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Title: Three GOP senators hit for ‘selling out’ on pain-capable unborn babies
Source: Life Site News
URL Source: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/t ... mail&utm_term=0_0caba610ac-717
Published: Sep 25, 2015
Author: Fr. Mark Hodges
Post Date: 2015-09-25 00:10:17 by redleghunter
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WASHINGTON, D.C., September 24, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) -- The U.S. Senate has voted down advancing the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to debate. Prolifers are not entirely disappointed, but are noting three sell-outs among the ranks of Republicans.

The majority of senators wanted to advance the bill, which would protect babies at least 20 weeks beyond fertilization (which is equivalent to 22 weeks of pregnancy — about the start of the sixth month), to a Senate floor debate. Fifty-four senators voted to move the prolife bill forward, but the Senate requires 60 votes to avoid a filibuster.

Forty-two senators —40 Democrats and two Republicans— voted against advancing the bill, which included exceptions for rape and incest and "the life of the woman" (which has always been a universally- recognized exception in those extremely rare cases).

The two Republicans voting against life were Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and Sen. Mark Kirk of Illinois. Additionally, Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-AK, missed the key prolife vote entirely.

Laurie Higgins at Illinois Family Action described the bill as preventing "the torturous deaths of 18,000 tiny, defenseless human beings every year, humans who, while able to feel pain, are being crushed and dismembered in their mothers' wombs."

Collins' Maine is the most pro-abortion state in the nation. She says she is against late-term abortion, but complains that the prolife bill didn't include strong enough exceptions.

"I have advocated that we add language that would provide an exception when the woman is at 'serious risk of grievous injury to her physical health,'" Collins wrote, explaining her voting down the prolife bill. But medical professionals agree, there are no situations where abortion is medically necessary to save the life of the mother.

Over one thousand doctors and medical researchers in obstetrics and gynaecology have signed the Dublin Declaration, a document stating that abortion is never medically necessary to save a mother’s life. Former abortionist Dr. Bernard Nathanson testified in 1991, “If women with heart and liver transplants can be carried successfully through pregnancy, we can no longer conceive of any medical condition which would legitimize abortion.”

The physicians and researchers admit that some procedures in rare circumstances, such as surgeries for ectopic pregnancies, are necessary and do unavoidably result in the conceived baby's death. However, they say there is "a fundamental difference between abortion, and necessary medical treatments that are carried out to save the life of the mother, even if such treatment results in the loss of life of her unborn child." Such surgeries are not direct abortions, "the purposeful destruction of the unborn child," the doctors state.

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#1. To: All, *Pro-Life* (#0)

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.---Revelation 1:5b-6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-25   0:10:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter (#1)

The U.S. Senate has voted down advancing the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to debate. Prolifers are not entirely disappointed, but are noting three sell-outs among the ranks of Republicans.

Clearly, this had no possible hope of getting through Congress or being signed by the President and it was for show only. Change that situation and SCOTUS would likely smack it down.

The subtly revised exceptions phrase removes the chief exception relied upon, the one for the health of the mother.

‘‘(B) EXCEPTIONS.—Subparagraph (A) does not apply if—‘‘(i) in reasonable medical judgment, the abortion is necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, but not including psychological or emotional conditions;

Any psychological or emotional condition is broad enough to enable a doctor to authorize just about any abortion at any time before birth. A review cannot really detect whether the mother was having an exceedingly bad hair day or not.

This would have provided an exception only for life-endangering physical conditions. That just is not happening at this time. The reporting requirements are not happening either. The 20-week limit may be possible but this was yet another thinly veiled attempt to criminalize practically all abortions.

