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Title: Yes, Trump Lost the Debate
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National Review
URL Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne ... 4/trump-lost-debate-rich-lowry
Published: Aug 12, 2015
Author: Rich Lowry
Post Date: 2015-08-12 09:37:23 by Tooconservative
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Comments: 132
Per this Suffolk University survey in Iowa that is not an online poll like many of the other post-debate surveys. Trump didn’t suffer a catastrophe (he still leads in the state), but the debate hurt him: The Suffolk survey has warning signs for Trump. By 2-1, 55%-23%, those surveyed say watching Trump in the debate made them feel less comfortable rather than more comfortable with him as a candidate for president. A 54% majority also reject Trump’s complaints that he was treated unfairly by the Fox News anchors who served as moderators; 41% agree with him. And a third of Iowa Republicans say Trump – enmeshed in a post-debate contretemps over his comments about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly – “doesn’t show appropriate respect for women.” A larger number, 46%, side with the real-estate mogul and reality-TV star, saying criticism of his comments about women “are just examples of political correctness.” Then there’s this: Trump scores a big lead among those who didn’t watch the debate, at 21%, double the standing of retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who finishes second at 10%. But among those who watched the debate, Trump does less well, tied with Walker at 14%. Meanwhile, Trump still leads in New Hampshire, but is lower than he had been in prior surveys: BREAKING: NEW @FPUniversity /@bostonherald NH POLL @realDonaldTrump 18% @JebBush 13% @JohnKasich 12% @CarlyFiorina 9% pic.twitter.com/lXa1NZ6JAF— Boston Herald Radio (@HeraldRadio) August 11, 2015 And Rasmussen has Trump losing altitude nationally: The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Trump with 17% support among Likely Republican Primary Voters, down from 26% in late July before the first GOP debate. Senator Marco Rubio and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush are in second place with 10% support each, in a near tie with Fiorina and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker who both earn nine percent (9%) of the likely primary vote. Next with eight percent (8%) come retired neurologist Dr. Ben Carson and Senator Ted Cruz at seven percent (7%). (To see survey question wording, click here.) Poster Comment: Trump's highest Suffolk poll standing in IA is among people who didn't watch the debate. So Trump polls best among Iowa's Know-Nothings. He could have advocated full-blown Soviet communism and still been their pick. You can't deny that NR is still a hotbed of Trump haters ("Witless Ape Rides Escalator") so take it all, like any these goofy August name-recognition polls, with a big grain of salt.
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#38. To: Pericles, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#34)
I don't know. You tell me. Also, turn that around, what is with the intense hatred that TC exudes for someone (Trump) so opposed to the GOPe? My only like for Trump at this point is: 1. The GOPe hates & fears him 2. He is not controlled by GOPe 3. I think he will do a much better job on all of these assine trade deals that the establishment has saddled us with, and therefore exported all of our industry & jobs 4. I like his attitude about all of the massive unlimited immigration 5. I like his attitude about controlling the border 6. I like his attitude that our involvement in foreign deals should be more in our favor I see little to none of that with the other clowns. I take the position that anyone that has so much hatred for Trump is because they are a cheer leader for the establishment. That much support for the establishment is what gave us Romney, McStain, McConnell, cry baby boner, et al. That is also what gave us all the cave ins to the liberal democrats and Ovomit, and that attitude also furthers the march to the NWO. It basically is a choice between America / The US Constitution, and the statist establishment. I am older, and eventually it will make no difference for me. However, I have children that will inherit this nation, so for them, I care. Therefore, I do not know about you, but given a choice, I will choose America / the US Constitution. I cannot speak for everyone, but I hero worship no one. Our nation is in a struggle for survival, and I am opposed to any & all that are facilitating its destruction. That includes the GOPestablishment. F the establishment! Si vis pacem, para bellum
You know I'm getting the distinct impression that some people are getting upset that you aren't wearing a set of Trump kneepads.
F the establishment! Very good post, and excellent summary.
