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Title: You Hate It From Barack Obama. But You Love It From Donald Trump.
Source: Independent Journal Review
URL Source: http://journal.ijreview.com/2015/08 ... you-love-it-from-donald-trump/
Published: Aug 13, 2015
Author: Rick Wilson
Post Date: 2015-08-13 05:32:21 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 12479
Comments: 75

I’ve come to realize that the Obama Cult and the Trump Cult are two sides of the same personality-cult coin. The cognitive dissonance between what the Trump faction hated about Obama and what they love about Donald is so far beyond ironic it would take a team of trained linguists and semioticians decades to decode.

But I’ll try.

You hated Barack Obama’s cult-like followers, with their mindless stares of adoration, their impervious barrier between emotion and reason, and their instant fury when confronted with the facts about his record, his history, or his philosophy.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated Obama’s shallow, facile rhetoric, with its hollow promises and loose, lowest-common-denominator word-vomit disconnected from any real policy.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated how Obama was gleefully lying to credulous low information voters, filling them with empty promises of economic prosperity that would never come, based on plans that could never be achieved.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated how Obama lied about his positions on single-payer healthcare, gay marriage, gun control, and abortion to get elected, knowing that if he ever revealed the truth about what he believed that he’d be unelectable.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated how Obama rode the wave of constant attention from the mainstream media into office, and how they played along with his game, draining the life out of every other candidate by describing him as an inevitable juggernaut, an unstoppable political force, and a game-changer who was tapping into something deep and powerful in American political life.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated how Obama’s naive ignorance of the real and brutal world of international affairs was papered over by his hollow promises to make the world respect the United States again.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated Obama’s casual disdain for people who weren’t from a major city where, you know, all the rich, smart, educated, liberal people like him live.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated Obama’s elite credentialism, and how he yielded his Harvard and Columbia degrees to browbeat his aspiring-class opponents from outside the meritocracy, and how he used them to cow an already docile press.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated that smug, arrogant, sneering affect that took hold the moment he thought the cameras weren’t looking.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated Obama’s cadre of sleazy, weird, creepy advisers, with their combination of over-the-edge ideological fervor and their stench of petty corruption.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated Obama’s support for bail-outs, too-big-to-fail, and big, taxpayer-funded government intervention in dying industries.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated his comfy alliance with Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the odious Clinton crime family.

But you love it from Trump.

You hated his cavalier disdain for private property rights.

But you love it from Trump.

Everything that set your teeth on edge, and raised your hackles and made you loathe Barack Obama is there in Donald Trump. Every aspect of the con game Obama played on America in 2008 – the obsessive focus on one base issue (for Obama the war in Iraq, for Trump, Mexicans), the cult-like obsession, the instant attacks on apostates, the willful ignorance of his history and his beliefs – is present in Trump.

Everything you despised in Obama is there.

But you love it from Trump.

Rick Wilson is a national Republican media consultant and campaign adviser.


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#19. To: TooConservative (#0) (Edited)

A VICOMTE ENGAGES A DICK (WILSON, THAT IS)

I’ve come to realize that the Obama Cult and the Trump Cult are two sides of the same personality-cult coin.

WE ONLY HAVE A VOTE, AND IT COUNTS FOR VIRTUALLY NOTHING. WE CHEER FOR ICONS FROM THE SIDELINES, BECAUSE WE FEEL POWERLESS, AND THAT FEELING IS ENTIRELY ACCURATE. PEOPLE ARE WISER THAN YOU GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR.

The cognitive dissonance between what the Trump faction hated about Obama and what they love about Donald is so far beyond ironic it would take a team of trained linguists and semioticians decades to decode.

I'M "TRUMP FACTION". THE ONLY THING I TRULY HATE ABOUT OBAMA IS HIS CALLOUS INDIFFERENCE TO THE LIVES OF BABIES. OTHERWISE, HE'S JUST A CHARISMATIC AND EFFECTIVE POLITICIAN WITH WHOSE POLICY PRESCRIPTIONS I OFTEN DISAGREE.

But I’ll try.

PROCEED, DICK.

You hated Barack Obama’s cult-like followers, with their mindless stares of adoration, their impervious barrier between emotion and reason, and their instant fury when confronted with the facts about his record, his history, or his philosophy.

