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Title: Sheriff: Texas man killed by deputies appeared to hold knife
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/sheriff-texas ... red-hold-knife-194911997.html#
Published: Sep 2, 2015
Author: DAVID WARREN
Post Date: 2015-09-02 22:57:42 by Justified
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Comments: 13

DALLAS (AP) — A second video that captured Texas deputies fatally shooting a man whose hands were raised appears to show that he was holding a knife, a sheriff said Wednesday, declining to release the video because the investigation is still going on.

Bexar County Sheriff Susan Pamerleau said at a news conference that the video has been forwarded to the Texas Department of Public Safety's crime lab to see if the footage can be blown up and slowed down to establish the sequence of Friday's events. Although it's unclear from the video what 41-year-old Gilbert Flores may have been holding while facing deputies with his hands up outside of a home near San Antonio, investigators believe it was a knife, she said.

"There's no doubt that what was shown in that video is of grave concern to all of us, but we also want to get this right," Pamerleau said of the investigation, which also involves the FBI. She declined to say whether investigators recovered a knife from the scene after the shooting.

A separate video taken by a motorist and released publicly shows Flores raise his arms in apparent surrender and stand motionless just before the two deputies opened fire, killing him. A utility pole obscured one of his arms in that video, but Pamerleau said the second video, which was taken from a different angle, showed that both of Flores' arms were raised when he was shot.

"We're not drawing any conclusions at this point," she said. "That would be inappropriate to do so."

The deputies, Greg Vasquez and Robert Sanchez, have been placed on administrative leave.

San Antonio attorney Thomas J. Henry, who is representing the Flores family, previously told The Associated Press that the initial video appears to show that deadly force was unnecessary.

"From a lay perspective, seeing the video, it does appear the immediate danger is gone because he had both hands in the air," Henry said. "Now there are other videos and other pieces of evidence that we want to gather."

He said the family is considering filing a lawsuit to compel the authorities to turn over more evidence.

Juan Contreras, president of the Deputy Sheriff's Association of Bexar County, which is the deputies' union, said there are many aspects of the case that haven't been disclosed by the authorities.

"I believe that when the investigation is complete, the members that I represent will be cleared of any wrongdoing," he said in a statement, later adding, "I have total confidence in the process and patiently await the outcome of the investigation."

Jon Shane, a former New Jersey police captain and an associate professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City, cautioned that videos of deadly police encounters "almost never tell the complete story." He explained that it's often not immediately apparent what a suspect may have said to officers, whether the suspect may have had more than one weapon or whether the suspect may have been near someone who could have been taken hostage.

"People seem to have this unwavering sentiment that the video tells the whole story," Shane said. "The reality is that a lot of the time a video raises even more questions."

Vasquez and Sanchez encountered Flores while responding to a domestic disturbance call. Authorities said they found a woman with a cut and an infant who may have been injured at the home, but they didn't disclose further details, including the identities of the two or any explanation of how they were hurt.

Henry confirmed Wednesday that it was Flores' wife and child, but he declined to say whether Flores harmed either of them, only adding that any injuries didn't result in hospitalization.

He said any complaints that led to the arrival of deputies "should not have precipitated him being shot in the yard."

Henry declined to say whether Flores was armed with a knife.

"Whether he was armed or not armed, the issue is going to be whether that scenario was escalating or de-escalating," Henry said.

Flores had multiple convictions and had spent 10 years of his life incarcerated, according to the San Antonio Express-News. Authorities have said deputies used nonlethal force in an attempt to subdue Flores before the shooting occurred, including the unsuccessful use of a stun gun.

Pamerleau said the findings of the investigation will be turned over to the Bexar County district attorney's office for a determination on whether charges will be filed.

"We're working this as diligently and as expeditiously as we can," she said.

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#1. To: Justified, misterwhite, GrandIsland, Pinguinite (#0)

Sheriff: Texas man killed by deputies appeared to hold knife

Let's see the knife. And the video.

Henry declined to say whether Flores was armed with a knife.

So the family's mouthpiece doesn't want to talk about the alleged knife. Hmmmm...

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-02   23:05:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All, GrandIsland, Deckard (#1) (Edited)

Flores had multiple convictions and had spent 10 years of his life incarcerated, according to the San Antonio Express-News.

Please don't refer to this upstanding citizen as a "shitbird" since that offends LF's most delicate souls.

Thank you.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-02   23:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Justified (#0)

Hey look, a better written, less bias article. Go figure.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-09-02   23:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#2)

We shall see soon enough if the use of DPF was justified, so we don't know that for sure... but I'm relatively sure, the deceased was a shitbird.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-09-02   23:39:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: TooConservative (#1)

So the family's mouthpiece doesn't want to talk about the alleged knife. Hmmmm...

Well....

She declined to say whether investigators recovered a knife from the scene after the shooting.

People on both sides aren't doing much talking about any knife.

Pinguinite  posted on  2015-09-03   0:31:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#5)

People on both sides aren't doing much talking about any knife.

Sounds to me like the family lawyer was conceding that he did have a knife.

"Whether he was armed or not armed, the issue is going to be whether that scenario was escalating or de-escalating," Henry said.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-03   6:25:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: GrandIsland (#4)

... but I'm relatively sure, the deceased was a shitbird.

You would think that after 10 years in various prison settings, he would know better than make any sudden movement with guns pointed at him by cops.

"Authorities said they found a woman with a cut and an infant who may have been injured at the home, but they didn't disclose further details, including the identities of the two or any explanation of how they were hurt."
Maybe he was violating a protective order and knew he would end up back in prison and did a suicide-by-cop. The mention of the woman as bleeding at the scene sounds like he hit her or cut her. Flores might have known that he'd end up back in prison for what he had just done inside the house.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-03   6:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TooConservative, Justified, misterwhite, GrandIsland, Pinguinite, Deckard (#2)

It will be interesting to see the other film. I notice I could not see the guys hand in the first film and it was from a distance.

Btw its hispanic on hispanic. Not like its a race thing as is almost always claimed by people. White cop on wrongfully accosted minority.

Justified  posted on  2015-09-03   8:53:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Justified (#0)

If he had a knife and refused to drop it, they can shoot.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-09-03   10:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Justified (#8)

It will be interesting to see the other film. I notice I could not see the guys hand in the first film and it was from a distance.

Hence my interest. We already know more than in the initial thread. More evidence will appear, much of the early reporting in the two threads here at LF will be superceded or will be exposed as misreporting, which is very common in these social media-driven anti-cop stories.

So it will be interesting to watch how the story develops as more evidence comes in.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-09-03   11:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: TooConservative (#10)

More evidence will appear, much of the early reporting in the two threads here at LF will be superceded or will be exposed as misreporting, which is very common in these social media-driven anti-cop stories.

Its a way to sell more advertising. It gets everyone's attention good and bad.

Fool me once shame on you. Fooling me twice shame on me!

My trust of the msm is near zero.

Justified  posted on  2015-09-03   11:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative, GrandIsland (#2)

" Please don't refer to this upstanding citizen as a "shitbird" since that offends LF's most delicate souls "

Would you prefer GI use these terms: TurdBird, Ahole, worthless POS ?

Sorry GI, I just could not resist. LOL

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-09-03   20:02:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Stoner (#12)

Sorry GI, I just could not resist. LOL

No problem... lol

I first heard the term "shitbird" while attending the CNY police academy in 1994. It was used by a deputy that was an instructor at the academy. I've used that term religiously, ever since. I've encountered thousands of shitbirds in my 50 year existence.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-09-03   20:40:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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