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Title: Yes, Trump Lost the Debate
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National Review
URL Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne ... 4/trump-lost-debate-rich-lowry
Published: Aug 12, 2015
Author: Rich Lowry
Post Date: 2015-08-12 09:37:23 by Tooconservative
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Per this Suffolk University survey in Iowa that is not an online poll like many of the other post-debate surveys. Trump didn’t suffer a catastrophe (he still leads in the state), but the debate hurt him: The Suffolk survey has warning signs for Trump. By 2-1, 55%-23%, those surveyed say watching Trump in the debate made them feel less comfortable rather than more comfortable with him as a candidate for president. A 54% majority also reject Trump’s complaints that he was treated unfairly by the Fox News anchors who served as moderators; 41% agree with him. And a third of Iowa Republicans say Trump – enmeshed in a post-debate contretemps over his comments about Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly – “doesn’t show appropriate respect for women.” A larger number, 46%, side with the real-estate mogul and reality-TV star, saying criticism of his comments about women “are just examples of political correctness.” Then there’s this: Trump scores a big lead among those who didn’t watch the debate, at 21%, double the standing of retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who finishes second at 10%. But among those who watched the debate, Trump does less well, tied with Walker at 14%. Meanwhile, Trump still leads in New Hampshire, but is lower than he had been in prior surveys: BREAKING: NEW @FPUniversity /@bostonherald NH POLL @realDonaldTrump 18% @JebBush 13% @JohnKasich 12% @CarlyFiorina 9% pic.twitter.com/lXa1NZ6JAF— Boston Herald Radio (@HeraldRadio) August 11, 2015 And Rasmussen has Trump losing altitude nationally: The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds Trump with 17% support among Likely Republican Primary Voters, down from 26% in late July before the first GOP debate. Senator Marco Rubio and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush are in second place with 10% support each, in a near tie with Fiorina and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker who both earn nine percent (9%) of the likely primary vote. Next with eight percent (8%) come retired neurologist Dr. Ben Carson and Senator Ted Cruz at seven percent (7%). (To see survey question wording, click here.) Poster Comment: Trump's highest Suffolk poll standing in IA is among people who didn't watch the debate. So Trump polls best among Iowa's Know-Nothings. He could have advocated full-blown Soviet communism and still been their pick. You can't deny that NR is still a hotbed of Trump haters ("Witless Ape Rides Escalator") so take it all, like any these goofy August name-recognition polls, with a big grain of salt.
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#1. To: All (#0)
Paradoxically, the Tweetstorm over Trump and his "blood coming from her wherever" nonsense with Megyn Kelly on Friday night has obscured the rather dramatic decline in Trump's poll numbers in traditional polling (large-sample phone-based polling, not self-selected online polling like NBC/SurveyMonkey).
TC, your attitude about Trump is starting to remind me of Gatlin's towards Ron Paul.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
You guys are going to successfully take out Trump, and Obama is taking out Hillary. Bonjour President Biden.
None of it really matters at this point for two reasons. Reason 1 is the primaries are for all pratical political purposes a lifetime away. Reason 2 is the media is in the business of selling advertising via controversy,so they are capable of conducting biased polls to read any way they need them to read in order to pump up circulation. What most have as their number one concern is enriching themselves. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Your dream come true.
Reason 2 is the media is in the business of selling advertising via controversy,so they are capable of conducting biased polls to read any way they need them to read in order to pump up circulation. What most have as their number one concern is enriching themselves. On #1, I already said as much. On #2, this article discusses actual traditional polling. Not some newbie outfit with a dozen people and no track record or a PollDaddy-style self-selected online survey (NBC/SurveyMonkey). The declining network news outfits are so strapped for cash (after vastly overpaying their anchors and top brand-name mouthpieces) that they have little money left to investigate and report. Or to pay for actual polls, unreliable and biased as those have become. I'll point out again that Cameron of Britain and Netanyahu were predicted by traditional polling to lose decisively in their recent elections right up to election day and they won in a landslide. Either these polls are being deliberately manipulated to favor the Left's agenda or people are simply lying to the pollsters.
Sorry to interrupt your soothing All-Trump-all-the-time coverage. Of course, I am shorting Teh Donald's stock here at LF, betting on his inevitable implosion. 95% of LF's readership is pro-Donald after all. Maybe I am the last non-Trumpster (other than Choo-Choo Man) here at LF. Even buckeroo is weakening.