NO I DIDN'T. I UNDERSTOOD THEM.

But you love it from Trump.

I LOVE TO SEE THE SAME ENTHUSIASM FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS LIKELY TO SMASH THE CABAL OF POWER CURRENTLY GRIPPING THE COUNTRY.

You hated Obama’s shallow, facile rhetoric, with its hollow promises and loose, lowest-common-denominator word-vomit disconnected from any real policy.

I THOUGHT OBAMA WAS ELOQUENT, AND LAST TIME I LOOKED, HE PUT THE POLICIES ABOUT WHICH HE SPOKE INTO PLACE. WE NOW HAVE UNIVERSAL MANDATORY HEALTH INSURANCE. BIN LADEN IS DEAD AND THE FORCES HAVE BEEN ALMOST ENTIRELY WITHDRAWN FROM IRAQ. THE BUDGET DEFICIT IS WAY DOWN. HE HAS IMPOSED ENVIRONMENTAL RULES AND BLOCKED THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE. HE HAS GIVEN AN EAR TO THE ARAB SIDE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. HE HAS RAISED TAXES ON THE RICH. HE SPOKE ELOQUENTLY ABOUT WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO, AND HE DID IT.

But you love it from Trump.

I HOPE THAT TRUMP DOES THE SAME THING: GETS A FOLLOWING, GETS POWER, AND DOES WHAT HE SAYS HE WILL DO. THE PROBLEM WITH REPUBLICANS IS THAT THEY LIE LIKE THEY BREATHE. THEY PROMISE ALL SORTS OF THINGS, BUT WHEN THEY GET POWER, THEY NEVER FULFILL THEIR PROMISES TO ANYBODY BUT THE RICH. THEY LIE TO MOST PEOPLE IN ORDER TO GET POWER SO THAT THEY CAN ENACT LEGISLATION THAT FAVORS THE RICH (AND SCREWS EVERYBODY ELSE). I HATE THAT. TRUMP ALREADY IS RICH, VERY RICH, AND HE TALKS ABOUT HOW THE SYSTEM IS CORRUPT. HE TALKS ABOUT HOW HE BUYS POLITICIANS. HE TALKS ABOUT THINGS THAT BOTHER HIM, AS AN AMERICAN, THAT BOTHER MOST AMERICANS. HE SAYS HE'S GOING TO CHANGE IT, AND IF HE WINS HE MAY WELL. THE REPUBLICANS ACTUALLY FEAR HE WILL, WHICH IS WHY THEY HATE HIM WITH SUCH AN IRRATIONAL HATE. IF HE TURNS OUT TO BE LIKE OBAMA: LEADING A MOVEMENT, WINNING POWER, AND THEN DOING WHAT HE SAID, HE WILL BE THE FIRST REPUBLICAN SINCE IKE TO ACTUALLY BE HONEST.

You hated how Obama was gleefully lying to credulous low information voters, filling them with empty promises of economic prosperity that would never come, based on plans that could never be achieved.

EMPTY PROMISES? OBAMA DID WHAT HE SAID. HE TOOK OVER AFTER ANOTHER REPUBLICAN ECONOMIC TRAINWRECK. THE ECONOMY HAS IMPROVED FROM THE CRATER THAT BUSH LEFT IT IN. UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE HAS BEEN BUILT OUT, AS PROMISED. THE BUDGET IS NEARLY BALANCED, AS PROMISED. ENVIRONMENTAL RULES HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE, AS PROMISED. WE'RE OUT OF IRAQ, AS PROMISED. BIN LADEN IS DEAD, AS PROMISED. THE RECESSION IS OVER, AS PROMISED.

But you love it from Trump.

YES, BECAUSE IF TRUMP ACTUALLY DOES WHAT HE PROMISES, LIKE OBAMA DID, HE WILL BE THE FIRST REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT SINCE EISENHOWER WHO WAS NOT A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

You hated how Obama lied about his positions on single-payer healthcare, gay marriage, gun control, and abortion to get elected, knowing that if he ever revealed the truth about what he believed that he’d be unelectable.

