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Title: Trump Praises His Sister, a Pro-Abortion Extremist Judge
Source: National Review
URL Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne ... extremist-judge-ramesh-ponnuru
Published: Aug 27, 2015
Author: Ramesh Ponnuru
Post Date: 2015-09-04 07:44:28 by Tooconservative
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Views: 3163
Comments: 23

Donald Trump told Mark Halperin yesterday that his sister, a federal judge, would be a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice. He also said that “we will have to rule that out now, at least.”

If he ever becomes president, let’s hope he rules it out permanently. Maryanne Trump Barry came up in my book The Party of Death for writing one of those heated judicial decisions in favor of giving constitutional protection to partial-birth abortion. She called a New Jersey law against it a “desperate attempt” to undermine Roe v. Wade. It was, she wrote, “based on semantic machinations, irrational line-drawing, and an obvious attempt to inflame public opinion instead of logic or medical evidence.” It made no difference where the fetus was when it “expired.”

So: The right of abortionists to make a child “expire” by partially extracting her from the womb, sticking scissors in the back of her head, vacuuming out her brain, and crushing her skull to complete her extraction, is right there in the Constitution. But let’s please not have any “semantic machinations.”

Laws against partial-birth abortion had strong bipartisan support. They were attempts to mark an outer limit to the abortion right of Roe. If unborn children could not be protected within the womb, could they at least be protected when partway out? That would be illogical, said Judge Barry. But if the location of fetal death does not matter, then it could hardly matter if the child was all the way outside the womb. Laws against infanticide, too, must be dismissed as irrational line-drawing. The intellectual architect of the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, Hadley Arkes, mentions Judge Barry’s decision in his book on the origin of that law, explaining that it was in part designed to head off the dangerous implications of such rulings.

The Supreme Court eventually ruled that partial-birth abortion could be outlawed—but it did so by a margin of one.

It’s understandable that Trump would praise his sister. But when candidates praise relatives who have served in public office—whether they’re members of the Bush, Paul, Clinton, or Trump families—voters are entitled to keep those relatives’ records in mind.

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#2. To: TooConservative (#0)

"But if the location of fetal death does not matter, then it could hardly matter if the child was all the way outside the womb."

True, but that's not what she said. The argument was partial birth abortion, and she was against "line drawing" as an attempt to incrementally undermine Roe v Wade.

The way she read that decision was that if it's OK to kill the baby in the womb, then it's OK to kill the baby when it's partly in the womb. Logically, there's no other way to read Roe v Wade. That's the law. Deal with it.

Anti-abortion groups know that, so they appeal to the emotional side. Does anyone believe that standard abortion procedures are just fine with them and that they only disagree with that yucky partial birth abortion?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-09-04   10:06:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: misterwhite (#2)

The way she read that decision was that if it's OK to kill the baby in the womb, then it's OK to kill the baby when it's partly in the womb. Logically, there's no other way to read Roe v Wade. That's the law. Deal with it.

The only logical position, if that is the legal reasoning, is that all abortions must be forbidden. Instead, Trump's bloody sister insisted that all children up to and even past birth, could be killed by any means and that no distinction between early- or late-term abortions can or should be made or should even be discussed.

It is reasoning worthy of the Nazis. Would even Margaret Sanger herself go quite this far, at least in public?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-04   10:31:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#3)

"The only logical position, if that is the legal reasoning, is that all abortions must be forbidden."

I agree. I believe it's murder. But the U.S. Supreme Court says it isn't.

"It is reasoning worthy of the Nazis."

Nope. It's logical. If murdering a baby in the womb is legal, then murdering a baby partially in the womb must also be legal. You're blaming her for Roe v Wade. She had nothing to do with that decision.

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#5. To: misterwhite (#4)

If murdering a baby in the womb is legal, then murdering a baby partially in the womb must also be legal.

Then so would the murder of a baby already born. Because location is incidental.

That is what Judge Trump said and wrote, rather extensively.

Of course, your deep love for Donaldo has rendered you incapable of recognizing this. Perhaps you even think this is a pro-life position.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-04   13:34:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#5)

"Then so would the murder of a baby already born. Because location is incidental."

Her actual quote was: "While there are unquestionably numerous ethical, philosophical, and moral issues surrounding abortion, we are unpersuaded that these issues -- or our legal analysis -- should turn on where in the woman's body the fetus expires during an abortion." (my bold)
-- http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-3rd-circuit/1210668.html

Another point. While the United States Court of Appeals, Third Circuit was hearing the New Jersey case, the U.S. Supreme Court issued its opinion in Stenberg v. Carhart, finding Nebraska's “partial birth abortion” statute -- a statute nearly identical to the New Jersey one -- unconstitutional.

Third, Justice Alito agreed with Justice Barry in this case. Are you going to call him pro- abortion, too?

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