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Title: How long will it be ere they believe me?
Source: Blue Letter Bible
URL Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/devo ... me/view.cfm?Date=08/27&Time=am
Published: Aug 27, 2015
Author: Charles Spurgeon
Post Date: 2015-08-27 08:17:32 by redleghunter
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How long will it be ere they believe me?

—Numbers 14:11

Strive with all diligence to keep out that monster unbelief. It so dishonours Christ, that He will withdraw His visible presence if we insult Him by indulging it. It is true it is a weed, the seeds of which we can never entirely extract from the soil, but we must aim at its root with zeal and perseverance. Among hateful things it is the most to be abhorred. Its injurious nature is so venomous that he that exerciseth it and he upon whom it is exercised are both hurt thereby.

In thy case, O believer! it is most wicked, for the mercies of thy Lord in the past, increase thy guilt in doubting Him now. When thou dost distrust the Lord Jesus, He may well cry out, "Behold I am pressed under you, as a cart is pressed that is full of sheaves." This is crowning His head with thorns of the sharpest kind. It is very cruel for a well-beloved wife to mistrust a kind and faithful husband. The sin is needless, foolish, and unwarranted. Jesus has never given the slightest ground for suspicion, and it is hard to be doubted by those to whom our conduct is uniformly affectionate and true.

Jesus is the Son of the Highest, and has unbounded wealth; it is shameful to doubt Omnipotence and distrust all-sufficiency. The cattle on a thousand hills will suffice for our most hungry feeding, and the granaries of heaven are not likely to be emptied by our eating. If Christ were only a cistern, we might soon exhaust His fulness, but who can drain a fountain? Myriads of spirits have drawn their supplies from Him, and not one of them has murmured at the scantiness of His resources. Away, then, with this lying traitor unbelief, for his only errand is to cut the bonds of communion and make us mourn an absent Saviour. Bunyan tells us that unbelief has "as many lives as a cat:" if so, let us kill one life now, and continue the work till the whole nine are gone. Down with thee, thou traitor, my heart abhors thee.


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#1. To: GarySpFc, liberator (#0)

Jesus is the Son of the Highest, and has unbounded wealth; it is shameful to doubt Omnipotence and distrust all-sufficiency. The cattle on a thousand hills will suffice for our most hungry feeding, and the granaries of heaven are not likely to be emptied by our eating. If Christ were only a cistern, we might soon exhaust His fulness, but who can drain a fountain? Myriads of spirits have drawn their supplies from Him, and not one of them has murmured at the scantiness of His resources. Away, then, with this lying traitor unbelief, for his only errand is to cut the bonds of communion and make us mourn an absent Saviour. Bunyan tells us that unbelief has "as many lives as a cat:" if so, let us kill one life now, and continue the work till the whole nine are gone. Down with thee, thou traitor, my heart abhors thee.

PING.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-27   8:30:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: redleghunter, ALL (#0)

Ravi Zacharias President, Ravi Zacharias International Ministries

“The Bible is the Word of God, and God cannot err. So, to deny inerrancy, rightly understood, is to attack the very character of God. Those who deny inerrancy, soon enter the dangerous terrain of denying all Scriptural authority for both doctrine and practice.”

Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-08-27   18:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: GarySpFC (#2)

Ravi is correct.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-27   21:01:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: GarySpFC, *Bible Study Ping* (#2)

Another Spurgeon piece which caught my eye:

Have mercy upon me, O God.

When Dr. Carey was suffering from a dangerous illness, the enquiry was made, "If this sickness should prove fatal, what passage would you select as the text for your funeral sermon?" He replied, "Oh, I feel that such a poor sinful creature is unworthy to have anything said about him; but if a funeral sermon must be preached, let it be from the words, 'Have mercy upon me, O God, according to Thy lovingkindness; according unto the multitude of Thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.'" In the same spirit of humility he directed in his will that the following inscription and nothing more should be cut on his gravestone:-

WILLIAM CAREY, BORN AUGUST 17th, 1761: DIED - -

"A wretched, poor, and helpless worm On Thy kind arms I fall."

