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Title: Why Judicial Supremacy Isn’t Compatible with Constitutional Supremacy
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Published: Sep 10, 2015
Author: Ramesh Ponnuru
Post Date: 2015-09-10 12:54:49 by tpaine
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www.nationalreview.com Why Judicial Supremacy Isn’t Compatible with Constitutional Supremacy (NRO; Camrocker/Dreamstime) by Ramesh Ponnuru September 10, 2015 4:00 AM pro-choice voter in New Hampshire had a question for John Kasich, the Republican governor of Ohio, who was making the rounds as a presidential candidate: Would he “respect” Roe v. Wade even though he is a pro-lifer? Kasich answered, “Obviously, it’s the law of the land now, and we live with the law of the land.” Whether he knew it or not, Kasich had wandered into a debate over the courts, one in which some of the other presidential candidates are also participants. Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas, has denounced “judicial tyranny.” When five justices ruled that the Constitution requires governments to recognize same- sex marriage, he scoffed that the Supreme Court was not “the Supreme Being.” It’s an often-heated debate. Huckabee’s side says that the courts have established a “judicial supremacy” at odds with the actual constitutional design; the other side says that people like Huckabee are threatening the rule of law. Both sides have some reasonable points, and both could profit from conducting the debate at a lower level of abstraction. RELATED: The Myth of Judicial Supremacy Huckabee’s side of the argument is of course the weaker one in our political culture. Think of how often people say, without realizing they are making a controversial claim, that abortion is “a constitutional right” or that laws against it are “unconstitutional.” The Supreme Court has ruled to that effect; our shorthand treats its rulings as either correct by definition or authoritative in such a strong sense that we should describe them as though they were. “The Constitution is what the judges say it is,” as Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes said before he was on the Court. Even when arguments about judicial supremacy appear to have no practical import, they lie beneath judgments about how we should talk about judicial decisions. The case against this way of thinking holds that judicial supremacy is incompatible with constitutional supremacy. The courts can get the Constitution wrong; if they could not, there would be no point to justices’ trying to get it right by reasoning about the Constitution. Judicial review, though not explicitly authorized by the Constitution, can be inferred from it: In cases where the courts have to decide whether to apply the Constitution or a statute that conflicts with it, the higher law has to take precedence. The case against judicial supremacy rests on a similar inference: In cases where a judicial interpretation of the Constitution is at odds with the actual document, it is the latter that deserves the allegiance of citizens and officeholders. Kasich is therefore wrong: The Constitution is “the law of the land,” not Roe. (You can look it up in the Constitution’s sixth article.) The strongest argument for judicial supremacy is not that the Constitution commands it. It’s that government cannot work, or work well, if every question of constitutional meaning is up for grabs and that there needs to be a final arbiter. Abraham Lincoln gave due weight to each side in the course of his first inaugural address. He did not, he said, deny that the Supreme Court’s decisions must be binding in any case upon the parties to a suit as to the object of that suit, while they are also entitled to very high respect and consideration in all parallel cases by all other departments of the Government. And while it is obviously possible that such decision may be erroneous in any given case, still the evil effect following it, being limited to that particular case, with the chance that it may be overruled and never become a precedent for other cases, can better be borne than could the evils of a different practice. At the same time, the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the Government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made in ordinary litigation between parties in personal actions the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their Government into the hands of that eminent tribunal. He would defer to the Supreme Court, to a point, but his deference would not be absolute. And so the Lincoln administration did not attempt to undo the Supreme Court’s decision with regard to the parties in Dred Scott v. Sandford but also refused to speak or act as though it were correct. It recognized that blacks could be citizens regardless of that decision, and granted passports and patents accordingly. Lincoln’s words are a great asset to the anti-supremacist side not only because of his moral and historical authority but because they are essentially unanswerable, encompassing as they do what is valid on both sides of the question. RELATED: Judicial Supremacy Has Its Limits: The Court’s Decisions Are Not Binding on the Executive and Congressional Branches Huckabee did not articulate a similarly balanced view, or offer a Lincolnian strategy for responding to the same-sex-marriage decision. Opponents of same-sex marriage have by and large declined to push state-government officials to deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples. In part this may be because so many people accept judicial supremacy; in part because even many opponents of same-sex marriage are not sufficiently adamant about their view to defy the Court; and in part because they do not think this tactic would succeed. Our anti–judicial supremacists are not, then, doing anything that judicial supremacists have any good reason to condemn. At the other end of the debate, too, the judicial supremacists refuse to rule out the practical courses of action that are open to anti-supremacists. RELATED: Constitutional Remedies to a Lawless Supreme Court What, for example, does it mean for someone like Kasich to “live with” Roe