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Title: The new explanation: Trump voters are dangerous
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HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/ ... on-trump-voters-are-dangerous/
Published: Aug 19, 2015
Author: Jazz Shaw
Post Date: 2015-08-22 08:41:09 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 3169
Comments: 37
Well, the unenviable task of answering that question falls to Matt Lewis this week, and he’s hot on the trail of a fresh explanation. You see, The Donald is the answer for people who are so beat down, left behind and simply angry that they feel there’s nothing left to lose, so they might as well go crazy. (Some emphasis added) It’s logical: If you’ve got nothing to lose, and Candidate A is telling you he can magically fix all your problems — and Candidate B is telling you he will do his best, but “politics is hard and change takes time” — why wouldn’t you take a chance with Candidate A?… The problem, of course, is for those of us who do have something to lose. Now, I realize that by saying this, I risk sounding like an elitist. It is ironic that I, the son of a prison guard could sound like an elitist in chastising a billionaire real estate mogul, but it’s important for those of us observing and writing about this to simultaneously realize two things: 1). There are a lot of vulnerable people out there who are understandably hurt and frustrated, and have lost faith in the American Dream, and 2). Vulnerable people are the most easily manipulated by false prophets. Whether it’s a stranger approaching you in a dark alley, or someone entering the voting booth, the most dangerous person you’ll encounter is someone who believes he has nothing left to lose. Dangerous? Easily manipulated by false prophets? In terms of the five stages of grief, I think Matt has successfully cleared denial and anger and is currently teetering between bargaining and depression. (We’re still a good ways from acceptance, though.) There’s at least one cautionary note I’d send Matt’s way, however, and it’s the same one which I’ve brought up with other folks in the past. No matter how dismayed you may be over Trump’s ascendancy and no matter how soon you think it’s coming to an end, it’s probably never a good strategy to frame your explanation for his success in the form of an insult to the people who are supporting him. Let’s assume for a moment that you’re right and that Trump will eventually fall out of favor. You’re probably going to want his supporters to back your candidate. Or at least you’ll hope that they’ll show up and vote for somebody without a D after their name. Ticking them off accomplishes nothing. I completely agree that there is a large swath of voters out there (and they’re not all Republicans… many of them might not even normally be voters) who feel completely abandoned by the government and the leadership of both parties. People like that would certainly be attracted to a new voice echoing the things they feel. But that doesn’t mean that they are desperate or have “nothing left to lose.” Maybe they’re just tired of the status quo and want something better. That may be precisely the opposite of desperation… it just might be hope. But in any event, all of this is based on some assumptions which aren’t looking quite so iron clad these days. Let’s review all the things we’ve “known” so far, shall we? I’m not endorsing anyone at this point, Matt. We have a broad, diverse field with a bunch of talented folks in it. But at some point we may have to just acknowledge that Trump may not just dry up and blow away. When the time comes, I’m going to vote for the GOP nominee. But by now you must have had one or two nights where you lay awake and the thought crept into your head saying that it just might be Trump. I was going to type a final rejoinder to drive the point home for you, Matt, but really… this says it all:
(1 image) This is becoming something of an almost comfortable ritual at this point. Another week goes by, Donald Trump does or says something to generate a new round of headlines, everyone predicts that he’s on the way out, and the next poll shows The Donald further ahead than ever. Then the veteran analysts are left staring at their laptops forlornly, stuck with the unenviable task of writing something to explain why. Once the first set of numbers came out which showed that not only was Trump on top of the GOP heap but was within striking distance of Hillary in the general (and losing to her by less than Jeb, by the way) the task became even more of a burden. This morning, our friend Jim Geraghty was forced to struggle with the question – and I quote – What if Donald Trump Really is… Electable? There is a courage born out of desperation. People who feel they have nothing to live for — and nothing to lose — might as well throw a Hail Mary and hope for the best. And make no mistake, there are plenty of Americans right now who truly feel they’ve been left behind. They are likely among the most susceptible to Donald Trump’s message. 
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#1. To: TooConservative (#0)
Can't wait to see the GOP platform if they make Trump the standard bearer . One thing we know is that if they adopt his planks it won't be a conservative platform.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
It is interesting to see the reaction to Trump by the GOPe. The usual GOP/conservative pundits have split into two camps: the anti-Trump camp and anti-anti-Trump camp. The anti-anti-Trumps don't want to vote for Trump or for him to be the GOP nominee, they are more opposed to the anti-Trumps trying to drum him out of the race summarily. Jazz Shaw seems to have joined the anti-anti-Trump camp. I recall Bill Kristol as the first notable GOPe pundit who described himself as anti-anti-Trump. He thought the anti-anti-Trumps were more damaging to the GOP than Trump was.