Only on the footing of free grace can the most experienced and most honoured of the saints approach their God. The best of men are conscious above all others that they are men at the best. Empty boats float high, but heavily laden vessels are low in the water; mere professors can boast, but true children of God cry for mercy upon their unprofitableness. We have need that the Lord should have mercy upon our good works, our prayers, our preachings, our alms- givings, and our holiest things. The blood was not only sprinkled upon the doorposts of Israel's dwelling houses, but upon the sanctuary, the mercy-seat, and the altar, because as sin intrudes into our holiest things, the blood of Jesus is needed to purify them from defilement. If mercy be needed to be exercised towards our duties, what shall be remembrance that gracious to us, to restore our backslidings, and make our broken bones rejoice!

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-30   22:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: redleghunter (#4) (Edited)

WILLIAM CAREY, BORN AUGUST 17th, 1761: DIED --

And a masochistic masochistic self flagellent during the period in between. A triumphant demonstration of the degree of neurosis all of us should strive for.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-30   23:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: rlk (#5)

And putting a sword through your belly for bad table manners an flying airplanes into carriers yelling BONZAI is not masochistic?

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   7:41:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: redleghunter (#6)

And putting a sword through your belly for bad table manners an flying airplanes into carriers yelling BONZAI is not masochistic?

Why tell me about it?

rlk  posted on  2015-08-31   8:01:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: rlk (#7)

And putting a sword through your belly for bad table manners an flying airplanes into carriers yelling BONZAI is not masochistic?

Why tell me about it?

It's completely insane behavior. As in Bushito throwing Chinese babies in the air and impaling them on stakes.

But you completely missed the point of the piece I posted to GarySpFc. The good Dr. was not masochistic. The good Dr. realized when it came to being right before God, there was nothing he could do which could compare to the Life and Actions of Jesus Christ. The good Dr. realized the human spiritual nature is corrupt, weak and compares such with the Grace of God in sending His only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to be the substitute for our failings as humans. When a man or woman comes to Christ, the Father sees the Son Jesus Christ. We who abide in Christ Jesus are cloaked in His righteousness. That is what the good Dr. was getting at in the piece I posted to GarySpFc.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-31   10:40:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: GarySpFC, liberator, *Bible Study Ping* (#2)

This from the Spurgeon devotional for today:

I will; be thou clean.

—Mark 1:41

Primeval darkness heard the Almighty fiat, "light be," and straightway light was, and the word of the Lord Jesus is equal in majesty to that ancient word of power. Redemption like Creation has its word of might. Jesus speaks and it is done. Leprosy yielded to no human remedies, but it fled at once at the Lord's "I will." The disease exhibited no hopeful signs or tokens of recovery, nature contributed nothing to its own healing, but the unaided word effected the entire work on the spot and for ever.

The sinner is in a plight more miserable than the leper; let him imitate his example and go to Jesus, "beseeching Him and kneeling down to Him." Let him exercise what little faith he has, even though it should go no further than "Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean"; and there need be no doubt as to the result of the application. Jesus heals all who come, and casts out none. In reading the narrative in which our morning's text occurs, it is worthy of devout notice that Jesus touched the leper. This unclean person had broken through the regulations of the ceremonial law and pressed into the house, but Jesus so far from chiding him broke through the law Himself in order to meet him.

He made an interchange with the leper, for while He cleansed him, He contracted by that touch a Levitical defilement. Even so Jesus Christ was made sin for us, although in Himself He knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. O that poor sinners would go to Jesus, believing in the power of His blessed substitutionary work, and they would soon learn the power of His gracious touch. That hand which multiplied the loaves, which saved sinking Peter, which upholds afflicted saints, which crowns believers, that same hand will touch every seeking sinner, and in a moment make him clean. The love of Jesus is the source of salvation. He loves, He looks, He touches us, WE LIVE.

"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”"---Isaiah 40:8

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-04   8:51:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: GarySpFc, liberator (#9)

This from the morning with Spurgeon:

And he goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto him whom he would: and they came unto him.

