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Title: Oath Keepers and Tea Partiers want to turn upstate New York into ‘New Amsterdam’
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Raw Story
URL Source: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/oat ... e-new-york-into-new-amsterdam/
Published: Aug 28, 2015
Author: Arturo Garcia
Post Date: 2015-08-29 16:52:42 by nolu chan
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Views: 2055
Comments: 24
“Our Secession plan calls for establishing a more republican form of government than total democracy NYS currently has which allows Downstate state to rule upstate, while upstate can occasionally block things downstate wishes to enact,” Divide New York State Caucus head John Bergeron told the Syracuse Post-Standard. Organizers said in a separate statement that they are also considering pushing for the upstate region to become part of Pennsylvania. This would require approval from both New York state and Pennsylvania, as well as Congress. Splitting New York into two “regions” would require a state constitutional convention, and a vote on that issue will not be held until 2017. The group posted a graphic showing the proposed new boundaries on its Facebook page, which can be seen below: According to Gawker, another group involved in the campaign, Shooters Committee On Political Education New York (SCOPE NY), has come out against gun safety legislation signed by Gov. Andrew Cuomo in response to the mass shooting attack in Newtown, Connecticut. Secession advocates have also criticized Cuomo’s administration for opposing fracking. A petition supporting the split had garnered just over 3,200 signatures by Friday night. “Why secession? Secession is about reclaiming the economic opportunities Upstate has lost and restoring the liberties Upstate residents once enjoyed,” the groups said in a statement. “Downstate has dominated Upstate for decades and Upstate has no future in a state controlled by New York City’s needs and desires.” However, Gawker reported that downstate New York gave a collective $12 billion in tax money to the upstate region in 2009 and 2010 alone. Watch a report on the “New Amsterdam” movement, as aired on WKBW-TV, below. Oath Keepers and Tea Partiers want to turn upstate New York into ‘New Amsterdam’
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#1. To: nolu chan (#0)
Are people willing to be poor if that is the price of independence? The recent election in Scotland, and the cave-in of Greek resistance seems to indicate no.
Are people willing to be poor if that is the price of independence? The recent election in Scotland, and the cave-in of Greek resistance seems to indicate no. What price do you put on your principles and integrity? потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Wish they would reconsider their border and add Rockland County . Let's put it this way . We the people of upstate NY have lived in a constant state of economic depression since the 1930s . The state politics is dominated by NYC and it's burbs (which have for years moved further and further into the ranks of the socialist Democrat wing. I have been leaning towards the idea of breaking away for a while . The recent decision by Governor il duce Cuomo to deny citizens of the state the right to exploit the energy resources under their property was my tipping point. Across the border in Pennsylvania they have unleashed the restraints and the economic impact has been telling . http://nypost.com/2015/04/30/how-new-york-government-keeps-failing-the-upstate- economy/ Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
$4 million after taxes is my price. Yours?
I definitely agree that the outstate areas of states with large cities are generally unhappy places. Rural New York, rural Michigan, rural California - all screwed. Big metro areas have big metropolitan problems, poverty, etc. , and that means big taxes to pay for it.