OBAMA DIDN'T LIE ABOUT SINGLE-PAYER HEALTHCARE. OBAMACARE IS NOT SINGLE PAYER. OBAMA DIDN'T LIE ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE. HE CHANGED HIS MIND. AND OBAMA DIDN'T GIVE THE COUNTRY GAY MARRIAGE. THE REPUBLICAN SUPREME COURT DID. BLAME THE REPUBLICANS - THEY MADE THE CALL. OBAMA DIDN'T LIE ABOUT ABORTION. THE REPUBLICANS ALREADY TOOK ABORTION OFF THE TABLE BY MAKING IT A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT IN ROE V WADE, AND EXTENDING ROE IN CASEY. OBAMA HAS BEEN PRO-CHOICE ALL ALONG, AND NEVER SAID ANYTHING DIFFERENT. HE'S WRONG ABOUT ABORTION, BUT HE'S NOT A LIAR ABOUT IT. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS ARE LIARS. REAGAN SAID HE WAS PRO- LIFE, BUT HE INSTALLED TWO PRO-CHOICERS ON THE COURT FOR EVERY PRO-LIFER HE PUT THERE. BUSH 41 INSTALLED SOUTER. W INSTALLED ROBERTS AND TRIED TO INSTALL MIERS. OBAMA TOLD THE TRUTH. REPUBLICANS ALWAYS LIE. YOU'RE PROJECTING THE DISHONESTY OF THE REPUBLICANS ONTO THE DEMOCRATS, DICK. THE DEMOCRATS ARE HONEST ABOUT THINGS LIKE ABORTION AND GAY MARRIAGE AND IMMIGRATION. THEY FAVOR THEM, AND SAY SO, AND THEN DO WHAT THEY SAY. IT'S REPUBLICANS FROM REAGAN ON WHO ARE ALWAYS JUST LYING CRAPWEASELS ABOUT EVERYTHING.

But you love it from Trump.

YEAH, BECAUSE I GET THE SENSE HE'LL ACTUALLY DO WHAT HE SAYS, FOR ONCE. REPUBLICANS NEVER DO THAT.

You hated how Obama rode the wave of constant attention from the mainstream media into office, and how they played along with his game, draining the life out of every other candidate by describing him as an inevitable juggernaut, an unstoppable political force, and a game-changer who was tapping into something deep and powerful in American political life.

I DIDN'T HATE THAT. I SAW OBAMA AS HAVING CHARISMA. "DRAINING THE LIFE FROM EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE"? SERIOUSLY, DICK? HILLARY DIDN'T, AND DOESN'T HAVE MUCH LIFE IN HER. AND ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE, MCCAIN? PALIN HAD PLENTY OF LIFE AND GOT PLENTY OF ATTENTION, AND SHE WASN'T EVEN THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT. THE OTHER CANDIDATES HAD NO LIFE OR CHARISMA. OBAMA DID. THE ONLY OTHER PERSON IN THE CAMPAIGN ON ANY SIDE WITH CHARISMA WAS PALIN, AND THE SECOND BANANA CANNOT PULL THE WEIGHT FOR THE GUY ON TOP OF THE TICKET. YOU'RE BLAMING THE MEDIA FOR YOUR OWN INADEQUATE CANDIDATES.

But you love it from Trump.

TRUMP HAS CHARISMA. THE REST OF THE REPUBLICAN FIELD ARE A BUNCH OF WELL- GROOMED EUNUCHS.

You hated how Obama’s naive ignorance of the real and brutal world of international affairs was papered over by his hollow promises to make the world respect the United States again.

NAIVE OBAMA KILLED BIN LADEN. "EXPERIENCED" TEAM BUSH FAILED AT THAT. NAIVE OBAMA GOT THE US OUT OF A QUAGMIRE IN IRAQ THAT EXPERIENCED BUSH PLUNGED US INTO. TODAY RUMSFELD AND JEB BOTH SAY IT WAS A MISTAKE. NAIVE OBAMA SURGED INTO AFGHANISTAN AND GOT IT UNDER CONTROL. NAIVE OBAMA LARGELY NEUTERED THE SOMALI PIRATES. NAIVE OBAMA OPENED RELATIONS WITH CUBA. NAIVE OBAMA HAS RESTRAINED ISRAELI EXCESSES BETTER THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT. THE US ECONOMY IS STABLE - EUROPE AND CHINA ARE FALLING APART. TEAM BUSH CRATERED US. NAIVE OBAMA LOOKS PRETTY SAVVY, ON HIS RECORD. THE REPUBLICANS LOOK LIKE AMATEURS AND FOOLS, WHICH, IN FACT, THEY ARE. AND YOUR WRITING, DICK, SHOWS AN UTTER LACK OF APPRECIATION, OR EVEN COMPREHENSION, OF THE REAL THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE REAL WORLD. YOU HAVE OBAMA DERANGEMENT SYNDROME, AND IT MAKES YOU WRITE STUPID THINGS THAT ARE VISIBLY UNTRUE.

