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Title: Hillsboro High students walk out over transgender dispute
Source: St Louis Post Dispatch
URL Source: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/ ... 39-5944-9733-32f569dcdc32.html
Published: Sep 2, 2015
Author: Doug Moore
Post Date: 2015-09-02 08:46:54 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 16168
Comments: 156

Lila Perry, a senior and transgender student at Hillsboro High School, speaks with reporters as Blayke Childs of Farmington offers his opinion after a student walkout on Monday, Aug. 31, 2015, over Perry's request to use the girls locker rooms. Both supporters and opponents of Perry's request turned out for the morning protest. "I have sisters and brothers that go to school," said Childs, 21. "I don't want this to grow like wildfire."

In the middle of last school year, Lila Perry came out as transgender. Before that, she had been living as a gay male.

But that’s not who she really was. No longer was she going to pretend, Lila said.

So this year, she told teachers and administrators at Hillsboro High School, where she is a senior, that she would no longer be content to use a unisex faculty bathroom. She wanted to be treated like other female students, including access to bathrooms and locker rooms for girls.

Her decision spread quickly through the small Jefferson County school district and, on Monday morning, students at Hillsboro High School walked out in protest. During the walkout, Lila was locked in the principal’s office. She said she and administrators worried about her safety.

The student walkout came on the heels of a School Board meeting Thursday that drew a large crowd — parents concerned that Lila is getting special rights at the expense of other students. Most of the students at Monday’s protest were opposed to accommodations for her. A smaller group gathered in support.

“The girls have rights, and they shouldn’t have to share a bathroom with a boy,” said Tammy Sorden, who has a son at Hillsboro High. It is fine to be different, she said, but it is not right to give Lila special treatment “while the girls just have to suck it up.”

Students and parents interviewed after the walkout were overwhelmingly in support of keeping Lila, 17, out of the school facilities for girls.

But the school’s gay-straight alliance and other supporters held a counterprotest to show that not everyone is in agreement. Some students on both sides left after school administrators broke up the protest. Supporters of Lila said they did not feel comfortable going back into the school.

Opponents said leaving school was a continuation of showing their position.

Lila said she has dropped out of her physical education class because there is little supervision and that makes her uncomfortable. And she rarely uses the bathroom now while at school. Still, Lila said, she should be able to use the facilities girls use.

“I wasn’t hurting anyone. I didn’t want to be in something gender-neutral,” she said, referring to the faculty bathroom administrators encouraged her to use. “I am a girl. I am not going to be pushed away to another bathroom.”

LEGAL ISSUES

High school administrators referred a reporter to Superintendent Aaron D. Cornman. He would not comment about the issue, which has become the talk of the community since classes began in mid-August. He said he had to protect the privacy of students.

He did, however, hand a reporter a written statement. It said, in part, that the district “respects the rights of all students and appreciates the fact that the students we are educating are willing to stand on their belief system and to support their cause/beliefs through their expression of free speech.”

Students were allowed to protest through second- and third-hour classes and then were asked to return to class.

Cornman’s statement also says that the district accepts all students “no matter race, nationality/ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation. We will promote tolerance and acceptance of all students that attend our district while not tolerating bullying/harassing behaviors of any type in any form.”

Lila said the school administration has been very supportive and is working to make her feel welcome. They have allowed her to use the facilities used by girls and women.

Districts that refuse to allow students to use a bathroom for the gender with which they identify could run afoul of the U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights, said Kelli Hopkins of the Missouri School Boards’ Association.

“The Office of Civil Rights has issued an opinion that says, if you do this, you have engaged in gender discrimination,” Hopkins said. “At the same time, there is no case law or statute in Missouri that says this is against the law.”

Schools found to have violated a student’s civil rights are at risk of losing some of their federal funding, Hopkins said.

‘OUT IN PUBLIC’

Several people interviewed outside Hillsboro High on Monday argued that a student who still has male genitalia should not be allowed into a changing room with teenage girls.

“I’m not comfortable with it,” said Britney Heimos, a 2008 Hillsboro graduate who was at the school to pick up her brother. “There is nothing wrong with being different. But when you are different, there are sacrifices.”

Shortly after the protest, Jeff Childs, 47, and his son, Blayke, 21, both of Farmington, drove onto the high school parking lot with “Girls Rights Matter” painted on the sides and tailgate of the Ford pickup. When they were told by police to leave, they went to a Dollar General store, bought poster boards and markers and made signs that they held at the busy entrance to the high school.

“This needs to stop before it goes too far,” said Childs, who has a niece and a nephew who go to an elementary school in Hillsboro. “I’m not trying to be ignorant, but (the transgender student) is bringing it out in public for everybody else to deal with.”

Skyla Thompson, 16, refers to Lila as her best friend. She said Lila often stays at Skyla’s house overnight while Lila’s family tries to come to grips with their child identifying as transgender.

“She is such a good person. They are just judging her on the outside,” Skyla said of those who have been critical of Lila.

Lila wears a long brown wig, with bobby pins keeping the hair from her eyes. On Monday, her outfit included a short blue skirt and wedges.

“She is choosing her life to better herself, to better accept herself,” said friend Gianna Warfel, 16. “I don’t know what there is to discriminate about that. I really support the bravery she has.”

Hopkins, of the Missouri School Boards’ Association, said she is having to explain to school boards with more frequency how the federal government views treatment of transgender students.

“I got no calls on this five years ago,” she said. “I’ve gotten at least half a dozen recently.” (1 image)

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#1. To: cranky, Sneaky Pete (#0) (Edited)

And this is why we aren't equal... and when you buy into that libtarded ideal, you get this mess. Pete, you support this shit, go down there and let this vile nasty faggot shit in your bathroom.

We aren't "equal", we never were. We shouldn't treat people "equally"... we should treat people fairly. It's not "fair" to subject the real females to have share their bathroom with this sick twisted oddity of nature.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-09-02   9:08:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: cranky (#0)

Pervs want special rights. Thats the problem with the LGBTASLKJJ group. They want you to be forced to give them special rights.

Justified  posted on  2015-09-02   9:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Justified (#2)

Taking a baseball bat to queers head would be appropriate.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-09-02   9:30:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: cranky (#0)

She said she and administrators worried about her safety.

Cut the faggots dick off and stuff it in his mouth.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-09-02   9:32:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)

Maybe your Christian values could allow you to mimic ISIS methods - burn the kid alive.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-02   9:42:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fred Mertz (#5)

The maggot claims it is female. It shouldn't even have a dick. So snip it in the bathroom on lunch break.

People who tolearte faggots are faggots.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-09-02   9:45:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: cranky (#0) (Edited)

Lila wears a long brown wig, with bobby pins keeping the hair from her eyes. On Monday, her outfit included a short blue skirt and wedges.

“She is choosing her life to better herself, to better accept herself,” said friend Gianna Warfel, 16. “I don’t know what there is to discriminate about that. I really support the bravery she has.”