—Mark 3:13

Here was sovereignty. Impatient spirits may fret and fume, because they are not called to the highest places in the ministry; but reader be it thine to rejoice that Jesus calleth whom He wills. If He shall leave me to be a doorkeeper in His house, I will cheerfully bless Him for His grace in permitting me to do anything in His service. The call of Christ's servants comes from above.

Jesus stands on the mountain, evermore above the world in holiness, earnestness, love and power. Those whom He calls must go up the mountain to Him, they must seek to rise to His level by living in constant communion with Him. They may not be able to mount to classic honours, or attain scholastic eminence, but they must like Moses go up into the mount of God and have familiar intercourse with the unseen God, or they will never be fitted to proclaim the gospel of peace. Jesus went apart to hold high fellowship with the Father, and we must enter into the same divine companionship if we would bless our fellowmen. No wonder that the apostles were clothed with power when they came down fresh from the mountain where Jesus was. This morning we must endeavour to ascend the mount of communion, that there we may be ordained to the lifework for which we are set apart.

Let us not see the face of man to-day till we have seen Jesus. Time spent with Him is laid out at blessed interest. We too shall cast out devils and work wonders if we go down into the world girded with that divine energy which Christ alone can give. It is of no use going to the Lord's battle till we are armed with heavenly weapons. We must see Jesus, this is essential. At the mercy- seat we will linger till He shall manifest Himself unto us as He doth not unto the world, and until we can truthfully say, "We were with Him in the Holy Mount."

quotquot autem receperunt eum dedit eis potestatem filios Dei fieri his qui credunt in nomine eius

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-10   8:42:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: rlk, redleghunter (#5)

If there is no God, then all that exists is time and chance acting on matter. If this is true then the difference between your thoughts and mine correspond to the difference between shaking up a bottle of Mountain Dew and a bottle of Dr. Pepper. You simply fizz atheistically and I fizz theistically. This means that you do not hold to atheism because it is true , but rather because of a series of chemical reactions… … Morality, tragedy, and sorrow are equally evanescent. They are all empty sensations created by the chemical reactions of the brain, in turn created by too much pizza the night before. If there is no God, then all abstractions are chemical epiphenomena, like swamp gas over fetid water. This means that we have no reason for assigning truth and falsity to the chemical fizz we call reasoning or right and wrong to the irrational reaction we call morality. If no God, mankind is a set of bi-pedal carbon units of mostly water. And nothing else. Douglas Wilson

Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced … more true than truth itself—Irenaeus, Against Heresies

GarySpFC  posted on  2015-09-10   9:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: GarySpFC (#11)

If no God, mankind is a set of bi-pedal carbon units of mostly water. And nothing else. Douglas Wilson

In other words, you believe in a hypothetical being to avoid consideration of your own insignificance. I have a flash from the homeland. Step outside on a clear night and view the vastness of the universe. You are but a transient insignificant speck on it somewhere.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-10   15:54:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: redleghunter (#0)

How long will it be ere they believe me?

How long will it take for you to stop spouting that romanticized claptrap and grow up?

rlk  posted on  2015-09-10   16:51:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: rlk (#13)

On the Religion tab under the title "How long will it be ere they believe me?", rlk commented:

How long will it take for you to stop spouting that romanticized claptrap and grow up?

If you don't like the thread ignore it.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.---John 3:16

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-10   17:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: rlk, GarySpFC (#12)

In other words, you believe in a hypothetical being to avoid consideration of your own insignificance.

You've avoided answering the gist of Gary's post; I'll spot you an already created matter AND living creatures; Is it your opinion that chemical reactive elements have also somehow created consciousness -- morality, tragedy, love, sorrow?

Step outside on a clear night and view the vastness of the universe. You are but a transient insignificant speck on it somewhere.

Aah -- You're an Existential Nihilist? Illogical.

You fancy yourself as a teacher and intellectual. Pop-Quiz: "From whom does a teacher learn and a deep mind deduct reason?"

Liberator  posted on  2015-09-10   17:26:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: redleghunter (#14)

If you don't like the thread ignore it.

If you don't like my comments, ignore them.