But you love it from Trump.

TRUMP HAS BEEN A REAL WORLD SUCCESS, INCLUDING AT CUTTING HIS LOSSES. I EXPECT HIM TO CONTINUE THAT AS PRESIDENT TOO.

You hated Obama’s casual disdain for people who weren’t from a major city where, you know, all the rich, smart, educated, liberal people like him live.

OBAMA IS ARROGANT. HE'S ALSO EFFECTIVE.

But you love it from Trump.

TRUMP IS APPROPRIATELY ARROGANT: HE WINS. IT AIN'T BRAGGING IF YOU CAN DO IT.

You hated Obama’s elite credentialism, and how he yielded his Harvard and Columbia degrees to browbeat his aspiring-class opponents from outside the meritocracy, and how he used them to cow an already docile press.

OBAMA'S HARVARD AND COLUMBIA DEGREES SEEM TO HAVE SERVED HIM WELL. THE ECONOMY IS STABLE, THE WARS ARE OVER, WE'RE CLOSING THE BUDGET GAP, AND HE MANEUVERED THROUGH UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE. HE WAS AS SMART AS HE WAS TOUTED TO BE. APPARENTLY YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, DICK. THAT'S WHY YOU FAVOR REPUBLICANS, WHO ARE STUPIDER, AND WHO THEREFORE ALWAYS BOTCH WARS AND LEAVE THE ECONOMY IN SHAMBLES WHENEVER THEY TAKE OVER.

But you love it from Trump.

TRUMP IS VERY WELL EDUCATED ALSO. AND HE HAS BEEN MORE PERSONALLY SUCCESSFUL THAN THE BAND OF EUNUCHS BESIDE HIM UP THERE ON THE GOP STAGE.

You hated that smug, arrogant, sneering affect that took hold the moment he thought the cameras weren’t looking.

OBAMA IS SMUG. I FIND IT ANNOYING.

But you love it from Trump.

TRUMP IS ENTERTAINING. HE KNOWS HE'S OVER THE TOP, AND HE PLAYS IT. PEOPLE WHO WORK WITH OBAMA SAY HE'S NOT COMMUNICATIVE AND SOMEWHAT COLD. PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR TRUMP SAY THAT HE'S A GOOD BOSS AND VERY GOOD WITH PEOPLE.

You hated Obama’s cadre of sleazy, weird, creepy advisers, with their combination of over-the-edge ideological fervor and their stench of petty corruption.

NO, I HATE REPUBLICANS FOR BEING SLEAZY CORRUPT IDEOLOGUES WHO FAIL AT RUNNING THINGS. OBAMA HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE, AND IT'S ALL ABOUT HIM. THEY WORK FOR HIM.

But you love it from Trump.

TRUMP CURRENTLY HAS NOBODY AROUND HIM BUT TRUMP.

You hated Obama’s support for bail-outs, too-big-to-fail, and big, taxpayer- funded government intervention in dying industries.

ALL OF WHICH WERE ENACTED AMD EXTENDED BY A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS UNDER THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT WHO ACTUALLY CRATERED THE ECONOMY. OBAMA SUPPORTED THEIR CONTINUATION, AND HE WAS RIGHT; THE ECONOMY STABILIZED AND THE DEPRESSION THAT BUSH CAUSED ENDED ON OBAMA'S WATCH. I DID HATE THE REPUBLICAN BAILOUTS, BUT I APPRECIATE OBAMA'S SUCCESSFUL MANAGEMENT OF YET ANOTHER REPUBLICAN-CAUSED FINANCIAL CALAMITY.