Uh-huh. The GOP is oh so conservative and along comes Trump to ruin it. You're a funny guy.
And for good reason -- Trump will go third-party.
I think WS is overall still a Walker stronghold (on issues like having a plan to replace ObamaCare with something workable) but found this podcast interesting. Weekly Standard:
Open borders is a Bush position not a conservative one. Big government liberals such as yourself support those huge organazations like the WTO telling us what to do. You support big government. Not very conservative.
Rand Paul will probably be the first to drop out. Even before Perry. He had promise then went squishy.
Trump is a great candidate. He says what a lot of us believe. He has a track record of real success in business and has made a lot of money through work (as opposed to through collecting donations). He is directly addressing issues that the Republican Party has chosen to get on the wrong side of. He's got a lot of passionate people supporting him. The other eunuchs do not inspire anybody. Trump's a good speaker, and he's fun to watch, and he handles himself very well when punched: he punches back, hard, and he wins the point. He's going to be the nominee, and bring in so many people that he is going to take over the GOP and change its doctrine. And as head of the Party, which the President is, he will remove the staff that fought him, and put in better staff, people with vision, people who are not decades long losers. It's High Noon in America, and the first posse of villains that got off the train to shoot the hero were the media. They got gunned down at the Fox corral. Now the Establishment GOP has come into the square, and they're about to get gunned down. Once they're gone, tossing out Boss Hogg Biden and his screaming harpy running mate will be a piece of cake. Then we'll have elected the new sheriff mayor also, and things will get better for the whole country. TRUMP - IT'S HIGH NOON IN AMERICA
I doubt it. He can likely hold a 5%-7% position as long as he wants which will keep him in the race. But this thread is not about Rand Paul.
When WHEN, pray tell, has the Republican party enacted their platform? Balanced budget? Outlaw abortion? Restrict abortion? Pay down the debt? Cut the size and scope of the Federal Govt? Eliminate the EPA? DOE? DOA? HUD? Build a border fence with the money budgeted, the people actually promised and project started?
and when he selects Kim Kardashian as his running mate he'll have a lock on the nomination. Yeah he says what everyone thinks . Everyone thinks you can round up 30 million people and deport them. So that's what he says he'll do. Ask him how and he sounds like Ralph Kramden ......."huminahuminahumina"...... then he goes into bombastics "I'll do it ....I build great hotels !!! anyone who thinks differently is a loser !" He says he'll take back jobs from Japan and China . When he's asked how he says "Trust me I know how to get things done " . He says that the emperor and JFKerry did a lousy job negotiating the Iran nuke deal. When asked if he'd reverse the decision he says " No ..... but don't worry .....I know how to read the fine print " . The guy is nonsense . All he's selling is a different brand of hopey/changy . Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Actually, he's a lousy candidate by any measure. He has used his fame to hit a real hot-button issue with a past record of causing major political fires in the GOP: amnesty/open borders. Trump's is just the latest outburst of this phenomenon. Recall 2006 and 2007 in particular when the GOP base and conservative bloggers/pundits went absolutely ape-shit over the McStain-Graham-Hagel and other plans for Shamnesty. Anyway, Trump really has just one issue. I don't see that carrying him to the nomination; he has to do a lot more to get people to take him seriously. Look at his campaign site. He has only one position paper: illegals. It is impressive how he has used his notoriety to fuel a debate that the GOPe has tried not to allow anyone to have. Other GOP pols like Sessions and Cruz have tried for years to have this fight with the elite. Only Trump has really managed to put the issue front and center and keep it there. Trump has even forced libmedia (ABCNNBCBS) to offer some coverage on the issue. Guy Benson of HA was on FNC, talking about Trump with a bald eagle. “Keep in mind, the bald eagle is the classiest
VS the BS the other eunuchs are selling? Bush, Kasich, Rubio, Perry, Christie, Huckabee, etc, etc all members of the GOP establishment? Give me a break, they are all losers. Si vis pacem, para bellum
And you are trying to sell us on staying prisoner of the older destructive brand.
Fresh on Drudge:
nope .There are other candidates who are not beholden to the GOP establishment statists that I could support . Cruz has been taking them on in the Senate .Walker has taken them on in a state dominated by lefties and he has some accomplishments to show for his efforts . Trump builds nice buildings and has shtick. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
They're also imaginary as no one has ever actually voted for Trump in any kind of general election. There are three kinds of people in the world: those that can add and those that can't
Importing 10's of millions of democrats is a very left wing liberal position.
