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Title: Yes, Trump Lost the Debate
Source: National Review
URL Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne ... 4/trump-lost-debate-rich-lowry
Published: Aug 12, 2015
Author: Rich Lowry
Post Date: 2015-08-12 09:37:23 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 19562
Comments: 132

Per this Suffolk University survey in Iowa that is not an online poll like many of the other post-debate surveys. Trump didn’​t suffer a catastrophe (he still leads in the state), but the debate hurt him:

The Suffolk survey has warning signs for Trump. By 2-1, 55%-23%, those surveyed say watching Trump in the debate made them feel less comfortable rather than more comfortable with him as a candidate for president. A 54% majority also reject Trump’s complaints that he was treated unfairly by the Fox News anchors who served as moderators; 41% agree with him.

And a third of Iowa Republicans say Trump – enmeshed in a post-debate contretemps over his comments about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly – “doesn’t show appropriate respect for women.” A larger number, 46%, side with the real-estate mogul and reality-TV star, saying criticism of his comments about women “are just examples of political correctness.”

Then there’s this: Trump scores a big lead among those who didn’t watch the debate, at 21%, double the standing of retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who finishes second at 10%. But among those who watched the debate, Trump does less well, tied with Walker at 14%.

Trump is at 17 percent, Walker at 12 percent, Rubio at 10 percent, Carson at 9 percent, Ted Cruz at 7 percent, Fiorina at 7 percent, Bush at 5 percent, Kasich at 3 percent, Huckabee at 2 percent, Paul at 2 percent, and Christie at 2 percent.

Meanwhile, Trump still leads in New Hampshire, but is lower than he had been in prior surveys:

And Rasmussen has Trump losing altitude nationally:

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Trump with 17% support among Likely Republican Primary Voters, down from 26% in late July before the first GOP debate. Senator Marco Rubio and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush are in second place with 10% support each, in a near tie with Fiorina and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker who both earn nine percent (9%) of the likely primary vote.

Next with eight percent (8%) come retired neurologist Dr. Ben Carson and Senator Ted Cruz at seven percent (7%). (To see survey question wording, click here.)


Poster Comment:

Trump's highest Suffolk poll standing in IA is among people who didn't watch the debate. So Trump polls best among Iowa's Know-Nothings. He could have advocated full-blown Soviet communism and still been their pick.

You can't deny that NR is still a hotbed of Trump haters ("Witless Ape Rides Escalator") so take it all, like any these goofy August name-recognition polls, with a big grain of salt.

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#9. To: TooConservative (#0)

The Suffolk survey...

Yeah, and there are a few guys in Montana that think he lost, one chick in kookifornia, a teenager in Jersey and a Cecil the lion activist in Texas.

So fucking what. He's leading every other poll. Suck it up, closet libtard haters.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-12   10:35:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: GrandIsland (#9)

Yeah, and there are a few guys in Montana that think he lost, one chick in kookifornia, a teenager in Jersey and a Cecil the lion activist in Texas.

So fucking what. He's leading every other poll. Suck it up, closet libtard haters.

LOL. You really do want to go down with the ship. In this case, Trump's yacht.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   11:04:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: TooConservative (#17) (Edited)

LOL. You really do want to go down with the ship. In this case, Trump's yacht.

That's the thing, I won't sink with anyone. Even if Trump crashes and burns, another candidate will replace him. Since there isn't any viable "perfect" candidate, any of the others (including the RINO's) will be a vast improvement over commie Bernie or socialist Shitlary. If I sink, YOU SINK.

In the end, even that RINO that beats trump out will have to deal with the shit pot Trump stirred up... like now the (R) party knows how important a WALL IS to its voting base.

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-12   11:26:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: GrandIsland (#32)

now the (R) party knows how important a WALL IS to its voting base.

They know. And if Trump is not the nominee, they will know that it's not important ENOUGH for them to change their position.

Truth is, they're not going to change their minds. The only way to get the change you want is to give Trump the victory and let him go in and start firing the party officials and replacing them with his own people. THEN the party will change.

They already know what the Border-bots want, and they've already decided that the desires of their crony capitalist alphas for cheap exploitable labor trump the desires of people. The Republicans may TALK a better game, but it will be just like abortion. They say what the rubes want to hear, dupe them into voting for them, and then never get it done - and blame Democrat obstruction.

And the rubes are rubes, and they'll keep falling for it.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-12   13:32:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#45. To: Vicomte13 (#41)

If I was Trump I would hire body guards lest "a crazy person acting alone" somehow takes a shot at him. He is freaking the party establishment and those people will not hesitate to kill to keep their positions.

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