11 ‘‘(2) PROHIBITION ON PERFORMANCE OF CER-
12 TAIN ABORTIONS.—
13 ‘‘(A) GENERALLY FOR UNBORN CHILDREN
14 20 WEEKS OR OLDER.—Except as provided in
15 subparagraph (B), the abortion shall not be
16 performed or attempted, if the probable post
17 fertilization age, as determined under para-
18 graph (1), of the unborn child is 20 weeks or
19 greater.
20 ‘‘(B) EXCEPTIONS.—Subparagraph (A)
21 does not apply if—
22 ‘‘(i) in reasonable medical judgment,
23 the abortion is necessary to save the life of
24 a pregnant woman whose life is endan-
25 gered by a physical disorder, physical ill-
- - -
7

HR 36 PCS

1 ness, or physical injury, including a life-en
2 dangering physical condition caused by or
3 arising from the pregnancy itself, but not
4 including psychological or emotional condi-
5 tions;
6 ‘‘(ii) the pregnancy is the result of
7 rape against an adult woman, and at least
8 48 hours prior to the abortion—
9 ‘‘(I) she has obtained counseling
10 for the rape; or
11 ‘‘(II) she has obtained medical
12 treatment for the rape or an injury
13 related to the rape; or
14 ‘‘(iii) the pregnancy is a result of rape
15 against a minor or incest against a minor,
16 and the rape or incest has been reported at
17 any time prior to the abortion to either—
18 ‘‘(I) a government agency legally
19 authorized to act on reports of child
20 abuse; or
21 ‘‘(II) a law enforcement agency.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-25   1:27:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: nolu chan (#2)

Clearly, this had no possible hope of getting through Congress or being signed by the President and it was for show only. Change that situation and SCOTUS would likely smack it down.

That's fine. Let a Republican Congress pass it, and a Democrat President veto it.

And then when there is a Republican President, pass it again.

And if the Republican Supreme Court strikes it down, the issue is framed very nicely, both for gods and men.

Let the world see where each man stands. Let each man finally, fatally, publicly, for eternity, take his stand. And let the ones who write their names in blood as for abortion bear that mark before men for the rest of their days, before they writhe in the fire for the rest of eternity.

It is just.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-25   7:37:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: redleghunter (#0)

Susan Collins is an evil woman. I think she has lived to long. Same with the others.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-09-25   8:12:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: nolu chan (#2)

The 20-week limit may be possible but this was yet another thinly veiled attempt to criminalize practically all abortions.

Good. Can you think of a 'righteous' abortion? I can't. The proposed Act did not go far enough. Remember this is a case where the proposed Act did make it to debate. That's the point. You make some good arguments above which I would expect some sane and articulate persons to make during a DEBATE.

The US Senate has decided they don't even want to DEBATE the shedding of innocent blood without due process.

It is amazing, at least morally, how this proposed Act won't see the light of a debate, but the Senate had to pass Obamacare just to see what was in it.

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.---Revelation 1:5b-6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-25   8:59:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: redleghunter (#0)

" Forty-two senators —40 Democrats and two Republicans— voted against advancing the bill "

May they all burn in hell for eternity!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't

Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

Stoner  posted on  2015-09-25   10:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Stoner (#6)

" Forty-two senators —40 Democrats and two Republicans— voted against advancing the bill "

This vote just to DEBATE the Act shows clearly the priorities of certain senators.

"They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and their daughters,Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with the blood."---Psalm 106:37-38

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-25   10:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: redleghunter (#5)

It is amazing, at least morally, how this proposed Act won't see the light of a debate, but the Senate had to pass Obamacare just to see what was in it.

I basically depart on the issue of the false choice to support an unconstitutional usurpation of power to prohibit all abortions or an unconstitutional usurpation of power to regulate/approve abortions. Ditto regarding marriage.

I can't find the constitutional provision which gave that authority/jurisdiction to the Federal government. I do not support the Federal legislation or SCOTUS intervention, regardless of what it says or does. I believe the whole subject matter was reserved the states. If the people desire a Federal resolution to the issue, they can amend the Constitution as they see fit. If they cannot agree on an Amendment, then it should remain with the states.

The Federal government was not created to govern morality or religion.

As for a "righteous" abortion, on strict religious morality no exceptions make any sense whatever.

Reality suggests a significant majority does not support government enforcement of such strict religious morality. Politicians tend to avoid political suicide.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-25   19:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: nolu chan (#8)

I agree...judges and politicians should not play at being God.