There are a lot of vulnerable mentally handicapped people who are easily manipulated to thinking Bush or Clinton will lead us to the promised land.
It is so smug and condescending. His prison guard daddy is supposed to be his get-out-of-jail card if someone criticizes him (accurately) for being an elitist mouthpiece.
They're also imaginary as no one has ever actually voted for Trump in any kind of general election. In the leftist world, a mission-oriented imagination is as good as reality.
For the time being, Trump's brand of shtick is more useful in upsetting the degerate status quo than other's transient "elect me" bull crap.
Biden Warren v Trump Rubio. Trump wins. 8 years. Rubio succeeds, 8 years. Completely different country in 16 years. A better one. Unless we go nuts for imperialism.
Biden will pledge 4 years only. Meaning his VP pick will be important. Warren is toxic to Wall Street. Meaning no Wall Street money if she is the nominee or VP pick in 2016. She's young enough to wait for 2020 or 2024. I think the meeting was Joe Biden making sure that she wasn't going to run in 2016 and that he would have her support to shore up his Left wing if he runs. Biden would pick a Midwest governor or senator as VP, I think. Or a black or Hispanic.
No. Biden needs a woman to replace Hillary. Also, Obama is a popular and powerful leader - the Democrat party will unite behind him. And the Republican field is exceptionally weak, except for Trump, but at this point nobody except seers believes that Trump will be the nominee. So to Warren, this will look like THE time. Biden will not pledge to 4 years only. That would be weak. He may well only serve four years, but he will not pledge to that. And he will not need to. It will be Biden Warren. Trump will pick Rubio. And Trump will be President.
Except that he doesn't like Rubio. And he has a bromance with Cruz, the only Beltway pol he does like. Or this: HA: The GOP establishment’s nightmare: What if the race comes down to Trump versus Ted Cruz? In this race with a crowded field, Trump can play his hand a hundred different ways.
Trump can play his hand a hundred different ways. Here is the way he will play it: (1) Once he is running away with the primaries, it will be clear that the vox populi republicanus is with him and that he will be the nominee, most of the dwarves will drop out. The Establishment will attempt to cause the party to coalesce around an anti-Trump, and that will be Jeb or Walker, but it clearly will not work. (2) Trump will want to solidify the party Establishment behind him. Jeb's not acceptable. Walker is dull. Rubio is young and interesting, and is the "heir" to the Establishment, so Trump will pick him. (3) A Cruz pick would give "more of the same" as Trump, but lesser. The Establishment hates Cruz more than they hate Trump. Cruz has a mouth and has discomfited them. Trump has cash and has paid a lot of them. (4) Cruz shores him up with Hispanics, and helps with women, and he's young and more impressionable. Trump can mold Rubio in 8 years. He can't mold Jeb, and Rubio brings more to the table than Walker. To unite the Party and strengthen his hand with Hispanics and women, and to give a clear vision of possibly 16 years of stability to the Establishment, he'll pick Rubio. Trump Rubio is the worst nightmare for the Left. Nobody who supports Trump fiercely will refuse to vote for Trump because of the Veep pick, and the whole Establishment will see their own eventual regaining of control with Rubio as the heir apparent. Trump will see Rubio as "turnable", and he WILL turn Rubio. And Trump will be a wildly popular President, so in the future it will be as it was with Reagan: people who couldn't stand him will praise him in hindsight.
But don't you think a few more of the candidates have to drop out before his percentage will get high enough to hold off the GOPe candidate?? Yeah kind makes you wish you were a fly on the wall for their meetings/conversations... Trump's popularity seems proof that a large percentage of the people have had their fill of both parties.
You overestimate the value of the VP pick, both with Warren and with Rubio. In the end, people vote for the top of the ticket. Period. These days, you can't even count on a VP pick to bring in 5% in their own home state. Palin was the last VP pick who brought in some excitement and fanbois and that didn't turn out so well in part because, yes, voters know they are voting for the top of the ticket, not the VP pick. All the talk of VP picks is premature to the point being silly. You've already picked the nominee so it's time to pick his VP for him? It would be ludicrous to think anyone knows who Trump would want for VP and other key jobs. And announcing that Carl Icahn would be his Treasury secretary and his chief trade negotiator is not exactly reassuring.
