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Title: Poll: Fiorina Wins Debate, Trump Still Leads
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Morning Consult Poll
URL Source: http://morningconsult.com/2015/09/p ... wins-debate-trump-still-leads/
Published: Sep 18, 2015
Author: Reid Wilson
Post Date: 2015-09-19 02:09:44 by nolu chan
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Poll: Fiorina Wins Debate, Trump Still Leads Reid Wilson Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina won Wednesday’s second Republican presidential debate, according to voters who watched the Simi Valley showdown polled by Morning Consult. It was a performance that vaulted Fiorina into the top tier of a crowded field. A plurality of 29 percent of registered voters who watched the debate said Fiorina won, just higher than the 24 percent who said real estate mogul Donald Trump came out on top. Seven percent said retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson won the debate, while 6 percent each chose former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.). A huge 46 percent plurality said Trump won the first debate, held August 6 in Cleveland. Nine percent chose Carson. Trump continues to lead the Republican primary field. Thirty-six percent of registered voters who watched the debate said they would choose Trump, compared with 12 percent for Carson and 10 percent for Fiorina. Rubio placed fourth, at 9 percent, followed by 7 percent for Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and 6 percent for Bush and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R). But Fiorina’s upside potential is growing. Nineteen percent of voters said the businesswoman would be their second choice, followed by 15 percent who said Carson was their backup, 12 percent who chose Trump and 10 percent who chose Bush. Fiorina’s favorable ratings have jumped in recent weeks. Among self-identified Republican voters, 56 percent said they had a favorable opinion of Fiorina, up from 37 percent who said they had a favorable opinion of Fiorina in a Morning Consult poll conducted just before the debate. In that survey, 36 percent said they didn’t know enough about Fiorina to form an opinion; after the debate, just 16 percent said they had no opinion. Self-identified Republicans see Carson in the most favorable light. More than three quarters, 76 percent, of Republicans who watched the debate see Carson favorably, while 67 percent see Trump favorably and 60 percent say the same about Rubio. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) clocks in with the highest unfavorable rating. Just 38 percent of Republicans who watched the debate see Paul positively, while 48 percent have an unfavorable impression. Bush and Christie are both seen favorably by just 50 percent; Bush has a 46 percent unfavorable rating, and Christie’s stands at 45 percent. And while some Republican candidates complained they were overlooked on Wednesday’s debate stage, a huge 65 percent majority of voters who watched the debate said CNN’s moderators treated the candidates fairly. Just 24 percent said the moderators were unfair. More than three quarters of those who watched said their reaction to the debate was very or somewhat positive. The Morning Consult survey polled 504 registered voters who said they watched the Republican primary debate and that they plan to participate in their state’s Republican presidential nominating contest. Of those voters, 69 percent identified themselves as Republicans, and 28 percent called themselves independents. The poll carried a margin of error of plus or minus 4.4 percent.
Morning Consult
September 18, 2015
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A Morning Consult poll, released Friday, surveyed 504 registered voters who watched Wednesday’s Republican primary debate and has only good news for Republican frontrunner Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina. While the poll’s sample size is small (with a 4.4% margin of error), the poll’s trend is worth noting. In this same poll, prior to Wednesday night’s debate, Trump sat at 33% support. Dr. Ben Carson sat in second place with 17% support. Today Trump enjoys 36% support. Carson is still in second place but with just 12% support. Trump’s lead increased from +16 points to +24%. That’s an +8% jump. With their shared status as outsiders, it appears as though Carson’s support went to Fiorina. Prior to the debate the former-Hewlett Packard CEO had just 3% support. She now sits in third place with 10%, only -2 points behind second place Carson. Overall, the Republican Establishment is the Big Loser here. Non-politicians Trump, Carson and Fiorina command 58% of the vote, and that piece of the pie is only growing larger. Rubio also enjoyed a boost from 2% to 9%. This puts the Florida Senator in 4th place. [...]