However the issue of abortion is a Life issue. Life comes before liberty in order. Abortion on demand is "pursuit of happiness" as warped as that can be.

"They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and their daughters,Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with the blood."---Psalm 106:37-38

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-25   23:29:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: redleghunter (#9)

However the issue of abortion is a Life issue. Life comes before liberty in order. Abortion on demand is "pursuit of happiness" as warped as that can be.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but not in the Constitution. It is in the Declaration of Independence. Abortion on demand, prior to the quickening, was in the common law, applicable at the Founding and the Framing.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed....

Abortion is an important issue, but it is not a constitutional issue. More than anything, it is a moral issue. It is part of a political rallying cry, not a document establishing a form of government and the organic law ratified by the states.

The DoI speaks to who is endowed with the specified rights. It does not speak of the unborn. To be serious, it speaks of the people of the political community of the United States, and did not include, or intend to include, non-white people.

To secure these rights, governments are instituted deriving their just pwers from the consent of the governed. The governed did not consent to much of what the Federal government does today.

If one tries to track back to the Founding and Framing to determine if there was a right to regulate abortion, it should be found somewhere in the common or eariest statute law.

The same could be said for the right to same sex marriage. If the people ratified some provision that guaranteed same sex marriage, those words should be clearly identifiable and effective at the time they were ratified. To buy that the people ratified that, imagine that a provision of the 14th Amendment actually stated that the right of people of the same sex to marry shall not be infringed. I rather doubt that could have been ratified then or now, and I know of no effort to ever attempt to get such an amendment proposed or ratified.

Abortion was allowed under the common law of England at the time of the Founding and Framing in the early stages of pregnancy, until what was called the quickening, when the mother first feels the child moving about. That was the defining point of when a moral obligation inhered to the mother.

The was the law of all the original colonies and the states that they became. While English common law changed, changes that occurred after American independence did not affect common law in America. While individual states prohibited abortion, this could not possibly delegate any authority to the Federal government. A Federal right to ban abortion simply does not track back to the Founding and Framing era. The banning of abortificients tracks back to about the 1820's, mostly because quacks were selling some drugs that were killing women. The common use of abortifacients tracks back to the colonial era.

In stating the common law, Blackstone wrote in Book 1, Chapter 1, "Commentaries on the Laws of England," (1765) Of the Absolute Rights of Individuals, as follows:

1. Life is the immediate gift of God, a right inherent by nature in every individual; and it begins in contemplation of law as soon as an infant is able to stir in the mother’s womb. For if a woman is quick with child, and by a potion, or otherwise kills it in her womb; or if any one beat her, whereby the child dies in her body, and she is delivered of a dead child; this, though not murder, was by the ancient law homicide or manslaughter. But at present it is not looked upon in quite so atrocious a light, though it remains a very heinous misdemeanor.

An infant in ventre sa mere, or in the mother’s womb, is supposed in law to be born for many purposes. It is capable of having a legacy, or a surrender of a copyhold estate made to it. It may have a guardian assigned to it; and it is enabled to have an estate limited to its use, and to take afterwards by such limitation, as if it were then actually born. And in this point the civil law agrees with ours.

Each state adopted the common law of England excepting parts that conflicted with the federal or state constitution. No constitution or statute addressed the matter of when life began. It just wasn't an issue back then. This was not something Blackstone invented in 1765, but it was of ancient origin and he just wrote about it in one of the most influential lawbooks in history. It accuately conveys the law that was effective in all the colonies and in the states at the time of the Framing of the Constitution.

The right to life of the unborn was simply not a consideration of the term as used in the DoI, any more than it considered the slave to have the right to freedom and the pursuit of happiness.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-26   13:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: nolu chan, tomder55, rlk (#10)

Correct the DoI and not the Constitution. The DoI is the philosophical foundation of our republic.

The Common Law addressed what was known "quickening" or what was believed by the science of the time as beginning of life. However science is more advanced now and we know more about the details of conception. We also know there is heart and brain function before "the stirring in the womb."