as “the law of the land,” or to “respect” it? It doesn’t mean that Kasich agrees with it, or accepts its permanence. A spokesman for him clarified that Kasich “hopes that Roe is overturned.” And maybe more than “hopes”: The last time Kasich ran for president, according to news reports from the time, he said he would nominate “anti-abortion” justices. Back then, he also said he favored a constitutional amendment to undo Roe. The governor’s respect for Roe as the law of the land has not precluded him from signing laws in tension with it, including a ban on abortions after 20 weeks. His behavior and his positions, in short, are indistinguishable from those of an elected official who does not respect Roe much at all and does not wish to live with it. Kasich isn’t the first pro-life politician to speak confusingly of his respect for Roe. John Ashcroft had been a staunchly pro-life senator from Missouri, and in part for that reason he faced strong opposition when the Senate considered his nomination for attorney general in 2001. During the confirmation hearings, he tried to defuse the issue by saying that while he thought Roe, “as an original matter, was wrongly decided,” he would “enforce the law as it is, not as I would have it. I accept Roe and Casey as the settled law of the land. If confirmed as attorney general, I will follow the law in this area and in all other areas.” No senator thought to ask him what it would mean for an attorney general to “enforce” or “follow” Roe, which provides no instructions to the Justice Department. Did it mean he would send U.S. marshals to deal with any state legislature that tried to prohibit abortion? Ashcroft also said during the hearings that he would not ask the Court to overturn Roe, but offered the rationale that it was unlikely to take up any such invitation. He would “follow” Roe in this way, in other words, because there was no point in trying not to follow it. He neither said nor implied that the administration of George H. W. Bush had been flouting “the law as it is” when it asked the Supreme Court to reverse Roe. RELATED: Ayatollah Roberts and His Sharia Council There are circumstances in which “obedience” to the Court, or belief in the Court’s supremacy, could make a practical difference. Thirteen years ago a federal appeals court ruled that it was unconstitutional for a public school to make students listen to the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance. The Republican House voted to take away the federal courts’ jurisdiction to hear constitutional challenges to the recitation of the Pledge. The House was acting pursuant to Article III of the Constitution. Its first section gives Congress the power to create the inferior courts, which implies a power to determine the scope and limits of their jurisdiction. Its second section gives Congress the power to make “Exceptions” and “Regulations” to the Supreme Court’s appellate jurisdiction. People who believe that it’s important for the courts to have the last say on the vast majority of questions of constitutional interpretation will resist reading those provisions of the Constitution to permit Congress to deny them that say. That’s a tough charge. But it’s one that is also made by several of the dissenting justices in the marriage case. And Justice Anthony Kennedy’s majority opinion didn’t work very hard to make a constitutional argument for its conclusion — as even some strong supporters of the result have noted. The same is true of the Court’s abortion jurisprudence: Even academics who are glad to see abortion treated as a constitutional right cannot generally bring themselves to defend the reasoning of Roe. When the Court makes an illegitimate ruling, those who recognize its illegitimacy may have to live with practical limits on their ability to undo it. If a ruling has earned no more respect than that, however, politicians and others should give not give it any — lest they make the very mistake against which Lincoln warned. — Ramesh Ponnuru is a senior editor of National Review. This article originally appeared in the September 21, 2015, issue of National Review. * National Review magazine content is typically available only to paid subscribers. 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#1. To: tpaine, All (#0)
When the Court makes an illegitimate ruling, those who recognize its illegitimacy may have to live with practical limits on their ability to undo it. If a ruling has earned no more respect than that, however, politicians and others should give not give it any — lest they make the very mistake against which Lincoln warned. We live in very unsettled times with respect to the meaning, if not supremacy of the U.S. Consitution. This is an interesting article but all it really says IMO is that one should continue to fight to have a ruling overturned/reversed while resisting the implementation of the ruling to the maximum extent possible. However the ultimate resolution of the issue will inevitably come down to the principle of Might Makes Right. And Might rests with the Executive Branch of our government. And the Executive Branch is elected by.....you guessed it.....We The People. And more and more these days We The People have been electing more of an Emperor than a representative of the people - and demand if not expect, the Emperor to wield a big enough club to assure adherence to his rulings. In other words, the Great Experiment is dead. Welcome to the New World. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Your comment: -- We live in very unsettled times with respect to the meaning, if not supremacy of the U.S. Consitution. This is an interesting article but all it really says IMO is that one should continue to fight to have a ruling overturned/reversed while resisting the implementation of the ruling to the maximum extent possible. I think it says that we should actively resist implementation of illegitimate opinions, as they are NOT 'rulings'. And it is the duty of our officials in every branch of every level of govt, -- and the duty of the people, --- to resist the false 'principle' that might makes right. The republic, and the Constitution, are not dead. Welcome to the real world..