Former Hewlett Packard CEO Carly Fiorina Former Hewlett Packard CEO Former Hewlett Packard CEO Former Hewlett Packard CEO That's all we hear, constantly. She was fired for good reason. She could talk the talk and parade an impressive image, but couldn't do the job. She was basically an impressive actress who acted her way to a top level position. She's acting her way toward the presidency. A Margaret Thatcher she isn't. It's a generational characteristic. We have a surplus of people who dress for success, talk for success, and pose for success, then screw up everything they touch. It's destroying the country.
Trump has peaked .All of the people who can be duped by him already have been.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yet in the Drudge poll with over 600 thousand responding, the only woman in the race garnered less than half the women watching. Getting less than half of the votes cast for Donald.
What kind of idiots demonstrate confidence in Trump other than complete imbeciles?
Says the traitor that wants Americans to compete with slave labor from China. You libtards are all the same.
You're just mad because if Trump wins your company will not be able to defraud the government and tax payers any more. Thief.
Is it time? I wish we could.
Psalm 37
Oh c'mon, Stone. Here is what Trump plans for America "to make it great again" ... he gets all his old casinoes and hotels back, free of charge from his old bankruptcies and all new government paid construction for the commodes in the hotels that are "1 pint flushes" that he charges one US dollar for. The People pay for the construction; the people pay for use and he collects all the money. Its a win-win situation "to make America great again" campaign ... construction, service and new cash flows generated by the government!
I'm not sure what kind of idiots do, but I can tell you about the kinds of smart people who demonstrate confidence in Trump: the kind who recognize that Trump is the only successful leader running for President right now. Let's look at the Republican field first. First off, there are all of the Establishment Republican candidates, the ones who actually hold or who have held political office. There's Jeb and Huckabee and Pataki, former governors, and Christie and Kasich and Jindal, before he dropped out, Perry, current governors. What do they all have in common? Utter mediocrity. They poll at nothing, because they bore everybody to tears. Of them, Huckabee is the only one who actually has any fire about anything, but that's because he's a Baptist minister who really carries a torch on social issues, not because of his political experience. So, what can one say for them? They are all "experienced"...at being dull, ineffective, boring, garden variety politicians. They governed states, which is not a very big field of play given the size of the federal government, and they all did so with mediocrity. They were able to be re-elected in the states they governed, for local reasons, primarily that their opponents sucked worse than they did, or the state is Southern and is going to vote for a Republican no matter what. Being experienced politicians, they sound like it, they sound "responsible" and "knowledgeable", and that's great if governing is high school debate society. But it isn't. As actual GOVERNORS, none of them accomplished anything. And as leaders? Nobody would follow any of them into any real battle. They do not inspire. Nobody would tune in to watch just them debate. None of them could keep the people's attention. And none of them but Huckabee ever says anything that anybody remembers. If this were the Army or the Navy, these guys would be the terminal Majors, the terminal Lt. Commanders - the career officers who stay in for 20 and rise to the first level where there's a real cut, and then no further. None of them has the charisma, the leadership, or the demonstrated record of accomplishing anything that we need in a President in a time of crisis. Now, one could snarl at me that Obama is no different - and that's true, except that he really does have charisma - and he proves my point. Having accomplished nothing before becoming President, he came into the office and accomplished nothing good. None of the Republican governors is competent to be President. They are boring men who did mediocre jobs running little states. They're Establishment men, and they'll get in there and be establishment men. We'll have G.W. or H.W. Bush, or Carter, all over again. Jeb Bush is not good enough to be President. He's a hack. The rest of them are too. The only reason we're talking about Bush is because he comes from a line of incompetent Presidents, and lots of party people who benefits from 12 years of the Bush dynasty are eager to get back on that gravy train. Those of us who are intelligent look at Jeb and the seven dwarfs, and realize that these Republican governors reached their Peter Principle as governors, did poor jobs, lack charisma and vision, and are completely unqualified to be POTUS. So who does that leave? Oh, wait, I forgot about Walker, a supposed "front-runner"...until everybody saw that he was a dull, slow, apparently dimwitted oaf. He lacks charisma, he