But you love it from Trump.

I HAVEN'T HEARD TRUMP CALL FOR THOSE THINGS. THE ONLY POLICIES I'VE HEARD FROM TRUMP ARE: BUILD A WALL, AND HAVE AN INSURANCE COMMON MARKET. SEEMS TO ME YOU'RE HEARING THINGS, DICK. NO, THAT'S NOT IT. YOU'RE JUST MAKING THINGS UP AND FLINGING THEM. BUT THAT'S WHAT REPUBLICANS DO.

You hated his comfy alliance with Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the odious Clinton crime family.

OBAMA DEFEATED THE CLINTONS. REID AND PELOSI ARE HIS FELLOW PARTISANS. I DETEST THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE BABYKILLERS, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE PARTISANS. ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE YOU'VE GOT MCCONNELL AND BOEHNER AND GRAHAM AND JOHN ROBERTS AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW. AT LEAST REID AND PELOSI SAID WHAT THEY WERE DOING, WHY - AND DID IT. REPUBLICANS SAY THEY STAND FOR THINGS, BUT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO IS ALL JUST CRONY CAPITALIST CORRUPTION. THEY GET THE CRONIES WHAT THEY WANT, BUT THEY ONLY EVER DELIVER DEFEAT ON EVERYTHING ELSE. I HATE THE REPUBLICANS WORSE, BECAUSE THEY'RE LIARS. I DETEST BABYKILLING DEMOCRATS, BUT THEY ARE AT LEAST HONEST ABOUT WHAT THEY STAND FOR, AND ACTUALLY DO IT. AND THEY'RE MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE AT GETTING DONE WHAT THEY SAY THEY WILL DO. REPUBLICANS ARE VERY EFFECTIVE AT ADVANCING THE ECONOMIC INTERESTS OF PLUTOCRATS, AND COMPLETE FAILURES AT EVERY SINGLE OTHER THING.

But you love it from Trump.

TRUMP IS A PLUTOCRAT. HE MAY BE DIFFERENT. HE ACTUALLY CALLS OUT THE PLUTOCRACY FROM WITHIN. HE REMINDS ME OF THE MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE, THE BRASH FRENCH ARISTOCRAT WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION AND WHO THEN WENT HOME TO FRANCE WHERE HE HELPED FOMENT REVOLUTION THERE, WAS NEARLY GUILLOTINED FOR BEING AN ARISTOCRAT, AND WENT ON TO BE THE REVOLUTIONARY PRESIDENT OF PARIS AFTER MORE MODERATE ELEMENTS BROUGHT DOWN THE RED TERROR. CHARISMATIC ARISTOCRATS LIKE FDR OR LAFAYETTE CAN DO GREAT THINGS FOR THE COMMON PEOPLE IF THEY CHOOSE TO GIVE A DAMN. TRUMP SEEMS TO GIVE A DAMN. REPUBLICANS NEVER DO.

You hated his cavalier disdain for private property rights.

THE REPUBLICAN SUPREME COURT DECIDED KELO.

But you love it from Trump.

TRUMP EXERCISES THE RIGHTS THAT THE REPUBLICANS GAVE HIM AND GOVERNMENT.

Everything that set your teeth on edge, and raised your hackles and made you loathe Barack Obama is there in Donald Trump.

EVERYTHIG THAT MADE OBAMA THE MOST EFFECTIVE DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT SINCE FDR MAY BE THERE IN TRUMP.

Every aspect of the con game Obama played on America in 2008

OBAMA DID NOT CON AMERICA. HE DID WHAT HE SAID. REPUBLICANS ALWAYS CON AMERICA - ON ABORTION, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, ON PERSONAL FREEDOM, ON ECONOMIC RESPONSIBILITY - PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE BOARD.

– the obsessive focus on one base issue (for Obama the war in Iraq, for Trump, Mexicans),

OBAMA KILLED BIN LADEN AND ENDED THE WAR IN IRAQ. HE WON. TRUMP WILL CLOSE THAT BORDER TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

the cult-like obsession,

CHARISMA DOESN'T OFFEND ME, DICK.

the instant attacks on apostates, the willful ignorance of his history and his beliefs – is present in Trump.

