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Title: Donald Trump Slaps China for Sucking the 'Blood Out of the United States'
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URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dona ... nited-states/story?id=33034076
Published: Aug 12, 2015
Author: JOHN SANTUCCI
Post Date: 2015-08-12 11:07:44 by A K A Stone
Keywords: None
Views: 1244
Comments: 26

Presidential candidate Donald Trump continued his tough talk in a speech Tuesday evening to over 2,500 supporters here. The New York real estate mogul discussed the news that China had devalued its currency, the result of which, he said, is to "suck the blood out of the United States.”

Trump told the crowd his friend and businessman Carl Icahn, whom he called a “brilliant negotiator," is ready to jump in to trade negotiations with China and Japan.

Experts and investors worry that the currency devaluation might make it harder for the Chinese to buy goods from Western companies.

Trump received several standing ovations, including when he repeated his call to “build a wall,” referencing his stance on illegal immigration and the United States’ relationship with Mexico.

Speaking to reporters before his speech, the front-running GOP presidential candidate said he plans to roll out specific policy ideas in the next two weeks but would not say which proposal would be coming first.

Attacking his critics, Trump expressed his delight at seeing Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and former Texas Gov. Rick Perry slumping in the polls. Trump also pointed in his speech to Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., who Monday called The Donald a “fake conservative.”

His message? "Rand, I've had you up to here," Trump said, while raising his hand in the air shortly below his chin.

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#1. To: A K A Stone (#0)

A photo of the Chinese vampire/zombie.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   11:21:35 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: A K A Stone (#0) (Edited)

Trump told the crowd his friend and businessman Carl Icahn, whom he called a “brilliant negotiator," is ready to jump in to trade negotiations with China and Japan.

So Icahn is going to be both trade negotiator and Secretary of the Treasury (an appointment he has already accepted from Trump publicly)?

If Icahn is so great, why don't we elect him president instead of Trump?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   11:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#2)

So Icahn is going to be both trade negotiator and Secretary of the Treasury

Sure why not.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-12   11:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#2)

If Icahn is so great, why don't we elect him president instead of Trump?

Two reasons, he is not running and he has already accepted the Sec. of Treasury appointment.

U don't know me  posted on  2015-08-12   11:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: U don't know me, TooConservative (#4)

If Icahn is so great, why don't we elect him president instead of Trump?

Two reasons, he is not running and he has already accepted the Sec. of Treasury appointment.

Icahn is also a Jew, I think. Sorry, that still bothers some people in America (it shouldn't but it does).

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-12   11:52:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: A K A Stone (#0)

Experts and investors worry that the currency devaluation might make it harder for the Chinese to buy goods from Western companies.

And it makes it easier to dump their crap in America. PNTR with communist China was an example of the ruling class GOPe patricians betraying America. Trump is the only guy running for the GOP nomination who is not a knee jerk free traitor. Kudos to Trump for waging this fight on behalf of America, nice to have someone who wants to fight for America rather than sell America out.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-08-12   12:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: U don't know me, tpaine, nolu chan, Pericles, nativist nationalist, A K A Stone (#4)

Two reasons, he is not running and he has already accepted the Sec. of Treasury appointment.

BTW, this sort of thing isn't done by other pols for a reason. It's against the laws and has been for a long time.

From the old Volokh.com website, 2005

Why Presidential Candidates Can't Run With a Cabinet Already Lined Up:

Lawprof Michael Froomkin (Discourse.Net) had a great post last year on this subject; I missed it when it first went up, but it's still interesting now:

As my friend John Berryhill points out . . .:

[S]hadow cabinets have not been used in the United States because [a candidate who promises, as part of his election campaign, to appoint someone to the Cabinet] would face up to two years in jail under 18 USC § 599:

"Whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Incidentally, I'm not sure that this provision is constutitional — see Brown v. Hartlage (1982). (Please don't argue in the Comments that it's constitutional or unconstitutional without having read Brown; it's both the most directly on-point precedent, and it makes important policy arguments that even people who don't care much about precedent should deal with.)

I know there is a term for this kind of corruption from the old common law but I can't recall it. Annoying. Maybe nolu can recall it. That's why real pols never make such stupid announcements. It virtually prevents them from actually appointing that person to office.

I doubt Icahn could donate to Trump now, even to his super-PAC. And I already doubted that Icahn was serious because he'd never want to put his holdings in a blind trust.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   12:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: TooConservative (#7)

Trump probably doesn't know the law, and intends for Icahn to be Secretary of Treasury.

