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Title: National Review’s Jonah Goldberg: ‘Count Me Out’ of Any Conservative Movement with Donald Trump
Source: Brietbart
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa ... ve-movement-with-donald-trump/
Published: Sep 8, 2015
Author: Ben Shapiro
Post Date: 2015-09-08 14:48:17 by Rufus T Firefly
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Views: 12059
Comments: 46

On Saturday, National Review senior editor Jonah Goldberg penned a controversial column in which he rejected Donald Trump and his followers from the conservative movement. “Well, if this is the conservative movement now, I guess you’re going to have to count me out,” Goldberg writes.

Goldberg goes on to suggest that the embrace of Trump perverts conservatism itself, broadening the definition of the movement in order to include Trump.

Goldberg, whom I consider a friend and a brilliant commentator, is right to label Trump insufficiently conservative. I have specifically argued that Trump ought not be the nominee thanks to his insufficient conservatism—so has Michelle Malkin, so have numerous other conservative commentators.

But here is the sad truth: Many of the same people appalled by Trump made Trump’s candidacy possible.

Trump is a product of a conservatism-less Republicanism, prepared for and championed by the intellectual elites who told us to ignore Mitt Romney’s creation of Romneycare and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) 43% ’s campaign finance reform, who told conservatives to shut up and get in line, who explained that conservatives had to throw over Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) 96% and his government shutdowns in favor of Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) 52% and his pathological inability to take a hard stand against President Obama using the tools at his disposal.

Over at National Review, even as Goldberg condemns Trump for his non-conservatism, another columnist simultaneously urges a ticket with Governor “God Told Me To Use Obamacare Money To Expand Medicaid” John Kasich (R-OH) and Sen. Marco “Immigration Gang of Eight” Rubio (R-FL). Goldberg himself championed Romney’s candidacy because he wasn’t a conservative, writing back in 2012:

Even if Romney is a Potemkin conservative (a claim I think has merit but is also exaggerated), there is an instrumental case to be made for him: It is better to have a president who owes you than to have one who claims to own you. A President Romney would be on a very short leash.

Why wouldn’t the same logic apply to Trump?

And while Goldberg today raps Trump on the knuckles for his support of socialized medicine, going so far as to label opposition to such policy a “core tenet of American conservatism from Day One,” Goldberg used Romneycare as a point in favor of Romney in 2012: “He is a man of duty and purpose. He was told to ‘fix’ health care in ways Massachusetts would like… He did it all. The man does his assignments.”

Goldberg today says that Trump doesn’t deserve to be a part of the conservative movement, and his followers have excised themselves from the conservative community. But in 2012, he warned that anyone saying the same of Mitt Romney threatened the possibility of conservative victory. In 2012, Goldberg explicitly opposed purges and purity tests:

That’s certainly reason enough to be mad at the establishment. But replacing the current leadership with even more ardent, passionate and uncompromising conservatives is far from a guaranteed formula for making the Republican Party more popular or powerful. To do that, the GOP needs to persuade voters to become a little more conservative, not to hector already-conservative politicians to become even more pure as they go snipe-hunting for the Rockefeller Republicans.

What requirements did Mitt Romney, and John Kasich, and John McCain, and Mitch McConnell fulfill that Trump does not? Goldberg is right that Trump has “no ideological guardrails whatsoever” when it comes to taxes and “knows less than most halfway-decent DC interns about foreign policy.” Goldberg could have added that Trump has made an enormous amount of money utilizing eminent domain, that he supports affirmative action, and that he opposes free trade, among other pernicious positions. There is a reason that this weekend full-fledged economic idiot Paul Krugman endorsed Trump’s economic policies.

The question is: Why are so many Republicans backing him? There are two answers: first, he’s tough on illegal immigration, the only issue many conservatives believe matters. The second answer is more telling, however: Trump has heavy support because Republicans rejected ideological purity a long time ago. And here’s the irony: Goldberg and others can’t call Tea Partiers to Jesus on Trump because, according to polls, Tea Partiers don’t support Trump in outsized numbers. The reality is that the same people who don’t like ideological litmus tests support Trump. Just a few weeks back, the Washington Post concluded that Trump’s fans “are more moderate than Tea Partiers were,” significantly more likely to call themselves Republicans than Tea Partiers were, far younger and less religious and blue collar than Tea Partiers.