Trump lost half his mile-wide-inch-deep support in NH after the first debate. Here are more details on the NH polling. In a major shake-up of the GOP pack in New Hampshire, front-runner Donald Trump has lost nearly half his support while two longshots — Ohio Gov. John Kasich and businesswoman Carly Fiorina — have surged into the top five, a new Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll reveals. Trump still leads the field with 18 percent, but the poll of likely Republican primary voters shows his numbers quickly dropping — especially among women — right after his tirade against Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly. And more than 4 in 10 GOP voters say he doesn’t have the “temperament” to be president. The Franklin Pierce/Herald poll has former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush running in second place at 13 percent, while Kasich now stands at 12 percent, launching him into serious contention in the Granite State. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is in fourth at 10 percent, and Fiorina, who has spent most of the campaign at the bottom of the pack, follows right behind at 9 percent, according to the poll of 414 likely GOP primary voters conducted Aug. 7-10. Trump has led most national and New Hampshire polls in the last few weeks despite igniting a series of firestorms that have engulfed his campaign, including questioning U.S. Sen. John McCain’s war hero status. But his incendiary comments about Kelly appear to be taking a toll among Granite State Republicans and independents. In the four-day polling sample, Trump’s numbers dropped more than 10 points the night after the roiling controversy and never recovered. Trump is now viewed unfavorably by 55 percent of likely GOP women voters, compared to just 38 percent of men, suggesting a widening gender problem for Trump’s campaign. But remember, the women love him or something. Let’s face it, this barking clown will rapidly fade, then decide to drop out and claim he made a lot of money with this stunt. Anything to assuage his frail ego.
Yeah, and there are a few guys in Montana that think he lost, one chick in kookifornia, a teenager in Jersey and a Cecil the lion activist in Texas. So fucking what. He's leading every other poll. Suck it up, closet libtard haters. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
A bit more on about these online polls. NeoNeocon, 8/11/15: One thing I’ve noticed is that all of the post-debate polls I’ve located so far (except two that only deal with Iowa; see this and this) are online polls.[* see below] Now, they’re not the sort of online polls that have no science whatsoever to them, where anyone can vote over and over and they’re easy to game (usually by Paul-supporters, although I don’t see them having the same enthusiasm for Rand as they did for Ron). These recent post-debate online post-debate polls are better than that; for example, they try to weight their subjects as regards party affiliation, etc. But as unreliable as ordinary polls can be, these tend to be even more unreliable. So I doubt that we know all that well who has really gotten a bump from the debate, who has fallen, and who has remained the same, although we know what people on blogs are saying and what the pundits are writing. We also know whose coffers are getting an infusion of money (Fiorina) and who is going broke (Perry, who I predict will drop out fairly soon if that report is correct). Putting that aside, here’s a question I’d like to see answered in future polls: who did you vote for in the last presidential election? I have a completely untested theory that quite a few of those who say their favorite candidate is Trump and that they will vote for him in the primary are people who previously had been so turned off by politics and the GOP that they quit voting a while ago. I would predict that perhaps a third of them hadn’t voted in 2012 (or wrote in a candidate), and hadn’t planned to vote in 2016 except for Trump’s candidacy. Another question that interests me regarding polling is one that was broached by commenter “beth”: There is an interesting thing about these polls and even Steven Crowder has picked up on it, can you find anyone who says they are voting for Bush? I can’t. Do any of you know anyone? How in the heck is he in 2nd and 3rd place? Beth is voicing what I’d call the Pauline Kael fallacy (actually, the pseudo fallacy, because Kael was somewhat misquoted). Just because you or I don’t know a single person who is supporting Bush doesn’t mean such people don’t exist. Actually, I hardly know anyone who votes Republican to begin with, but the few I know are not Bush-supporters. However, Bush has a lot of money, so somebody out there likes him. There are still quite a few moderate Republicans around, and in fact I know one of them quite well, although I haven’t talked to her recently and I certainly haven’t talked to her about the election. But she is what used to be known as a “country-club Republican.” She was raised a Republican in a very country-clubby family and still lives that sort of life, for the most part. She’s also what you might call a Republican LIV; doesn’t pay all that much attention to politics but almost always votes and votes Republican. As I said, I don’t talk to her often and haven’t talked to her this election cycle. But if I had to guess, she’s a Bush supporter. She’s not alone in her political viewpoints and background, either. That’s where his support comes from, I believe—that and the Chamber of Commerce-ers (a certain amount of overlap there, I’d guess). I believe the polls are accurately reflecting those groups, although they’re not groups whose representatives you find on blogs all that often. They’ve got better things to do, especially in the summer: golf, sailing, drinks on the patio, you know the drill. I’ll have to remember to ask her next time I see her, because now I’ve gotten curious. So, do you know any Bush-supporters? [ADDENDUM: Nate Silver has an interesting take on the Trump polling figures and what they mean.] [* Commenter “jack” has offered a link to a post-debate Rasmussen poll.]
