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Title: How long will it be ere they believe me?
Source: Blue Letter Bible
URL Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/devo ... me/view.cfm?Date=08/27&Time=am
Published: Aug 27, 2015
Author: Charles Spurgeon
Post Date: 2015-08-27 08:17:32 by redleghunter
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How long will it be ere they believe me?

—Numbers 14:11

Strive with all diligence to keep out that monster unbelief. It so dishonours Christ, that He will withdraw His visible presence if we insult Him by indulging it. It is true it is a weed, the seeds of which we can never entirely extract from the soil, but we must aim at its root with zeal and perseverance. Among hateful things it is the most to be abhorred. Its injurious nature is so venomous that he that exerciseth it and he upon whom it is exercised are both hurt thereby.

In thy case, O believer! it is most wicked, for the mercies of thy Lord in the past, increase thy guilt in doubting Him now. When thou dost distrust the Lord Jesus, He may well cry out, "Behold I am pressed under you, as a cart is pressed that is full of sheaves." This is crowning His head with thorns of the sharpest kind. It is very cruel for a well-beloved wife to mistrust a kind and faithful husband. The sin is needless, foolish, and unwarranted. Jesus has never given the slightest ground for suspicion, and it is hard to be doubted by those to whom our conduct is uniformly affectionate and true.

Jesus is the Son of the Highest, and has unbounded wealth; it is shameful to doubt Omnipotence and distrust all-sufficiency. The cattle on a thousand hills will suffice for our most hungry feeding, and the granaries of heaven are not likely to be emptied by our eating. If Christ were only a cistern, we might soon exhaust His fulness, but who can drain a fountain? Myriads of spirits have drawn their supplies from Him, and not one of them has murmured at the scantiness of His resources. Away, then, with this lying traitor unbelief, for his only errand is to cut the bonds of communion and make us mourn an absent Saviour. Bunyan tells us that unbelief has "as many lives as a cat:" if so, let us kill one life now, and continue the work till the whole nine are gone. Down with thee, thou traitor, my heart abhors thee.


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#13. To: redleghunter (#0)

How long will it be ere they believe me?

How long will it take for you to stop spouting that romanticized claptrap and grow up?

rlk  posted on  2015-09-10   16:51:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: rlk (#13)

On the Religion tab under the title "How long will it be ere they believe me?", rlk commented:

How long will it take for you to stop spouting that romanticized claptrap and grow up?

If you don't like the thread ignore it.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-10   17:01:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: redleghunter (#14)

If you don't like the thread ignore it.

If you don't like my comments, ignore them.

You mythology obsessed morons come here claiming to be the only authoritative voices against the counterculture and are happily presented as such with your ranting arguments which defy the principles of logic and rationality. As such, you are the best assets the cultural Marxists have and drive away more people than you convince with your pompous blabber. You are the worst thing that that could happen to furthering and defending the principle of a rational society. You've lost every round in the past 70 years but your response is to puff out your chests and repeat your losing arguments more loudly. You never learn from your failures, but repeat them because you know nothing else and reject learning anything else. You work hand in hand with those who's intention is to destroy Western civilization and this country while posturing and shouting glory to God.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-10   21:47:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: rlk (#16)

For something mythological to you, you sure do devote a lot of time to this subject matter.

Christians are living rent free in your head.

The rest of your comments? All assertions. That means you don't have a credible argument.

Finally I responded to your counterculture assertion last week. You never responded.

Find the inner peace of Bushito...it's not displayed in your comments.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-11   0:44:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: redleghunter (#19) (Edited)

For something mythological to you, you sure do devote a lot of time to this subject matter.

Part of the subject concerns mythology. The mythology I could laugh at. What is not mythological is the number of people who believe in mythology, who defend it by specious methods, and who in presenting it as the only authoritative answer to cultural Marxism are effectively promoting it due to the easily dismissed insipidness of their arguments. You, and others, don't care if you go on losing because it gives you compensating chest-thumping authority from your own imaginary pulpits and the right to issue thundering declarations of, "I stand with God. Those who quarrel with me quarrel with God and you'll go to hell!"