"She"...."her"...."she"...enough with this bullsh*t and so-called "bravery."

Somebody needs to rip this Bruce Jenner-wannbe's wig off HIS head, B-Slap HIS azz, and crack those offensive signs over the heads of EVERY ONE of HIS supporters of this freak, etal. Same ought to be done of Bruce Jenner.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   9:47:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: GrandIsland, sneakypete (#1)

We aren't "equal", we never were. We shouldn't treat people "equally"... we should treat people fairly. It's not "fair" to subject the real females to have share their bathroom with this sick twisted oddity of nature.

Amen.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   9:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone (#5)

Maybe your Christian values could allow you to mimic ISIS methods - burn the kid alive.

With YOUR perverted values and ZIP sense of morals and ethics?

That's rich, Ethel.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   9:50:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Fred Mertz (#5)

Maybe your Christian values could allow you to mimic ISIS methods - burn the kid alive.

Maybe you should just shut up and invite Peter over. He can sneak it out while you bend over. You're obviously one of the faggot lovers.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-09-02   9:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: cranky (#0)

"It is fine to be different, she said, but it is not right to give Lila special treatment “while the girls just have to suck it up.”

That could have been phrased differently.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-09-02   9:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Fred Mertz (#5)

Cut the faggots dick off and stuff it in his mouth.

Maybe your Christian values could allow you to mimic ISIS methods - burn the kid alive.

Folks who engage in this type of ignorant rhetoric are about as "Christian" as Fred Phelps and the Westboro Church freaks.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-09-02   10:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: A K A Stone (#6)

People who tolearte faggots are faggots.

I don't recall Jesus ever preaching that we should "cut the dicks off faggots"

Is that your own interpretation of scripture?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-09-02   10:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: cranky (#0)

HE is a girl only because he says he's a girl. Sorry, but that's not enough to gain admittance to the girls' facilities.

The school -- like many other public businesses -- has a unisex bathroom. He can (and should) use that, since I don't want him in the boys' bathroom either.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-09-02   10:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Deckard (#13)

I don't recall Jesus ever preaching that we should "cut the dicks off faggots"

Is that your own interpretation of scripture?

Pebbles and Luberator are attracted to any LGBT news item like white on rice. I wonder why?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-02   10:07:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: cranky (#0)

This is insane! When, where & how is this insanity going to end?

Maybe take a section of California, fence it off, and put all of these freaks there? I really do not know. But if I had children in that school, I would pull them out, and either send them to a private school, or I would home school them. But I would not leave them there in a school that is administered by wimps that allow this crap!!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-09-02   10:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Fred Mertz (#15)

Pebbles and Luberator are attracted to any LGBT news item like white on rice. I wonder why?

That's such an old, weak bullshit debate ploy.

Does that mean Deckard wants to secretly be a cop?

Does it mean that Hondo is a closet Bush supporter?

Does it mean that Meguro had a thing for Pete... Scratch that one, don't answer.

When you not have a foot to stand on, the debate loser says, a faggot hater must be a faggot lover, because they talk about faggots often. Where I come from, you have a greater chance of being a faggot, when you defend them.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-09-02   10:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Fred Mertz (#15) (Edited)

Pebbles and Luberator are attracted to any LGBT news item like white on rice. I wonder why?

Self-loathing?

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-09-02   10:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Fred Mertz (#15) (Edited)

Pebbles and Luberator are attracted to any LGBT news item like white on rice. I wonder why?

You *would* wonder why...

I noticed that you've always been an specially avid crusader of all things perverted, subverted, or morally relative. Is that a matter of lacking a moral compass, or are you just a very "tolerant" tool?

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   10:36:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Deckard (#18)

Self-loathing?

I welcome your analysis, Doctor.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   10:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#17)

That's such an old, weak bullshit debate ploy.

Fred couldn't debate his way out of a open-ended condom.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   10:39:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: GrandIsland, Fred Mertz, Deckard, sneakypete, A K A Stone (#17)

When you not have a foot to stand on, the debate loser says, a faggot hater must be a faggot lover, because they talk about faggots often.

Where I come from, you have a greater chance of being a faggot, when you defend them.

Your common sense rational will be sure to hit a nerve or three.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   10:41:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Liberator (#21)

GI, the cross dresser, is just ticked off that I didn't include him along with you and Pebbles as fixated on the LGBT news items.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-02   10:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Fred Mertz, Grand Island, A K A Stone (#23)

GI, the cross dresser, is just ticked off that I didn't include him along with you and Pebbles as fixated on the LGBT news items.

Fred Mertz: Offended by those heshe/it deems "fixated on LGBT news items"? Would you like to see MORE LGBT items, Ethel?

As LF's new crowned official defender and supporter the 8-80 yo Homo/Queer/Transvestites/Lesbo Brigade, The Homo-San-Meguro Brigade salutes you!

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   10:53:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: GrandIsland, Luberator, Fred Mertz (#17)

Where I come from, you have a greater chance of being a faggot, when you defend them.

Good grief man! No one is defending "faggots". I am merely pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of some who call themselves Christians".

Maybe you can tell us all where Jesus told us to "cut the dicks off" faggots.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-09-02   10:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: cranky (#0)

This is so very simple, really.

Guy dresses like a girl and wants to use the girl's locker room.

No.

Born with a dick = dude.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-02   11:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#25)

Luberator

Wanna play that game? Lol -- you're on.

I am merely pointing out the obvious hypocrisy of some who call themselves Christians".

Oh..."merely"?? Heh! You don't even know the definition of "Christian," Anarchist. But I bet you DO know the definition of "ANARCHIST." You can only troll against Law Enforcement with a broad-brush for so long before you're exposed. You can only troll FOR drugs and pro-Queer for so long before your true agenda...is BUSTED. You're an Anarchist. Just admit it (and YES, anarchy is anti-God, anti-Christian, and anti-truth.)

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   11:06:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Deckard (#25)

What Jesus said about sexual sin that carries the death penalty under God's law is this: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

What he said to the sinner spared by the fact that no adult who can cast a stone is without sexual sin was this: "I don't condemn you either. Go forth and sin no more."

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-02   11:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Liberator, GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#27)

You don't even know the definition of "Christian,"

I know the definition of Christian does not include someone wanting to cut the dicks off faggots.

You and Stoney really are messed up if you believe that's what Jesus taught.

Your line of thinking is more in line with those of the muslim faith.

But I bet you DO know the definition of "ANARCHIST." You can only troll against Law Enforcement with a broad-brush for so long before you're exposed.

Looks like you joined the cop groupies - the stories I post are those which point out criminal, corrupt and psychotic members of the esteemed law enforcement profession.

You can only troll FOR drugs and pro-Queer for so long before your true agenda...is BUSTED.

Sighs - I know that with your limited intellectual prowess this will be difficult for you to grasp, but my I am against the war on drugs for reasons that you couldn't possibly fathom. Things like freedom and liberty - I am against the militarization of police and the encroaching police state that has been put into place in part due to your failed war on drugs.