They know. And if Trump is not the nominee, they will know that it's not important ENOUGH for them to change their position. Truth is, they're not going to change their minds. The only way to get the change you want is to give Trump the victory and let him go in and start firing the party officials and replacing them with his own people. THEN the party will change. They already know what the Border-bots want, and they've already decided that the desires of their crony capitalist alphas for cheap exploitable labor trump the desires of people. The Republicans may TALK a better game, but it will be just like abortion. They say what the rubes want to hear, dupe them into voting for them, and then never get it done - and blame Democrat obstruction. And the rubes are rubes, and they'll keep falling for it.
And sometimes the peasants march on the castle with pitchforks. China is old, and many dynasties have forfeited the mandate of heaven over time. GOPe has done the same.
Deep down, they know I'm right. But, like a teenage girl on a fling with some punk their mother disapproves of and their father would like to punch out, you can't talk them out of their summer crush. It's the only logical explanation. Sorry I didn't give you some credit. Fred too, maybe Gary, I guess. And tomder as well. You have to admit, LF has rarely had so many posts. So Trump is good for business at Fox News and at LibertysFlame. : )
The sad part is that so many people are going to become entrenched in their support of him that when the onion is peeled ,they still won't smell the stench.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
If I was Trump I would hire body guards lest "a crazy person acting alone" somehow takes a shot at him. He is freaking the party establishment and those people will not hesitate to kill to keep their positions.
You openly admit what you've denied recently: that you favor a President Biden. As I said all along. You really do have a reading comprehension problem. Here, let me help you out. I'll write slowly, so you can understand. (1) I am not a Republican. (2) I am not a Democrat. (3) I do not vote for babykillers. That means no Democrats, no Pataki, no Fiorina, and no Jeb - he killed Terri Schiavo. If the Republicans want my vote, they have to become pro-life and use their power to strike Roe. And they have to stop espousing foolish and evil economics, they have to stop being imperialists and Israel firsters. If the Democrats want my vote, they have to become pro-life and stop exulting in sexual immorality, and they have to stop being imperialists and Israel firsters. In the absence of that I will only consider voting for Republicans whom I believe to really BE pro-life, as opposed to one more con in the Republican game. So I WOULD vote for Huckabee or Santorum. And I MIGHT vote for Paul, Carson or Walker, if they actually persuaded me they really ARE pro-life and not just the typical Republican cons. The Republican nominee will be Jeb or Walker. With Jeb, I get a killer who is a crony capitalist, who believes in all of the stupid Republican economics and imperialism, versus a Hillary, who is a killer and evil in her own way, or Biden, who is wrong about abortion and generally right about economics. I will not vote for either Jeb or Biden, but I would prefer Biden to win that, because then I'm going to at least get Democrat economics, which are more sensible. If it's Walker versus Biden, it depends on whether or not I'm convinced Walker is sincerely pro-life and will apply a pro-life litmus test to Supreme Court nominations. If he won't, I won't vote for him, and I will prefer to see Biden win. If he convinces me that he will, I will grit my teeth and put up with the Republican economics in order to get Roe struck down. It's that simple. I won't vote for him because he's a babykiller, but I prefer Biden over a babykiller Republican, because with Biden I get better economics. I will grit my teeth and put up with Republican economic stupidity and militarism and Israel-first crap and open Borders if I think that the Republican will actually pack the Supreme Court with justices who will strike down Roe v. Wade. Democrats are better at economics than Republicans. So, when things are equal and I've babykillers on both side, I want the Democrat to win. What I really WANT is for the Republican to not be a babykillers. But the Republican Party is pro-choice, and they always put babykillers at the top. I know them by their fruit. Their words to the contrary are lies. There. I don't think I could possibly be clearer. If somebody is looking for a loyalty oath to the Republican party, they should refer to point (1): I am not a Republican. If someone wants to insist I am a Democrat, I refer to point (2) I am not a Democrat, and I do not vote for babykillers. If you don't like reading me say the same things several ways, over and over, then just take what I've said at face value. It's no "gotcha!" to say to an Independent