What price do you put on your principles and integrity? $4 million after taxes is my price. Yours? I would have said lower but I will up my standards to $4 miilion + $1. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
My price is an after-tax number. $4 million is a ballpark figure only. I would need to calculate the exact number when the offer came forward. I need enough that, invested at 3% after taxes, I will be able to live comfortably perpetually without stress. So, the number has to include enough excess so that the return on reinvestment will outstrip inflation. $4 million net of taxes is about $8 million gross. But the last time I calculated that number was years ago, and would need to be revised. Selling my principles and integrity for $10 million seems reasonable. If body parts (a kidney, for example) are also required, the price goes up. If BOTH kidneys are required, or heart and lungs - in other words, if you're actually going to KILL me after paying me - well, then my price is much higher: $200 billion, which makes for $100 billion after taxes. To kill me requires making me the wealthiest man in the world first, and I require some time to set things up for the proper use of that money. God gets to kill me for free whenever he likes, but if some man is going to do it by transaction, he's going to have to have a consortium behind him to afford the price. And once I have the money, I will be the richest man in the world so I'll use the money power to hire people to not only break the contract, but to reverse the charge: in other words, pay me, and you will "own" the right to kill me...and I'll use the money to have you taken out first. Why? Simple: the first $4 million bought my integrity, so obviously if you pay for my kidneys, you've bought my integrity with the bargain. And the thing about a man with no integrity is that I don't honor contracts - including the one you paid for. So, buy my integrity for $4 million, I'll keep the $4 million, but I'll knife you in the back anyways whenever I damn please. Because I have no integrity, obviously. Selling integrity is like selling virginity. If you've got none, then if some fool wants to pay for it, he gets what he deserves when he pays and gets nothing. My integrity can't really be bought (and neither can anybody else's, really) - because if you've got the sort of integrity that CAN be bought, it can be re-bought by a higher bidder, OR you could just decide to fuck over whoever THOUGHT he bought your integrity, take his money, and leave him with bupkis. Let him plead to the judge: "But your honor, I BRIBED him, so he had to do what I say! He didn't, so he STOLE my money!" All contracts with all men are that way: men keep them, or break them, depending on their interests. Lots of good people found themselves during the crisis facing the decision of feeding and housing their kids or paying their financial debts, and decided that the financiers were going to get screwed in favor of the kids. The financiers would say that that's a lack of integrity. But somebody else might say that the duty to children exceeds the duty to honor contracts and repay money. And Jesus and YHWH's commandments actually agree with that second position. An interesting reality that few have enough personal integrity to actually face. So, my integrity comes at $4 million. My life comes at $200 billion. And if you make the deal with me I'll steal it either way, because you're making a deal with a man who is selling his integrity.
High grade Munis, the $4 +/- million holds. You can keep your boby parts, or sell them if you wish to the highest bidder - your choice but that's not part of the integrity deal. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
Splitting from NYC is and always will be a pipe dream. So much so, I moved from everyone I knew to escape it. NY will always be a libtarded, over taxed, over regulated blue state CESSPOOL. Do yourself a favor, look at every counties election results in NYS for the 2012 elections. You might be surprised how many counties outside of NYC were won by O'bunghole. lol I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Deal! Transfer the $8 million gross so I can buy the $4 million in munis, and then let me know what foul integrity-free thing you would like me to do.
I do not understand the the question. Do you imply NYC would be poor, or the part that would be New Amsterdam. I think the New Amsterdam part would do fine.
New Amsterdam would be poor. Albany's dollars are a net outflow to the rural areas. The taxes from Manhattan, Staten Island, Westchester county and Long Island pull along the state. Outstate is a net dollar recipient from the urban rich. After awhile the outstate areas would be better off, juet as eventually the Scots and the Greeks would be better off independent. The same thing is true of Quebec independence. In the long run, independence is a good thing. But between now and eventually there would be several years of drastically reduced cash flows, and the standards of living of many would recede. People don't agree to such things.
These days it has gone lopsidedly Dem. In days gone by (50s - 60s), it was closely split with NYC and Nassau very Dem, and with upstate very GOP, and Suffolk closely split toward GOP. It was politically schizo. NY state has been politically descending into an Eastern version of California. I doubt the powers in NYC would ever let the "New Amsterdam" area go.
You are right... No, they won't. And even if it did, the CNY, Upstate and western counties would still vote a Shitlery or Cuck Fuomo in office without the help of NYC. That's why I left. I refused to feed the libtard machine... like Bucky and Tpaine does in kookifornia. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Albany's dollars are a net outflow to the rural areas. The taxes from Manhattan, Staten Island, Westchester county and Long Island pull along the state. I think that upstate would be more than self-sufficient. NYC and its environs suck up state benefits. Much of the money earned in NYC goes to people who live outside the city. A great deal of retirement benefits move out of state. Without the rest of the state, NYC would be in dire straights. New Amsterdam could make quite an income just selling water to NYC.