But your simple mind can only think that because someone is against the war on drugs that person MUST be a druggie.

Same with gays. I make a comment that contradicts your unbiblical view that faggots should have their dicks cut off, and to a simpleton like you it means I am "pro-queer".

You used to be a rational poster, but quite frankly, your Fred Phelps brand of Christianity is really not my cup of tea.

You're an Anarchist. Just admit it (and YES, anarchy is anti-God, anti-Christian, and anti-truth.)

Yes, I suppose to someone like you, it may appear to seem that way.

But once again, it's just more of the false dichotomy I have come to expect from low IQ morons like yourself.

You're not for the Republicans - you must be a libturd.

You don't like Trump - you want amnesty and open borders.

You speak out against the war on drugs - you must be a meth-head.

...and so on and so on.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-09-02   11:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: GrandIsland, yukon independent, Fire Island, Fred Mertz (#17)

Does it mean that Hondo is a closet Bush supporter?

Where I come from

No, it means that you're a closet Lindsey Graham supporter, aka a yukon "independent".

Fire Island!


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-09-02   11:37:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deckard (#25)

Good grief man! No one is defending "faggots"

No one?

You can't even form a two word sentence and not be deceitful. Plenty of those that come to your defense when others slap sense into you, defend the fags. Most are commie sanders supporters.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-09-02   11:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: GrandIsland (#31)

...defend the fags.

Maybe you should get a refund on that GED you are so proud of.

I find them reprehensible. Just because I don't want to cut their dicks off doesn't mean I support them.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-09-02   11:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: cranky (#0)

" Lila’s family tries to come to grips with their child identifying as transgender. "

That has to be a MISSION IMPOSSIBLE! Wonder if they have any normal children?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-09-02   12:06:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Stoner (#16)

I have another idea why not tell Mexico that they need to come get all the trash they shipped up here, if they don't comply then we will deport all the homos to them.

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   12:36:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: CZ82 (#34)

American homos? You are like Pebbles with your hair-brained thoughts.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-02   12:37:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Fred Mertz (#35)

You have no sense of humor Fred.

BTW do you know of any religions in other countries that tolerate homos??

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   12:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: CZ82 (#36)

BTW do you know of any religions in other countries that tolerate homos??

Why, are you looking to move there?

Yuk yuk!

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-02   12:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Fred Mertz (#37)

Just seeing if you were keeping up.

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   12:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Vicomte13, cranky (#26)

Born with a dick = dude.

In this case, the complaint is has a dick = dude.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219186/Almost-200-Missouri-students-walk-class-protest-transgender-high-school-senior-allowed-use-girls-bathroom.html

In the middle of last school year, Lila Perry came out as transgender. Before that, she had been living as a gay male.

[...]

They objected that Perry, who has not had any gender reassignment therapy, is still biologically male, Fox News reported.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-09-02   14:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: cranky, Vicomte13, liberator (#0)

This is all going to lead to very bad hygeine at High Schools or all Gym classes being the last period of school.

Because the boy named Lila should shower after gym class and ANY father with a daughter will NOT let Lila and his different genitals shower with the girls.

So this demand to use girls' facilities while unisex are available is all about creating special rights.

It will lead to destroying athletic programs and getting kids to gym each day.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   14:45:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: nolu chan (#39) (Edited)

Before that, she had been living as a gay male.

She?

Fine. By these modern definitions, I guess I am a lesbian male. Can I shower with the girls too?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-02   14:45:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: redleghunter (#40)

If he's a gay male, wouldn't he prefer to shower with the guys anyway?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-02   14:47:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: GrandIsland (#1)

And this is why we aren't equal... and when you buy into that libtarded ideal, you get this mess. Pete, you support this shit, go down there and let this vile nasty faggot shit in your bathroom.

Blah,blah,mindless blah.

As usual,you are working from emotion and missing the point.

We ARE all EQUAL IN THE EYES OF THE LAW. PERIOD,END OF THAT DISCUSSION!

And there is no discrimination involved when baring a genetic female (or male) from restroom or dressing rooms reserved for people with different genders.

If there were only ONE bathroom and only females were bared from using it,that would be discrimination.

Others who are NOT "gender-benders" have a undeniable right to privacy,and the alleged "right" of some trannie to demand they be treeted like what they are NOT does NOT invalidate the right to privace of normal people.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   14:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Justified (#2)

Pervs want special rights.

That's just a small part of the problem. Seems like everybody in the country now wants special rights.

Thats the problem with the LGBTASLKJJ group.

No,it seems to be the problem with everybody. Seems like everybody has a "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!" attitude in this country these days.

It wasn't always that way.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   14:52:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Vicomte13, liberator (#26)

Skyla Thompson, 16, refers to Lila as her best friend. She said Lila often stays at Skyla’s house overnight while Lila’s family tries to come to grips with their child identifying as transgender.

Dunno...I'm thinking "Lila" the boy who dresses and 'identifies' with girls is actually using this stunt to gain access to the Forbidden City. He is already getting sleep overs with other girls no father in his right mind would allow; now trying to get into the girls locker room.

I think this teen boy is successfully doing a huge 'end around' to get to the very same objectives other red blooded American teen boys try by "frontal assault."

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   14:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: A K A Stone (#3)

Taking a baseball bat to queers head would be appropriate.

Oh,yeah! NOTHIN'S says 'murika like senseless murder,right?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   14:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone (#5)

Maybe your Christian values could allow you to mimic ISIS methods - burn the kid alive.

Well,those ARE traditional Christian methods of dealing with people you don't like.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   14:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Liberator (#8)

We aren't "equal", we never were. We shouldn't treat people "equally"... we should treat people fairly.

"We",as individual people are under no obligation to treat anyone any way other than lawfully because "WE" are NOT the government.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   14:57:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: GrandIsland (#1)

And this is why we aren't equal...

I think "Lila" is really a red blooded American teen boy who has found the loop hole to get full access to teen girl sleepovers and locker room. Teen boys have been trying to figure out how to do this by 'frontal assault' for generations. Now all a teen boy has to do is wear some makeup, a hideous wig and wait for the gates of the Forbidden City to welcome him peacefully.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   14:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: misterwhite (#11)

"It is fine to be different, she said, but it is not right to give Lila special treatment “while the girls just have to suck it up.”

That could have been phrased differently.

Speak for yourself.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   14:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: misterwhite (#14)

HE is a girl only because he says he's a girl. Sorry, but that's not enough to gain admittance to the girls' facilities.

Exactly! He can claim he is the grandson of Sea Biscuit if he wants,but that doesn't mean anybody is going to slap a saddle on him and run him in the Kentucky Derby.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   15:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Deckard, GrandIsland, Luberator, Fred Mertz (#25)

Good grief man! No one is defending "faggots".