OBAMA AND TRUMP GO AFTER THEIR ADVERSARIES. THEY FIGHT AND THEY WIN. I WANT LEADERS WHO WILL DO WHAT THEY SAY THEY WILL DO, AND WHO FIGHT VICIOUSLY TO WIN.

Everything you despised in Obama is there.

I DON'T DESPISE OBAMA, DICK. I DESPISE HIS STANCE ON ABORTION.

But you love it from Trump.

YES, I DO LIKE TRUMP, RICHARD.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-13   10:01:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Vicomte13 (#19) (Edited)

I DON'T DESPISE OBAMA, DICK. I DESPISE HIS STANCE ON ABORTION.

You like Obama and don't really care about abortion.

I notice that everything is more persuasive when you use CAPS LOCK.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-13   10:10:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TooConservative (#20)

You like Obama and don't really care about abortion.

I like Obama, yes.

I care about abortion more than Republicans. They gave us Roe and Casey, and they just re-funded Planned Parenthood.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-13   10:18:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Vicomte13 (#22)

I care about abortion more than Republicans. They gave us Roe and Casey, and they just re-funded Planned Parenthood.

You don't care at all. It's just a little moral prop for you to look down your nose at the real pro-lifers and the GOP who are the only voices for the unborn.

You are a pro-life zero. Which is why you are so shrill about the GOP who actually takes public stands and tries repeatedly at the state level and in federal court and in Congress to restrict or abolish abortion by various means.

If Anthony Kennedy posted here, he would undoubtedly tell us how totally pro-life he is and blame Republicans for abortion, just like you.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-13   15:26:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#35)

TC: "You are a pro-life zero."

Now you're being ridiculous.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-13   17:19:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#60. To: Liberator, Too Conservative (#55)

TC: "You are a pro-life zero."

Now you're being ridiculous.

He believes what he is writing.

He believes (as you do) that the Republican party is pro-life, and that the only effective means of expressing pro-life sentiment in America is through the Republican Party.

Therefore, he reasons, that if somebody is not a Republican, he is not REALLY pro-life, because the only effective means of expressing pro-life sentiment in America is, in his view, the Republican Party.

I am not a Republican. In fact, I am very hostile to the Republican Party. I am generally hostile to Republican economics and militarism, but it is on the issue of abortion that I am most virulently opposed to the Republicans. I perceive a pro-choice party that lies about being pro-life.

This creates an unbridgeable conflict between our world views, for he views the fact that I oppose the Republican to be proof, by definition, that I am in fact a pro-choicer in all but name. After all, I am opposing "the only pro-life party."

But I think that by being a Republican he is, in fact, enabling and extending Roe v. Wade, because that is where Roe and Casey originated, and because in all of the Supreme Court appointments that the Republicans have made SINCE Roe, they have gone 2:1 for pro-choice Justices, even while claiming that Supreme Court selections are THE reason pro-lifers "must" be Republican.

You have taken a view somewhat similar to his, in that you've said to me more than once that the Republicans are all pro-lifers have, and that if pro-lifers do not stick with the Republicans, there is NO hope at all for stopping abortion.

I've told you that I disagree with you. I think that in fact remaining Republican neuters the pro-life movement because it locks them under the control of a pro-choice party, giving the pro-choice party power to do as it pleases - but that it will never, ever please the Republicans to let a pro-life majority slip onto the Supreme Court.

Between you and me there is a difference of opinion over tactics, but between him and I there is a disagreement over status.

I do think TC is a pro-life person, opposed to abortion. I am sure he sincerely believes what he says about the Republican Party. I believe he is their dupe, but I don't doubt his sincerity.

However, he cannot accept my sincerity regarding pro-life because I viciously attack the Republican Party as overt liars, as pro-choicers, all of the time. To him, this must mean that I am a pro-choicer who is actively seeking to destroy the only pro-life party, the party that is, by his lights, the very DEFINITION of pro-life. The fact that I am not a Republican, and actually hate the Republican Party for being pro-choice, means that I am either a complete fool or a "pro-life zero" A "PLINO" - Pro-Lifer In Name Only. Otherwise I would accept that the Republicans are the only vehicle there is and support them.