You mythology obsessed morons come here claiming to be the only authoritative voices against the counterculture and are happily presented as such with your ranting arguments which defy the principles of logic and rationality. As such, you are the best assets the cultural Marxists have and drive away more people than you convince with your pompous blabber. You are the worst thing that that could happen to furthering and defending the principle of a rational society. You've lost every round in the past 70 years but your response is to puff out your chests and repeat your losing arguments more loudly. You never learn from your failures, but repeat them because you know nothing else and reject learning anything else. You work hand in hand with those who's intention is to destroy Western civilization and this country while posturing and shouting glory to God.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-10   21:47:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Liberator (#15)

Is it your opinion that chemical reactive elements have also somehow created consciousness -- morality, tragedy, love, sorrow?

I do not know the source of sentient consciousness, and neither do you. What I have learned from advanced neurological study is that lesions, ablations, or malfunctions in parts of the brain or other portions of the physiological system can create enormous changes in all facets of personality and capability in many living creatures. You may consider that as a form of Existential Nihilism. I simply accept it as a reproducible aspect of reality. Like it or not, that's the way life is. We are chemically/physiologically dependent and stuck with it.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-10   22:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: rlk (#17)

I do not know the source of sentient consciousness, and neither do you.

Its pretty simple: I am.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-09-10   22:50:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: rlk (#16)

For something mythological to you, you sure do devote a lot of time to this subject matter.

Christians are living rent free in your head.

The rest of your comments? All assertions. That means you don't have a credible argument.

Finally I responded to your counterculture assertion last week. You never responded.

Find the inner peace of Bushito...it's not displayed in your comments.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.---John 3:16

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-11   0:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: redleghunter (#19) (Edited)

For something mythological to you, you sure do devote a lot of time to this subject matter.

Part of the subject concerns mythology. The mythology I could laugh at. What is not mythological is the number of people who believe in mythology, who defend it by specious methods, and who in presenting it as the only authoritative answer to cultural Marxism are effectively promoting it due to the easily dismissed insipidness of their arguments. You, and others, don't care if you go on losing because it gives you compensating chest-thumping authority from your own imaginary pulpits and the right to issue thundering declarations of, "I stand with God. Those who quarrel with me quarrel with God and you'll go to hell!"

Finally your question: Find the inner peace of Bushito...it's not displayed in your comments.

The proper term is modernized Bushido. Bushido gives me a peace with reality around me. Unfortunately, it does not give me peace with the unrealistic people around me. Bushido does not forbid the taking of a human life. Under the neurosis of Christianity it is called a sin. Within Bushido it is an obligation when someone crosses the boundaries of moral/ethical principle. I've been hit for 35 or 40 thousand dollars at my house and physics laboratory building site due to thievery and malicious vandalism. My solution is simple. Catch them and kill them. The Sheriff's office doesn't like my attitude. Now I'm frightened to go out to my own property for fear that I'll send somebody on the long trip. I can hear the judge and county prosecutor now bellowing "taking the law into his own hands. Judge, jury, and executioner!" in a demonstration of their brilliance while sentencing me to life in jail. They're God damned right. Somebody has to do it. Thieves have hit every other house in an adjacent rural area. If they'll turn me loose, there won't be a thief for 20 miles around who won't pee their pants at the thought of hitting the area. That's Bushido! But I am forbidden to practice some aspects of it due to the law.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-11   2:32:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: rlk, liberator (#20)

Part of the subject concerns mythology. The mythology I could laugh at. What is not mythological is the number of people who believe in mythology, who defend it by specious methods, and who in presenting it as the only authoritative answer to cultural Marxism are effectively promoting it due to the easily dismissed insipidness of their arguments.

1. "What is not mythological is the number of people who believe mythology."

That's a bit telling isn't it? You inject 'mythology' with what Christians proclaim as Truth. What you dismiss entirely is that you could be wrong and millions of Christians throughout history could be right. It may be a case of "you can't handle the Truth!"

For this your response is conjecture, opinion. Everyone has an opinion. What makes your's infallible?

2. "who defend it by specious methods, and who in presenting it as the only authoritative answer to cultural Marxism are effectively promoting it due to the easily dismissed insipidness of their arguments."