Finally your question: Find the inner peace of Bushito...it's not displayed in your comments.

The proper term is modernized Bushido. Bushido gives me a peace with reality around me. Unfortunately, it does not give me peace with the unrealistic people around me. Bushido does not forbid the taking of a human life. Under the neurosis of Christianity it is called a sin. Within Bushido it is an obligation when someone crosses the boundaries of moral/ethical principle. I've been hit for 35 or 40 thousand dollars at my house and physics laboratory building site due to thievery and malicious vandalism. My solution is simple. Catch them and kill them. The Sheriff's office doesn't like my attitude. Now I'm frightened to go out to my own property for fear that I'll send somebody on the long trip. I can hear the judge and county prosecutor now bellowing "taking the law into his own hands. Judge, jury, and executioner!" in a demonstration of their brilliance while sentencing me to life in jail. They're God damned right. Somebody has to do it. Thieves have hit every other house in an adjacent rural area. If they'll turn me loose, there won't be a thief for 20 miles around who won't pee their pants at the thought of hitting the area. That's Bushido! But I am forbidden to practice some aspects of it due to the law.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-11   2:32:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: rlk, liberator (#20)

Part of the subject concerns mythology. The mythology I could laugh at. What is not mythological is the number of people who believe in mythology, who defend it by specious methods, and who in presenting it as the only authoritative answer to cultural Marxism are effectively promoting it due to the easily dismissed insipidness of their arguments.

1. "What is not mythological is the number of people who believe mythology."

That's a bit telling isn't it? You inject 'mythology' with what Christians proclaim as Truth. What you dismiss entirely is that you could be wrong and millions of Christians throughout history could be right. It may be a case of "you can't handle the Truth!"

For this your response is conjecture, opinion. Everyone has an opinion. What makes your's infallible?

2. "who defend it by specious methods, and who in presenting it as the only authoritative answer to cultural Marxism are effectively promoting it due to the easily dismissed insipidness of their arguments."

An interesting claim. Christians do uphold the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures as the Written Word of God, and thus from God we see them as the infallible standard to test truth claims. For skeptics we present the historical manuscript evidence, which is the most sound historical manuscript evidence of any in antiquity. Therefore, the scriptures are available for examination for those who wish or are led to do so. Specious hardly, yet another one of your assertions.

Answer to cultural Marxism?: The Gospel of Jesus Christ is an answer to what ails all of mankind. Marxism is a machination of man as is every other philosophy, political philosophy and 'self help/improvement' philosophy. All of which in contrast to the Gospel focuses on 'me, myself and I" and "what can I get out of society/government etc.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ (found clearly in 1 Corinthians 15) is anathema to Marxism. Marxism as with many other 'isms' is about man imposing his own will on others. The Gospel is about freeing a man or woman from the bonds of sin and death. Such is dangerous to the man centered 'isms.' That is why their is an effort on all fronts to limit or silence the message of Jesus Christ.

But, I already responded to you on this on the other thread and you have yet to respond in kind to me. Instead you continue your specious assertions based on your personal presuppositions and generalizations.

3. "You, and others, don't care if you go on losing because it gives you compensating chest-thumping authority from your own imaginary pulpits and the right to issue thundering declarations of, "I stand with God. Those who quarrel with me quarrel with God and you'll go to hell!""

The above is a reasoned response? Who is losing, and what is being lost? That is the first part you must clarify or your entire statement above is not even an assertion but a rant. The above quote from you, demonstrates you have not even considered the evidence presented from the source you are so inclined to ignore. If you read my comments from the other thread, and logically approached our follow up discussion, you would be focused on ONE point in which I opined on which I initially agreed with you on. You must have overlooked it but probably dismissed it because you like to be combative and presumptuous. To jog the memory, I offered the keen opinions and observations of Francis Schaeffer who lived through the counterculture rising in the late 50s and through the 60s to 70s and its effect on Western culture.

The proper term is modernized Bushido. Bushido gives me a peace with reality around me. Unfortunately, it does not give me peace with the unrealistic people around me.

