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Status: Not Logged In; Sign In Business See other Business Articles Title: Muslim flight attendant: I was suspended for not serving alcohol Source: CBS URL Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/muslim- ... t-expressjet-airlines-alcohol/ Published: Sep 3, 2015 Author: CBS Staff Post Date: 2015-09-06 09:37:11 by cranky Keywords: None Views: 51960 Comments: 251 A Muslim flight attendant filed a complaint with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission claiming she was suspended from her job for not serving alcohol, which is against her religious beliefs, CBS Detroit station WWJ-AM reports. Lena Masri, an attorney for the Council on American-Islamic Relations Michigan, said Charee Stanley followed management's directions, working out an arrangement with her coworkers to accommodate passenger requests for alcohol. However, Masri said, ExpressJet Airlines put Stanley on administrative leave after another attendant filed "an Islamophobic complaint" that referenced Stanley's head scarf. "We notified ExpressJet Airlines of its obligation under the law to reasonably accommodate Ms. Stanley's religious beliefs," Masri said at a news conference in Farmington Hills on Tuesday. "Instead, ExpressJet close to violate Ms. Stanely's constitutional rights, placed her on administrative leave for 12 months, after which her employment may be administratively terminated." Masri said the arrangement Stanley had with other attendants to serve alcohol for her had been working out fine since Stanley converted to Islam about a month after becoming a flight attendant for ExpressJet. "I don't think that I should have to choose between practicing my religion properly or earning a living," Stanley said. "I shouldn't have to choose between one or the other because they're both important." Contacted by WWJ-AM for comment, airline spokesman Jarek Beem responded with the following statement: "At ExpressJet, we embrace and respect the values of all of our team members. We are an equal opportunity employer with a long history of diversity in our workforce. As Ms. Stanley is an employee, we are not able to comment on her personnel matters." The Islamic-relations council is America's largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy organization with the mission "to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American Muslims and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual understanding." Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Comments (1-177) not displayed.       .       .       . #178. To: buckeroo (#174) Why is everyone making special accommodations for sodomites? My knowledge of the existence of God is based on direct personal revelation and miracle. I have fleshed out my understanding of who God is and his historical interaction with people through the Jewish, Christian and Muslim Scriptures, and by considering also certain Vedic and Bhuddist writings. God is. That I know directly. Likewise, I know that America is, today, because I live in it. For me to know God or America BEFORE my immediate time, and to understand what each means more profoundly, I have to read. Hebrew, Christian and Muslim writings are the most accurate sources of information about the particular God who talked to me and saved my life by miracle. That's my concept of God. Culture's got nothing to do with it. In fact, as I read I have to control for culture and strain it out, so that can discern what God himself says and does from the cultural reactions and writings about it. If you really want to argue with me about what I believe, then you need to start with the proper factual basis. My concept of God is not cultural. Id ton't think that Judaism is the most profound religion on the planet. Catholicism is. My view of God has everything to do with objectivity and the desire to absolutely precise.. The world around us is the God-made proving ground for all ideas. I more than ignore cultural experience. When speaking of God, I actively denigrate it and shred its dignity, and claim that culture must always be thrown away as evil garbage whenever and wherever it conflicts with the pure moral pronouncements of God. You will not find a person more hostile to culture as a normative force than me. Culture is entertainment, food styles, art. But as a basis for law, it is shit. All of it. Including American. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   13:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #179. To: Vicomte13 (#178) My knowledge of the existence of God is based on direct personal revelation and miracle. That is a fairly limited perspective. What sets mankind apart from all other animals on the planet is the respect for the dead; hence a reverence of a creator. Mankind is the only animal on the planet that buries the dead. This has been going on for millions of years and is not limited to any Jewish tradition. buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   14:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #180. To: buckeroo (#179) (Edited) That is a fairly limited perspective. Yes. Like Galileo's. He looked through a telescope and all he really saw were the moons of Jupiter. Which is really just a little thing, objectively speaking. So, Jupiter has moons. Who knew? Now Galileo knew. But one little objective fact that other people don't know, or don't know for sure, can change everything. Depends on what the fact is, and what mind has it in its possession. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   15:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #181. To: Vicomte13 (#180) You consistently discuss "God" as though the Jews invented the creature. That is your problem, not mine. buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   15:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #182. To: buckeroo (#145) Oh Horseshit! Incest has been an issue since the begiining of time; the probability of children being born with inferior capabilities is well known and understood well before any Jews. Exactly. That was one of the prime reasons different prehistoric tribes attacked one another,and took children and young women captive. They understood they needed to deepen the gene pool if the tribe was going to survive. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #183. To: Vicomte13 (#150) (Edited) And anyway, with Cain, we're talking about our grandfather, because all of us are descended from him. There were eight people on the Ark: Noah and his wife Naamah, and their three sons. Everybody descends from one of those sons, and the sons descend from Noah and Naamah. So, Noah and Naamah are our last common grandparents. Some people will believe anything. BTW,which one of Eve's daughters was humping the go-rilla that fathered the Neanderthalls? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #184. To: Vicomte13 (#152) Incest was required at the beginning of the species. Always is for all species. It's the nature of things. Unless of course life springs up independently in several places in a short span (relatively speaking) of time,which it does. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:06:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #185. To: redleghunter (#158) she serves the smelly Muslims on the flight. Everyone wins. Not unless she is serving them that sweet-tasting exotic western drink called "Anti-Freeze". I could really get behind that one. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:09:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #186. To: redleghunter (#159) That seems to be an option. Or the sodomites could have went to another county. Either would have worked,but the HOMOSEXUALS (I seriously doubt either of those Lesbians were sodomites) never took an oath or public money to obey the laws of the state and the US Constitution. In other words,the woman in jail is the only one that was under any obligation,both legal as well as moral. She is in effect STEALING the public's money by virtue of fraud because she took money to perform a job she refused to do. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #187. To: redleghunter (#160) It was illegal in KY for sodomite marriage prior to the SCOTUS ruling. She was elected prior to that. How does that make any difference when it comes to what she did that got her locked up? Was somebody forcing her against her will to not resign Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:13:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #188. To: Vicomte13 (#161) Nevertheless at our origins we were in one place, alongside a body of water, eating shellfish. HorseHillary! There is absolutely no proof at all of that being true. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:14:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #189. To: sneakypete (#187) Was somebody forcing her against her will to not resign If she resigned she would lose her manna from goobermint paycheck. Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-07   16:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #190. To: Fred Mertz (#189) If she resigned she would lose her manna from goobermint paycheck. Not only that,but she would lose out on the book deal and the speaking tour to fundie churches. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   16:19:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #191. To: buckeroo (#181) You consistently discuss "God" as though the Jews invented the creature. That is your problem, not mine. I have no particular problem at all. You merely have a problem comprehending me. We have not been generically discussing God. We have specifically, on this thread and others, been discussing aspects of the moral law revealed by God. If we were looking at physics, chemistry, astronomy and biology, we would not be discussing the moral law at all. God has a law of physics also, and we would be discussing that. God first revealed his detailed moral law directly to Moses, and through him, to the Hebrews. Ancient Israel was the only human state that God ever ruled DIRECTLY, so by studying his laws, we study the statecraft of the King of Kings, and we discover various subtle provisions that God put in place that the Hebrews, at their level of development, could not even understand. They simply had to DO them. With our greater knowledge, we can see what God was addressing - for example, with the cleanliness laws. Jesus modifies the Jewish law and takes it out to the whole world. Still, this particular law is the only one that came from God, and that's why we have to study the Hebrew Torah: it's the only place where God himself laid out a complete law for mankind. All other law codes are man groping forward based on his own will, enlightened by God, perhaps, on a detail or two, but ultimately focused downward on material things and power. God's law alone keeps our eyes lifted off the dirt to understand that the reason WHY we must do these things that are hard is for our own ultimate good, because it pleases God. The Jewish cultural aspects of God's law are pretty irrelevant. That the Jews (partly) followed God's law for so long caused his law to form the structures of their part of their culture, so there is an affinity between aspects of God's law and Jewish culture, though they are long estranged. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:29:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #192. To: sneakypete (#188) There is absolutely no proof at all of that being true. Well, there actually is. But you won't take a scientific tone but an angry emotional one. This stuff plays around with your superstitions. And I'm not so much up for a spit and vomit bath today, so I think I'll pass. Maybe another time. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #193. To: sneakypete (#184) Human life did not spring up in a short time over a variety of places. Our chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA trace backwards to a singular origin. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:32:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #194. To: Vicomte13 (#191) [We] been discussing aspects of the moral law revealed by God. And morality is not confined to Judeo-Christian religions. buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #195. To: Vicomte13 (#193) Our chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA trace backwards to a singular origin. Where is this place? Shangra-la? buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #196. To: sneakypete (#183) BTW,which one of Eve's daughters was humping the go-rilla that fathered the Neanderthalls? We don't know the names of any of Eve's daughters. We may know the names of some of the spirits that mated with them to spin off some odd progeny, however. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #197. To: buckeroo (#195) Looks like somewhere in East Africa or the Middle East. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:40:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #198. To: buckeroo (#194) And morality is not confined to Judeo-Christian religions. True enough. Morality is the set of social customs. The moral law revealed by God is the only true one that will lead to mankind's ultimate happiness, will cause him to please God, and will give him a place in the City of God in the afterlife, though. That's why it's the only one worth focusing on. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   16:41:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #199. To: Vicomte13 (#191) With our greater knowledge, we can see what God was addressing - for example, with the cleanliness laws. We can? Show comparative examples from around the world based on historic evidence. Here is one example: If it wasn't for Marco Polo bringing back Chinease knowledge about how to wipe our own asses (circa ~1300), the Christians and the Jews would have still been a stinky lot of folk. buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #200. To: Vicomte13 (#198) (Edited) The moral law revealed by God is the only true one that will lead to mankind's ultimate happiness, will cause him to please God, and will give him a place in the City of God in the afterlife, though. That's why it's the only one worth focusing on. What God is this? Your God? Where is this God, so I can admonish the creature for all your silly concepts that do not lead to survival of the fittest? buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #201. To: Vicomte13 (#197) Looks like somewhere in East Africa or the Middle East. You are referring to Babylon, correct? buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   16:51:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #202. To: buckeroo (#199) You are misinformed. The Romans wiped their asses using sponges on a stick. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   17:07:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #203. To: buckeroo (#200) Where is this God, so I can admonish the creature for all your silly concepts that do not lead to survival of the fittest? You will know soon enough. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   17:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #204. To: buckeroo (#201) You are referring to Babylon, correct? No. Not correct. I was referring to the Great Rift. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   17:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #205. To: Vicomte13 (#203) You will know soon enough. I would rather face my maker with the force of free will as opposed to adhering to some faerie-tale that you adhere towards. At least I can go down as a MAN as opposed to some silly, little groveling idiot that shouldn't be on the planet anyways. buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   17:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #206. To: Vicomte13 (#204) I was referring to the Great Rift. It really doesn't matter. You are not capable or discussing factual data. buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-07   17:17:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #207. To: TooConservative (#73) Thanks for the article. Seems Hot Air is taking the conservative libertarian approach to government involvement in marriage. I noticed the disclaimer for age and consent. Interesting. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8 redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   17:24:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #208. To: Vicomte13 (#192) But you won't take a scientific tone but an angry emotional one. This stuff plays around with your superstitions. Oh,the irony! Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   17:35:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #209. To: Vicomte13 (#193) Human life did not spring up in a short time over a variety of places. Our chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA trace backwards to a singular origin. BullBush! NO life,be it plant or animal,suddenly leaps forward out of a vacuum. The ideal conditions have to exist for it to come into being,and when they do,life will suddenly appear all over. Then again,you no doubt believe the fable about Noah and the Ark. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012) sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-07   17:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #210. To: tomder55 (#92) I would advise Davis to resign. She was elected when sodomite marriage was illegal. Now according to 5-4 fiat it is not. Then again the sodomite couple could have gone elsewhere. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8 redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   17:39:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #211. To: Vicomte13 (#162) Why is everyone making special accommodations for sodomites? Do you REALLY want the answer to that question? I'm sure I will get an answer:) "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8 redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   17:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #212. To: Vicomte13 (#170) The three conscientious objector cases I was familiar with involved soldiers who converted to Islam. They would not fight against other Muslims. Two were chartered with a general discharge. One decided he was no longer Muslim when handed orders for Korea. On a separate note...the majority Christian denomination in Army Special Forces is Catholic. You gung ho Catholics:) "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8 redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   18:02:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #213. To: TooConservative (#172) Yet a bogus response. Restaurants like Applebees are not Saloons nor brothels. You are pretty jaded these days. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8 redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   18:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #214. To: SOSO (#177) What if a County Clerk decided only to issue licenses to gay couples and not to straights? Will you still insist that the striaght couples go to another county to get a license? Sure. People used to cross state lines to get married in MD due to the younger age requirement. "The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8 redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-07   18:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #215. To: redleghunter (#213) You are pretty jaded these days. I think I'm becoming a grumbly non-voter. Putting up with people in the party swooning over obvious hucksters like, well, Cain or Carson or Trump has worn thin. It means there is no longer any point in voting at all, and it isn't as though there was any actual payoff for me personally before the GOP party base turned into gullible nutjobs. This latest flap of the Supreme Clerk of Kentucky is just another Schiavo spectacle, another Cliven Bundy, another occasion to convince me that the GOP has some really really stupid voters and that I'm worn out paying attention to them. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-07   20:52:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #216. To: sneakypete (#209) Of course I believe in Noah's Ark. I believe in Pearl Harbor too. History is history. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-07   21:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply   #217. To: redleghunter (#214) What if a County Clerk decided only to issue licenses to gay couples and not to straights? Will you still insist that the striaght couples go to another county to get a license? Sure. If you say so. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь SOSO  posted on  2015-09-07   21:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply         .       .       . Comments (218 - 251) not displayed. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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