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Title: Mommy
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URL Source: http://www.christianpatriot.com/mommy.htm
Published: Aug 20, 2015
Author: Pastor Bob Celeste for ACP
Post Date: 2015-08-20 08:45:35 by BobCeleste
Keywords: ACP
Views: 3527
Comments: 23
Mommy keep me safe, I'm only six weeks old today, Where are we going mommy, What's happening mommy, Bye mommy
by "Rachel Burns"
Mommy keep me warm,
Handle me with all your love,
Mommy keep me from harm.
This birthday gift to me,
A pair of bright blue eyes,
That someday you will see.
I've barely got ears,
A little puppy nose,
and at the end of my feet,
Little things called toes.
Looking forward to my life,
toys, teddy bears, snails,
and long fairy tales.
in a bath, on a bus ride or,
perhaps far away.
Where are we going being pushed
at all force.
How funny it feels passing through
doors,
people dressed in green,
if they hurt you mommy just scream.
I'm starting to cry,
Mommy come quickly,
they're making me die,
Killing me slowly,
Pulling me apart,
everything inside of me
even my heart,
Bye mommy, good-bye
But how I wanted to see
the grass, the trees,
hear a sweet song,
feel a sweet breeze.
good-bye
I love you
I really do
.
.
.
.
I just wish you could have loved me too.
No, it's not a choice,
it is a baby!
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#1. To: BobCeleste, liberator, Vicomte13, GarySpFc, Chuck_Wagon, Don, out damned spot, cranky (#0)
Thank you Bob. How sad. Here's knowing these babies although slaughtered in the womb (and out of it too), they are now playing at the nail pierced feet of our Master our Lord Jesus Christ.
Some, not all, but some.
Some, not all, but some. Only some? Why not all? They are all completely innocent, having committed no sin.
read John 3:1-21.
If you are taking that "no one" to include unborn babies, then every aborted baby cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven, because unbaptized and not begotten anew. This was the classic "Limbo" situation. On the one hand, babies are without sin, and those without sin are not judged. On the other hand, no one who is not begotten anew of water and spirit can enter the kingdom. So, is a newborn, or not-yet-born, baby included in this "anyone"? If the doctrine of Original Sin is true, then that's precisely what it means: until the child is baptized, although he has COMMITTED no sin, nevertheless he is in sin - Original Sin - and because unbaptized by water, cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Hence the urgency to baptize babies as soon as possible, so they do not die with original sin upon them. Indeed, if one views it that way, one would practically want to baptize a baby in the birthing room, just to be sure. That is, if God is a legalist. If God is not a legalist, then the "everyone" and "anyone" to which Jesus was referring when speaking to Nicodemus really means anybody who could hear or understand the need for being begotten anew and baptism. Whichever way one goes, it's all or nothing. No unborn baby who is aborted CAN be baptized in water and begotten anew - it's too late for that. So the question becomes whether what Jesus said in John 3:1-21 applies to them or not. If it does, then none goes to heaven. If it doesn't, they all do, in innocence. Likewise, Paul says that "all have sinned", but that is not true - unborn babies have not sinned...unless original sin exists and is counted as sin. In which case it is imperative to baptize newborn babies, and the refusal to do so means depriving newborns who die a crib death of eternal life. I think the answer is obvious from the rest of Scripture, which makes it abundantly clear that Jesus will judge people by their ACTS, and that ending up in the lake of fire or the City of God depends on what you DO during life. That is abundantly clear from passage after passage. BUT, contra, there is what Jesus said to Nicodemus, which if taken literally means that there is no hope for ANY unborn baby. There is a direct and violent conflict in Scripture on this matter. You have to decide for yourself. In my view, the multitude of places that Jesus says that men are judged by their deeds are overwhelming, and fit in with the pattern of justice and mercy of God in both Testaments. The absolute and half ritualistic apparent requirement in John 3 should be, I think, read in such a way that doesn't nullify all of the rest of what Jesus said. The conflict is an absolute one. One really does have to choose. Either all of those babies are with God, or none of them are.
Now, before you argue, try to learn. Now read about Predestinated, foreknew and most important when God wrote the names of those who are in the Book of Life in the Book of Life. And you will understand "some, but not all".
#11. To: BobCeleste (#9)
That form of predestination erases free will and renders everything else Jesus said a nullity. Jesus spoke throughout about ideal acts and being judged by deeds, and he spoke as a man encouraging people who could choose to make a change, not as a man going through verbal motions before a bunch of automata without will. Unborn babies cannot do any deeds, and they cannot sin. For God to "predestine" some of those - whom he slated for death in an uncaring womb - to hellfire would be in contradiction to everything Jesus said about deeds, and about the angels of innocents. It would reduce God to a monster, really. Yes, the contradiction is there. And it is along these lines, really, that Christianity breaks into two very distinct theologies: the Calvinist, which you are espousing and which some lines of Paul suggest, and the Catholic, which Jesus and I espouse. It's a horrific division, and it cannot be papered over because Scripture goes both ways. So it comes to a matter of authority. Paul is the strongest authority for your view, in some of the things he said. Jesus is the strongest for mine. Jump ball. I say that Jesus was God, and Paul was not, so Jesus always trumps. You say "every word" and thereby make Jesus and Paul equals in Scripture. I say that Jesus spoke last, and in those final words he said, he said judgment was based on acts and deeds. And I think that the combination of being God and speaking last wins the day - before my eyes. I acknowledge that this tension is definitely IN Scripture. It's not made up. But I think that the answer to the contradiction lies in the relative authority of pieces of Scripture, and God trumps men, and what God spoke directly himself, and spoke latest, has the highest authority. Jesus spoke last, in Heaven itself, and he said judgment is based on deeds and acts. So it is. Therefore, all unborn babies who are killed go to God in his city, and none is lost and cast into the fire, because no unborn or newborn baby has sinned, or can sin.
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#4. To: redleghunter (#1)
Here's knowing these babies although slaughtered in the womb (and out of it too), they are now playing at the nail pierced feet of our Master our Lord Jesus Christ.
#6. To: BobCeleste (#4)
Here's knowing these babies although slaughtered in the womb (and out of it too), they are now playing at the nail pierced feet of our Master our Lord Jesus Christ.
#7. To: Vicomte13 (#6)
#8. To: BobCeleste (#7)
read John 3:1-21.
#9. To: Vicomte13 (#8)
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