lacks leadership. He managed to win a couple of elections in Wisconsin. Which makes him a victor on a level below that of Jimmy Carter: Georgia is bigger than Wisconsin. Oh, and Carter had charisma and demonstrable intelligence - he, at least, was a nuclear engineer and a decorated naval officer. Walker is like Lurch from the Adams family. He's so forgettable that I didn't remember him for the list above. He cannot lead the country. Well, then there are the Republican Senators, four of them: There's Cruz and Rubio, and Graham and Paul. Did I miss one or two? Probably. Forgetting to even name them shows how truly unremarkable they are. Let's start with Graham. And end without wasting any more electronic ink. He's polling zero for obvious reasons. Then there's Paul. I like Rand Paul. The Republican Establishment hates him. IF we were talking about the rise of Rand Paul as a serious contender, it would be a conversation. I'm in the 1% who likes him (not as my first, or second, or third pick, but who would actually vote for him if he were the nominee). Most of the Republican Party itself is not in my camp. He has no prospect of becoming President, and he's not going to have the Establishment fighting for him to replace Trump. The only reason I like Paul anyway is because of what he SAYS about liberty and about reducing America's foreign policy footprint. As far as ACHIEVEMENTS go, the man has done nothing but inherit a Senate seat from his father in a Republican state full of rubes. He isn't Presidential material and everybody sees that, which is why he is at 1%. Rubio? Young man. Nice smile. Republicans talk as though putting a Hispanic up there will bring in the Hispanic vote. It won't. Rubio has two accomplishments in his life: getting elected to the Senate in Florida, and proposing immigration amnesty which his own party pissed all over. He would be redeemable as the Vice President to a guy like Trump, because he is young and could learn the ways of leadership. But for right now, he's just a boy with no accomplishments. JFK was younger, but JFK was a veteran hero of World War II who came with the backing of a prominent family. And JFK benefited from the beginning of the television age. We're jaded now. Rubio is a pretty face with no accomplishments but getting elected, and a record failure since having been elected. He's a trainable second banana, and nothing more. Cruz. Well, Cruz is right in the stances he takes. And he fights. He has negative charisma - he comes across as creepy. And the Republican Establishment hates him, because he talks about the sorts of things that Huckabee talks about harmlessly, or that Trump talks about from the outside. Cruz is the one guy on the INSIDE, in high office, who actually fights for conservative causes. He is a good man. But he does not have the leadership qualities to get it done, and he doesn't have the charisma to win. If Trump falters, undiscerning Republicans will migrate to Carson, or to Fiorinia, but Cruz will STILL not rise. Cruz says the right things, and he fights, but he hasn't accomplished anything either. So, who's left? Fiorina, Carson, and Trump. Fiorina is interesting because she's a woman, and that gives her more attention than her record deserves. A man who had run a major corporation into the ground and been fired, and then gone out and blown up a campaign running as a liberal would be ridiculed. Republicans want to overlook that because she's a girl. She does have charisma, she speaks well, she can lead. And her record shows that when she leads, she is the head lemming - over the cliff. Her record is one of gaining leadership by charisma, and then crashing into a tree. In other words, she's Barack Obama or Jimmy Carter, in a red dress. Sarah Palin SUCCESSFULLY bear-handled the oil interests in Alaska, she just didn't speak well on other issues. Fiorina speaks well on everything, and has never accomplished anything positive in her entire career. Carson has a long and legitimate track record of success as a surgeon...which has fuck all to do with being President of the United States. Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer who risked his life to help save a disastrous situation with an experimental reactor when he was in the Navy. He is another example of a brilliant technical mind...that had handled small, intense things that require an expert well. Carter also governed a state. Carson has governed his household and a medical practice of, what? Three or four people. The problem with the Republican governors is that they all do have experience running things, and they were all unremarkable, have no charisma or leadership. Carson, is smart, but he's never run anything. Rand Paul is also a doctor, apparently a very good ones. Paul has accomplished more as a doctor than as a politician, and Carson has done less than that as a politician. I'd vote for Carson if he were the nominee, and I would hope that he'd figure out leadership and management as President. But he is not the best choice. And then there's Trump. Trump started with millions, and turned it into billions. He turned his name into a worldwide brand. He runs pageants and shows, and builds major projects