved workers paradise,comrade. Not that you would really notice because you were all serfs of your Soviet masters to start with.

BTW, Big part of them was sent to Europe AFTER the main fighting ended, to crowd out Soviets.

BTW,you are full of Obomber. The majority of the ones that defeated the Nazi's and stopped the Red Army at Berlin were still in Germany and Europe for months after the war ended,and many were still there a year or more later while the military was being downsized,with those who had been at war the longest being the first to be allowed to go home and get discharged.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-29   4:09:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: sneakypete (#119)

The majority of the ones that defeated the Nazi's and stopped the Red Army at Berlin were still in Germany and Europe for months after the war ended

At Berlin?!

A Pole  posted on  2015-09-29   4:25:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: A Pole (#120)

Not all of them were volunteers, they were drafted. BTW, Big part of them was sent to Europe AFTER the main fighting ended, to crowd out Soviets.

Yes,at Berlin.

Patton had to have his fuel cut off to keep him from taking Berlin before your commie heroes could get there,and even after we handed it to them on a platter it took them a while to take it,and our troops in place outside of Berlin is all that stopped them from going further.

What we SHOULD have done was taken out the Red Army and Stalin while we had the men and equipment in place to do it,but the communist sympathizers in the Dim Party kept that from happening.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-29   9:55:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: sneakypete (#126)

Yes,at Berlin.

Patton had to have his fuel cut off to keep him from taking Berlin before your commie heroes could get there,and even after we handed it to them on a platter

Yeah, sure.

And Obama's great-uncle, Charlie Payne, was among the U.S. troops who liberated the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz.

We all know it.

A Pole  posted on  2015-09-29   16:35:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: A Pole (#142)

Yeah, sure.

Historical FACTS,Bubbarade.

And Obama's great-uncle, Charlie Payne, was among the U.S. troops who liberated the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz.

He was a REMF who never liberated anything other than the stuff he stole. He gets to claim "he" was a PART of the forces that liberated the camps because he was one of tens of thousands attached to that army Corps. It was always the front line combat assault troops,Soviet,US,or Brits that liberated the camps.

BTW,since I remembered Obomber claiming at one speech it was his grandfather that liberated a Nazi concentration camp,I looked up Charles Payne,and was his grandfather's brother,not his grandfather. Nobody is ever sure he was the PFC Charles T.Payne listed in the 89th Infantry Division rolls or not since he wasn't a PFC and has used a different middle initial. The 89th morning report the name came from just listed first and middle name initials and rank.

It also says he enlisted.

In another bio it says he only served from 1943 to 1945 and got out as a Private. If you was the same rank when he got out as 2 years later while serving in a infantry division during WW-2 he was a major screw up and he definitely did NOT serve as an infantryman. Due to deaths in infantry units,survivors got promoted to Corporal or Sgt as the unit fought in battles.

Also,only draftees served 2 years. People that enlisted served a minimum of 3 years,and some served longer as did draftees in 1941. Their terms of service was "for the duration of the war."

As with everything else related to Obomber,there is an awful lot of disinformation.

We all know it.

You don't know squat beyond commie dogma.

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-29   17:18:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: sneakypete (#144)

Nobody is ever sure he was the PFC Charles T.Payne listed in the 89th Infantry Division rolls or not since he wasn't a PFC and has used a different middle initial.

So it was 89th Infantry Division that liberated Auschwitz?

A Pole  posted on  2015-09-29   18:10:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: A Pole (#148)

So it was 89th Infantry Division that liberated Auschwitz?

On April 4, 1945, the 89th overran Ohrdruf, a subcamp of the Buchenwald concentration camp. Ohrdruf was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by US troops in Germany. A week later, on April 12, Generals Dwight D. Eisenhower, George S. Patton, and Omar Bradley visited Ohrdruf to see, firsthand, evidence of Nazi atrocities against concentration camp prisoners.

No the Russians did and only found about 5-10,000 inmates, the rest were force marched/transported by train to the west. Quite a few of them ended up in Bergen-Belsen concentration camp...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-29   18:18:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: CZ82 (#149)

No the Russians did and only found about 5-10,000 inmates, the rest were force marched/transported by train to the west.

Yes, Americans are exceptional. They went to Europe at the end of war and won.

A Pole  posted on  2015-09-29   18:21:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: A Pole (#151)

Well if you Europeans had stepped on Hitler's dick back in the mid 30s then you wouldn't have needed all those war supplies/troops we furnished during the war...

BTA all the religious and ethnic squabbling over there wouldn't allow that would it???

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-30   7:09:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: CZ82 (#165)

Well if you Europeans had stepped on Hitler's dick back in the mid 30s

Europeans had peculiar weakness. They were not able to read the future. The main threat was Bolshevism and Fascists looked like a good counter force.

Assad is the key evil in American eyes, so support to Islamists looks like a cool idea.

A Pole  posted on  2015-09-30   7:52:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: A Pole (#167)

Europeans had peculiar weakness. They were not able to read the future.

Or Mein Kampf...

Where he laid out for everyone to see just what he was going to do...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-30   10:14:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: CZ82 (#171)

Europeans had peculiar weakness. They were not able to read the future.

Or Mein Kampf...

Many Americans loved him.

A Pole  posted on  2015-09-30   17:05:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: A Pole (#172) (Edited)

Many Americans loved him.

Tens of thousands of them, certainly. Over 11,000 ethnic Germans spent the war in internment camps, some confined as late as 1948. In addition, we demanded the extradition of thousands of Germans we considered suspicious from South America and put them in the same camps. The Japanese were interred in much larger numbers, about ten times as many. It didn't help their case that so many were in California or Hawaii or that it was suspected that enemy agents had aided in the attacks on Pearl Harbor, being embedded with the native Japanese in Hawaii.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-30   19:01:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: TooConservative (#173)

Many Americans loved him.

Tens of thousands of them, certainly.

You are joking?

A Pole  posted on  2015-10-01   3:14:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: A Pole (#174)

No. My post was factual, not controversial.

It is still true that Hitler's biggest fans in America (and South America) spent WW II in internment camps, just as the Japanese Americans did.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-10-01   6:27:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#176. To: TooConservative (#175)

The comparison was with Europe before the war.

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