You don't understand. In THEIR "Christian minds" you are "pro-faggot" unless you want to see the government murder them for being faggots".

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   15:04:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Vicomte13 (#26)

Guy dresses like a girl and wants to use the girl's locker room.

No.

Correct. I am sure a father would not want a boy with the 'goods' dressing up as a girl to be in the locker room with his daughter.

I have all boys.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   15:04:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Deckard, Liberator, GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#29)

I know the definition of Christian does not include someone wanting to cut the dicks off faggots.

You and Stoney really are messed up if you believe that's what Jesus taught.

ESPECIALLY since according to THEIR instruction manual,Jesus spent his entire life surrounded by and living with harry-legged men,without even ever having wanted to kiss a female.

Am I the only one wondering what they would have to say about the sexuality of any of their 30 something year old neighbors that surrounded himself with mean 24/7,and was never seen to associate with "those girl-things"?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   15:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Vicomte13 (#42)

If he's a gay male, wouldn't he prefer to shower with the guys anyway?

You see, I think that gay deal he was pushing was a gimmick too. It did not get him invites to sleep overs just shopping partners. So he is using the transgender thing to legally get him into the Forbidden City and to sleep overs.

All with legal air cover. It's genius, he figured it out! Fathers beware!

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   15:07:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#26)

This is so very simple, really.

Guy dresses like a girl and wants to use the girl's locker room.

No.

Born with a dick = dude.

It is painfully simple....

But NOT to the simple-minded anything-goes rudderless, common-senseless pods who've succumbed to massive God-less brainwashing.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   15:10:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: CZ82 (#36)

BTW do you know of any religions in other countries that tolerate homos??

Of course. Vatican City is lousy with them.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   15:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#55)

You see, I think that gay deal he was pushing was a gimmick too. It did not get him invites to sleep overs just shopping partners. So he is using the transgender thing to legally get him into the Forbidden City and to sleep overs.

All with legal air cover. It's genius, he figured it out! Fathers beware!

Could be a scam. Legal cover from Pod Inc.

As a Freshman I ingeniously opted for 'Homemaking' with the young ladies instead of one more year of shop. The guidance counselor, perplexed, gave me permission. I cracked the code! The bad news: When the guys found out, the school were deluged with other requests. The Operation was called off :-(

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   15:14:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Liberator (#56)

"Born with a dick = dude."

In his case, gay dude. Keep him out of the boys locker room, too.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-09-02   15:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: redleghunter, cranky, Vicomte13, sneakypete (#40) (Edited)

This is all going to lead to very bad hygeine at High Schools or all Gym classes being the last period of school.

Because the boy named Lila should shower after gym class and ANY father with a daughter will NOT let Lila and his different genitals shower with the girls.

So this demand to use girls' facilities while unisex are available is all about creating special rights.

It will lead to destroying athletic programs and getting kids to gym each day.

All on the mark.

One perverse jackazz finds the loophole in the system, overriding common sense. They he/it is given Special Rights because otherwise it's considered "Unequal Rights" by the jack-azz activists, amoral crusaders, and anarchists...

And suddenly, yeah -- good hygiene and showers are no longer allowed at school because of liability reasons and caring parents who oppose institutional stupidity and idiocy. Athletic programs will be affected adversely...BUT it's all "good"," because the "Equal Rights" Morons (yes, like YOU Pete) will have celebrated their glorious mission in life -- because THEIR version of "Equal Rights" means effin up "Gawd's Plan."

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   15:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Vicomte13, liberator, A K A Stone, CZ82 (#41)

She?

Fine. By these modern definitions, I guess I am a lesbian male. Can I shower with the girls too?

Well Hollyweird tried to prepare us for odd situations in the future. But people just thought they were comedy shows:

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   15:37:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: misterwhite, Ethel Mertz, sneakypete, redleghunter, Vicomte13, CZ82 (#59)

In his case, gay dude. Keep him out of the boys locker room, too.

Yup.

But in THAT case, we can see the pro-homofascist ACLU and SPLC leftist lawyers suing school districts for "Equal Access" and "Rights," and being coerced into building an entire wing of a school dedicated to the life's freaks, queers, trannies, tri-sexuals, quad-sexuals, and bestial-sexuals. There'll be cages and horse stalls as well -- as a matter of "Equal Rights" for all. Keep in mind -- that w they are ALL "born-that-way."

Fred and Pete will apply for and fight over "janitorial duties."

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   15:38:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: redleghunter (#61)

But people just thought they were comedy shows...

LOL

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   15:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: (#60)

One big locker room, unisex showers, weekly medical testing, universal Norplant and Soma for all.

"Orgy-porgy, puddin' 'n pie." - Brave New World

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-02   15:39:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: sneakypete, Deckard, Liberator, GrandIsland, Ethel Mertz, redleghunter, Vicompte13, CZ82, Misterwhite, GrandIsland (#54)

According to THEIR instruction manual,Jesus spent his entire life surrounded by and living with harry-legged men,without even ever having wanted to kiss a female.

But...but...YOU spent ALL that time in Nam "surrounded by and living with harry-legged men." Hmmm....cleaning each others' guns. According to your own logic and standard ...you MUST be queer.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   15:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: A K A Stone, rlk, liberator (#3)

Taking a baseball bat to queers head would be appropriate.

I disagree. Perhaps the baseball bat would be more appropriate for those who encourage the confused young teen boy/young man.

He needs help and the help he needs is now illegal in most states as discrimination. The teen boy who calls himself "Lila" and dresses like a girl, needs a strong male figure in his family to tell him that being gay and wanting to be a transgender is not normal. If we have a child with a deformed hand, we get them surgery to correct it. Same with the emotional and mental condition of this young man.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   15:43:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: sneakypete, A K A Stone, Fred Mertz, liberator, Vicomte13, CZ82 (#47)

Maybe your Christian values could allow you to mimic ISIS methods - burn the kid alive.

Well,those ARE traditional Christian methods of dealing with people you don't like.

Actually the following is a Christian approach to engaging in conversation a transgender:

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   15:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: sneakypete, Deckard, Liberator, GrandIsland, Fred Mertz (#54)

ESPECIALLY since according to THEIR instruction manual,Jesus spent his entire life surrounded by and living with harry-legged men,without even ever having wanted to kiss a female.

Am I the only one wondering what they would have to say about the sexuality of any of their 30 something year old neighbors that surrounded himself with mean 24/7,and was never seen to associate with "those girl-things"?

Warped minds indulge in their own fantasies.

You have used "harry {sic} legged men" quite often in your diatribes.

Just saying...

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   15:52:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: sneakypete, CZ82 (#57)

CZ82:BTW do you know of any religions in other countries that tolerate homos??

Sneakypete: Of course. Vatican City is lousy with full of them.

I think I fixed your error above.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   15:55:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: redleghunter, Liberator, A K A Stone, sneakypete, Fred Mertz, hondo68 (#67)

Actually the following is a Christian approach to engaging in conversation a transgender:

Did they beat the him/her/it with a baseball bat or cut off his dick?