As Sallah from Raiders of the Lost Ark would put it, “Jonah, you’re digging in the wrong place.”

If you want to target Trump supporters for failing to take conservatism seriously, try starting with those who don’t take conservatism seriously. Most of them were trained in the acceptability of “victory before conservatism” Republicanism by the some of the same folks now deriding the poll-leading Trump.

I’ve lived this story before: I’m from California. Trump is Arnold Schwarzenegger without the Austrian accent. He’s a know-nothing with a huge name and a Teflon personality, and people get behind him because he’s a celebrity and because victory matters more than principle. I know that’s so, because I made the same mistake with regard to Schwarzenegger, explicitly endorsing him in spite of his insufficient conservatism on the grounds that voters in California would get used to voting Republican.

That was a failure. Schwarzenegger was terrible, and what followed him was a shift to radical leftism unthinkable in the early days of his candidacy. I learned that lesson, and in January 2012, I said that the conservative embrace of Mitt Romney would pervert the movement itself, in the same way Goldberg now accuses Trump of perverting conservatism:

Yes, defeating horrible politicians like Barack Obama is the top goal — but that doesn’t justify redefining conservatism entirely…. When we deliberately broaden conservatism to encompass government-forced purchase of health insurance or raising taxes or appointing liberal judges or enforcing same-sex marriage or using taxpayer money to bail out business or pushing trade barriers, we destroy conservatism from within. If we do that, why would our politicians even bother to pay lip service to the standard?

Like Goldberg, I fear the same from Trump: I fear that he’ll be a wild card with no governing principle, that even if he were to win, he’d irrevocably split conservatism. But I also recognize that Trump isn’t a departure for Republicans abandoning principle: he’s the political love child of Mitt Romney and Barack Obama, a combination of the non-conservative “victory mentality” and the arrogance of a dictatorial left many conservatives want to see countered with fire.

In sum, I’m happy to welcome establishment Republicans who want to revivify conservative litmus tests to the party. But from now on, let’s be consistent: if we’re going to oust Trump based on his ideology, those requirements can’t be waived for others.

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#12. To: Rufus T Firefly (#0)

And here’s the irony: Goldberg and others can’t call Tea Partiers to Jesus on Trump because, according to polls, Tea Partiers don’t support Trump in outsized numbers. The reality is that the same people who don’t like ideological litmus tests support Trump. Just a few weeks back, the Washington Post concluded that Trump’s fans “are more moderate than Tea Partiers were,” significantly more likely to call themselves Republicans than Tea Partiers were, far younger and less religious and blue collar than Tea Partiers.

I've pointed out the same. It isn't the Tea folk who are to blame for Trump. Apparently, they see through his schtick. It's more the rank-and-file regular Republicans who are attracted to Trump. Trump does have a lot of LIV support, mostly due to his celebrity.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-09   6:18:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#12)

"It isn't the Tea folk who are to blame for Trump."

I see. Instead, the Tea Party is supporting .... hmmm, who ARE they supporting if not Trump? A "real" conservative I bet, who's going to dominate the primaries and sweep the election.

And that would be ....?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-09-09   10:15:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: misterwhite, TooConservative (#14)

I see. Instead, the Tea Party is supporting .... hmmm, who ARE they supporting if not Trump?

Disenfranchised of both parties. The people sick of the SOS different election. They really are not progressives in either party or conservatives in the GOP.

The reason why he is getting so many black votes is because these are people who see what the illegal aliens are doing to their community when it comes to jobs.

He is getting the southern voter[of any race] who are tired of the invasion of illegal aliens from south of the border.

Just this one topic will get at least 25% of the vote.

Justified  posted on  2015-09-09   10:46:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Justified (#20)

Disenfranchised of both parties. The people sick of the SOS different election. They really are not progressives in either party or conservatives in the GOP.

At present, it's all name recognition. Only Bush has anything remotely comparable to Trump's name recognition and not in a good way as the Bush name is pretty trashed due to Dumbya's wars.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-09   10:50:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: TooConservative (#23)

At present, it's all name recognition.