People have had their fill of both parties for awhile they just didn't know/realize how much the same they both were until the last few elections. They used to vote for the "Lesser of 2 evils" but now realize that isn't going to get it done and are ready for a massive overhaul... Am wondering how many pols will recognize this before they start ending up in ditches face down??? At least half of them. Even if you get down to a smaller field (Bush, Rubio, Walker, Kasich, Carson, Cruz, Paul, Fiorina), you still have seven rival campaigns splitting the non-Trump anti-Bush vote. OTOH, if Trump loses supporters over the next few months, they would tend to gravitate toward Walker, Cruz, Paul, Carson. A lot of voters aren't paying much attention yet in key states like IA/NH/SC. The fundamentals of the race shift after each one, depending on how a candidate finishes in each primary.
Nevertheless, it will be Rubio, and a 20 year strategy, not anything like the traditional 'way it has been". The forces of traditional conservatism (as in: it's always been this way, and it's going to be that way again, because we say so) are going to be drubbed. Things are changing, for good, with Trump. He's going to win it differently from the old script, and write a new one along the way. And in the new script, the VP is intentionally picked to be the right hand man of the President, with the full expressed intention that he will be the successor who takes over at the end of 8 years.
You're as giddy as a schoolgirl over Trump. Finally, the one Republican tycoon that you can truly love. Given so many of your past statements about the Republican elite, I find it bizarre that you've fallen for Trump, head over heels.
I need him: he fights.
#2. To: tomder55 (#1)
#3. To: tomder55 (#1)
"One thing we know is that if they adopt his planks it won't be a conservative platform."
#4. To: TooConservative (#2)
"they are more opposed to the anti-Trumps trying to drum him out of the race summarily."
#5. To: tomder55 (#1)
Why Are GOP Front-Runners Fading?
Hint: It's not Trump's fault.
#6. To: tomder55 (#1)
#7. To: TooConservative (#5)
#8. To: TooConservative (#0)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Rand Paul will probably be the first to drop out. Even before Perry.
#10. To: tomder55 (#1)
#11. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
Trump's a good speaker, and he's fun to watch, and he handles himself very well when punched: he punches back, hard, and he wins the point.
#12. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
Trump is a great candidate.
and most luxurious of eagles. Whereas other types
of eagle — the lesser eagles, if you will — are losers and slobs.”
#13. To: tomder55 (#11)
" All he's selling is a different brand of hopey/changy . "
#14. To: tomder55 (#11)
(Edited)
The guy is nonsense . All he's selling is a different brand of hopey/changy .
#15. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
Once they're gone, tossing out Boss Hogg Biden and his screaming harpy running mate will be a piece of cake.
#16. To: rlk (#14)
And you are trying to sell us on staying prisoner of the older destructive brand.
#17. To: TooConservative (#0)
Trump voters are dangerous
#18. To: A K A Stone (#6)
You support big government. Not very conservative.
#19. To: TooConservative (#0)
[Jazz Shaw] Now, I realize that by saying this, I risk sounding like an elitist. It is ironic that I, the son of a prison guard could sound like an elitist in chastising a billionaire real estate mogul, but it’s important for those of us observing and writing about this to simultaneously realize two things: 1). There are a lot of vulnerable people out there who are understandably hurt and frustrated, and have lost faith in the American Dream, and 2). Vulnerable people are the most easily manipulated by false prophets. Whether it’s a stranger approaching you in a dark alley, or someone entering the voting booth, the most dangerous person you’ll encounter is someone who believes he has nothing left to lose.
#20. To: nolu chan (#19)
...I, the son of a prison guard could sound like an elitist...
#21. To: cranky (#17)
Trump voters are dangerous
#22. To: tomder55 (#16)
(Edited)
Trump builds nice buildings and has shtick.
#23. To: TooConservative (#15)
#24. To: Vicomte13 (#23)
Biden Warren v Trump Rubio.
#25. To: TooConservative (#24)
#26. To: Vicomte13 (#25)
Trump will pick Rubio.
#27. To: TooConservative (#26)
#28. To: TooConservative (#26)
In this race with a crowded field, Trump can play his hand a hundred different ways.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#29. To: TooConservative (#26)
And he has a bromance with Cruz
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#30. To: CZ82 (#28)
#31. To: Vicomte13 (#27)
Trump Rubio is the worst nightmare for the Left. Nobody who supports Trump fiercely will refuse to vote for Trump because of the Veep pick, and the whole Establishment will see their own eventual regaining of control with Rubio as the heir apparent.
#32. To: Don (#30)
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#33. To: CZ82 (#28)
But don't you think a few more of the candidates have to drop out before his percentage will get high enough to hold off the GOPe candidate??
#34. To: TooConservative (#31)
#35. To: Vicomte13 (#34)
#36. To: TooConservative (#35)
(Edited)
#37. To: Vicomte13 (#36)
I need him: he fights.
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