that he prefers a specific Democrat over a specific Republican. I am not a Republican and I have no loyalty to your party. Your party offers no good policies at all, except for pro-life WHEN IT'S SINCERE. Otherwise, the Republican platform is a joke: dumb economics, suicidal foreign policy, Israel first, open borders, crony capitalism - what's not to hate? You're a clown car of stupid ideas. But you say you'll protect babies' lives - and that trumps - but only if you DO IT. Trump is talking different from you. He talks about Border control, and does so credibly. Your party gave us amnesty once and kept that conveyor belt running. Trump recognizes the need for universal health insurance. He doesn't propose single payer (though he correctly acknowledges that it is good), but speaks of a common market in the US - stripping the states of their "right" to make a mess of the market and chop it up, and imposing a federal market. That's smart. And he talks about crony capitalism, about how it has benefited him, and how it ought to start. That's honest. And he seems to have had a change of heart about abortion. I am willing to take a chance on his sincerity, in part because the Republicans are so crazed to drive him out. Anything that makes Republican partisans (other than single-issue pro-life Christians) unhappy makes me smile. You're looking for me to favor your clown car of a party. I spit on the Republican party. I think Republicans are dimwitted on key matters like war, foreign policy and economic. But the Democrats come drenched in baby blood with a heapin' helpin' o' homosexuality, and they disgust me. Having nowhere to go, I pick and choose by candidate. Presented with a babykiller on both sides, I won't VOTE for the babykiller, but I prefer Democratic economics, because they are realistic. They're not RIGHT either, but they're BETTER than the Republican nonsense. I owe your party no loyalty. They've lied to me for years. They have my contempt. If they run the right man, they might get my vote anyway. If they run Trump, they will win the White House and have the change to transform themselves into something I could support again. None of the rest of the Republican candidates can or will do that, and none of them has a hope in hell of beating the Democrats either. For your VICTORY, it's Trump, or it's nothing. For my VOTE, Walker has to convince me he'll pack the Supreme Court with pro-life justices and apply a litmus test.
I'd ease the Veep into a cush job and name Sarah Palin as his replacement. That's the best insurance policy of all.
Also, turn that around, what is with the intense hatred that TC exudes for someone (Trump) so opposed to the GOPe? I was (and kind of am) openly critical of Trump before I supported him and did so because his style of speaking tore up the process. I thoght he was running to get ratings for his series and would bow out. And I wish he did sound more presidential - I really am a fan well spoken words. Modern politicians of both parties don't sound half as eloquent as barely literate Civil War privates in their letters home. You can support Trump but be critical of him. I am hoping he becomes more polished in his speeches - there is no reason to send out tweets like he does that remind me of 12 year old girls fighting via twitter.
TL;DR I already understand.
Deep down I know you are right that Republican crapweasels are going to make sure that Trump doesn't get the nomination, that you're going to foist off Jeb Bush as your candidate, and that the Democrat is going to spank him. I'd prefer that Democrat be Biden. So, deep down I know that the next President will be a Democrat, and I've already made peace with that. I'll support Trump to the end, because he's the only one you've got who can give you the win, and who will change things as he does. You're rather lose than change, so you'll lose, and you'll deserve it.
Biden is a war monger every bit as bloody as McCain and a war criminal for his Kosovo and Serbia war support. The death of his son is probably God's punishment on him. At least I hope it is.
If so, then America lost the debate.
I live in a deep Red state. I don't have to vote for Bush but there is no chance my state flips Dem in anything less than a 45-state Dem landslide. So I have the luxury of voting as I please, knowing where the EC votes will end up. As with criminal law stories we read with surprises depending on the state the crime was in, a lot of voters are in hopelessly Blue or hopelessly Red states. So the ultimate disposition of their vote via the EC is known for years, if not decades, in advance. The states that are like this probably are more than 20 states so it isn't very unusual. Look at your own state. How much difference will it make for the EC vote of your state in 2016, no matter what you do, how much you give, how many you try to convert to or from a given candidate. There are a lot of gimme votes out there for both parties to scoop up easily.