all over the world. Major construction projects are a government - huge staffs, huge expenses, coordination, unions to deal with, contracts, budgets. And Trump sits above it managing 10 or 15 such things at a time, plus all of his other business lines. He has charisma, and he is a leader. He has run things more complex than anything that any of the others have done, and unlike any of them except Carson and Paul in Paul's medical practice, he has done so SUCCESSFULLY. Also, some of Trump's projects have failed. Failure is a part of life. Sometimes you lose. When Trump loses and a project goes bankrupt, Trump has a second act. He WINS the bankruptcy proceedings. Things did not go as planned. The ball got dropped. So he draws together a defensive team and fights the defense as masterfully as he generally fights on offense, and he comes out of the bankruptcies the winner. These are not personal bankruptcies, but the failure of speculative corporate chances. Projects are big daring things. Trump takes lots of chances, and he almost always wins. And when his bets fail and the projects are unwound, he fights defense so well he wins the fails too. THAT is success. And to put that together without the power of the law and the courts behind you, to do it in a competitive market, takes leadership. Trump has that in spades, which is why people watch him. He's charismatic. That's why he is on top. If he is elected President, he will, in fact, hire very good people and they will report to him. He will negotiate, twist arms in Congress, and in fights, use the Courts to get what he wants. He has more international experience than anybody running. He runs budgets that count. It is perfectly obvious to an objective, intelligent person that the only man up there who is QUALIFIED to be President is Trump. The last time that either party saw a candidate who was legitimately successful at something and not just a high-school class President turned politician was Ronald Reagan, who was a successful actor and a successful union leader, before turning his charisma into elective office. And the same dull people who don't understand the world who today say "Trump lacks experience", "Trump doesn't know anything about issue x" were saying that about Ronald Reagan back then. Know how Reagan overcame his shortcomings in knowledge? He hired good people. That's what real leaders do. Trump is just exactly right. He's the only one running on either ticket who is qualified to be President, because he is the only one who joins real leadership, success at big things, and charisma. That's what an intelligent person demonstrating confidence in Trump sounds like.
What kind of idiots demonstrate confidence in Obama other than complete imbeciles?
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Uh-huh. A week ago it was Ben Carson.
Yep!! Starting with the clown in the White Hut, and the clown that is speaker of the house, and the clown majority leader in the senate!! They are followed by a long line of such clown azzhats! The only thing any of them are good for is "tree ornaments". Si vis pacem, para bellum
Rand's daddy was a Texas congressman for multiple terms. I wouldn't call Kentucky a republican state. Haven't had a Pubbie governor for years.
Well put Comte.. You should do more political commentary, and give up on the pretence that you're a crackerjack lawyer.. Careful about the ego tho. -- Bad form..
Uh-huh. A week ago it was Ben Carson. " Exactly. The clowns touting that stuff are all ABT's pushing for a GOPe, probably Bush. ABT = Anybody But Trump They are the kind that will cheer on the further demise of our nation. Si vis pacem, para bellum
Yep. Screw the nation. As long as they get theirs while they're alive.
Well, about that. I was responding to a post that asserted that whoever supports Trump is an idiotic imbecile. So my response was designed to answer the challenge, but also to wave a red flag hoping for a bull-charge that would double down on the "idiot!" accusation, which would then permit an eloquent return volley that would both be a pleasure for Trump supporters to read, and also make the repeated charge of "idiocy" look as foolish as it is. As far as the lawyer part goes: I was right - the Sixth Circuit dismissed Davis' appeal. I told you what they were going to do, and why, and that's what they did. I am, in fact, a crackerjack lawyer.
The post-debate poll indicates he went from a 16% lead to a 24% lead. Perhaps he will not lead the field by more than 24%. I know I would rather be Trump leading by 24%, than Jeb! trailing by 30%. Jeb! is going backwards and is made practically irrelevant by Rubio.
The sort who have observed the "accomplishments" of the GOPe and Dem jackass politicians for the past couple of decades.
Fiorina's upside potential is largely by taking votes from Carson, not Trump. If she surges, Carson is weakened and some of his votes go to Fiorina and some to Trump. And Trump goes further ahead of the pack. In any case, if over half the vote is dominated by Trump, Carson and Fiorina, and Carson and Fiorina divide the 2nd and 3rd place votes, Trump gains, and Rubio and Jeb! fight to remain relevant. Rubio will beat Jeb! in that battle. JMHO.