An interesting claim. Christians do uphold the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures as the Written Word of God, and thus from God we see them as the infallible standard to test truth claims. For skeptics we present the historical manuscript evidence, which is the most sound historical manuscript evidence of any in antiquity. Therefore, the scriptures are available for examination for those who wish or are led to do so. Specious hardly, yet another one of your assertions.

Answer to cultural Marxism?: The Gospel of Jesus Christ is an answer to what ails all of mankind. Marxism is a machination of man as is every other philosophy, political philosophy and 'self help/improvement' philosophy. All of which in contrast to the Gospel focuses on 'me, myself and I" and "what can I get out of society/government etc.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ (found clearly in 1 Corinthians 15) is anathema to Marxism. Marxism as with many other 'isms' is about man imposing his own will on others. The Gospel is about freeing a man or woman from the bonds of sin and death. Such is dangerous to the man centered 'isms.' That is why their is an effort on all fronts to limit or silence the message of Jesus Christ.

But, I already responded to you on this on the other thread and you have yet to respond in kind to me. Instead you continue your specious assertions based on your personal presuppositions and generalizations.

3. "You, and others, don't care if you go on losing because it gives you compensating chest-thumping authority from your own imaginary pulpits and the right to issue thundering declarations of, "I stand with God. Those who quarrel with me quarrel with God and you'll go to hell!""

The above is a reasoned response? Who is losing, and what is being lost? That is the first part you must clarify or your entire statement above is not even an assertion but a rant. The above quote from you, demonstrates you have not even considered the evidence presented from the source you are so inclined to ignore. If you read my comments from the other thread, and logically approached our follow up discussion, you would be focused on ONE point in which I opined on which I initially agreed with you on. You must have overlooked it but probably dismissed it because you like to be combative and presumptuous. To jog the memory, I offered the keen opinions and observations of Francis Schaeffer who lived through the counterculture rising in the late 50s and through the 60s to 70s and its effect on Western culture.

The proper term is modernized Bushido. Bushido gives me a peace with reality around me. Unfortunately, it does not give me peace with the unrealistic people around me.

That's sad. Either Modern Bushido is flawed in finding peace with others, or your practice of it is flawed. Or Modern Bushido is just another 'me, myself and I and be damned with others." Sounds sociopathological. The very thing you rail against.

Bushido does not forbid the taking of a human life. Under the neurosis of Christianity it is called a sin. Within Bushido it is an obligation when someone crosses the boundaries of moral/ethical principle.

The only neurosis is your understanding on the taking of life from the Scriptures. The Law and Jesus Christ never forbids a person from defending self or defenseless innocent blood. On the night Jesus was betrayed, He told his disciples to take some of the little money they had and arm themselves. Not to slice their way to Gov. Pilate, but to defend themselves if need be. The Christian scriptures makes a distinction between secular government "holding the sword" "to execute wrath on him who practices evil" and Christian conduct of not shedding blood--murder. If a Christian has the means to defend a helpless person from a person intent on murder and fails to do so, the blood of the helpless innocent person is on their hands. Some will disagree with me. For those disposed to pacifism in all cases it is a matter of conscience and I will not judge such a person.

I've been hit for 35 or 40 thousand dollars at my house and physics laboratory building site due to thievery and malicious vandalism. My solution is simple. Catch them and kill them. The Sheriff's office doesn't like my attitude. Now I'm frightened to go out to my own property for fear that I'll send somebody on the long trip. I can hear the judge and county prosecutor now bellowing "taking the law into his own hands. Judge, jury, and executioner!" in a demonstration of their brilliance while sentencing me to life in jail.

Sorry to hear about the malicious vandalism. At the root of any society in history the 'eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life' is prominent. Even in most Eastern religions and secular government laws. So you are not railing against Christianity but most of human history on the secular level. To kill another for vandalism and loss of property is not supported by any major governments nor religions in human history. Unless we look at some of the autocratic and despotic regimes of history. So Christianity is not alone in seeing "death for vandalism and property loss" as extreme. The solution to the crime in your case is for restitution of your property (OT says fivefold, fourfold, and twofold restitution depending on the property). However, if your life is at stake you have right to self defense in just about every historical political philosophy, government law and religions to include Christianity. Government (the law) is responsible to seek out your restitution.