You recall how both Biden and the Stain traveled to Georgia as candidates in 2007. Both also are big on the Colour Revolution they helped impose on Ukraine, resulting in the warfare in east Ukraine. Biden is one of the few who has actually been wrong more often than almost anyone in the Senate over the last 40 years. It is a monumental record of incompetence and wrongheadedness. McStain is barely any better but undoubtedly a bigger warmonger.
Excellent summary of the establishment! Si vis pacem, para bellum
You "understand" the way Republican generally do - which means that you can be counted on to get it wrong.
All die, as punishment for their own sins, or innocently, as victims of others' sins. It's best not to go where you go out of anger. Leave the judgment to God. It would be best, for the spiritual disposition of many people, and the good of the world, for Americans in general to give up on the idea of overseas empire and bring our forces home, cut them by 3/4 and put the remainder on the Border to stop the flow. Defend ourselves against existential threats with a strong nuclear arsenal, but save the money otherwise. And from that position, negotiate peaceful fair trade with the world. It would be best if we focused particularly on the North - on Canada and Russia - and stopped treating Russia as an adversary. They do not need to be. Their spheres of interest don't cross ours, except in the North, and there we can, and should, jointly cooperate on everything - make Russia/US the Entente Cordiale of the 21st Century. It would be best if the poor parts that we faced are the ones we neighbor, because the huge military aid we pour into Israel could, if poured into our own decayed cities and Mexico, actually permanently rectify the situation. It would be best if we did well, and thought well, and acted properly.
Nothing I do in the political sphere ever made a difference. Nor will talking about these things here. Politics is entertainment for people like you and me, nothing more.
You recall how both Biden and the Stain traveled to Georgia as candidates in 2007. Both also are big on the Colour Revolution they helped impose on Ukraine, resulting in the warfare in east Ukraine. Biden is one of the few who has actually been wrong more often than almost anyone in the Senate over the last 40 years. It is a monumental record of incompetence and wrongheadedness. McStain is barely any better but undoubtedly a bigger warmonger. I do recall - I used to be a gung ho NATO loving booster fan. When the Cold War fell I just never expected the USA would side with Muslims over Christians - even if they were the weird eastern Orthodox kind. From the 1990s till today American foreign policy has been a disaster for eastern Christianity - either the USA sides with Muslims against them like in Serbia or its policies lead to destabilized conditions that hurt them. And Biden and McCain and that hog Clinton have been at the forefront of this American made disaster as well as Bush and the neocons. I can't tell the difference. Literally, this is the thing that makes me say these provocative anti-American things as a way to push people out of their comfort zones. But it is no use. The animals are what they are.
What has Biden been wrong about, besides abortion, obviously?
You name it, Biden has been wrong about it. He's famous for this. Then there is his own scandalous conduct over the years. Sometimes I think you don't pay very close attention to the events of American politics.
I don't. I pay attention to key Supreme Court decisions, and to who makes those decisions. Therefore, I pay attention to the nominations of those figures. I pay attention to military and foreign policy decisions. I pay attention to crony capitalist and tax decisions. The rest of it is just two parties I despise squabbling over nothing and I don't bother with it. You say, "You name it, Biden has been wrong about it." Ok. Where did Biden stand on the privatization of Social Security that the Republicans pushed?
Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Syria, Libya.
I think Donald Trump is a greedy, sneaky, vain megalomaniac. Having said that, if the election comes down to him as 3rd Party vs Hillary & Jeb (or Ted Cruz after his ME Christians stunt) I will RUN to the polls to vote for Donald Trump. I am not a Republican anymore and can't vote in the primary in my state as an independent so all I can do is cheer him along. Paul going after Trump was stupid - his strength is foreign policy and libertarianism and he was acting like an inquisitor for party orthodoxy. I still long for a European style Christian democrat party (big C, small d) to join but until then I am with Trump. Also, I think it is time to end our political system. We need to adopt a parliamentary proportional system of governance. Keep the senate at 2 senators each but the house should be apportioned like a parliamentary system. We would see coalition govts and a more honest and representative party system. I am sure within the GOP and Dems are like 8 to 10 different parties.