And it is the duty of our officials in every branch of every level of govt, -- and the duty of the people, --- to resist the false 'principle' that might makes right. Tell that to Congress that has continually allowed the Executive to become the Office of the Emperor and We The Peopl who continue to elect Congressional incumbents over and over and over again until they die and then to be replaced in kind. "The republic, and the Constitution, are not dead. Welcome to the real world." What color is the sky in your world? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
And it is the duty of our officials in every branch of every level of govt, -- and the duty of the people, --- to resist the false 'principle' that might makes right. They've been told ad nauseam. -- The fact remains that might does not make right, and its up to the rest of us to fight that fight. "The republic, and the Constitution, are not dead. Welcome to the real world." Blue... Is yours yellow?
Be my guest and start the revolution without me because the battle for what you foolishly, if not ignorantly, want to wage has already been lost. It was lost when We The People decided that the Consitution is a "living" document and subject to interpretation of the times. Your silly Rambo bravado aside, there is little-to-nothing you or I can do about that. You may take you place with Kim Davis in the Hall Of Inane, Meaningless Gestures. I choose to fight battles that can be won and on my terms. FYI I totally support smart and effective acts of civil disobedience. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
According to Jeb!'s pappy, you should have declared "New World Order." As a recommendation, get with the program.
The republic, and the Constitution, are not dead. Welcome to the real world." Blue... Is yours yellow? The fact remains that might does not make right, and its up to the rest of us to fight that fight. Prattle on in your defeatism.. There millions of us that disagree with you yellow sky defeatists. Calling me a Rambo only highlights your cowardly attitude. The terms of cowardice will never win. Your 'bravado' is noted, but I'd bet nobody here believes you.
Your 'bravado' is noted, but I'd bet nobody here believes you. I doubt that you ever walked the walk, Rambo wannabe. You are the kind that leads from behind. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
In general I am not a joiner but tell me about this program of yours. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Don't you mean Old World? Welcome to the New World. Don't you mean Old World? THe Old World to me is the U.S. of my grandfathers, father and my youth. That world is gone and it ain't comin' back. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Your 'bravado' is noted, but I'd bet nobody here believes you,--- simply because of your defeatist attitude in one post, then the opposite in the next... I served three years back in the 50's with the 11th Airborne Div. --- How bout you ?
In the rear no doubt. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
I served three years back in the 50's with the 11th Airborne Div. --- How bout you ? Nope, I was on the line, stationed in Munich, but my infantry company spent a lot of time in the field at Grafenwhor and Hohenfels.. How bout you 'Rambo'?
The 50's? You must be the toughest 80 year old you know. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
The Old World to me means no freedom, no promise of better times, no future and a free ride back to the good old past. Where everybody is under control of dick taters, monarchies, oligarchies, faux religious figures etc, etc.
You should know by now older people aren't going to argue with you or threaten you they'll just shoot and walk away. I think that has to do with being sick and damned tired of seeing the same old schitt, and nobody learning from any mistakes they've made or their friends/family has made... The 50's? You must be the toughest 80 year old you know. Your envy and personal insecurity is showing,He Man. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Not sure it would be necessary to shoot GI. He's retired now and doesn't have 200 armed cops to show up to back him up,so a few harsh words in the proper tone would probably have him crying and begging for forgiveness. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I served three years back in the 50's with the 11th Airborne Div. --- How bout you ? I'll be 79 on Dec 5th. And I'm far from being as tough as some of my 80ish hunting buddies. -- But most of them haven't had two bouts with cancer, either.. How bout you, your grandiosity? -- Are you a tough guy?
