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Title: Pope tells priests to pardon women who have abortions
Source: AFP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/pope-tells-pr ... women-abortions-110936598.html
Published: Sep 1, 2015
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2015-09-01 08:17:04 by cranky
Keywords: None
Views: 5097
Comments: 44

Pope Francis on Tuesday called on priests to pardon women who have abortions, and the doctors who perform them, during the upcoming Jubilee year -- overruling hardline traditionalists within the Catholic Church.

"I have decided, notwithstanding anything to the contrary, to concede to all priests for the Jubilee Year the discretion to absolve of the sin of abortion those who have procured it and who, with contrite heart, seek forgiveness for it," he said.

In a message outlining special measures for the Jubilee, Francis said he knew that while "the tragedy of abortion is experienced by some with a superficial awareness... many others... believe that they have no other option".

The Argentine pontiff said he was "well aware of the pressure" that some women were under to abort, adding that he had "met so many women who bear in their heart the scar of this agonising and painful decision".

The 78-year-old, who has repeatedly urged the Church to show greater compassion, said priests should use "words of genuine welcome", as well as making sure those involved were aware of "the gravity of the sin committed".

Francis announced earlier this year a Jubilee year -- traditionally a time for remission and forgiveness -- which will run from December 8 to November 20 and be celebrated not only in the Vatican but in dioceses across the world.

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#3. To: cranky, Vicomte13 (#0)

"I have decided, notwithstanding anything to the contrary, to concede to all priests for the Jubilee Year the discretion to absolve of the sin of abortion those who have procured it and who, with contrite heart, seek forgiveness for it," he said.

Vic IIRC, previous to this decision only bishops could hear abortion confessions. I heard at one point a woman had to go to the Vatican for such confession.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-01   10:02:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: redleghunter (#3)

Vic IIRC, previous to this decision only bishops could hear abortion confessions. I heard at one point a woman had to go to the Vatican for such confession.

I don't know the canon law on the subject. I do know that Scripturally speaking, the Pope was given the authority by Jesus to do as he is doing in this case. Abortion is ultimately just another kind of murder. Paul was a murderer. He was forgiven. So can repentant women.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-01   11:21:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Vicomte13, redleghunter (#5)

Paul was a murderer.

BEFORE he became a follower of Christ. Catholic women by definition commited murder AFTER they became follwers of Christ - a distinction with a major difference. These women knowingly committed murder of their unborn child while at the same time knowing God's words on the subject, undoubtedly being reminded time and time again of same by the same priests that will now give them absolution. Yes, it is God's to forgive the repentant, IF so repetance is sincere.

But of course there is always an escape cluse for the Church.

"Is one excommunicated after having an abortion?

Q. A few years ago I had an abortion. I realize I committed a serious sin, but according to a test performed with our doctor's advice, the baby had a "catastrophic" defect that was fatal. I know now that does not make the abortion any less wrong. I confessed the sin and the priest told me I was forgiven. But I live every day with the pain and guilt over what I did, and I pray for forgiveness.

I just read in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that a person who has an abortion automatically "incurs excommunication 'latae sententiae'" by the very act of committing the offense.

Have I been excommunicated from the Catholic Church all this time, or did the priest have authority to absolve me? Since my confession, I've been receiving Communion every Sunday at least. Is that wrong? (Ohio) ........................................The same paragraph contains two other words that you passed over but which are significant for you. It notes that "formal cooperation" in an abortion constitutes a grave sin and can incur excommunication. This space is too short to explain what that means, but it introduces even more conditions before an individual is excommunicated. To give an idea of what I'm talking about, in order to incur this sanction a person must be of majority age and, more important, must be aware when the act is committed that an excommunication is involved if the act is carried through. I believe many Catholics like yourself know abortion is wrong, yet do not know that an excommunication follows, if they even know what an excommunication is. Furthermore, if the woman is experiencing terrible fear or confusion, or if she is under severe pressure from family or close friends, there may not be an excommunication. As the catechism explains, in attaching the penalty of excommunication, the church simply wishes to make clear the gravity of destroying unborn life. It in no way pretends to limit the infinite scope of God's compassion and mercy."

In other words, you, my dear Catholic lady, probably didn't know about this excommunication thing when you had your abortion so don't worry about it now, all is forgiven.

SOSO  posted on  2015-09-01   12:01:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: SOSO (#9)

In other words, you, my dear Catholic lady, probably didn't know about this excommunication thing when you had your abortion so don't worry about it now, all is forgiven.

In other words: we made up all of these church rules in the first place, we have the power of the keys, so we can change whatever rules we made up to fit new situations or sticky cases.

There's a reason the Torah is about 300 pages long but the interpretive Talmud fills 26 volumes, a veritable encyclopedia of legal opinion. There's something everybody hates somewhere in God's law. God's law is quite short, and stern, and absolute, and he repeats most of it three times to really drive home the point.

God expects men to obey his law. Men don't wanna. So men - particularly pious men who WANT divine favor and access to divine power, but who won't follow ALL of the law - "interpret" the law in a way that nullifies the parts they won't follow.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-01   12:45:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Vicomte13 (#10)

So men - particularly pious men who WANT divine favor and access to divine power, but who won't follow ALL of the law - "interpret" the law in a way that nullifies the parts they won't follow.

Kinda like the U.S. Consitution

SOSO  posted on  2015-09-01   13:05:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: SOSO (#11)

Kinda like the U.S. Consitution

Like all law.

Men like to make law for other men, because men want to be obeyed in all things. Everybody wants to rule the world.

However, men hate to be ruled. They don't mind following laws that don't get in their way anyway - and they think themselves virtuous for doing what they were already going to do and for not doing what they never intended to do - for that makes them "law abiding" in their own eyes. But let one law stand athwart of their intentions, and they will break it without remorse, if they can get away with it, or seethe and boil with (self-)righteous rage if they obey it because they don't think they can get away with evading it.

Men's hatred of being ruled by other men is actually legitimate: God never gave men any power to dominate other men by force, including force of human law. The only law that God bound man to follow is his own. Of course men don't want to obey THAT either.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-09-01   13:26:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#13. To: Vicomte13 (#12)

Everybody wants to rule the world.

Not everybody, you can have my place in line for that.

"Men's hatred of being ruled by other men is actually legitimate: God never gave men any power to dominate other men by force, including force of human law. The only law that God bound man to follow is his own.

Oh? Then why did God punish all men for Adam and Eve's sin? Adam and Eve certainly seemed to rule over all other men that followed it that regard.

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