What was the right answer in each?
What was the right answer in each? The opposite of what Biden advocated.
Trump/Fiorina ticket.
And those are his good points. ‹/rimshot›
More Trump related polling. Another new online poll here via HotAir. Alternate headline: “Blogger to start gaming out President Trump’s possible VP nominees.” On the one hand, as noted by my pal Karl, this poll was conducted using Google Consumer Surveys. If you’re wary of online polls, especially ones like this that attempt to “infer” important demographic data about respondents based on their browsing history and IP, then discount these results accordingly. On the other hand, Echelon Insights is operated by Kristen Soltis Anderson and Patrick Ruffini, two of the right’s brighter lights in political data crunching. They wouldn’t have published this poll if they didn’t have good statistical reasons to think it’s accurate, I’m sure. Pop the champagne, Trump fans. And make sure it’s only the finest champagne. The classiest. Footnote: Trump actually dropped three points since the debate. Echelon had him at 32 percent in their last poll. Still, good news on balance given his team’s fears that Megyn Kelly and the Fox crew had turned the public against him. And as many other polls have detected, his support isn’t limited to tea partiers or conservative Republicans. He’s at 26 percent or better here among “traditional conservatives,” “centrists,” and even “libertarians”(!). (Among that same group of libertarians, Rand Paul finished … eighth.) Another point in favor of thinking the poll’s broadly accurate is that it’s picking up major movement for Carly Fiorina, the one candidate more than anyone else whom everyone expected to move after her stellar performance last Thursday. She gained six points since last week overall; among people who actually watched the debate, of which there were many thanks to Trump, she leaped nine points to 12 percent. Rubio, another top debate performer, also hit 12 percent among people who watched. Among people who didn’t, he and Fiorina were stuck at four percent each. So where do we stand now that we’re halfway through the week, with a bunch of post-debate polls under our belts? Harry Enten of FiveThirtyEight looked at the gains and losses across the various surveys that have come out since the debate was held and found that the “winner,” by consensus, is pretty much who everyone thought won on Thursday night. Fiorina’s improvement isn’t surprising. Scott Walker’s deterioration is, given that the consensus on social media was that he’d been low-key and a bit dull at the debate but hadn’t said anything that should damage him. Walker may be suffering here from high expectations: He’s one of the few candidates whom even low-information Republicans might have heard of going in, thanks to his war with labor in Wisconsin a few years ago and his big poll surge earlier this year. Some segment of Walker fans may have had him as their default “not Trump and not Bush either” choice and then dumped him when he underwhelmed at the debate. (The main beneficiaries from that, I assume, are Rubio and Cruz.) Trump, meanwhile, suffered a modest average loss of just 2.3 points, but that’s really only thanks to the surprising Morning Consult poll from a few days ago showing him gaining seven points after the debate. Five of the other six post-debate polls had him losing ground, and four of them had him sliding four points or more. That’s a bad sign, but when you’re sitting on a 20-point lead, you can slip a little without worry. I’ll bet he prepares for the CNN debate next month no matter what his staff is telling the media about Mr. Authentic refusing to rehearse.
It'll be Jeb. Which means it'll be Hillary or Biden.
LOL right. But stranger things have happened. "When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan
Deep down, they know I'm right. But, like a teenage girl on a fling with some punk their mother disapproves of and their father would like to punch out, you can't talk them out of their summer crush. It's the only logical explanation. Sorry I didn't give you some credit. Fred too, maybe Gary, I guess. And tomder as well. Ok, I chuckled. Maybe even actually audibly LOL'ed. "Deep down"? OUCH! TC can't wear out his Trump kneepads if his GOPe Reince Princess autographed industrial strength kneedpads aren't fully worn down yet. Oy. And now you're giving out stars for the bulletin board? My guess is that 2-3 LFers on your "star" list will eventually understand the dynamics, stakes, and identity of the REAL enemy of the REAL battle here.