Somebody has to do it. Thieves have hit every other house in an adjacent rural area. If they'll turn me loose, there won't be a thief for 20 miles around who won't pee their pants at the thought of hitting the area. That's Bushido! But I am forbidden to practice some aspects of it due to the law.

Good a Bushido 'neighborhood watch'! There's loads you can do without slicing and dicing a bunch of idiot vandals and theives. Most theives and vandals will go away once they know someone is watching them and with the knowledge they are armed. My buddy put some cheap hunting cameras out on his land and his problems were solved. The cameras indicated someone was watching and during hunting season, someone may be out there with rifles ready to shoot anything that moved. It was a clever operation.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.---John 3:16

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-11   10:19:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: redleghunter (#21)

Christians do uphold the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures as the Written Word of God

Christians do uphold the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures as the Written Word of God

I don't deny them the right to believe that. Whether it will be supported in the age of science, reason, and neuroticism is doubtful. I do not, and have never denied, guidance from most of the ten commandments would solve most of the social problems in this country and form the basis for personal integrity. Neither do I deny that there are what I call false atheists who have adopted absence of morality or intellectual integrity simply to procure verbal argumentative license to engage in calloused antisocial behavior and predatory impulsiveness without conscience or moral limitation. They are an embarrassment and insult to me. On the other hand I find the arguments of many religious zealots to be equally as self indulgent, self-serving, and mentally undisciplined as that of the false atheists. We are cursed with a predominance of both false atheists and destructive religionists. Currently, we have ceded control of Western civilization to both of them with disastrous results.

I am going to need to finish my reply on a word processor and post the entirety here because the liberty flame engine will cut me off if I don't.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-11   23:11:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: rlk (#22)

Interesting and accurate.

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.---Revelation 1:5b-6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-11   23:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: redleghunter, stoner, grand island, all (#21)

Jere is the completed analysis I promised you:

Christians do uphold the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures as the Written Word of God

I don't deny them the right to believe that. Whether it will be supported in the age of science, reason, and neuroticism is doubtful. I do not, and have never denied, guidance from most of the ten commandments would solve most of the social problems in this country and form the basis for personal integrity. Neither do I deny that there are what I call false atheists who have adopted absence of morality or intellectual integrity simply to procure verbal argumentative license to engage in calloused antisocial behavior and predatory impulsiveness without conscience or moral limitation. They are an embarrassment and insult to me. On the other hand I find the arguments of many religious zealots to be equally as self indulgent, self-serving, and mentally undisciplined as that of the false atheists. We are cursed with a predominance of both false atheists and destructive religionists. Currently, we have ceded control of Western civilization to both of them with disastrous results. There is, practically speaking , no one to refute the false atheists while the destructive religionists drive off more people than they attract with their primitive thundering mythology from the pulpit which will never pass scientific or logocal muster.

At the root of any society in history the 'eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life' is prominent. Even in most Eastern religions and secular government laws. So you are not railing against Christianity but most of human history on the secular level. To kill another for vandalism and loss of property is not supported by any major governments nor religions in human history. Unless we look at some of the autocratic and despotic regimes of history. So Christianity is not alone in seeing "death for vandalism and property loss" as extreme. The solution to the crime in your case is for restitution of your property (OT says fivefold, fourfold, and twofold restitution depending on the property). However, if your life is at stake you have right to self defense in just about every historical political philosophy, government law and religions to include Christianity. Government (the law) is responsible to seek out your restitution.

Somebody has to do it. Thieves have hit every other house in an adjacent rural area. If they'll turn me loose, there won't be a thief for 20 miles around who won't pee their pants at the thought of hitting the area. That's Bushido! But I am forbidden to practice some aspects of it due to the law.