If elected, Trump should just appoint him anyway and screw the law, and then cause the Dept of Justice to fail to prosecute.

This sort of law is like the Tenure of Office Act, of the sort that Andrew Johnson rightly broke.

Anyway, once Trump is elected and sworn in, cabinet shuffle: Veep steps out of that office into something cushy, Trump names Sarah Palin President.

Then see if Congress tries to impeach him for naming Icahn under this petty law.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   13:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: TooConservative (#7)

--- real pols never make such stupid announcements. It virtually prevents them from actually appointing that person to office.

From Brown v Hartledge : ---

"All cabinet appointments must be confirmed by the Senate, so the candidate can, at best, promise a nomination.

Besides, what interest does the government have in restricting a political candidate's ability to promise the voters a certain cabinet pick? Isn't that important for voters to know? Cabinet picks exercise a lot of power within an administration. A candidate should be free to make up for certain weaknesses by promising the appointment of someone in a given area to compensate."

tpaine  posted on  2015-08-12   13:29:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Vicomte13 (#8)

Anyway, once Trump is elected and sworn in, cabinet shuffle: Veep steps out of that office into something cushy, Trump names Sarah Palin President.

Biden, Trump, Icahn, you're just off into an entire fantasy world of Magical Thinking, aren't you?

Given Icahn's history as an investor, you cannot seriously think he could ever be appointed, let alone confirmed, as SecTreas.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   13:36:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tpaine (#9)

Besides, what interest does the government have in restricting a political candidate's ability to promise the voters a certain cabinet pick?

As I recall, this kind of corruption played a role in the Teapot Dome scandal over 90 years ago, during the Harding administration. Before Watergate, it was the biggest scandal in American history. There were a lot of ethics laws implemented after that as a result.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   13:41:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative, U don't know me, tpaine, nolu chan, nativist nationalist, A K A Stone (#7) (Edited)

"Whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

It is a quid pro thing. This law would not apply unless it was done to get money from Ikhan.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-12   14:02:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative, tpaine (#11)

As I recall, this kind of corruption played a role in the Teapot Dome scandal over 90 years ago, during the Harding administration. Before Watergate, it was the biggest scandal in American history. There were a lot of ethics laws implemented after that as a result.

Ethics are for commies!

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-12   14:03:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#11)

"All cabinet appointments must be confirmed by the Senate, so the candidate can, at best, promise a nomination. ---- Besides, what interest does the government have in restricting a political candidate's ability to promise the voters a certain cabinet pick? Isn't that important for voters to know? Cabinet picks exercise a lot of power within an administration. A candidate should be free to make up for certain weaknesses by promising the appointment of someone in a given area to compensate."

Imo, that law does not apply to nominations, as the Senate can refuse to appoint.

As I recall, this kind of corruption played a role in the Teapot Dome scandal over 90 years ago, during the Harding administration. Before Watergate, it was the biggest scandal in American history. There were a lot of ethics laws implemented after that as a result.

Yep, that law would no doubt apply to fiat appointments by a new president. It would be unethical of him to exchange jobs for votes..

tpaine  posted on  2015-08-12   14:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: tpaine (#14)

Imo, that law does not apply to nominations, as the Senate can refuse to appoint.

You're wrong. IMO.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   14:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#7)

That's why real pols never make such stupid announcements. It virtually prevents them from actually appointing that person to office.

"Real pol" George H.W. Bush made exactly that sort of promise regarding James Baker in his ill fated 1992 re-election bid.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-08-12   14:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TooConservative (#15)

Imo, that law does not apply to nominations, as the Senate can refuse to appoint.

You're wrong. IMO.

Read the law. Is it possible to convict a new president for a "promise or pledge" to support a nomination for a Senate appointment? -- The SCOTUS would never hear such a silly case. - I agree with Volokh.

18 USC § 599 --- "Whoever, being a candidate, directly or indirectly promises or pledges the appointment, or the use of his influence or support for the appointment of any person to any public or private position or employment, for the purpose of procuring support in his candidacy shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if the violation was willful, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."

Eugene Volokh --- Incidentally, I'm not sure that this provision is constutitional

tpaine  posted on  2015-08-12   14:29:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: nativist nationalist (#16)

"Real pol" George H.W. Bush made exactly that sort of promise regarding James Baker in his ill fated 1992 re-election bid.

James Baker III had already been SecTreas and SoS. Everyone expected him to return to a second Bush administration. He was the brain trust of the entire Spook Daddy cabal.