According to some of the self-proclaimed "Christians" here, that's what Jesus would do.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
Paul Craig Roberts

Deckard  posted on  2015-09-02   15:56:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Liberator, Vicomte13, CZ82 (#58)

As a Freshman I ingeniously opted for 'Homemaking' with the young ladies instead of one more year of shop. The guidance counselor, perplexed, gave me permission. I cracked the code! The bad news: When the guys found out, the school were deluged with other requests. The Operation was called off :-(

LOL, see? This kid is trying to get access. I did not think so until I read about the sleep over with his 'friend' a girl. Then look at the pic. Horrible wig and lipstick some sailors would use for a shipboard version of a "South Pacific" musical. It's all a phony front.

Maybe Vic can tell us a bit more about those shipboard musicals when he gets a chance:)

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   16:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: redleghunter, A K A Stone, rlk, Deckard (#66) (Edited)

Perhaps the baseball bat would be more appropriate for those who encourage the confused young teen boy/young man.

I can see the rationale use of a baseball bat in addressing this matter.

He needs help and the help he needs is now illegal in most states as discrimination. The teen boy who calls himself "Lila" and dresses like a girl, needs a strong male figure in his family to tell him that being gay and wanting to be a transgender is not normal.

At this point there's been no one to step up presumably. The problem is now that a number of liberal states run by effete, homofascist administrators have made ANY counseling or resolution at such re-calibration and correction of such sexually confused and mentally ill young people...a CRIME. This criminalization of counseling the confused and misguided is about the recruitment of victims, is it not?

If we have a child with a deformed hand, we get them surgery to correct it. Same with the emotional and mental condition of this young man.

Yes, of course the correction of such defect/mental deformity should be regarded as no different that addressing any physical deformity. Just as with a broken bone, there is a small window that the healing MUST take place. The recruiters of the homo-army deny that fundamental right to young people who do not "know" they true identity -- thanks to the indoctrination thru schools, TV, entertainment, Hollywood. And unfortunately, more kids grow up without fathers than ever before, which is why the church family has become is so important. Mentoring thru Boy Scouts to some degree were of great help....but no longer.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   16:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Deckard (#70)

Did they beat the him/her/it with a baseball bat or....

Watch the video. The answer is no.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   16:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13, CZ82 (#71)

This kid is trying to get access. I did not think so until I read about the sleep over with his 'friend' a girl. Then look at the pic. Horrible wig and lipstick some sailors would use for a shipboard version of a "South Pacific" musical. It's all a phony front.

HEH! That was my first impression -- especially with the bad wig. Yeah, the reeeealy bad wig and sloppy lipstick. Remember that scene from Stalag 17?

I think the press and school may be getting punked.

Maybe Vic can tell us a bit more about those shipboard musicals when he gets a chance:)

Lol -- Vic, is it true you wore coconut shells as your "boobs"? ;-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   16:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: redleghunter (#71)

Maybe Vic can tell us a bit more about those shipboard musicals when he gets a chance:)

What happens in WESTPAC, stays in WESTPAC.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-02   16:13:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Liberator (#72)

The problem is now that a number of liberal states run by effete, homofascist administrators have made ANY counseling or resolution at such re-calibration and correction of such sexually confused and mentally ill young people...a CRIME. This criminalization of counseling the confused and misguided is about the recruitment of victims, is it not?

Yes

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   16:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Vicomte13 (#75)

What happens in WESTPAC, stays in WESTPAC.

LOL!!!

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   16:15:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Liberator (#74) (Edited)

Lol -- Vic, is it true you wore coconut shells as your "boobs"? ;-)

Nah. I was an officer, so I got to stand there and judge the beauty contest. I "Crossed the Line" on two ships (no, not THAT line - the Equator), and in both of those ceremonies I noticed that the Filipino sailors always won the beauty contests. (And after 3 months at sea some of them really were disturbingly fetching when they primped up in those dresses and wigs...)

I found a picture of one of those ceremonies in a box the other day. I laughed so hard I peed. Then I burnt the thing, because it would be IMPOSSIBLE to explain to anybody what the hell that was all about, and I'd be hearing about it for the rest of my life if anybody ever saw those pics. Or worse, I WOULDN'T hear a word, and just see my family looking at me funny.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-02   16:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Deckard, redleghunter, A K A Stone, sneakypete, Fred Mertz, hondo68 (#70) (Edited)

Did they beat the him/her/it with a baseball bat or cut off his dick?

According to some of the self-proclaimed "Christians" here, that's what Jesus would do.

The Scene:

You've walked away from your 10 year old boy to find a water fountain at a park...and lost track of Junior ITMT. You espy some big man aggressively cornering your 10 year old boy behind a not-so distant tree while hearing muffled screams. Since you've just been playing baseball, you've got a Louisville Slugger. Please advise us as to your immediate course of action.

Thanks.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   16:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Vicomte13 (#78)

I noticed that the Filipino sailors always won the beauty contests. (And after 3 months at sea some of them really were disturbingly fetching...)

Hilarious...

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   16:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#68)

Warped minds indulge in their own fantasies.

You have used "harry {sic} legged men" quite often in your diatribes.

Just saying...

Pete doesn't tick me off one bit...But rather makes me feel sorry for him for repeating the same old diatribes over and over about "'harry' legged-men.

He's obvious a leg-man ;-)

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   16:24:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: nolu chan (#39)

the complaint is has a dick = dude

The reality is "has a dick = male".

There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't

cranky  posted on  2015-09-02   16:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Deckard (#70)

According to some of the self-proclaimed "Christians" here, that's what Jesus would do.

Jesus wouldn't kill anyone, but are you trying to say that no God-fearing "self-proclaimed Christians" can righteously defend themselves and their loved ones from perverts and criminals with lethal force?

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   16:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Liberator (#79) (Edited)

You espy some big man aggressively cornering your 10 year old boy behind a not-so distant tree while hearing muffled screams.

If some homo was trying to molest one of my grandchildren, I would not hesitate to use a baseball bat and beat the pervert senseless with it.

Obviously not what Jesus would do.

That's a long ways from your what you condone.

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.” - Ron Paul

In a Cop Culture, the Bill of Rights Doesn’t Amount to Much

Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends.
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Deckard  posted on  2015-09-02   16:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Fred Mertz (#35)

" Pebbles "

Just curious Fred, but who is " Pebbles "?

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-09-02   16:33:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Liberator (#60)

One perverse jackazz finds the loophole in the system, overriding common sense.

There is no loophole. He,or anyone else can declare themselves to be anything they want,including President of the US. That doesn't mean they are going to get to live in the WH,though.

DECLARING you are something and actually BEING something are two different things.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   16:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Liberator (#62)

Fred and Pete will apply for and fight over "janitorial duties."