It is not too late to stop Bush. In 2012, if the grassroots had united around a single candidate and stuck with him no matter what, Romney could not have been the nominee. The Tea folk do seem, in my reading, to understand this. I think they are flirting around for now but a lot of people will realize they need to pick one guy to stop Bush. And Scott Walker just happens to be almost everyone's second pick (if he isn't their first pick) and has held that position consistently since polling started on the GOP field. This would not be the first time that everyone's second pick overcame their first picks. It is true of presidents and often of electing popes as well and for the same very human reasons.
I am such a notorious party hack that I use only military-grade kneepads monogrammed with RNC insignia when I post here. No difference. I won't actually care if I am the last non-Trump supporter here.
Lol...there ya go. We already have some dialogue for another Hitler parody! I guess eventually we can flip a coin to see which one of us plays an outraged Fuhrer. Or just wait for Trump's victory. ;-)
Yep. And Trump is your man, at least if you want my help. If not him, then Huckabee. No? Ok, then Carson. Not him either? Well, then, shucks, how about...Santorum? No. Can't win. Who's left then? Paul...eesh...ok. Then the rest of your party revolts. They won't have him. Fiorina? No. Pataki? No. Our list of options grows thin. Rubio? Is he really pro-life? Ok. But he'll lose the general. Walker? Is he really pro-life? Ok. But he'll lose the general. Meh. Too much work. I'll stick for the Donald. Not really interested in the seven dwarves.
One debate in August -- and with a volatile frontrunner like Trump -- and you're ready to award Trump the nomination by acclamation. How do you know if he has any idea (or intention) of assembling a real campaign? Recall the 1936 GOP candidacy of Alf Landon in 1936. Or the equally embarrassing GOP campaign of 1940. What's yer hurry? Don't you want to even see if Trump is going to campaign? BTW, Trump's entire campaign is just a couple of people and no one with experience running a national campaign. AFAIK, they haven't even worked on a national presidential campaign. Like Perot, Trump has thus far been incredibly tight with campaign money and is not spending like a real candidate who is preparing to run a political operation in multiple states and then nationwide. The only guy he had, the disreputable Roger Stone, quit him last weekend. I didn't like Stone but he had political experience going back to the Nixon era. You might at least argue he was semi-professional for a 50+ state campaign. I keep wondering if Trump really is willing to do all the travel and do all the events expected of a presidential candidate. It's a pretty grueling schedule for over a year.
Nope. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest" What is with this hero worship of candidates in the conservatives ranks. I don't get it. "
#39. To: TooConservative (#14)
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#40. To: Stoner (#38)
Our nation is in a struggle for survival, and I am opposed to any & all that are facilitating its destruction. That includes the GOPestablishment.
#41. To: GrandIsland (#32)
now the (R) party knows how important a WALL IS to its voting base.
#42. To: TooConservative (#37)
On the GOP plantation, the slaves get a little uppity from time to time.
#43. To: CZ82, Fred Mertz, tomder55, GarySpFc, buckeroo (#39)
You know I'm getting the distinct impression that some people are getting upset that you aren't wearing a set of Trump kneepads.
#44. To: TooConservative (#43)
#45. To: Vicomte13 (#41)
#46. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone, redleghunter (#16)
But there's no doubt in my mind that if the Republicans nominate anybody but Trump, Biden wins. And that's ok. Take out my Trump, and you still lose. I get at least half a loaf either way.
#47. To: Pericles (#45)
If I was Trump I would hire body guards lest "a crazy person acting alone" somehow takes a shot at him. He is freaking the party establishment and those people will not hesitate to kill to keep their positions.
#48. To: Stoner, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#38)
What is with this hero worship of candidates in the conservatives ranks. I don't get it. " I don't know. You tell me.
#49. To: Vicomte13 (#46)
Here, let me help you out. I'll write slowly, so you can understand.