To call me a fool would be self-evidently foolish, so I must, therefore, by a "PLINO", and that is what he says - a "pro-life zero".

I don't get too exercised about it. Fact is, Roe and Casey are the law of the land, and the only way to change that is through the Supreme Court.

And truth is, when one examines the abortion statistics in lands where abortion is strictly illegal, the illegal abortion rate is often as high or higher than in the places where it is legal.

Truth is, statistically speaking, the places with the lowest abortion rates are those that simultaneously have heavy social spending and an underlying Christian or Muslim religiosity of the people. Social spending and general prosperity do coincide with somewhat lower abortion rates on average, but with glaring exceptions (Sweden, with a high wealth and social spending, also has a high abortion rate. Religiosity coincides with a lower average abortion rate, but some places that are reputedly devout have an abortion rate that is quite high. Those places all tend to be poor.

What the statistics seem to show is that religious nations have lower abortion rates than irreligious places, but among those categories states that spend more on social welfare tend to have lower abortion rates whether religious or irreligious, but with exceptions.

So, in truth, striking down Roe isn't going to end abortion. It's merely going to make it illegal. The two ways that actually reduce abortion are through heavy social welfare expenditures, so that there is a strong safety net for mothers, allowing them to risk having a child - this is particularly true in developed states with low marriage rates - and through increased religiosity.

The laws against abortion may matter or not, depnending on the culture and what that culture thinks about the law. It's complicated.

MY solution to the abortion issue is the same as my solution to every single social and moral ill:

FIRST, religion, on an individual level. I have to make MYSELF perfect, or as perfect as I can, in all ways. Perfection in a religious sense means most in comportment with God's will. I believe that that is most fully expressed in the Gospels of Jesus and the words of the Torah and the words directly from God spoken by the prophets. That corpus of text, which is about 10% of the total Bible, forms the Law of God, under which all men ought to live. It is not my place to make anybody else live under them at this point (both because it isn't appointed me to be a judge, but also because I haven't been given any power to compel anything of anyone), but it is my duty to compel MYSELF to live under that Law. All of it.

To that end, it is vital to KNOW IT (the Law), to understand it, and to DO it, as an individual.

Once I have done that, I have the moral authority to urge that upon others, and to use myself as a living example of it.

God knows that marriage and the economic structure of the society matter when it comes to the ability to obey him. Therefore, I view matters of marriage, sex and the economic structures, laws and forms of the country to all be directly related to the matter of abortion, as also is the question of murder, the death penalty in judicial proceedings, police violence, and matters of international war. There is one law concerning killing, and it is "DO NOT". The exceptions are narrow, and men violate them when they commit abortions, or street crime, or invade other countries.

And all the while Satan, the deceiver, sits at the edge of our mind and field of vision and presses us to take shortcuts, do the expedient and evil thing. That must always be rejected. Satan is the master of lies, which is why I am so very vitriolic at political lies, and particularly the political lie that I perceive in the Republican Party, CLAIMING it is pro-life, while having done all it has done through the court, and appointing so many pro-abortion justices, and generally being so pro-death penalty (without God's full due process) and being so pro-war and such aggressive imperialists in recent times.

I see a party of death MASQUERADING as a party of life. I see Satan pulling the strings on a sock puppet, and I see the pious INTONATIONS of favoring life while the policies and fruit favoring death as lulling otherwise good people to sleep. In short, I see Satan holding forth an apple with "R" branded on the side of it, and I go after the lies. Lies are satanic. Bad fruit proves the lies.

To me, everything is always about religion. All the time. When men talk to angels, all they think about is angels. There's a REASON that, for all my insight, I do not work for intelligence services, and it has to do with their assessment of my mental stability, because of the angels.

I am not unstable, I am speaking undiluted truth. People are not accustomed to hearing it, and there's no political purchase on it. Essentially, I am urging myself, and you, and Too, and everybody else, to actually literally be perfect and follow all of God's laws, and that if we do that abortion and murder and death will evaporate from the world of their own accord. Because that is why God said in Scripture, and that is what he tells me directly.

What use have I, then, for a political party that lies?

Too is rooted in a practical world in which angels are not real, or if they are, they don't talk to people. In Too's world, people who hear voices are crazy, not really hearing angels. In Too's world, all there REALLY is, is political action, by united humans, and the Republican Party is the only vehicle for that.