"OK staff. Find a survey, any survey, anywhere, that shows Trump didn't do as well in the debate as everyone is saying. I don't even care if it's from some obscure university in some podunk state. Just get me one I can use!" Annnnd, Rich Lowry joins the growing list at National review that will not get an interview with Trump. There's a publication with diversity, huh? I found a recording of the staff at National Review on their way to work:
Lots of people like Trump. So the media is taking him out, and you're happy about it. You're going to get some milquetoast eunuch, and you will be happy about that...until, with the media's help, he is shoved aside in favor of Biden. Then you won't be happy at all. Meanwhile, I will be happy if Trump wins. And I will be in shoulder-shrug-get- on-with-life mode if either Walker or Biden win. But there's no doubt in my mind that if the Republicans nominate anybody but Trump, Biden wins. And that's ok. Take out my Trump, and you still lose. I get at least half a loaf either way. Sucks to be you.
Exactly.... and journalistically, it's the YELLA thing to do. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
And more from Nate Silver: Lieberman, Clinton, Giuliani and Perry, as you’ve probably gathered, are not the faces atop Mount Rushmore. Only Clinton came close to winning the nomination. But the problem isn’t just that the national polls at this stage in the race lack empirical power to predict the nomination; it’s also that they describe a fiction. I don’t mean to suggest that Donald Trump’s support in the polls is “fake.” I have no doubt that some people really love him or that he’d be the favorite if you held a national, winner-take-all Republican primary tomorrow. However, the “election” these polls describe is hypothetical in at least five ways: This is why it’s exasperating that the mainstream media has become obsessed with how Trump is performing in these polls. So you should ignore those national polls entirely? In a literal sense, they do have some correlation with election outcomes: Even this far out, a candidate near the top of the polls is a somewhat better bet to win the nomination than one near the bottom. But that’s like projecting a major league pitcher’s numbers from high school stats: Sure, you’d rather draft a random 17-year-old with a 2.14 ERA than another one with a 3.31 ERA if that’s all the information you have to go by. But that data doesn’t reveal very much, and its predictive power tends to be swamped by other indicators (everything from the pitcher’s strikeout-to-walk ratio to his scouting reports). In the case of presidential primaries, indicators such as endorsements and support from party elites tend to be more reliable indicators of eventual success. To the extent that you’re looking at polls, you should probably adjust for name recognition and the amount of media attention a candidate is receiving. And you should account for favorability numbers and second-choice preferences, since all but a few candidates will eventually drop out of the running. It’s possible — pretty easy, in fact — for a candidate to improve his standing in the polls while he simultaneously lowers his chance to become the nominee. Currently, the average GOP voter has a favorable view of seven Republican candidates; being agreeable won’t help you stand out in the near term, even though the nomination is a consensus-building process in the long term. What about being a jerk? If you can make yourself the center of attention — and no candidate in modern memory has been more skilled at that than Trump — you can potentially turn the polls into a referendum on your candidacy. It’s possible that many GOP voters are thinking about the race in just that way now. First, they ask themselves whether they would vote for Trump; if not, they then choose among the 16 other candidates. The neat thing about this is that you can overwhelmingly lose the majority in the referendum — 75 percent of Republicans are not voting for Trump — and yet still hold the plurality so long as the “no” vote is divided among a sufficient number of alternatives. Another trade-off comes from entrenching your appeal with a narrow segment of the electorate at the expense of broadening your coalition. I’ve seen a lot written about how Trump’s candidacy heralds a new type of populism. If it does, this type of populism isn’t actually very popular. Trump’s overall favorability ratings2 are miserable, about 30 percent favorable and 60 percent unfavorable, and they haven’t improved (whatever gains he’s made among Republicans have been offset by his declines among independents and Democrats). To some extent, the 30 percent may like Trump precisely because they know the 60 percent don’t like him. More power to the 30 percent: I have plenty of my own issues with the political establishment. But running a campaign that caters to (for lack of a better term) contrarians is exactly how you ensure that you’ll never reach a majority.3 At FiveThirtyEight, however, we’re fairly agnostic about what will happen to Trump’s polling in the near term. It’s possible that he’s already peaked — or that he’ll hold his support all the way through Iowa and New Hampshire, possibly even winning one or two early states, as similar candidates like Pat Buchanan and Newt Gingrich have in the past.4 Our emphatic prediction is simply that Trump will not win the nomination. It’s not even clear that he’s trying to do so. Read more: “The Bernie Sanders Surge Appears To Be Over“ Nate Silver is the founder and editor in chief of FiveThirtyEight.
Democrat talk.
Take out my Trump, and you still lose. I get at least half a loaf either way. You openly admit what you've denied recently: that you favor a President Biden. As I said all along.
So fucking what. He's leading every other poll. Suck it up, closet libtard haters. LOL. You really do want to go down with the ship. In this case, Trump's yacht.
