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Title: Cache of Turkish weapons found heading for Islamist controlled area of Libya
Source:
HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/09/ ... mist-controlled-area-of-libya/
Published: Sep 5, 2015
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2015-09-05 20:51:47 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 745
Comments: 12
Fausta picked up one thing from the article which I would never have noticed, but being one of our authorities on Central and South American activities she nailed it right away. The ship was listed as being Bolivian and registered out of the “port of La Paz.” Why is that unusual? Let’s allow her to explain. The contents of the ships, which Fausta details in the linked article, were hardly what was portrayed in the packaging or the shipping documents. Rather than a bunch of filing cabinets there were a half million shells and 5,000 of these: It’s not the best quality picture in the world but I recognized the brand logo. Those are from Torun Arms, based in Turkey. (I should clarify at this point that when I say “Turkish arms” I don’t mean they were supplied by the government of Turkey… just that they were manufactured there as near as I can tell.) The model is hard to determine, but it clearly seems to be similar to their vertical magazine M-12. These aren’t duck hunting shotguns. I’ve run across Torun a few times in other stories over the years and as I recall they have some military contracts, so this may be a version they don’t offer for public consumption. They’re not cheap, either, so whoever financed this little party had plenty of cash on hand. So who was shipping this much firepower to Libya, presumably to the Islamic forces controlling the area? And who paid for it? So many questions and so few details. Check out Fausta’s full article for the details, but there’s clearly plenty of maneuvering going on over there and I doubt this signals good news for anyone opposed to the terrorists.
(1 image) Our friend Fausta Wertz always picks up some of the most fascinating stories and today she’s got a good one. The Greeks have intercepted a rust bucket ship with some very interesting cargo that was heading for an Islamist controlled area of Libya. The boxes seem to be labeled as some rather generic looking office equipment, but the contents were… rather different. Greek authorities have discovered a gargantuan cache of weapons aboard a cargo ship headed to an Islamist controlled area of Libya.The coastguard said a search of only the first two of the 14 containers carried by the Bolivian vessel Haddad 1 had revealed almost 500,000 rounds of ammunition and 5,000 shotguns, of a type similar to that used by police, with no accompanying documentation. Excuse me! “Registered in the port of La Paz”? What the hell?? La Paz is 12,000 feet above sea level (3,650 meters to be accurate), and is the de facto capital of a friggin’ landlocked country 
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#1. To: TooConservative (#0)
Reagan was right about the persians being crazy and that we should get out, and stay out. Let them kill each other with file cabinets, or whatever. I have seen pictures of their model that looks like an AR, never seen the real thing. Have not even read any reviews. Don't know if they are any good, or crap. I'll stick with my Remington's or Mossberg Si vis pacem, para bellum
I probably should have pinged the Bang List since we don't hear much about Turkish firearms. Of course, this flow of weapons from Turkey to Libya brings to mind the flow of antiaircraft missiles from Libyan gangs to ISIS at the time of the Benghazi attack. Turkey is a bigger and more sinister player in the region than many people are willing to recognize. American leaders need to take the blinders off when it comes to the Saudis, the Qataris and the Turks.
If they did that,the deposits into their offshore accounts would stop arriving. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Hey Pete. Are you familiar with these? Are they any good? Si vis pacem, para bellum
Never heard of them before,and have no idea if they are good or junk. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The Turks have between 40-50 firearms manufacturers but I don't think that many of them make there way here. IIRC Diamond Firearms and Tomahawk Shotguns are of Turkish manufacture but can't say I've ever shot one but have seen a few at gun shows, nothing spectacular... Am also thinking they make CZ75 clones and Sig clones but can't think of the name right at this moment... SAR or AAR maybe???
Here is a longer version of the article you posted, covers a 4 day trip... http://www.handgunsmag.com/blogs/carry-on/turkey-diary-day-1/ A friend of mine bought one of these last year when he blew up his CCW weapon at the range, bad ammo. He seems to like it and I've never shot it so don't know what it's really like. But I have shot a CZ75 before so I would imagine they are pretty much the same. Except for the price, a CZ will run you $500+ and the SAR will run $275-300... Also the SAR is lighter cause the lower is polymer whereas the CZ is all metal except for the grips... Nice looking pistol, the finish is a little "busy" to my eye. A Glock is more understated. I notice it says "Made in Turkiye" but the logo is "SAR Arms" imposed over a U.S. map. Obviously an export version. Apparently, SAR is the big dog of Turkish firearms.
According to this article the largest PRIVATELY owned firearms company in the country. (Now does that mean there is a government owned company that is bigger)??? http://gunsforsale.com/manufacturer/sarsilmaz-firearms The citizens of Turkey are allowed to own certain firearms with a permit, but I don't ever remember seeing a gun shop when I was there back in the early 80s. There were weapons for sale if you went down the right "dark alley" but no open gun shops... 
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#2. To: TooConservative (#0)
" Torun Arms "
#3. To: Stoner, hondo68, sneakypete (#2)
#4. To: TooConservative (#3)
American leaders need to take the blinders off when it comes to the Saudis, the Qataris and the Turks.
#5. To: sneakypete (#4)
" Torun Arms "
#6. To: Stoner (#5)
Hey Pete. Are you familiar with these? Are they any good?
#7. To: TooConservative (#3)
#8. To: CZ82 (#7)
Am also thinking they make CZ75 clones and Sig clones but can't think of the name right at this moment... SAR or AAR maybe???
There's another maker called Sarsilmaz too.
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#9. To: TooConservative (#8)
#10. To: TooConservative, sneakypete, *Bang List* (#8)
#11. To: CZ82 (#10)
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#12. To: TooConservative (#11)
Apparently, SAR is the big dog of Turkish firearms.
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