In the real world, God is, and God has told us that if we follow his law, all will be well with is. So that is the "party" we should seek, by my lights: his party, by knowing his laws and personally doing all of them. And then, when we use our voices, and our authority, in all capacities, to remember that God's law trumps all law, regulation and human authority.

The tension is unbridgeable. He cannot see the world through my eyes (and if he did, he would think he needed medication), and I will not see the world through his, because it would be blinding myself to all truth except for a narrow material thing directly before the centers of the pupils.

I write here and steer everything back to a set of moral principles: not killing, following process to kill, maintaining peace, bringing home armies, defending with nukes (because they are such a deterrent nobody ever actually uses them, which means they keep the peace - but if the time comes to use them, you CAN'T use them on enemy cities, not when it comes right down to it. Pressed, it's not a REAL deterrent, because when the choice comes of not retaliating to a nuclear strike, or incinerating full of innocent children, you let yourself be killed and you go to Heaven, and the enemy, who will be victorious on earth, will be judged by God.

Pressed to the final decision you cannot kill the innocent on the other side even when that means the annihilation of your own country and its innocents. And yourself. Because the innocents and yourself are not REALLY annihilated.

When pressed to the very wall, you have to accept death for you and yours, in innocence, and let evil win, rather than join Satan and kill the innocent. You have to choose the path of Jesus and the Apostles and accept death rather than embrace Satan.

Of course, by knowing that and otherwise following God's law, you trust that God will prevent that choice from ever being put before you: do not let me be lead to temptation, do not put me to the test.

Which is why it is not an endpoint to have nuclear deterrence - the threat of committing genocide as a deterrent is not a permanent answer, because God may permit Satan to cause an evil nation to say "Done!" and launch, specifically to incinerate the innocent, and also to send both the attacking nation's leaders AND the responding nation's leaders to hell for their retaliation, that slaughters the innocent.

It is why the task of making ourselves perfect is so urgent - the clock is ticking. We have to be perfect, so that we are unhypocritical examples to others. And when we live perfectly, our economic footprint changes completely, and we draw others to God with our goodness, and by practical things such as the prosperity that flows from God when you are in synch with his laws.

As that moves in a spreading circle, it knocks down barriers and makes war impossible - brothers in God don't burn each other's houses down.

But of course, sadly, to believe that good will conquer the world thus is naïve. It certainly CAN. There is no physical or divinely imposed barrier preventing it. But the reality is that human evil, juiced by Satan, does prevent it. We already know how the story ends: we lose, the world falls, and then God intervenes with Jesus.

But we're admonished that, to be acceptable to him, we have to keep up the fight, and that means not compromising with lies. Which means not supporting killing, like abortion. Which means not lending my assent to a party that SAYS it protects life, but that actually put the laws in place that destroy it, and whose leaders have actively and intelligently made sure by their soviereign selections that a majority for death remains to protect those evil laws.

This is about Truth, God, Life and the Prince of Lies and death. These people and parties are just action figures in a great morality play, in which we are bit players and get to choose our lines and parts.

So, that's all that's really at stake here, merely the eternal life of our souls and the salvation of the world.

And that is true for every single moral question - regarding war, abortion, the death penalty, money, court procedure, truth, healing, teaching about God - everything - every act matters.

Which is why I am not a "Pro-Life Zero", and why I cannot possibly be a Republican either.

It's also why the only possible way that I can lead men is by being in their presence and doing the right thing, all the time, with power, with money, with words, bodily - everything.

And that sounds crazy, which is why God had it written down in Scripture, so that people who choose to claim to be part of THAT party, the religious names, have a binding set of rules that say that.

In short: Be perfect.

That is what the commandments boil down to: be perfect.

To adhere to a group of men devoted to greed and war, and who connive at abortion, would be to yoke myself to lies and blood.

No.

We will be purified by God's blood, and by God's flame.

Fire and Blood - it is the only way. The ONLY way. Which is why these discussions are fruitless, in the end, aren't they? Having said that, I think I should retire for a couple of weeks and say nothing. What could I add? And what difference would it ultimately make, BECAUSE: "TL;DR" - Mankind.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-13 18:36:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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