Mine did... it's the only way to fix the socialist machine... bankrupt it. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
I'm a few years away from that ,but have made the call. I will not be able to afford the equivalent of a second mortgage that I pay in property taxes when I retire. Despite the locust Dems that have ruined it ;NY is still a great state .I love the beaches on Long Island .I love the theater ,museums,major league sports in NYC . I love the hiking in the mountains . I will have left the state before I finish hiking every trail in the immediate area where I live . I love the history ,especially it's importance during the Revolution. But in the next few years I'll be leaving this all behind me. The last time I had anyone who I thought was MY representative at any level of government was in 2003 . That was the year they gerrymandered my Rep's district out of existence and somehow managed to move my neighborhood into a Bronx district (they ran the district up the Hudson River and then had it cross the Tappan Zee Bridge ). Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
That's why I left. I refused to feed the libtard machine... like Bucky and Tpaine does in kookifornia. I left NY when I joined the Navy a half century ago. I started out in the Bronx [St. Raymond's (Castle Hill/Parkchester) and St. Frances de Chantal (Throg's Neck)] and then the family moved to the island outside the city. All my known living relatives no longer live in NY. In 2014, Cuomo won 16 counties, Astorino won 46 counties. Absent the "New York Region" votes, I doubt Cuomo would have won in 2014. He took 87% in the Bronx, 80% in Manhattan, 79% in Brooklyn, 75% in Queens, and 55% in Staten Island. That is sort of hard to overcome in the rest of the state. The "New York Region" includes nine (9) counties, the "New Amsterdam Region" includes fifty-three (53) counties. http://www.newamsterdamny.org/about.html The New Amsterdam Region shall consist of the counties of Albany, Allegany, Broome, Cattaraugus, Cayuga, Chautauqua, Chemung, Chenango, Clinton, Columbia, Cortland, Delaware, Dutchess, Erie, Essex, Franklin, Fulton, Genesee, Greene, Hamilton, Herkimer, Jefferson, Lewis, Livingston, Madison, Monroe, Montgomery, Niagara, Oneida, Onondaga, Ontario, Orange, Orleans, Oswego, Otsego, Putnam, Rensselaer, Saratoga, Schenectady, Schoharie, Schuyler, Seneca, St. Lawrence, Steuben, Sullivan, Tioga, Tompkins, Ulster, Warren, Washington, Wayne, Wyoming, and Yates. http://www.politico.com/2014-election/results/map/governor/new-york/ Note: the list at the above link shows Manhattan, Brooklyn and Staten Island counties. Their correct county names are New York County, Kings County, and Richmond County, as listed in the New York and New Amsterdam regions. Cuomo won eight (8) "New York Region" counties -- all except Suffolk County. In the "New Amsterdam Region," Cuomo won eight (8) counties, [Albany, Broome, Clinton, Erie, Essex, Franklin, Onondaga, Tomkins], for a total of sixteen (16) counties. Republican Astorino won the rest of counties (46). The counties that went Republican comprise the overwhelming majority of the land area in the state, but they are rural and sparsely populated in comparison to the relatively tiny "New York Region" states. There is a parallel national trend where Republicans win an overwhelming majority of counties in the presidential elections, but the Democrats score overwhelming wins in most high-population urban areas. The tax dollars go to the black hole of the urban areas, not to the rural areas. Some folks in Nassau/Suffolk would prefer to go as well. In 2014, Cuomo lost in Suffolk (49-48) to Astorino. In Nassau, Cuomo won 52-44. http://www.longislandstate.org/home.html Section 1. Legislative findings: Nassau and Suffolk Counties comprise an area of 2,826 square miles, larger than the states of Rhode Island and Delaware. The combined population of the two counties is 2.798 million which is greater than the population of 19 states. For the years 2002-2004, Long Island paid 8.124 billion dollars in state taxes yet only 5.2 billion dollars was returned in direct local aid, tuition assistance, highway aid, pension payments, lottery money, metropolitan transportation authority subsidies and Medicaid payments. For many years the question of forming the state of Long Island has been discussed in public and academic forums. The issue should be investigated, a report prepared and referendum held in Nassau and Suffolk counties so the citizens may be heard. 3+ BILLION $$$ REASONS FOR LONG ISLAND TO BECOME THE 51st STATE “A unified voice from both Nassau and Suffolk counties would send a serious message to Albany that we reject their illegitimate taxes and fees upon Long Islanders,” said Sawicki who has long promoted the idea of secession as a way to solve Long Island’s fiscal woes. “The Dowling college study has proven that we send over $3 billion more to Albany than we get back. That $3 billion can provide enormous tax relief for Long Islanders instead of being used to bail out the rest of the State.” [snip]
Yes, but look at the numbers. Take Monroe County... That's Rochester... far far away from NYC, and one of the more populated counties outside of that shithole city.... and Astorino only won by 3,000 votes out of 180,000. R R. Astorino 48.3% 93,786 D A. Cuomo (i) 46.8% 90,000 NY is fucked. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
R R. Astorino 48.3% 93,786 D A. Cuomo (i) 46.8% 90,000 NY is fucked. But see that the GOP actually wins the popular vote of the combined 57 counties outside of NYC by 94,116. Cuomo would not win in the imaginary "New Amsterdam" region. The entire state is fucked because NYC is a basket case. As long as the politicos keep robbing the people to buy the votes in the five borroughs, they will continue to get 80+% of the vote in NYC. 1,919,225 - 1,443,713 TOTAL -- 475,512 State Dem margin 113,369 - 14,414 Bronx -- 98,955 Dem margin 222,727 - 42,673 Brooklyn -- 180,054 191,379 - 30,695 Manhattan -- 160,684 169,300 - 47,848 Queens -- 121,452 41,313 - 32,830 Staten Island -- 8,483 738,088 - 168,460 NYC total 81.4% - 18.6%. - - - - - 569,628 -- NYC five county Dem margin 475,512 -- State Dem margin 94,116 -- State GOP margin outside NYC.