Fred and I are NOT the ones who are obsessed with homosexuality,bubba.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   16:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: Liberator (#65)

But...but...YOU spent ALL that time in Nam "surrounded by and living with harry-legged men."

I did?

That comes as a surprise to me. The maids and waitresses sure looked like females to me. Not to mention the women downtown and on the way to town.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   16:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: Deckard (#84)

That's a long ways from your what you condone.

Remind me -- what did I condone?

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   16:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: redleghunter (#67)

Circular logic may be fine with true believers like you ,but when you start off with the wrong premise you are bound to end up with the wrong answers.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   16:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: redleghunter (#68)

You have used "harry {sic} legged men" quite often in your diatribes.

Just saying...

You're right. For all we know,Jesus demanded his men shave their legs.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   16:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Stoner, Ethel Mertz (#85)

Just curious Fred, but who is " Pebbles "?

Fred's favorite character from his favorite cartoon show.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   16:50:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Liberator (#79)

You've walked away from your 10 year old boy to find a water fountain at a park...and lost track of Junior ITMT. You espy some big man aggressively cornering your 10 year old boy behind a not-so distant tree while hearing muffled screams. Since you've just been playing baseball, you've got a Louisville Slugger. Please advise us as to your immediate course of action.

Thanks.

Are you trying to claim all homosexuals are child rapists?

Has that been your experience?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   16:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: sneakypete (#90)

Circular logic may be fine with true believers like you ,but when you start off with the wrong premise you are bound to end up with the wrong answers.

What was circular in that video? What was the wrong premise and why?

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   16:54:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Stoner (#85)

" Pebbles "

Just curious Fred, but who is " Pebbles "?

A K A Stone

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   16:54:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: sneakypete (#91)

Your just being silly pete.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   16:55:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: redleghunter (#94)

What was circular in that video? What was the wrong premise and why?

When you start out highlighting the thoughts of a mythical creature,you are chasing your own tail/

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   16:57:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: sneakypete (#86)

There is no loophole. He,or anyone else can declare themselves to be anything they want,including President of the US. That doesn't mean they are going to get to live in the WH,though.

Yes, crazy people have been declaring themselves kings, queens, presidents, and even "Jesus Christ" for ever. But they were never taken seriously...till recently. Now, official institutions are actually sanctioning the false identities of the crazies.

As to the current occupant of the White Hut, even HE misrepresented his identity -- he's declared himself a "scholar" of the Constitution, but it's obviously he's not; He's NOT a "Christian," but obviously isn't (admitted to being Muzzie on national TV before Stephanopolous "corrected" him); He's NOT straight...AND he's declared (in deed) himself Dictator. So yes -- those nuts DO get to live in the WH.

DECLARING you are something and actually BEING something are two different things.

In HIS case SEVERAL different things.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   16:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: redleghunter (#96)

Your just being silly pete.

Why not?

This whole damn argument is silly. What is important is what people DO,not their sexual orientation. Only a clueless fool would even suggest that all homosexuals are child,or even adult rapists.

And what they do sexually with other consenting adults in private is nobody's business but their own.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   16:59:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Liberator (#98)

Yes, crazy people have been declaring themselves kings, queens, presidents, and even "Jesus Christ" for ever. But they were never taken seriously...till recently.

They are not being taken seriously now,except by religious fanatics,people with severe sexual hangups,and the fascist/globalist lawyers that seek to destroy our way of life and our laws.

And those of you who are foaming at the mouth fundie Christians who want them killed are doing nothing but helping the globalists who are trying to destroy our system by making them look like victims.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   17:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: sneakypete (#97)

When you start out highlighting the thoughts of a mythical creature,you are chasing your own tail/

Your assertion is noted. Now argue your case. An assertion is not an argument.

I'll await your polemic on a 'mythical creature.'

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   17:02:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: sneakypete (#87)

Fred and I are NOT the ones who are obsessed with homosexuality,bubba.

Oh, I dunno about dat, Jethro; You guys seem to take great umbrage at the rejection of homofascism and its coercive edicts while thoroughly supporting it's advancement and subversive agenda.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   17:02:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: sneakypete (#100)

They [Crazies] are not being taken seriously now,except by religious fanatics,people with severe sexual hangups,and the fascist/globalist lawyers that seek to destroy our way of life and our laws.

Huh??

It's the fascist/globalist lawyers and courts who've been usurping the authority of the majority by tearing down the one-time, long-time way of life and laws of America with the perverse insistence that the homofascist agenda be shoved down ALL our throats.

WE The People didn't elect judges to enact "Gay Marriage -- we elected LEGISLATORS and CONGRESS to do so. But I guess to you its ok for one two or five judges to over-ride Constitution and will of We The People.

And those of you who are foaming at the mouth fundie Christians who want them killed are doing nothing but helping the globalists who are trying to destroy our system by making them look like victims.

That's funny. So now you're trying to sell the notion of a Christian "Fatwa" because Stone joked about whacking a dopey homo with abaseball bat?

You have become the master of political hyperbolic comedy. "Foaming at the mouth fundie Christians" -- nice touch. Especially vs. the reality -- the same unhinged, angry "foaming at the mouth Homofascist Christian-Bashers" I see every day at Yahoo forums. They all sound just like you.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   17:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: redleghunter, sneakypete (#101)

I'll await your polemic on a 'mythical creature.'

Heh...I see "mythical creature" a lot from angry atheist Yahoo posters. It sure does get them riled up -- especially for something they insist is "invisible," non-existent, or a "mythical creature."

My personal favorite from Pete is his "Big Ranger in the Sky," which won't be far from an actual scenario.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   17:20:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: sneakypete (#99)

What they [homos] do sexually with other consenting adults in private is nobody's business but their own.

Nobody is arguing the right of sodomites to create and plug away at several dozen orifices in the privacy of their own dungeon. But a "private matter"? SERIOUSLY?? HA! I remember THAT meme. It wuz BS.

SOMEHOW, homos' "private business" MUST be now endorsed by gubmint, by Hollywood, by schools, by churches, by Christians....EVERYONE! Or else be slandered as "homophobic" or "intolerant." Somehow, now the "private business" they begged for MUST be conducted via a very PUBLIC parade every five minutes in front of St. Patty's cathedral.... while giving each other BJs on the top of floats shaped like...penises.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   17:46:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: sneakypete (#93)

Are you trying to claim all homosexuals are child rapists?

I gave a simple example and scenario of an instance that may required the use of a baseball bat; And somehow your take was immediately to come up with the above disingenuous BS question? Pretty low.

Hmmm...maybe you now work for some off-shoot LBGT Communitah or SPLC. Or are you on Meguro's payroll?

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-02   17:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Liberator (#106)

Or are you on Meguro's payroll?

No... Pete was on Meguro's eggroll.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-09-02   17:57:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: sneakypete (#57)

You mean to tell me that people in the Vatican are religious, wow whoda thunk it... 😳

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   18:06:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: redleghunter (#101)

I'll await your polemic on a 'mythical creature.'