#50. To: TooConservative (#43)
Deep down, they know I'm right. But, like a teenage girl on a fling with some punk their mother disapproves of and their father would like to punch out, you can't talk them out of their summer crush.
#51. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#50)
#52. To: TooConservative (#0)
Yes, Trump Lost the Debate
#53. To: Vicomte13 (#50)
that you're going to foist off Jeb Bush as your candidate
#54. To: Pericles (#51)
Biden is a war monger every bit as bloody as McCain and a war criminal for his Kosovo and Serbia war support. The death of his son is probably God's punishment on him. At least I hope it is.
#55. To: Vicomte13 (#50)
" You're rather lose than change, so you'll lose, and you'll deserve it. "
#56. To: TooConservative (#49)
I already understand.
#57. To: Pericles (#51)
The death of his son is probably God's punishment on him.
#58. To: TooConservative (#53)
(Edited)
Look at your own state. How much difference will it make for the EC vote of your state in 2016, no matter what you do, how much you give, how many you try to convert to or from a given candidate.
#59. To: TooConservative, Vicomte13, redleghunter (#54)
Biden is a war monger every bit as bloody as McCain and a war criminal for his Kosovo and Serbia war support. The death of his son is probably God's punishment on him. At least I hope it is.
#60. To: TooConservative (#54)
Biden is one of the few who has actually been wrong more often than almost anyone in the Senate over the last 40 years. It is a monumental record of incompetence and wrongheadedness.
#61. To: Vicomte13 (#60)
#62. To: TooConservative (#61)
(Edited)
Sometimes I think you don't pay very close attention to the events of American politics.
#63. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#60)
What has Biden been wrong about, besides abortion, obviously?
#64. To: TooConservative (#53)
(Edited)
#65. To: Pericles (#63)
Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Syria, Libya.
#66. To: Vicomte13 (#65)
Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Syria, Libya.
#67. To: TooConservative (#10)
#68. To: Pericles (#64)
I think Donald Trump is a greedy, sneaky, vain megalomaniac.
#69. To: All (#0)
(Edited)
Echelon Insights post-debate poll: Trump 29, Carson 10, Fiorina 9, Rubio 9, Bush 9
#70. To: TooConservative (#69)
Scott Walker’s deterioration is,
#71. To: Pericles (#67)
Trump/Fiorina ticket.
#72. To: TooConservative, CZ82, Fred Mertz, tomder55, GarySpFc, buckeroo, Stoner, nativist nationalist, redleghunter (#43)
You know I'm getting the distinct impression that some people are getting upset that you aren't wearing a set of Trump kneepads.
#73. To: Vicomte13 (#70)
It'll be Jeb. Which means it'll be Hillary or Biden.
#74. To: Liberator (#72)
TC can't wear out his Trump kneepads if his GOPe Reince Princess autographed industrial strength kneedpads aren't fully worn down yet.
My guess is that 2-3 LFers on your "star" list will eventually understand the dynamics, stakes, and identity of the REAL enemy of the REAL battle here.
#75. To: TooConservative (#74)
I am such a notorious party hack that I use only military-grade kneepads monogrammed with RNC insignia when I post here.
#76. To: TooConservative (#73)
It is not too late to stop Bush.
#77. To: Vicomte13 (#76)
Meh. Too much work. I'll stick for the Donald. Not really interested in the seven dwarves.
Landon proved to be an ineffective campaigner who rarely traveled. Most of the attacks on FDR and Social Security were developed by Republican campaigners rather than Landon himself. In the two months after his nomination he made no campaign appearances. As columnist Westbrook Pegler lampooned, "Considerable mystery surrounds the disappearance of Alfred M. Landon of Topeka, Kansas.... The Missing Persons Bureau has sent out an alarm bulletin bearing Mr. Landon's photograph and other particulars, and anyone having information of his whereabouts is asked to communicate direct with the Republican National Committee."
#78. To: TooConservative (#7)
Maybe I am the last non-Trumpster (other than Choo-Choo Man) here at LF.
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