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Title: Putin Escalates Again in Ukraine
Source: Wall Street Journal
URL Source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-e ... es-again-in-ukraine-1439853482
Published: Aug 17, 2015
Author: staff
Post Date: 2015-08-17 20:27:31 by buckeroo
Keywords: None
Views: 2973
Comments: 16

Russian proxies in occupied eastern Ukraine shelled Ukrainian-government positions over the weekend and on Monday. The artillery barrage killed two civilians and wounded several others in Sartana, near the Sea of Azov. It’s one of the larger-scale escalations of the conflict since a winter cease-fire. Meanwhile, the Obama Administration continues to withhold a radar upgrade that would allow Ukrainian forces to protect against shelling.

Moscow and Kiev agreed under the Minsk II accord negotiated in February to cease hostilities, create a buffer zone and withdraw heavy weapons. Yet “to a big extent [the Russian side] continually violates the agreement,” Gen. Viktor Muzhenko, the chief of staff of Ukraine’s armed forces, told us in a rare interview before the latest escalation. “Some days we can have 80 to 100 violations.”

Russian violations range from small-arms fire to covert infiltration to the heavy shelling on the weekend. The Kremlin’s aim is to gradually break the will of the Ukrainian people. “This war looks like a war of attrition,” Gen. Muzhenko says. “It’s Russia’s intent to demoralize our forces, and using that mechanism they want to influence Ukraine’s military leadership as well as the state leadership.”

The devastation and human suffering wrought by indiscriminate Russian shelling—120 mm mortars and 152 mm howitzers that blow through homes, factories and fortifications and account for many of the nearly 9,000 killed since the conflict erupted—is at the heart of this strategy. Under pressure from the U.S. and Western European powers to abide by Minsk while its adversary doesn’t, Kiev’s hands are tied and its capabilities are outmatched by the Kremlin’s.

The Obama Administration refuses to provide lethal assistance to Kiev, and even previously promised nonlethal assistance isn’t always forthcoming. The Journal reported in July that the Pentagon was considering transferring the AN/TPQ-36 and 37 Firefinder radar system to Ukraine. The system would allow Kiev to better surveil Kremlin-held territory, and to locate and silence the sources of incoming artillery fire.

The system is ready to be delivered, according to a senior American military official, who says the U.S. military is also prepared to provide training. But the Pentagon still needs political authorization in Washington almost a month after the original announcement was made to great press fanfare. No wonder Vladimir Putin thinks he can violate his agreements with impunity.


Anyone believe that the Ukraine issue is all fixed? Still, the USA has continuously caused issues here.

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#1. To: A Pole, Pericles (#0)

What, EXACTLY, do the Russians want? What, if given to the Russians, would fully satisfy them and make the killing stop?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-17   20:36:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A Pole, Vicomte13 (#1)

What, EXACTLY, do the Russians want? What, if given to the Russians, would fully satisfy them and make the killing stop?

This is the biased WSJ. From independent sources I read the Kiev coup govt has violated the ceasefire more times than the so called rebels.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-17   21:30:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pericles (#2)

Ok, so there are violations all over the place. But what do the Russians WANT to END THIS?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-17   22:42:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Vicomte13 (#3)

But what do the Russians WANT to END THIS?

The West won't end this because to negotiate means they lost. The West, led by the USA is an insidious empire that can't admit to every being weak or losing.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-18   0:06:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pericles (#4)

That may be so, but it's not the question. What do the Russians WANT?

What, specifically, would they accept as a victory?

The West wants the Russians driven completely from the Ukraine, including the Crimea, and for the whole thing to become NATO, and for Putin to fall as the result of the defeat. That's what the West WANTS. The West is not going to get that, but that would be a victory on Western terms.

What does victory look like to the Russians in this?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-18   0:34:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#6. To: Vicomte13 (#5)

What do the Russians WANT?

Russia would likely deal - I am guessing a Finlandization of a federated Ukraine. America refuses to deal.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-18 00:39:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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