I don't want you integrity and never asked for it. I only asked what it is worth to you. I was a bit surprised that you had such a quick answwer in a specific dollar amount. You obviously had thought about this befors I ever asked. потому что Бог хочет это тот путь
What would anybody be able to do with the integrity of somebody willing to sell it anyway? As for me, I was willing to go kill people on command for a college degree and a small salary. Sure, I justified it is as "service", "to" some symbols. Motivated by their own self-interest, men will rationalize anything. My price has gone way up since those days.
I realize this... but when only 3,000 people favor the chains and tyranny that NYC causes, and still live well outside of NYC, out of 180,000, then they are screwed. Here's my point.... 180,000 people in Monroe county voted... do you really think that only the 3,000 more that voted for Astorino are the only gun owners? Gun owners outside of NYC are voting to put Cuck Fuomo in office... and I won't be one of their peers. Fuck them. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
When the voters choose to elect Cuomo and De Blasio, the time has come to vote with your feet. You pay less tax and handle the danger of a Big Gulp all by yourself.
#2. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
#3. To: Vicomte13, Soso, nolu chan (#1)
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#4. To: SOSO (#2)
What price do you put on your principles and integrity?
#5. To: tomder55 (#3)
#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
#7. To: SOSO (#6)
#8. To: Vicomte13 (#7)
I need enough that, invested at 3% after taxes, I will be able to live comfortably perpetually without stress.
#9. To: tomder55 (#3)
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#10. To: SOSO (#8)
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#11. To: Vicomte13 (#1)
Are people willing to be poor if that is the price of independence?
#12. To: nolu chan (#11)
#13. To: GrandIsland, tomder55 (#9)
Splitting from NYC is and always will be a pipe dream. So much so, I moved from everyone I knew to escape it. NY will always be a libtarded, over taxed, over regulated blue state CESSPOOL.
#14. To: nolu chan (#13)
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NY state has been politically descending into an Eastern version of California. I doubt the powers in NYC would ever let the "New Amsterdam" area go.
#15. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
New Amsterdam would be poor.
#16. To: nolu chan (#15)
A great deal of retirement benefits move out of state.
#17. To: GrandIsland (#9)
I moved from everyone I knew to escape it. NY will always be a libtarded, over taxed, over regulated blue state CESSPOOL.
#18. To: GrandIsland (#14)
You are right... No, they won't. And even if it did, the CNY, Upstate and western counties would still vote a Shitlery or Cuck Fuomo in office without the help of NYC.
The New York Region shall consist of the counties Bronx, Kings, New York, Queens, Richmond, Nassau, Rockland, Suffolk, and Westchester.
* Welcome to Long Island State * We Invite you to Join us as we build America's 51st State * It's Time Long Island Saves Itself
#19. To: nolu chan (#18)
#20. To: GrandIsland (#19)
Yes, but look at the numbers. Take Monroe County... That's Rochester... far far away from NYC, and one of the more populated counties outside of that shithole city.... and Astorino only won by 3,000 votes out of 180,000.
#21. To: Vicomte13 (#10)
Transfer the $8 million gross so I can buy the $4 million in munis, and then let me know what foul integrity-free thing you would like me to do.
#22. To: SOSO (#21)
#23. To: nolu chan (#20)
Cuomo would not win in the imaginary "New Amsterdam" region.
#24. To: GrandIsland (#23)
Gun owners outside of NYC are voting to put Cuck Fuomo in office... and I won't be one of their peers.
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