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Title: Carly Fiorina camp goes to war with the RNC
Source: Politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/ ... nc-main-debate-cnn-121757.html
Published: Aug 26, 2015
Author: Steven Shepard
Post Date: 2015-08-27 12:56:44 by nolu chan
Keywords: None
Views: 6410
Comments: 55

Carly Fiorina camp goes to war with the RNC

The Republican businesswoman is crying foul over possibly being left off the next main debate stage. The RNC’s response — tough luck.

By Steven Shepard

8/26/15 8:38 AM EDT Updated 8/26/15 10:41 PM EDT

The first GOP presidential candidate to go to war publicly with the Republican National Committee is not Donald Trump. It’s Carly Fiorina.

Faced with the very real possibility that she will again be relegated to a lower-tier debate, Fiorina’s campaign is going after the RNC and the news organization the committee picked to host the next debate, CNN.

What has ensued is a tense back-and-forth, with Fiorina’s camp charging that the RNC should be doing more to ensure that the debate stage represents the true top 10 candidates, and the RNC saying tough luck, the rules are set.

Fiorina, the only female candidate in the GOP field, has surged in the polls since a widely praised performance in the “happy hour” debate earlier this month. But she has a problem: There haven’t been enough polls to catapult Fiorina from 14th place, where she stood going into that debate, into the top 10 ranking for CNN’s Sept. 16 debate.

That’s because CNN — unlike Fox News, which used only the final five polls released before its debate — outlined criteria this spring in which it said it would average the results of polls released between July 16 and Sept. 10. And of the 10 polls that currently qualify for inclusion in CNN’s average, eight were conducted before the first debate.

The Fiorina campaign’s solution? Since CNN has already said it will use all the polls, it should weight down the older surveys and weight up the post-debate polls — and the RNC should make sure that happens.

“The RNC should ask CNN to treat the polling in July the same as the polling that comes after,” said Sarah Isgur Flores, Fiorina’s deputy campaign manager, in a Medium post. “Because there were nine polls released in the three weeks before the last debate, one would expect 18 polls released in the six weeks between the two debates. If that does not happen, the polling average of those six weeks should be treated as the equivalent of 18 polls. Assuming the numbers remain consistent with current polling, Carly would easily place in the top 10 for the main debate.”

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#5. To: nolu chan (#0)

That’s because CNN ... outlined criteria this spring in which it said it would average the results of polls released between July 16 and Sept. 10.

And she agreed. Now she wants to change the rules (though I'm sure she'd scream bloody murder if another candidate tried this).

That's real Presidential, Carly. No wonder they kicked you out at HP.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-27   13:39:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: misterwhite (#5)

Now she wants to change the rules

That's what a politician does for a living: lawmaking is merely the process of writing new rules.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-27   13:53:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Now she wants to change the rules

That's what a politician does for a living: lawmaking is merely the process of writing new rules.

Thats what cheap politicians do. Statesmen don't. We've had enough politicians and not enough statesmen.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-27   14:01:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: rlk (#7)

Thats what cheap politicians do. Statesmen don't. We've had enough politicians and not enough statesmen.

Statesmen write and amend laws. Laws are rules. The nature of being a statesman is to apply existing rules where prudent, write new ones where needful, and altering old ones that have become obsolete. That's what congressmen, presidents and judges are FOR: to apply rules, amend rules and write new rules.

Carly Fiorina has run into a rule that was made in the abstract. The rule seemed fair at the time, but when looked at in retrospect (a very large number of polls before the debate, and few since), it not only harms her prospects, but may not make sense.

Prussians applied the foolish consistency that is the hobgoblin of little minds. What worked for a 3-by-8 little Eastern European kingdom failed on an imperial level, creating a rigidity of mindset that caused wars that ultimately resulted in the loss of the Prusssian homeland itself.

This may not be the case here - Fiorina may be engaging in special pleading. But there is nothing inherently wrong with what she is doing. Chellenging the rules because they do not make sense is precisely what thinking people would HOPE politicians would do. Men wrote laws with the information they had then. We have more information now. Laws often need to change to reflect that.

In this case, Fiorina will win her case. She's interesting, and the GOP establishment will want her to get up there to hammer at Trump, because she will. They will amend their rule to let her into the debate, and in she will come. CNN will love to have her, because she will generate attention and fireworks going after Trump on what is perceived as his weak spot when it comes to dealing with strident women.

They'll bump some also-ran off the stage and put Fiorina up there. You can mark this post down and return to it. Fiorina will be in that debate. CNN and the GOP will make that happen. They will make it happen by interpreting the rules to require a time-weighted average of polls, and that will get her aboard. Some other also-ran will lose, he will complain, and nobody will pay any attention.

Fiorina will win this fight.

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