I agree...this is a moral issue. Abortion is murder and that tops all moral issues.

You can't tell that to our majority post modern society. Pursuit of "happiness" and "me" and "bottom line" and "career" come first. Such a society we have now will gladly walk in an open comfortable prison cell, ceding one's liberty and other's life, to reach their goals of comfort--"happiness."

History tutors us such societies are self destructive and fail miserably.

The view that life is precious from conception to last breath is not one that needs defense in a sane society. No, the view that people have a right to pick and choose between who lives and dies, that is indefensible in a sane society.

What have 'we' become? Beggars of our own demise.

"They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and their daughters,Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with the blood."---Psalm 106:37-38

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-26   17:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: redleghunter (#11)

U.S. Supreme Court Justices

However science is more advanced now and we know more about the details of conception. We also know there is heart and brain function before "the stirring in the womb."

I agree with this obvious truth. However, the advance of scientific knowledge did not change one jot or tiddle of U.S. law. Maybe the Constitution should be changed, but is changed as set forth in Article V, not by advances in scientific knowledge.

I agree...this is a moral issue. Abortion is murder and that tops all moral issues.

Abortion is not murder. Fetal homicide is not murder. Currently, it is not any crime. Perhaps it should be, but it is not.

You can't tell that to our majority post modern society. Pursuit of "happiness" and "me" and "bottom line" and "career" come first. Such a society we have now will gladly walk in an open comfortable prison cell, ceding one's liberty and other's life, to reach their goals of comfort--"happiness."

Examine what happens when a subject like regulation of alcohol is devolved to the county level. Depending on what the people of the county choose, there are wet counties and dry counties. If the regulation of abortion were to be devolved back to the states, I believe that it would absolutely become greatly restricted or prohibited altogether in a number of states. But it is apparent that the vast majority, pro and con, want their belief to be imposed by the federal government on everyone else.

As a national issue - no abortion, no exception - no sale. When an issue is nationalized at SCOTUS, a majority of five can decide what applies to all. At a popular level, a small minority of large states can determine an issue for all. The large urban areas can decide for the vast majority of the land.

The view that life is precious from conception to last breath is not one that needs defense in a sane society.

This view infers that any birth control that prevents implantation results in fetal homicide. The majority considers it extreme. While your opinion makes moral and logical sense, I do not see that same logic holding that the government should enforce a minority moral opinion on all, against public opinion, and without support of any Federal law. Neither the Constitution, nor federal law, extends protection at the time of conception.

If it were a state issue, they are not constrained by the same limited delegation of power given to the Federal government. If Texas, as a state, wanted to adopt your precise position, I would say have at it.

What have 'we' become? Beggars of our own demise.

Our government has become a federal leviathan. Once sovereign states are dominated by the federal government. This is by design, not accident. History indicates how we became what we have become.

Just the SCOTUS makup hints at something out of balance.

SCOTUS:

4 NY; 2 NJ; 2 CA; 1 GA - Zero, all the rest.

6 Roman Catholic, 3 Jewish, Zero, all the rest.

JusticeReligionPresidentYearBirthplace
John ROBERTS, CJRoman CatholicGeorge W. Bush2005Buffalo, NY
Antonin SCALIA, J.Roman CatholicRonald Reagan1986Trenton, NJ
Anthony KENNEDY, J.Roman CatholicRonald Reagan1988Sacramento, CA
Clarence THOMAS, J.Roman CatholicGeorge H.W. Bush1991Savannah, GA
Ruth Bader GINSBURG, J.JewishBill Clinton1993Brooklyn, NY
Stephen BREYER, J.JewishBill Clinton1994San Francisco, CA
Samuel ALITO, J.Roman CatholicGeorge W. Bush2006Trenton, NJ
Sonia SOTOMAYOR, J.Roman CatholicBarack Obama2009Bronx, NY
Elena KAGAN, J.JewishBarack Obama2010New York, NY

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-27   0:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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