God. If he's not a mythical creature,have him give me a call.

Hell,have him give all the networks a call so he can set up personal appearances on morning news shows.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   18:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Liberator (#102)

You guys seem to take great umbrage at the rejection of homofascism and its coercive edicts while thoroughly supporting it's advancement and subversive agenda.

Fred and I are not responsible for your purposeful ignorance. Your religious bigotry blinds you to the reality that the issue here is NOT homosexuality,it is individual rights. Which is really what organized religion wants to end.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   18:14:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: sneakypete (#109)

Pete are you a good person?

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   18:15:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Liberator (#103) (Edited)

It's the fascist/globalist lawyers and courts who've been usurping the authority of the majority by tearing down the one-time, long-time way of life and laws of America with the perverse insistence that the homofascist agenda be shoved down ALL our throats.

And you bozos are helping them promote their goals with your pigheaded insistence of focusing on homosexuality,which mostly nobody but you and homosexuals really give a damn about,instead of focusing on individual rights. Hell,it is YOU people insisting the government destroy the Bill of Rights in order to satisfy your religious bigotry!

Tou couldn't be doing a better job of helping them succeed if you were on their payrolls because you are making them look like sympathetic victims of a police state goverment that wants to force us all to live according to their beliefs.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   18:17:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Liberator (#104) (Edited)

Heh...I see "mythical creature" a lot from angry atheist Yahoo posters. It sure does get them riled up

Who wouldn't get riled up when they see religious loons wanting to use the alleged words of a mythical creature to enforce laws on them and punish them for not living according to YOUR beliefs instead of leaving them free to live according to their own beliefs and the US Constitution?

Put plainly,you and people like you are flat-out un-American.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   18:20:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Liberator (#105)

Nobody is arguing the right of sodomites to create and plug away at several dozen orifices in the privacy of their own dungeon. But a "private matter"? SERIOUSLY?? HA! I remember THAT meme. It wuz BS.

SOMEHOW, homos' "private business" MUST be now endorsed by gubmint, by Hollywood, by schools, by churches, by Christians....EVERYONE! Or else be slandered as "homophobic" or "intolerant." Somehow, now the "private business" they begged for MUST be conducted via a very PUBLIC parade every five minutes in front of St. Patty's cathedral.... while giving each other BJs on the top of floats shaped like...penises.

Dude,get counseling if you are getting wood looking at Justin Beeber and feel guilty about it.

The whole homosexual thing is WAAAAY too personal for you and your guilt.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   18:22:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Liberator (#106)

Are you trying to claim all homosexuals are child rapists?

I gave a simple example and scenario of an instance that may required the use of a baseball bat; And somehow your take was immediately to come up with the above disingenuous BS question? Pretty low.

Not as low as your attempt use diversion in order to try to get away with not answering the question.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   18:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: CZ82 (#108)

You mean to tell me that people in the Vatican are religious,

I suspect some are. My best guess is it is mostly the nuns since they are the only ones that don't profit from it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   18:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: redleghunter (#61)

Threes Company

How I hated that show, wasn't he a homo in real life???

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   18:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: redleghunter (#111)

Pete are you a good person?

On some days. I have good days and bad days,just like everyone else.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-09-02   18:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: redleghunter, Liberator (#61)

Didn't this show come on about the time homos sued/took over the APA???

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   18:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Liberator (#103)

WE The People didn't elect judges to enact "Gay Marriage -- we elected LEGISLATORS and CONGRESS to do so.

Maybe some people did but I sure as hell didn't!!!

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   19:08:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: redleghunter (#71)

Maybe Vic can tell us a bit more about those shipboard musicals when he gets a chance:)

He was in the French Navy??? Oy Vey...

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   19:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Liberator, Deckard, redleghunter, A K A Stone, sneakypete, Fred Mertz, hondo68 (#79)

You've walked away from your 10 year old boy to find a water fountain at a park...and lost track of Junior ITMT. You espy some big man aggressively cornering your 10 year old boy behind a not-so distant tree while hearing muffled screams. Since you've just been playing baseball, you've got a Louisville Slugger. Please advise us as to your immediate course of action.

Thanks.

Let's see call the cops and wait for an hour while they finish jerking off at the local donut shop??? Naahhh...

Ask the perp very nicely if he would consider leaving if I paid him $20??? Naahhh...

Oh wait I know throw the bat at his feet, pull out Uncle Siggy point it at him and tell him if he doesn't beat the schitt out of himself with the bat I'll use Uncle Siggy... When he passes out from beating the schitt out of himself then deposit the bat were the sun doesn't shine, that way he'll wake up semi happy in jail...

That's about as Christian as I get... :)

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   19:24:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: sneakypete (#116)

I suspect some are. My best guess is it is mostly the nuns since they are the only ones that don't profit from it.

I forgot about the nuns...

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   19:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Liberator, redleghunter, A K A Stone (#74)

especially with the bad wig. Yeah, the reeeealy bad wig and sloppy lipstick. Remember that scene from Stalag 17?

HEH! That was my first impression -- especially with the bad wig.

You guys forgot about the lemons he has stuffed in his trainer...

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-02   19:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: CZ82 (#119)

Yeah forget when that happened.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   19:53:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: CZ82 (#117)

I hated that show, wasn't he a homo in real life???

Homo on the show and one in the movie "Slingblade." Don't know about IRL. If then I guess it was not acting.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   19:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Stoner (#85)

Just curious Fred, but who is " Pebbles "?

He is our gracious owner and host of this chit-chat site.

He's got mental problems, but we put up with him as best we can. You might think he's a Taliban or ISIS or Al Qeda extremist, but he's only a Christian fundie.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-02   20:48:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: redleghunter (#126)

Homo on the show and one in the movie "Slingblade."

I thought that was a great movie.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-02   20:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: Liberator (#83)

Jesus wouldn't kill anyone...

Which is one of the reasons Jesus was a poor role model for responsible manhood. There are people in this world who need killing as a sane corrective measure.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-02   21:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: rlk (#129)

There are people in this world who need killing as a sane corrective measure.

You can't be serious, Robert, can you?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-02   21:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: CZ82, Liberator, Deckard, redleghunter, A K A Stone, sneakypete, Fred Mertz (#122)

Please advise us as to your immediate course of action.

The best bet is to stay away from parks that GOP candidates frequent...


2008............................................... 2016


The D&R terrorists hate us because we're free, to vote second party
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul

Hondo68  posted on  2015-09-02   21:50:32 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Fred Mertz (#130)

There are people in this world who need killing as a sane corrective measure.

You can't be serious, Robert, can you?

I've never been more serious about anything in my life. The reason this country has fallen into compliance with defiant insult, lack of integrity, and degeneracy is for lack of it.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-02   21:52:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Fred Mertz (#128)

Yes Billy Bob Thornton did quite well in that movie. Tough character and he was convincing.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-02   21:55:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: redleghunter (#133)

I didn't realize that one of the other actors was a real life musician/entertainer.