So, you prefer to demonstrate the past performance about the ineptitude of the people to vote for unprincipled politicians to become elected representatives are no different than today by voting for an unprincipled, otherwise non-meaningful politician because of his hairdo? Weird; basically you agreed with my statement.
Also worth mentioning is that he will, by far, be the most adept at using the bully pulpit. He can hold a presser and go to the American public to effectively twist arms in Congress. Yes, precisely. About knowing every arcane name, Reagan commented it was not important if he knew their names. They need to know mine.
Weird; basically you agreed with my statement. No, only you or a moron would agree with your twisted contortion. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Trump's competence and leadership are proven qualities. If his only principles were making money and being rich and successful, and doing the same for the country as president, that's not bad. It would be better than what the politicians have been doing. They have been having anal sex with the country. Perhaps if Trump were to get a Rand Paul perm, you would be happy. Or do you just prefer Hillary? Or Jeb! Because third time's a charm and his brother kept us safe on 9/11 by coming to ground zero rubble and hugging one of the fire fighters who survived.
The US government is too large to vote for with the straegy it will be fixed by anyone in the office of POTUS. Yet, here we find you stumpin' TRUMP. What other names have you voted for in the past that have ensured America's demise?
Trump as opposed to who? Hillary? Jeb!? Trump is at least as qualified as the typical community organizer or career politician.
So you vote for anyone that comes along and suits your fancy of the day? What principles do you use to exercise your vote?
So you will snipe from the sideline while expressing no opinion of your own? That's so liberal! The first priority is to eliminate any whom I do not believe have any place being in the position. Then look at the remainder and determine who might be capable of doing the job. And then pick one of those. Grow a pair, put on your jock strap, step onto the field, and say who you believe is more qualified than Trump to run the enormous corporation known as the United States Government, and why.
Ahh! LQQKIE, lqqie at who is talking. So you choose Trump because ...? His ever-lasting principles to serve the People? My dead-dawg scruffy. At least, he exemplifies the state of the union as opposed to the klowns that say "America can be GREAT again." America died years ago. The only way it can be managed is by a totalitarian government of an elite dictatorship; BTW, it has already achieved this lofty goal; all that remains for your vote is a phantasy of your mind.
Grow a pair, put on your jock strap, step onto the field, and say who you believe is more qualified than Trump to run the enormous corporation known as the United States Government, and why. You have failed to state why your dead-dawg scruffy is qualified to be president, in your scruffy mind, nor why it is more qualified than Donald Trump. You have failed to identify how your dead-dawg scruffy is qualified to lead the "totalitarian government of an elite dictatorship," which you see as a necessity. Indeed, you have made no case why a "totalitarian government of an elite dictatorship" is necessary. I understand it you have no real answers. I really do.
Buckster is a Commie Sanders guy. He is a forum troll. Here to only disrupt... backed and defended by the other agenda posters. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Again, my dead-dawg scruffy. He is already under the ground pushing Up daisies and exemplifies the state of the union. No matter what you believe, such as Trump's slogan: "Make America GREAT again" all you are doing is recoginizing that the USA has declined and believe in nothing more than a voo-doo shaman from NY. The punk has yet to lay out a political planck other than show his eliticism. No one can bring the place back. It has already died.
Buck is a Contrarian.
You just won't man up and admit you have a crush on your favorite candidate.
Post-Debate Poll: Trump Increases Lead; Fiorina Leaps, Carson Sinks
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#3. To: nolu chan (#0)
#4. To: nolu chan (#2)
#5. To: nolu chan (#0)
#6. To: nolu chan (#1)
Trump’s lead increased from +16 points to +24%. That’s an +8% jump.
#7. To: tomder55 (#4)
Trump has peaked .All of the people who can be duped by him already have been.
#8. To: buckeroo (#6)
Trump has peaked .All of the people who can be duped by him already have been.
#9. To: nolu chan (#2)
#10. To: A K A Stone (#8)
You're just mad because if Trump wins your company will not be able to defraud the government and tax payers any more. Thief.