So you had just turned 5 years old when Pearl Harbor was bombed. Do you remember where you were?
I'll be 79 on Dec 5th. Sure do, -- we were at home in Gladstone Minn, about to sit down to Sunday dinner. Spent the rest of the day glued to the radio.
I can be... but now I just sit, watch and wait. No need, lately. I'm liking retirement. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Me too, -- but gee, if only I could be a cool tough guy like you and soso..
Just be happy, at your age, your blood pressure is above zero... and if you carry conceal 24/7... and practice A LOT, you're gonna be just as formidable as a much younger, tougher person. It's all good. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Sorry, I had no idea that you grew up in the USSR. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
To get back on topic, soso claimed: --- I think it says that we should actively resist implementation of illegitimate opinions, as they are NOT 'rulings'. And it is the duty of our officials in every branch of every level of govt, -- and the duty of the people, --- to resist the false 'principle' that might makes right. Do you agree that 'might makes right' is a false principle, one that is NOT compatible with the true principles of our Constitution?
Sorry, I had no idea that you grew up in the USSR. Nope, but I see you do know where the Old World is anywhere that condones what I listed above... So have you ever been out of the continental US??? When are you going to get a clue? Of course I agree that it is not compatible with the principles of the U.S, COnsitution. Let's stop all this BS between us, OK? All I am saying is that We The People have allowed the dilution of the principles of the Constitution as intended by our Founding Fathers almost from the beginning but certainly majorly so in the past 50-60 years and even to higher degree in the past 8 years or so. The fact is that almost 1/2 of We The People have no cultural, intellectual, educational, emotional, and perhaps even empathy (much less acceptance) for the principles envisioned by our FF. With each cut, nibbling on the edge, bastardization of meaning, allowance for subjective interpretation and ruling of SCOTUS the Consitution has less weight as an anchor for the founding principles of the country. And let's get this straight, when our generation dies out there will be no-one around to even raise a defense against the rape of the Consitution that will assuredly continue. No-one left will know any different. In this context the reality is that might in fact has made right and will continue to do so simply becuase We The People will allow it to be so. Our generation's chance to draw the line in the sand was 30-50 years ago. We failed. IMO collectively we were cowards. We were afraid of being called names. We turned inward toward pursuits of feathering our own nests and consoled ourself by rationalizing that there was nothing that I can do about it - besides I am too busy making a living. We let the leftist, secular progressives take control of not only the media but our schools. We cowarded to political correctness. This is to our shame. Now there is precious litlle that we can do about as our turn at bat is over. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Do you agree that 'might makes right' is a false principle, one that is NOT compatible with the true principles of our Constitution? OK. ---- Thanks for stopping the BS.....
Here's a good example of the Old World I'm talking about... "Witch Doctor Business Booms as 30,000 Lose Jobs in Zimbabwe" But it’s one that is also made by several of the dissenting justices in the marriage case. And Justice Anthony Kennedy’s majority opinion didn’t work very hard to make a constitutional argument for its conclusion — as even some strong supporters of the result have noted. The same is true of the Court’s abortion jurisprudence: Even academics who are glad to see abortion treated as a constitutional right cannot generally bring themselves to defend the reasoning of Roe.
#2. To: SOSO (#1)
The article: -- When the Court makes an illegitimate ruling, those who recognize its illegitimacy may have to live with practical limits on their ability to undo it. If a ruling has earned no more respect than that, however, politicians and others should give not give it any — lest they make the very mistake against which Lincoln warned.
However the ultimate resolution of the issue will inevitably come down to the principle of Might Makes Right. And Might rests with the Executive Branch of our government.
And the Executive Branch is elected by.....you guessed it.....We The People. And more and more these days We The People have been electing more of an Emperor than a representative of the people - and demand if not expect, the Emperor to wield a big enough club to assure adherence to his rulings. --- In other words, the Great Experiment is dead. Welcome to the New World.
