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Title: Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous.
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Published: Sep 27, 2015
Author: John
Post Date: 2015-09-27 07:20:02 by BobCeleste
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Eli, Eli, nai erchomai Kurios Iesous. So, what language is it? what does it mean? And why at this time? It is Greek, it means My God, My God, come quickly Lord Jesus. And I use it more and more often, because, especially after seeing, hearing and reading what pope Francis has to say, I am more and more convinced that the time is short, that Francis is indeed the false prophet of Revelation.
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#1. To: BobCeleste (#0)
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Just as there will be many antichrists paving the way for the Antichrist, it seems likely that there will be many false prophets in various churches before the appearance of the False Prophet to herald the Antichrist and lead his world religion.
Your picture didn't show up. This is surprising as most WordPress website do let you post their pix here at LF. I have discovered that I can use the same photos that I search out via DuckDuckGo and DDG will serve up their cached image for me and the pic will then show up for us here at LF, even if the origin website doesn't want to allow that. https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rugusavay.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F09%2FEpicurus-Quotes-5.jpg&f=1
Perhaps, since the picture is pure unadulterated Horse dong there is a reason it didn't appear, for God does hear prayer.
Well, if you are going to pose philosophical questions from Greek philosophy, Epicurus is a good choice. Although he lived in the third century B.C., his cult following grew over centuries and was well known to the early church. Acts 17, KJB: Paul at Athens 16Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry. 17Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him. 18Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. 19And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is? 20For thou bringest certain strange things to our ears: we would know therefore what these things mean. 21(For all the Athenians and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else, but either to tell, or to hear some new thing.) Paul Before the Areopagus 22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; 27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. 30And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: 31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. 32And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter. 33So Paul departed from among them. 34Howbeit certain men clave unto him, and believed: among the which was Dionysius the Areopagite, and a woman named Damaris, and others with them. So it is certainly worth recalling how Paul won converts from an extended public debate with capable Epicurean and Stoic philosophers of the era. The early churches knew such philosophers and their influence on society quite well. Also, in our own age, much of the atheist attacks on religion revolve around variations of Epicurus's ancient philosophical views and arguments. CARM: Addressing Epicurus' quote about God willing to prevent evil . . . We can't just wish Epicurus away. And his influence was revived in the modern era. His followers are still very much with us and their numbers are growing.
Any evil we face on this planet is like the pulling off of a bandage. It hurts momentarily, then is gone. 100 years of suffering is dwarfed by an eternity of being in the presence of Our Father. I look forward to learning the history of Creation, and the joy of existence. Life on present day Earth is going to be a distant memory. The hard times and pain washed away by the love of Yeshua and time.
I was not advocating the famous four questions of Epicurus, merely noting that the book of Acts relates that this is the kind of argument that Paul engaged in against the Epicureans and Stoics in public debate. And he still won souls. The Bible recorded his success but not that he converted every person present at those debates. That CARM link above examines the four questions briefly but in some detail, mustering the arguments that Christians should use to answer neo-Epicureans like atheists and humanists.
I understand you were not. The argument only makes sense from Epicurus if there is no eternity. If we humans are only alive for a short time on Earth then nothing, his argument would make sense. What kind of God would create man, only to let him suffer for 80 years then rot into nothingness? The kind of God Epicurus conceives of, that is who.
The four questions debate the nature of God, His omnipotence, why evil survives if He could destroy it, etc. It is a philosophical inquiry, a way of comprehensively examining the basic questions about God. And each of the four questions can be debated endlessly and in considerable depth. These are the Greek philosophers that Acts records Paul debating at the Areopagus, near the Athenian altar to the Unknown God. Paul's thesis was that Christ was the Unknown God and therefore the Unknown God honored by that altar was now known to be Christ. You can see it might cause quite a stir for Paul to hold forth on this topic at that location. These things meant much more to the ancients than they do to us, reading about them as history so many years later. Yet, Paul lived this episode and it had real meaning to the early churches and to many of the pagans of the era who heard of this confrontation.
Paul had more patience than I. If it were me, I would walk away from them. There is nothing harder than trying to convince someone with a sense of mental superiority that they are wrong. It happens, but not very often. I have argued my points with the college educated, and they are more firmly ensconced in ideology than Christians, but won't admit it.
The college educated are too often college brainwashed.
#2. To: BobCeleste (#0)
And I use it more and more often, because, especially after seeing, hearing and reading what pope Francis has to say, I am more and more convinced that the time is short, that Francis is indeed the false prophet of Revelation.
#3. To: Willie Green, BobCeleste (#2)
#4. To: TooConservative (#3)
#5. To: BobCeleste, Willie Green (#4)
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Epicurus was a Greek philosopher who was born in Athens, Greece, in the third century BC. He taught that the purpose of life was to obtain tranquility and peace with the avoidance of pain and suffering. The following four statements are attributed to him. They are sometimes used by atheists to deny God's existence. Let's take a look at them.
#6. To: TooConservative (#5)
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
#7. To: jeremiad (#6)
(Edited)
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
#8. To: TooConservative (#7)
#9. To: jeremiad (#8)
What kind of God would create man, only to let him suffer for 80 years then rot into nothingness? The kind of God Epicurus conceives of, that is who.
#10. To: TooConservative (#9)
#11. To: jeremiad (#10)
I have argued my points with the college educated, and they are more firmly ensconced in ideology than Christians, but won't admit it.
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