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Title: Pope tells priests to pardon women who have abortions
Source: AFP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/pope-tells-pr ... women-abortions-110936598.html
Published: Sep 1, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-09-01 08:17:04 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 5149
Comments: 44

Pope Francis on Tuesday called on priests to pardon women who have abortions, and the doctors who perform them, during the upcoming Jubilee year -- overruling hardline traditionalists within the Catholic Church.

"I have decided, notwithstanding anything to the contrary, to concede to all priests for the Jubilee Year the discretion to absolve of the sin of abortion those who have procured it and who, with contrite heart, seek forgiveness for it," he said.

In a message outlining special measures for the Jubilee, Francis said he knew that while "the tragedy of abortion is experienced by some with a superficial awareness... many others... believe that they have no other option".

The Argentine pontiff said he was "well aware of the pressure" that some women were under to abort, adding that he had "met so many women who bear in their heart the scar of this agonising and painful decision".

The 78-year-old, who has repeatedly urged the Church to show greater compassion, said priests should use "words of genuine welcome", as well as making sure those involved were aware of "the gravity of the sin committed".

Francis announced earlier this year a Jubilee year -- traditionally a time for remission and forgiveness -- which will run from December 8 to November 20 and be celebrated not only in the Vatican but in dioceses across the world.

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#8. To: cranky, redleghunter, BobCeleste, GarySpFc (#0)

Pope Francis on Tuesday called on priests to pardon women who have abortions, and the doctors who perform them...

Stunning.

We have a "Vicar of Christ" forgiving and enabling cold-blooded murderers....AND refusing to condemn mass murder!

This guy is the biggest charlatan ever and obvious ANTI-Christ. Roman Catholics must be under a spell to continue appeasing this satanic agent of evil. Dave Hunt was right -- The Vatican is run by Satanists.

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-01   11:39:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Liberator, Vicomte13 (#8)

Stunning.

We have a "Vicar of Christ" forgiving and enabling cold-blooded murderers....AND refusing to condemn mass murder!

This guy is the biggest charlatan ever and obvious ANTI-Christ. Roman Catholics must be under a spell to continue appeasing this satanic agent of evil. Dave Hunt was right -- The Vatican is run by Satanists.

The article did say the Pope Francis stated those women who come to a priest repentantly. That changes the tone significantly from the article's title and lead in.

This declaration of the Pope is more a delegation of previously held authority.

Catholic canon law is most difficult on the matter of a woman and accomplices aborting a baby"

Canon 1398 provides that, "a person who procures a successful abortion incurs an automatic (latae sententiae) excommunication." This means that at the very moment that the abortion is successfully accomplished, the woman and all formal conspirators are excommunicated.

An abortion is defined as "the killing of the foetus, in whatever way or at whatever time from the moment of conception" (Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts, published in the "Acts of the Apostolic See" vol. 80 (1988), 1818). This definition applies to any means, including drugs, by which a human being present in the woman is killed. Thus, once a woman knows she is pregnant the intentional killing of the new life within her is not only murder but an excommunicable offense. A woman who only thinks she might be pregnant has a grave responsibility to find out and to protect the possible life within. Any action to end a "possible" pregnancy while probably not an excommunicable offense would be callous disregard for life and gravely sinful.

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In any case, whether one has been excommunicated or not, the sin of abortion must be confessed as the taking of innocent human life (5th Commandment). If the penitent did not know about this law at the time of the abortion then he or she was NOT excommunicated. If the person knew about the law but there were extenuating circumstances (such as mentioned above concerning c. 1323) then these factors should be mentioned to the confessor. He will say whether he has the faculty from the bishop to absolve from this excommunication or whether he even needs to. If he does not, he will privately and secretly obtain absolution from the bishop or send the person to a confessor who has that power.

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One complicating factor for anyone in this situation is that intentionally withholding mortal sin (abortion) or knowledge of one's excommunication invalidates ALL the absolutions for other sins given since the time of the intentionally overlooked sin. Culpably withholding mortal sin or an excommunication means that even after the priest says the words of absolution because of dishonesty on the penitent's part, the sin has not been absolved. Absolution is not magic, it depends upon sincere repentance from all known mortal sins and a firm purpose of amendment. Such sins would need to be confessed again, as part of an integral (complete and honest) confession. This is not the case if the person did not know that what they did was sinful in the eyes of God and the Church, but only found out this out latter. Since they did not withhold from confession what they knew to be sinful their prior confessions are valid.

The Church makes every effort to make Penance available and obliges priests to make anonymity possible as well (c. 964). There is really no valid excuse for delaying one's full return to the sacraments. All those who have had abortions should come home to Christ and the Church.

So it seems from the bolding only bishops or a designated priest can hear a confession for abortion.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-01   13:44:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#14)

The article did say the Pope Francis stated those women who come to a priest repentantly. That changes the tone significantly from the article's title and lead in.

This is true. The headline is deceiving.

I'm still getting mixed messages from him:

"I have decided, notwithstanding anything to the contrary, to concede to all priests for the Jubilee Year the discretion to absolve of the sin of abortion those who have procured it and who, with contrite heart, seek forgiveness for it," he said.

In a message outlining special measures for the Jubilee, Francis said he knew that while "the tragedy of abortion is experienced by some with a superficial awareness... many others... believe that they have no other option".

The Argentine pontiff said he was "well aware of the pressure" that some women were under to abort, adding that he had "met so many women who bear in their heart the scar of this agonising and painful decision".

"I am well aware of the pressure that led them to this decision," Francis said. "I know that it is an existential and moral ordeal."

HE "has decided"?? Whoop-dee-do! Firstly, it is CHRIST who forgives and absolves those with a contrite, repentant heart. It is scriptural for man to forgive each other as we well know. And let us not forget -- the Vicar is but a man himself, no more blessed or greater than, or less a sinner than anyone else. I consider such an official decree as hubris and arrogance.

Francis also appears to be a bit TOO soft and understanding of what he describes as a "moral ordeal" or "pressure" in choosing to murder the unborn. As though the wrong car or entree was chosen. That moral ordeal" or "pressure" is about selfishness or convenience. Where was his further chastisement and reasons to reconsider abortion? Naah -- he didn't go near it with a 20' pole. He's a coward IMO.

It seems from the bolding only bishops or a designated priest can hear a confession for abortion.

Who are designated-hitters of forgiveness in the thousands of cases of the RCC's scandalous, sinful pedophile clergy, rape, and hiding behind the name of Jesus?

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-01   14:06:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Liberator, redleghunter, Vicomte13 (#16)

It seems from the bolding only bishops or a designated priest can hear a confession for abortion.

Who are designated-hitters of forgiveness in the thousands of cases of the RCC's scandalous, sinful pedophile clergy, rape, and hiding behind the name of Jesus?

Perhaps this is the Vatican's quid pro quo for its sin of enabling and protecting pedophiles among the Church's ranks? You know, you give us a pass on this one and we will give you a pass on abortion (and gay marriage). Next in the batter's box is birth control - coming soon to your neighborhood parish. It's knida like Obama's trade of five Islamic terrorist leaders for one American desserter.

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