#3. To: tpaine (#2)
However the ultimate resolution of the issue will inevitably come down to the principle of Might Makes Right. And Might rests with the Executive Branch of our government.
#4. To: SOSO (#3)
--- the ultimate resolution of the (supremacy) issue will inevitably come down to the principle of Might Makes Right. And Might rests with the Executive Branch of our government.
Tell that to Congress that has continually allowed the Executive to become the Office of the Emperor and We The Peopl who continue to elect Congressional incumbents over and over and over again until they die and then to be replaced in kind.
What color is the sky in your world?
#5. To: tpaine (#4)
The fact remains that might does not make right, and its up to the rest of us to fight that fight.
#6. To: SOSO (#1)
(Edited)
In other words, the Great Experiment is dead. Welcome to the New World.
#7. To: SOSO (#5)
What color is the sky in your world?
Be my guest and start the revolution without me because the battle for what you foolishly, if not ignorantly, want to wage has already been lost.
It was lost when We The People decided that the Consitution is a "living" document and subject to interpretation of the times.
Your silly Rambo bravado aside,
--- there is little-to-nothing you or I can do about that. You may take you place with Kim Davis in the Hall Of Inane, Meaningless Gestures. I choose to fight battles that can be won and on my terms.
FYI I totally support smart and effective acts of civil disobedience.
#8. To: tpaine (#7)
FYI I totally support smart and effective acts of civil disobedience.
#9. To: buckeroo (#6)
As a recommendation, get with the program.
#10. To: SOSO (#1)
Welcome to the New World.
#11. To: CZ82 (#10)
#12. To: SOSO (#8)
----start the revolution without me because the battle for what you foolishly, if not ignorantly, want to wage has already been lost.
FYI I totally support smart and effective acts of civil disobedience.
I doubt that you ever walked the walk, Rambo wannabe. You are the kind that leads from behind.
#13. To: tpaine (#12)
served three years back in the 50's with the 11th Airborne Div. --- How bout you ?
#14. To: SOSO (#13)
In the rear no doubt.
#15. To: tpaine (#14)
I served three years back in the 50's with the 11th Airborne Div. --- How bout you ?
#16. To: SOSO (#11)
#17. To: GrandIsland, tpaine, sneakypete (#15)
You must be the toughest 80 year old you know.
#18. To: GrandIsland (#15)
I served three years back in the 50's with the 11th Airborne Div. --- How bout you ?
#19. To: CZ82 (#17)
You should know by now older people aren't going to argue with you or threaten you they'll just shoot and walk away.
#20. To: GrandIsland (#15)
The 50's? --- You must be the toughest 80 year old you know.
#21. To: tpaine (#20)
I'll be 79 on Dec 5th.
#22. To: nativist nationalist (#21)
So you had just turned 5 years old when Pearl Harbor was bombed. Do you remember where you were ?
#23. To: tpaine (#20)
How bout you, your grandiosity? -- Are you a tough guy?
#24. To: GrandIsland (#23)
'm liking retirement.
#25. To: tpaine (#24)
but gee, if only I could be a cool tough guy like you and soso..
#26. To: CZ82 (#16)
The Old World to me means no freedom, no promise of better times, no future and a free ride back to the good old past. Where everybody is under control of dick taters, monarchies, oligarchies, faux religious figures etc, etc.
#27. To: SOSO (#26)
(Edited)
We live in very unsettled times with respect to the meaning, if not supremacy of the U.S. Consitution. This is an interesting article but all it really says IMO is that one should continue to fight to have a ruling overturned/reversed while resisting the implementation of the ruling to the maximum extent possible.
However the ultimate resolution of the issue will inevitably come down to the principle of Might Makes Right. And Might rests with the Executive Branch of our government.
#28. To: SOSO (#26)
The Old World to me means no freedom, no promise of better times, no future and a free ride back to the good old past. Where everybody is under control of dick taters, monarchies, oligarchies, faux religious figures etc, etc.
#29. To: tpaine (#27)
Do you agree that 'might makes right' is a false principle, one that is NOT compatible with the true principles of our Constitution?
#30. To: SOSO (#29)
When are you going to get a clue? Of course I agree that it is not compatible with the principles of the U.S, COnsitution. Let's stop all this BS between us, OK?
#31. To: SOSO (#26)
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