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Title: Yes, Trump Lost the Debate
Source: National Review
URL Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne ... 4/trump-lost-debate-rich-lowry
Published: Aug 12, 2015
Author: Rich Lowry
Post Date: 2015-08-12 09:37:23 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 20924
Comments: 132

Per this Suffolk University survey in Iowa that is not an online poll like many of the other post-debate surveys. Trump didn’​t suffer a catastrophe (he still leads in the state), but the debate hurt him:

The Suffolk survey has warning signs for Trump. By 2-1, 55%-23%, those surveyed say watching Trump in the debate made them feel less comfortable rather than more comfortable with him as a candidate for president. A 54% majority also reject Trump’s complaints that he was treated unfairly by the Fox News anchors who served as moderators; 41% agree with him.

And a third of Iowa Republicans say Trump – enmeshed in a post-debate contretemps over his comments about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly – “doesn’t show appropriate respect for women.” A larger number, 46%, side with the real-estate mogul and reality-TV star, saying criticism of his comments about women “are just examples of political correctness.”

Then there’s this: Trump scores a big lead among those who didn’t watch the debate, at 21%, double the standing of retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who finishes second at 10%. But among those who watched the debate, Trump does less well, tied with Walker at 14%.

Trump is at 17 percent, Walker at 12 percent, Rubio at 10 percent, Carson at 9 percent, Ted Cruz at 7 percent, Fiorina at 7 percent, Bush at 5 percent, Kasich at 3 percent, Huckabee at 2 percent, Paul at 2 percent, and Christie at 2 percent.

Meanwhile, Trump still leads in New Hampshire, but is lower than he had been in prior surveys:

And Rasmussen has Trump losing altitude nationally:

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Trump with 17% support among Likely Republican Primary Voters, down from 26% in late July before the first GOP debate. Senator Marco Rubio and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush are in second place with 10% support each, in a near tie with Fiorina and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker who both earn nine percent (9%) of the likely primary vote.

Next with eight percent (8%) come retired neurologist Dr. Ben Carson and Senator Ted Cruz at seven percent (7%). (To see survey question wording, click here.)


Poster Comment:

Trump's highest Suffolk poll standing in IA is among people who didn't watch the debate. So Trump polls best among Iowa's Know-Nothings. He could have advocated full-blown Soviet communism and still been their pick.

You can't deny that NR is still a hotbed of Trump haters ("Witless Ape Rides Escalator") so take it all, like any these goofy August name-recognition polls, with a big grain of salt.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Paradoxically, the Tweetstorm over Trump and his "blood coming from her wherever" nonsense with Megyn Kelly on Friday night has obscured the rather dramatic decline in Trump's poll numbers in traditional polling (large-sample phone-based polling, not self-selected online polling like NBC/SurveyMonkey).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   9:41:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#1)

TC, your attitude about Trump is starting to remind me of Gatlin's towards Ron Paul.

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-12   9:53:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Stoner, A K A Stone, buckeroo, Pericles (#2)

TC, your attitude about Trump is starting to remind me of Gatlin's towards Ron Paul.

Sorry to interrupt your soothing All-Trump-all-the-time coverage.

Of course, I am shorting Teh Donald's stock here at LF, betting on his inevitable implosion. 95% of LF's readership is pro-Donald after all.

Maybe I am the last non-Trumpster (other than Choo-Choo Man) here at LF. Even buckeroo is weakening.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-12   10:14:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TooConservative, Stoner, A K A Stone, buckeroo, Vicomte13, A Pole (#7) (Edited)

TC, your attitude about Trump is starting to remind me of Gatlin's towards Ron Paul.

Not fair to say that about TC. I was pretty much against Trump at first also and will turn on him if he goes sour.

What is with this hero worship of candidates in the conservatives ranks. I don't get it. Treat candidates like you would a player on a fantasy baseball team. The candidates are not your virtual reality avatars.

Did Trump win the debates? Here is where I can't judge because I am a politics nerd and by my personal standards Trump lost - he seemed like the kid who did not read his assignment and was winging his report in front of the class by clowning around.

But I am not Joe Q Public and they loved his style.

We are in the modern era where personality trumps (pun intended or not) all.

Very few people - even those who are self described conservatives or liberals - have any idea what policies are what. They have no idea what the policies mean when the politican says it (remember Gore and his lock box - what the fuck that was no one knows). The general public has a vague idea what a policy may mean - maybe, but they get personality. They like combative and assertive personality types. They like to be made to laugh. How to stop immigration? Fuck do they know but a "wall" sounds logical. I mean a wall keeps the neighbor's dog out so it must work. That is as deep a thinker as Joe Q Public gets. If you try and talk about employment IDs, fines and legal formulas to deal with illegals Joe Q Public's eyes will roll into their skulls - especially after a hard days work and a couple of beers in them.

So Trump is basically running sayin, listen, do I have specific plans? No. But I am a doer and my billions in business prove it and that is enogh for Joe Q Public. Maybe this is the end of the ideologue candidate who has to pass a litmus test from special interest groups. Those people were becoming like the fucking Gestapo for an ideology that actually has no history of working in the real world.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-12   11:48:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Pericles, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#34)

" What is with this hero worship of candidates in the conservatives ranks. I don't get it. "

I don't know. You tell me.

Also, turn that around, what is with the intense hatred that TC exudes for someone (Trump) so opposed to the GOPe?

My only like for Trump at this point is:

1. The GOPe hates & fears him

2. He is not controlled by GOPe

3. I think he will do a much better job on all of these assine trade deals that the establishment has saddled us with, and therefore exported all of our industry & jobs

4. I like his attitude about all of the massive unlimited immigration

5. I like his attitude about controlling the border

6. I like his attitude that our involvement in foreign deals should be more in our favor

I see little to none of that with the other clowns.

I take the position that anyone that has so much hatred for Trump is because they are a cheer leader for the establishment. That much support for the establishment is what gave us Romney, McStain, McConnell, cry baby boner, et al.

That is also what gave us all the cave ins to the liberal democrats and Ovomit, and that attitude also furthers the march to the NWO.

It basically is a choice between America / The US Constitution, and the statist establishment.

I am older, and eventually it will make no difference for me. However, I have children that will inherit this nation, so for them, I care.

Therefore, I do not know about you, but given a choice, I will choose America / the US Constitution.

I cannot speak for everyone, but I hero worship no one.

Our nation is in a struggle for survival, and I am opposed to any & all that are facilitating its destruction. That includes the GOPestablishment.

F the establishment!

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-12   12:52:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#40. To: Stoner (#38)

Our nation is in a struggle for survival, and I am opposed to any & all that are facilitating its destruction. That includes the GOPestablishment.

F the establishment!

Very good post, and excellent summary.

nativist nationalist  posted on  2015-08-12 13:31:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Stoner, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#38)

What is with this hero worship of candidates in the conservatives ranks. I don't get it. " I don't know. You tell me.

Also, turn that around, what is with the intense hatred that TC exudes for someone (Trump) so opposed to the GOPe?

I was (and kind of am) openly critical of Trump before I supported him and did so because his style of speaking tore up the process. I thoght he was running to get ratings for his series and would bow out.

And I wish he did sound more presidential - I really am a fan well spoken words. Modern politicians of both parties don't sound half as eloquent as barely literate Civil War privates in their letters home.

You can support Trump but be critical of him. I am hoping he becomes more polished in his speeches - there is no reason to send out tweets like he does that remind me of 12 year old girls fighting via twitter.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-12 14:26:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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