Good a Bushido 'neighborhood watch'! There's loads you can do without slicing and dicing a bunch of idiot vandals and theives. Most theives and vandals will go away once they know someone is watching them and with the knowledge they are armed. My buddy put some cheap hunting cameras out on his land and his problems were solved. The cameras indicated someone was watching and during hunting season, someone may be out there with rifles ready to shoot anything that moved. It was a clever operation.

I have 14 no trespassing signs on my property, which is rural. I am too old to use a Samurai Katana although I plan to buy a high quality from Japan as a Christmas present to myself this year as a form of military artwork. At this point I am limited to firearm use. I shoot pistol at 100 yards and have a rifle that is good for half a mile. Cameras are no good. The bastards are crawling through the unfinished windows to get in. If they see cameras inside they will simply destroy or steal them. I asked the sheriff’s department if I could set bear traps inside to catch them. I was told I couldn’t do that because it wasn’t trapping season. I have designed a booby trap that uses 12 guage buckshot. Nobody likes that idea either.

I have another group to contend with I call the weekend warriors. A guy has set up an army infiltration course on my property complete with nitro pits that shake the ground a quarter mile away that is cracking the foundation of my buildings to train a bunch of goofs in military combat. They think, comes the revolution, they’re ready to make war on somebody.

I’ve had my apartment robbed three times. The first time they got a premium grade 9mm pistol and a PPK. I’ve never cared much for the PPK except for its formidible appearance in James Bond movies. The 9mm is only available at out of state specialty gun shops and is nearly impossible to replace. The second time I got taken for a workhorse 9mm automatic and my pocket-carry premium grade .380 that was far superior to the PPK in all areas of functioning. The 9mm was supposedly put in the state police evidence locker for display at the thief’s trial . I’ll never see it again. The .380 mysteriously disappeared when the thief was captured. Somebody at the state police probably pocketed it under the rarionalization that an old fart such as myself woudn’t know what to do with it, or the value of it. The lesson I learned is never trust a cop when he places your pistol in the evidence locker for trial. The cops are slicker than the thieves. The third time a 20 year old kid, accompanied by his mother, pocketed a $750 stainless .45 cal American Derringer I kept hidden near the phone when I left to pee. He used the phone and surrepticiously pocketed the pistol. I didn’t check for it when I came back. These kids can case a joint better and faster than anybody portrayed in the movies. When they get to be 30 or 35 years old they still act like kids and are doing the same thing.

I am not a gun-crazed killer. I do not hunt animals for pleasure or sport. My rule is: If it leaves me alone, I leave it alone. I do not like poisonous snakes or coyotes. Coyotes kill dogs and I love dogs. I also get along well with wolves. I could have taken several deer on my property with a pistol, but didn’t do it. Yet, in an apparent superficial contradiction, I have little regard for the taking of a human life if that life’s style of living exceeds the parameters of conscience, respect and integrity. To me, such a person is no better than a poisonous snake or coyote, but is better at setting a trap to ensnare victims. This eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth limitation that you say reflects Christian values imposes walking what is known as a neuotic tighhtrope that offers opportunity for institutionalized corruption to take precedance with quibbling self-serving lawyers and judges getting out their distorted yardsticks to measure what constitutes the hypothetical distance or value between eyes and teeth and what is excessive retribution while victims are denied protection and nothing gets done. The question is: “What can a sane intended victim do to prevent, or as a reasonable reaction to, attack or destruction? My answer is: Do not provoke my foreseeable wrath! Don’t screw around with my life or well being! If you do, it is assumption of risk on your part. It’s your primary decision. That, is an expression of one of the principles of modern bushido.

At the present time the hyenas are taking control of the world while we engage in silly self-destructive word games that deny their responsibility and assumption of risk. We’re big boys and girls here at camp. If you don’t like the forseeable consequences of committing an act, don’t commit the act and then complain when the consequences catch up with you.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-15   3:19:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: rlk (#24)

Thank you for your reasoned comments. In "the field" this week with work matters. I believe I owe you a reasoned response in kind--- forthcoming.

I will say you have serious law and order problems. Which is an understatement.

To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.---Revelation 1:5b-6

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-15   7:31:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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