I always regretted Baker never chose to run for the presidency himself. (He would probably tell me that mere technocrats can't win political offices for themselves.) Or Mitch Daniels, probably the finest Republican governor in the party's history (if you're a smaller/smarter government kind of Republican).

The two that got away. In my book anyway.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   14:33:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: tpaine (#17)

"Real pol" George H.W. Bush made exactly that sort of promise regarding James Baker in his ill fated 1992 re-election bid.

Whatev. I pinged you because you are a Volokh fan. And I was posting from the old Volokh.com website, not the newer WaPo one. So this would be an excerpt of non-copyrighted Volokh material. At least, it's not WaPo.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   14:35:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative (#10)

Biden, Trump, Icahn, you're just off into an entire fantasy world of Magical Thinking, aren't you?

Given Icahn's history as an investor, you cannot seriously think he could ever be appointed, let alone confirmed, as SecTreas.

I think Trump should win and nominate whomever he pleases to those jobs.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   14:48:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: TooConservative (#19)

Imo, that law does not apply to nominations, as the Senate can refuse to appoint.

You're wrong. IMO.

Is it possible to convict a new president for a "promise or pledge" to support a nomination for a Senate appointment? -- The SCOTUS would never hear such a silly case. - I agree with Volokh.

Eugene Volokh --- "Incidentally, I'm not sure that this provision is constutitional"

Whatev. I pinged you because you are a Volokh fan. And I was posting from the old Volokh.com website, not the newer WaPo one. So this would be an excerpt of non-copyrighted Volokh material. At least, it's not WaPo.

Whatev?? I answered because I'm interested in constitutional issues. --- Too bad you aren't...

tpaine  posted on  2015-08-12   14:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: tpaine (#21) (Edited)

Whatev?? I answered because I'm interested in constitutional issues. --- Too bad you aren't...

Name any real campaigns for prez in the last 50 years where they made such a promise. I can't recall any.

It's fundamentally un-American to campaign that way. We just don't elect presidents for a slate of declared cabinet officials. America does not like shadow cabinets.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   14:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: TooConservative (#18)

I always regretted Baker never chose to run for the presidency himself.

Jamer Baker is the proto-RINO. You are focused on personality, we are focused on policy. We do not wish for a more competent execution of the globalist billionaire agenda, we do not like the agenda period. We favor America first.

All this whining about Trump's hair, we are not interested. I could care less if he was bald, had an afro or whatever. I like his policies, economic nationalism, and he is right. Those policies built up America, James Baker patrician globalism has made America weak.

If a dog bites me, I will not take comfort in that dog having an AKC pedigree and a prize at Westminster. I do not like getting bit by dogs. Better a mutt that does not bite people than a purebred that does bit people.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-08-12   14:58:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: nativist nationalist (#23)

We do not wish for a more competent execution of the globalist billionaire agenda, we do not like the agenda period.

I get your point. I do often think the government is largely so fundamentally incompetent that I do favor some actual administrative leadership. It was probably the only reason Romney was worth considering.

Even though Mussolini is wrongly credited with the practice, I do like the idea of a prez who can make the trains run on time. But without the fascism.

Personal quirk. No one cares if the prez they elect is capable of reforming and streamlining the federal leviathan.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   15:01:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: TooConservative (#22)

Is it possible to convict a new president for a "promise or pledge" to support a nomination for a Senate appointment? -- The SCOTUS would never hear such a silly case. - I agree with Volokh.

Eugene Volokh --- "Incidentally, I'm not sure that this provision is constutitional"

Whatev. I pinged you because you are a Volokh fan. And I was posting from the old Volokh.com website, not the newer WaPo one. So this would be an excerpt of non-copyrighted Volokh material. At least, it's not WaPo.

Whatev?? I answered because I'm interested in constitutional issues. --- Too bad you aren't...

Name any real campaigns for prez in the last 50 years where they made such a promise. I can't recall any. --- It's fundamentally un-American to campaign that way. We just don't elect presidents for a slate of declared cabinet officials. America does not like shadow cabinets.

America doesn't? Who elected you arbiter of un-american campaigns? -- I'd bet that a lot of citizens would like to know cabinet nominees, before the election.

tpaine  posted on  2015-08-12   15:24:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: tpaine (#25)

I'd bet that a lot of citizens would like to know cabinet nominees, before the election.

The political classes don't agree. Both parties avoid it, largely for pragmatic reasons. It's more of a recipe for party division than unity. And it ties the hands of an incoming president. Recall Eisenhower, who promised a seat on the Court to Earl Warren if he helped him carry California. Warren was a popular governor, a real GOP party boss of CA back when that meant a lot.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   16:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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