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Title: Carly Fiorina camp goes to war with the RNC
Source: Politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/ ... nc-main-debate-cnn-121757.html
Published: Aug 26, 2015
Author: Steven Shepard
Post Date: 2015-08-27 12:56:44 by nolu chan
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Views: 5599
Comments: 55

Carly Fiorina camp goes to war with the RNC

The Republican businesswoman is crying foul over possibly being left off the next main debate stage. The RNC’s response — tough luck.

By Steven Shepard

8/26/15 8:38 AM EDT Updated 8/26/15 10:41 PM EDT

The first GOP presidential candidate to go to war publicly with the Republican National Committee is not Donald Trump. It’s Carly Fiorina.

Faced with the very real possibility that she will again be relegated to a lower-tier debate, Fiorina’s campaign is going after the RNC and the news organization the committee picked to host the next debate, CNN.

What has ensued is a tense back-and-forth, with Fiorina’s camp charging that the RNC should be doing more to ensure that the debate stage represents the true top 10 candidates, and the RNC saying tough luck, the rules are set.

Fiorina, the only female candidate in the GOP field, has surged in the polls since a widely praised performance in the “happy hour” debate earlier this month. But she has a problem: There haven’t been enough polls to catapult Fiorina from 14th place, where she stood going into that debate, into the top 10 ranking for CNN’s Sept. 16 debate.

That’s because CNN — unlike Fox News, which used only the final five polls released before its debate — outlined criteria this spring in which it said it would average the results of polls released between July 16 and Sept. 10. And of the 10 polls that currently qualify for inclusion in CNN’s average, eight were conducted before the first debate.

The Fiorina campaign’s solution? Since CNN has already said it will use all the polls, it should weight down the older surveys and weight up the post-debate polls — and the RNC should make sure that happens.

“The RNC should ask CNN to treat the polling in July the same as the polling that comes after,” said Sarah Isgur Flores, Fiorina’s deputy campaign manager, in a Medium post. “Because there were nine polls released in the three weeks before the last debate, one would expect 18 polls released in the six weeks between the two debates. If that does not happen, the polling average of those six weeks should be treated as the equivalent of 18 polls. Assuming the numbers remain consistent with current polling, Carly would easily place in the top 10 for the main debate.”

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#5. To: nolu chan (#0)

That’s because CNN ... outlined criteria this spring in which it said it would average the results of polls released between July 16 and Sept. 10.

And she agreed. Now she wants to change the rules (though I'm sure she'd scream bloody murder if another candidate tried this).

That's real Presidential, Carly. No wonder they kicked you out at HP.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-27   13:39:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: misterwhite (#5)

And she agreed. Now she wants to change the rules (though I'm sure she'd scream bloody murder if another candidate tried this).

I don't believe the candidates had a say in the matter to agree or not.

Weren't the rules changed for the first debate, or was that the first two debates. It was originally slated to include only the top 10. Shortly before the event, they decided to include all the excluded candidates in an event a few hours earlier dubbed the "happy hour" or "kiddie" debate.

If the party and CNN wanted to make the change, I doubt the FEC would stand in their way.

From the Politico article:

But after determining that the final polling average could very well include more surveys conducted before the first debate than after, Isgur Flores aimed directly at the pollsters and the RNC in her Medium post.

“To be clear, if Carly isn’t on the main stage, it will not be because her rise in the polls can’t overcome lower polling from July, but because only two of CNN’s chosen polling companies have released polls at all since the first debate,” she wrote. “If the RNC won’t tell CNN to treat post-debate polling consistently with pre-debate polling, they are putting their thumb on the scale and choosing to favor candidates with higher polling for three weeks in July over candidates with measurable momentum in August and September.”

It's hardball party politics. The GOPe turds cannot rise to the top on their own, so the party is doing its best to flush away the unwanted turds.

So far, Trump is too big to flush.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-27   18:19:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: nolu chan (#22)

"I don't believe the candidates had a say in the matter to agree or not."

I believe if you agree to participate, you agree to the rules. No?

But in today's society, who knows? There are many stories of people who participate in our society, violate the rules, then complain afterwards that the rules were unfair or stupid. Perhaps if they complained before they violated the rules they'd have more credibility.

Of course, that's what's wrong with society today. Individuals think the rules are for other people, not them. Apparently, Carly Fiorina is one of them.

"Weren't the rules changed for the first debate?"

No. But they did add a completely separate debate for the lower tier candidates. This gave her an opportunity for airtime (that she could have refused) that she wouldn't have had otherwise.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-28   9:14:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#34. To: misterwhite (#31)

I believe if you agree to participate, you agree to the rules. No?

And then you get in, and once you're in, if the rules are bad, you go right after them and try to change them.

Prussians worship rules. They set out battle plans and adhere rigidly to them, permitting no deviation. Occasionally, they win. More often, they declare war on Russia, and then invade France because "that's the battle plan - those are the rules" and they cannot be changed.

And so Prussians lose.

Today, the land that was called "Prussia" once is today called "Poland" and "Russia".

Those Prussians sure stuck by their rules. They made a fetish out of worshipping the laws they made, and insisting on their strict implementation.

And they were smashed to pieces and lost all of their land.

In life, the only absolute rules are the ones that God made - the physical ones (you can't breathe water), and the moral ones (don't kill people).

Human rules are made for a time, to address a situation. When they don't work, you change them if you can, but if the rules are ossified and the people supporting them are Prussians, then you break the rules and rely on differentials of power to be able to make your breaking of the rules stick.

The rules in this case don't make sense. Fiorina is interesting. The other candidates are not. So her stink about them will result in a change of the rules so that she gets on the main debate panel versus Trump. If Pataki were complaining about the rules, nobody would be changing them for him, because he is neither interesting enough, nor has seen enough surge in popularity, to be able to persuade anybody to change the rules for him.

They'll change the rules for Fiorina, and that's fine. We don't live in Prussia. Nobody does. Prussia is gone. It was a bad idea to begin with, and its rigid adherence to arbitrary rules was a complete failure. We've never been Prussians, and we're not going to turn into them.

Rules are opinions. They can change. They can be forced. They can sometimes be broken. They're guidelines only.

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