That's sad. Either Modern Bushido is flawed in finding peace with others, or your practice of it is flawed. Or Modern Bushido is just another 'me, myself and I and be damned with others." Sounds sociopathological. The very thing you rail against.

Bushido does not forbid the taking of a human life. Under the neurosis of Christianity it is called a sin. Within Bushido it is an obligation when someone crosses the boundaries of moral/ethical principle.

The only neurosis is your understanding on the taking of life from the Scriptures. The Law and Jesus Christ never forbids a person from defending self or defenseless innocent blood. On the night Jesus was betrayed, He told his disciples to take some of the little money they had and arm themselves. Not to slice their way to Gov. Pilate, but to defend themselves if need be. The Christian scriptures makes a distinction between secular government "holding the sword" "to execute wrath on him who practices evil" and Christian conduct of not shedding blood--murder. If a Christian has the means to defend a helpless person from a person intent on murder and fails to do so, the blood of the helpless innocent person is on their hands. Some will disagree with me. For those disposed to pacifism in all cases it is a matter of conscience and I will not judge such a person.

I've been hit for 35 or 40 thousand dollars at my house and physics laboratory building site due to thievery and malicious vandalism. My solution is simple. Catch them and kill them. The Sheriff's office doesn't like my attitude. Now I'm frightened to go out to my own property for fear that I'll send somebody on the long trip. I can hear the judge and county prosecutor now bellowing "taking the law into his own hands. Judge, jury, and executioner!" in a demonstration of their brilliance while sentencing me to life in jail.

Sorry to hear about the malicious vandalism. At the root of any society in history the 'eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life' is prominent. Even in most Eastern religions and secular government laws. So you are not railing against Christianity but most of human history on the secular level. To kill another for vandalism and loss of property is not supported by any major governments nor religions in human history. Unless we look at some of the autocratic and despotic regimes of history. So Christianity is not alone in seeing "death for vandalism and property loss" as extreme. The solution to the crime in your case is for restitution of your property (OT says fivefold, fourfold, and twofold restitution depending on the property). However, if your life is at stake you have right to self defense in just about every historical political philosophy, government law and religions to include Christianity. Government (the law) is responsible to seek out your restitution.

Somebody has to do it. Thieves have hit every other house in an adjacent rural area. If they'll turn me loose, there won't be a thief for 20 miles around who won't pee their pants at the thought of hitting the area. That's Bushido! But I am forbidden to practice some aspects of it due to the law.

Good a Bushido 'neighborhood watch'! There's loads you can do without slicing and dicing a bunch of idiot vandals and theives. Most theives and vandals will go away once they know someone is watching them and with the knowledge they are armed. My buddy put some cheap hunting cameras out on his land and his problems were solved. The cameras indicated someone was watching and during hunting season, someone may be out there with rifles ready to shoot anything that moved. It was a clever operation.

redleghunter  posted on  2015-09-11   10:19:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: redleghunter (#21)

Christians do uphold the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures as the Written Word of God

Christians do uphold the Hebrew and Christian Scriptures as the Written Word of God

I don't deny them the right to believe that. Whether it will be supported in the age of science, reason, and neuroticism is doubtful. I do not, and have never denied, guidance from most of the ten commandments would solve most of the social problems in this country and form the basis for personal integrity. Neither do I deny that there are what I call false atheists who have adopted absence of morality or intellectual integrity simply to procure verbal argumentative license to engage in calloused antisocial behavior and predatory impulsiveness without conscience or moral limitation. They are an embarrassment and insult to me. On the other hand I find the arguments of many religious zealots to be equally as self indulgent, self-serving, and mentally undisciplined as that of the false atheists. We are cursed with a predominance of both false atheists and destructive religionists. Currently, we have ceded control of Western civilization to both of them with disastrous results.

I am going to need to finish my reply on a word processor and post the entirety here because the liberty flame engine will cut me off if I don't.

rlk  posted on  2015-09-11   23:11:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: rlk (#22)

Interesting and accurate.

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