I see this as where the GOP is wrong about Trump. They think its just his name that is getting people behind him and as soon as they realize what his message is they will leave him. He is just a short term fad that will burn out. Its not[remember Barack Insane Obama?]. Its his message that is getting people behind him from both parties. Its his take no prisoner attitude that makes them stay. Until others move this way, which many of the GOP can not, they will not catch him in the polls. He will be the GOP nominee unless something big breaks.

Justified  posted on  2015-09-09   11:07:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Justified (#25)

Its his message that is getting people behind him from both parties.

I've seen no polling indicating that Trump is drawing support from Dem voters. He is mostly getting support from the bread-and-butter, cradle Republican types who are LIVs. Also, he's drawing in a fair number of voters who haven't participated in years, mostly the old Perot Reform Party types.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-09   12:39:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: TooConservative (#38)

I've seen no polling indicating that Trump is drawing support from Dem voters.

Black voters? Blacks vote at near 100% for democrats and he is getting 25% of the black vote? He is getting 40% of the hispanic vote. I think GW only got 30% of the hispanic vote and nearly nothing from the black vote.

" He is mostly getting support from the bread-and-butter, cradle Republican types who are LIVs."

He is getting the pissed off vote that feel no one is listening and yes some of the lesser crowd. This is were the GOP is screwing up. Call it pride or disbelief but people have heard nothing but talk from the political types since before I was born and only Reagan backed up some of his talk. In other words talk is cheap actions are truth.

" Also, he's drawing in a fair number of voters who haven't participated in years, mostly the old Perot Reform Party types. "

I would say a good portion but Trump is doing what Reagan did and digging into the dims side.

Unless the gop can derail Trump he will be the nominee and it will only be the GOP establishments fault for not listening to the people.

Justified  posted on  2015-09-09   13:06:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Justified (#41)

Black voters? Blacks vote at near 100% for democrats and he is getting 25% of the black vote? He is getting 40% of the hispanic vote. I think GW only got 30% of the hispanic vote and nearly nothing from the black vote.

Really? What state has voted?

I think these polls are highly overrated and may be hopelessly compromised now. I think there are indications that people in large numbers routinely lie to pollsters. And many polls are self-selected online polls or robocall polls now, not decent samples of people carefully selected to be representative.

The only way that Trump could possibly attract such high black/brown support would be his celeb status. But I don't believe he'll ever get such support, not in the primaries and not in the general.

I would say a good portion but Trump is doing what Reagan did and digging into the dims side.

A very different political era. I'm not sure how the electoral map that Reagan had is very relevant. Most of the Reagan Dems have died out. Many states have realigned from one party to the other, mostly going Blue or Purple.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-09   13:35:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TooConservative (#42)

The only way that Trump could possibly attract such high black/brown support would be his celeb status. But I don't believe he'll ever get such support, not in the primaries and not in the general.

The reason for the minority vote is that he claims he will do something about the illegal alien problem other than lip service. Blacks know they lose jobs to illegal aliens. Hispanic are the ones being harmed by illegal aliens because 85% plus of all crime on a race is done by the same race. Then old established hispanics are being forced to compete against new illegal aliens.

Dismiss Trump at your own liability. You want to understand why trump is kicking ass then read "An Open Letter To Jonah Goldberg – RE: The GOP and Donald Trump" on this site.

I think Cruz would be better but if faced with Trump or progressive from either party give me Trump. At least I have a chance with Trump. I have no chance with a progressive from either party.

Justified  posted on  2015-09-09   13:47:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Justified (#43)

The reason for the minority vote is that he claims he will do something about the illegal alien problem other than lip service. Blacks know they lose jobs to illegal aliens. Hispanic are the ones being harmed by illegal aliens because 85% plus of all crime on a race is done by the same race. Then old established hispanics are being forced to compete against new illegal aliens.

I hear this claim. I'll believe it when it happens in voting booths. While there has been some growth in the GOP in the under-30 Hispanics and blacks, I've seen nothing to support a claim that 25% are suddenly willing to register and vote Republican.

So it's possible, I guess. But it does sound like wishful thinking. It reminds me of all those elections where it was proclaimed to finally be the Year of the Woman. Or the year that Jews will finally vote Republican out of their common interest in Israel. The only problem is that it never happens.

Show me the votes.

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