I do remember his line: "Shut up you goddamn retard!"

I use it on my retarded friend all the time.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-02   21:59:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: rlk (#129)

Christ has the keys to Heaven and Hell. When you meet Him, you won't think He is a wimp.

Don  posted on  2015-09-02   22:58:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: Deckard (#13)

I don't recall Jesus ever preaching that we should "cut the dicks off faggots"

Is that your own interpretation of scripture?

Where did I say I was intrepreting scripture? Are you stupid or something?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-09-02   22:58:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: A K A Stone (#136)

Where did I say I was interpreting scripture? Are you stupid or something?

You might be.

Pebbles, you should be more magnanimous in your comments.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-09-02   23:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Don (#135) (Edited)

Christ has the keys to Heaven and Hell. When you meet Him, you won't think He is a wimp.

You may find that neither of us may ever meet him.

On the other hand, you may get an unwelcome surprise if you do meet him and he holds you responsible for the mess you have created on Earth in his name.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-03   2:51:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: redleghunter (#126)

Don't know about IRL. If then I guess it was not acting.

You know now that I get to thinking about it I think it is someone else I'm remembering, I suck with names so it will probably come to me later today/this week...

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-09-03   7:15:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: rlk (#138)

Lol. I'm not worried about that. The blame for this "mess" has been assigned.

Don  posted on  2015-09-03   8:30:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Don (#140)

I'm not worried about that. The blame for this "mess" has been assigned.

Who assigned it. you? Based upon your hysterical conception of mythology as a desperate substitute for rigorous and disciplined thought?

rlk  posted on  2015-09-03   17:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: rlk, Don (#138)

On the other hand, you may get an unwelcome surprise if you do meet him and he holds you responsible for the mess you have created on Earth in his name.

You keep on with this assertion without providing any evidence other than "Christians caused the counter culture." I took on that assertion on another thread and you did not respond.

So let's have it. How did Christians destroy our society?

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-03   17:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: rlk, Don (#141)

Based upon your hysterical conception of mythology as a desperate substitute for rigorous and disciplined thought?

You claim other's worldviews are absent rigorous and disciplined thought, yet you use "hysterical" and "conception of mythology" in your statement.

Your assertion is absent rigorous and disciplined thought.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-03   17:34:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: rlk (#141) (Edited)

Do I look like God to you? See Redleghunter's post above this one.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-09-03   22:28:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: redleghunter (#142) (Edited)

So let's have it. How did Christians destroy our society?

By failing to give a rational refutation to the counterculture.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-03   23:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: rlk, tomder55, liberator (#145)

By failing to give a rational refutation to the counterculture.

So Christianity was around for roughly 2,000 years and the counter culture types hadn't figured out what it was all about?

Did it occur to you that the counter culture preached a different "gospel"? A gospel consisting of self sexual and material gratification, disrespect for elders, rejection of Christian morality, and drug induced mind altering states?

So basically the counter culture was an antichrist "gospel" diametrically opposed to the Christian gospel.

So what's the answer? Should have Christians figured out a way to modify Christianity in order to add some drugs, sex and rock and roll?

The fact is the counter culture was a rejection of Christian morals and beliefs. People wanted to shed morality for instant gratification. The Christian answer to that is "don't do that."

Now...If it is your contention that Christians as a majority cloistered themselves in homes and churches and did not refute publicly (apologetics) the propaganda of the counter culture, then you will be surprised (really shouldn't be) that I agree with you.

If you really want to read some great works on a Christian who did square off with the counter culture I recommend some of the works of Francis Schaeffer. He is the "father" of modern Christian apologetics and philosophy. He also put his works to film and most are on YouTube now. He dedicated his ministry to engaging both leaders and youth in the counter culture movement.

If you are interested let me know. Probably the best tome he wrote on the subject at hand is "How should we then live." Schaffer takes us back to the beginning of Christianity and how Christians interacted with the various Western forms of government, society and secular philosophical movements. It's a fascinating walk through Western history from the time of the Apostles up to the mid 1980s. He passed away around that time. Before he died he detailed what would come after the counter culture. So far he was on the money with regards to our current post modern era.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-04   0:30:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Don (#144)

To: rlk (#141)

Do I look like God to you?

Not really. I've never seen God to make a comparison of resemblance. Neither have you.

Your God is what is known as a hypothetical construct. To be considered valid a hypothetical construct must be anchored in both antecedent and consequent conditions not just in someone's infantile fantasy.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-05   0:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: rlk (#147)

This construct is anchored in many millions of people, both past and present. If you want to talk infantile, imagine millions of people believing the Universe just came into being without an original source.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-09-08   23:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: Don (#148) (Edited)

This construct is anchored in many millions of people, both past and present. If you want to talk infantile, imagine millions of people believing the Universe just came into being without an original source.

What people believe is of no interest to me. Nor should it be to you. In the immortal words of Dr. Isaac Asimov, "People are Stupid." They believe what the want to believe and frequently what brings them comfort is supporting their prejudices and desires. The fact that they do so does not qualify their belief as a valid constructural anticedent to a well developed mind. Reality is not determined by popular vote or the content of soothing TV commercials.

Whiy is it that a group of nincompoops can arbitrarily assign eternal existence if one element that the have never seen, but want to believe in, while assigning a necessary cause to the unlimited vastness of a universe they can see?

rlk  posted on  2015-09-09   9:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: rlk (#149)

Christians believe in God because of what He has told us about Himself and supported by what they see in the Universe. We are smart enough to know what He has exhibited about Himself in what we see around us. Athiests can see the same things yet they believe that it isn't necessary for things like the existing world and the rest of the Universe to have a cause or an originating source.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-09-09   20:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Don (#150)

Christians believe in God because of what He has told us about Himself

Oh, you hear voices? I don't hear anything.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-09   22:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Don (#150)

We are smart enough to know what He has exhibited about Himself in what we see around us.

Such as constant wars, disease, and natural disasters?

rlk  posted on  2015-09-09   22:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: rlk (#152)

Remember the story about the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were cast out because they committed sin against God. The entire Universe fell from a state of Grace. That is, sin entered the Universe which was corrupted but sin. Things went from being perfect to a state of corruption. That falls on the backs of Adam and Eve. Man's nature is now corrupted. As is all of creation.

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-09-09   22:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: rlk (#151)

That's funny. Way to go. He told us in the Holy Bible. You knew that, right?

Psalm 37

Don  posted on  2015-09-09   22:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: Don (#153)

Remember the story about the Garden of Eden.

I remember the myth well. Where did Adam and Eve go to school in order to keep a record of all their activities?

rlk  posted on  2015-09-09   23:45:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Don (#154)

That's funny. Way to go. He told us in the Holy Bible. You knew that, right?

So somebody else who heard voices in their head wrote down what the voices told them.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-09   23:50:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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