#11. To: buckeroo (#6)
(Edited)
What kind of idiots demonstrate confidence in Trump other than complete imbeciles?
#12. To: buckeroo (#6)
#13. To: nolu chan (#0)
"But Fiorina’s upside potential is growing."
#14. To: rlk (#3)
" We have a surplus of people who dress for success, talk for success, and pose for success, then screw up everything they touch. It's destroying the country. "
#15. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
The only reason I like Paul anyway is because of what he SAYS about liberty and about reducing America's foreign policy footprint. As far as ACHIEVEMENTS go, the man has done nothing but inherit a Senate seat from his father in a Republican state full of rubes.
#16. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
--- the same dull people who don't understand the world who today say "Trump lacks experience", "Trump doesn't know anything about issue x" were saying that about Ronald Reagan back then.
Know how Reagan overcame his shortcomings in knowledge? He hired good people. That's what real leaders do. Trump is just exactly right. --- He's the only one running on either ticket who is qualified to be President, because he is the only one who joins real leadership, success at big things, and charisma.
That's what an intelligent person demonstrating confidence in Trump sounds like.
#17. To: misterwhite (#13)
" "But Fiorina’s upside potential is growing."
#18. To: Stoner (#17)
"They are the kind that will cheer on the further demise of our nation."
#19. To: tpaine (#16)
(Edited)
Careful about the ego tho. -- Bad form..
#20. To: tomder55 (#4)
Trump has peaked .
#21. To: buckeroo (#6)
What kind of idiots demonstrate confidence in Trump other than complete imbeciles?
#22. To: misterwhite (#13)
A week ago it was Ben Carson.
#23. To: nolu chan (#21)
The sort who have observed the "accomplishments" of the GOPe and Dem jackass politicians for the past couple of decades.
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#11)
If he is elected President, he will, in fact, hire very good people and they will report to him. He will negotiate, twist arms in Congress, and in fights, use the Courts to get what he wants. He has more international experience than anybody running. He runs budgets that count.
Know how Reagan overcame his shortcomings in knowledge? He hired good people. That's what real leaders do. Trump is just exactly right.
#25. To: buckeroo (#23)
So, you prefer to demonstrate the past performance about the ineptitude of the people to vote for unprincipled politicians to become elected representatives are no different than today by voting for an unprincipled, otherwise non-meaningful politician because of his hairdo?
#26. To: nolu chan (#25)
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
#27. To: buckeroo (#26)
The US government is too large to vote for with the straegy it will be fixed by anyone in the office of POTUS. Yet, here we find you stumpin' TRUMP.
#28. To: nolu chan (#27)
Trump is at least as qualified as the typical community organizer or career politician.
#29. To: buckeroo (#28)
So you vote for anyone that comes along and suits your fancy of the day? What principles do you use to exercise your vote?
#30. To: nolu chan (#29)
So you will snipe from the sideline while expressing no opinion of your own? That's so liberal!
The first priority is to eliminate any whom I do not believe have any place being in the position. Then look at the remainder and determine who might be capable of doing the job. And then pick one of those.
Grow a pair, put on your jock strap, step onto the field, and say who you believe is more qualified than Trump to run the enormous corporation known as the United States Government, and why.
#31. To: buckeroo (#30)
My dead-dawg scruffy. At least, he exemplifies the state of the union as opposed to the klowns that say "America can be GREAT again." America died years ago. The only way it can be managed is by a totalitarian government of an elite dictatorship; BTW, it has already achieved this lofty goal; all that remains for your vote is a phantasy of your mind.
#32. To: nolu chan (#31)
row a pair, put on your jock strap, step onto the field, and say who you believe is more qualified than Trump to run the enormous corporation known as the United States Government, and why.
#33. To: nolu chan (#31)
Grow a pair, put on your jock strap, step onto the field, and say who you believe is more qualified than Trump to run the enormous corporation known as the United States Government, and why.
#34. To: GrandIsland (#32)
Buckster is a Commie Sanders guy.
#35. To: buckeroo (#33)
Again, my dead-dawg scruffy.
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