Trump won the debate on the first question by just raising his hand to indicate that he has some principals and won't necessarily back the GOP candidate, which is traditionally a POS. None of the others did, indicating that they're lockstep party hacks who'll back Satan should he receive the GOP nomination. That's a likely possibility with a Bush! running. They don't care. They believe it is impossible for Trump to get the nomination. Trump will never get key party leaders to support him. Historically, it is the single strongest factor in securing the nomination. Just ask the Xlintons. That's how Obama beat them (along with playing a strong game in the delegate caucuses that follow immediately after many state primaries and playing the superdelegate game well).
Actually, that's when he lost the debate. The dustup with Megyn Kelly obscured that. A lot of GOP viewers did not like his threat to go Perot on them after he filed for the GOP nomination and accepted a slot in the debates. Why do you think he was being booed all the way through the first debate in Ohio. They hated him.
Do you dream about Donald Trump too?
You're really dumb.
Nope. What's wrong, starting to recall what it felt like to support Fred Thompson to your dying breath as he doddered around the Iowa state fair?
I am, aren't I? Lines like that work better for Trump because he has (or claims to have) $10 billion.
Now you are lying again. Chan already gave you a break down on applauses. Trump got the most. Why do you feel the need to lie? Karl Rove is oozing out of your ....
Huh?
He was a joke. I always knew that. He was there to help take out Ron Paul. I remember that loser was in the debate the excluded Paul from. Then he was at the bottom of the pack behind Ron Paul.
Democrat talk. Truth.
It wasn't a line. It was a truthful observation.
Yeah, you are acting just like gatlin. Are you two related? Seem to have the same dna. You need to seek help! Si vis pacem, para bellum
I'm surprised Gatlin hasn't turned up again. Maybe he's off slumming at TOS. He threw a tantrum and stormed out because Stone wouldn't believe something he said.
That's the thing, I won't sink with anyone. Even if Trump crashes and burns, another candidate will replace him. Since there isn't any viable "perfect" candidate, any of the others (including the RINO's) will be a vast improvement over commie Bernie or socialist Shitlary. If I sink, YOU SINK. In the end, even that RINO that beats trump out will have to deal with the shit pot Trump stirred up... like now the (R) party knows how important a WALL IS to its voting base. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Gatlin is voluntarily MIA... he made the decision on principle. His own principle. Though I disagree with his way of handling the incident that caused him to stop posting, it is and was his decision to make. I hope he returns and realizes not everyone in an on line forum will believe him, be civil with him or agree with him. It is what it is... and that's why we're here. I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح
Not fair to say that about TC. I was pretty much against Trump at first also and will turn on him if he goes sour. What is with this hero worship of candidates in the conservatives ranks. I don't get it. Treat candidates like you would a player on a fantasy baseball team. The candidates are not your virtual reality avatars. Did Trump win the debates? Here is where I can't judge because I am a politics nerd and by my personal standards Trump lost - he seemed like the kid who did not read his assignment and was winging his report in front of the class by clowning around. But I am not Joe Q Public and they loved his style. We are in the modern era where personality trumps (pun intended or not) all. Very few people - even those who are self described conservatives or liberals - have any idea what policies are what. They have no idea what the policies mean when the politican says it (remember Gore and his lock box - what the fuck that was no one knows). The general public has a vague idea what a policy may mean - maybe, but they get personality. They like combative and assertive personality types. They like to be made to laugh. How to stop immigration? Fuck do they know but a "wall" sounds logical. I mean a wall keeps the neighbor's dog out so it must work. That is as deep a thinker as Joe Q Public gets. If you try and talk about employment IDs, fines and legal formulas to deal with illegals Joe Q Public's eyes will roll into their skulls - especially after a hard days work and a couple of beers in them. So Trump is basically running sayin, listen, do I have specific plans? No. But I am a doer and my billions in business prove it and that is enogh for Joe Q Public. Maybe this is the end of the ideologue candidate who has to pass a litmus test from special interest groups. Those people were becoming like the fucking Gestapo for an ideology that actually has no history of working in the real world.
You've just figured that out? You do know that's not breaking news don't you? The corruption of the ruling class patrician establishment GOPe is old news. Ever since Angelo Codevilla wrote "America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution" I've been waiting for someone to capitalize on the power vacuum he identified. I had figured it would probably be Trump; but I figured he would do a repeat of Ross Perot and run as an independent from the beginning. His strategy has been better than I could have hoped, he must have an intuitive sense about this sort of thing. Running for the GOP nomination first to expose how the nomination process is rigged in favor of the plutocracy was an even better idea. Lots of fresh wounds come November 2016, so average Joe GOP voter can see just how bad the GOPe is. The more he can do to destroy the GOP the better his chances next November. There is nothing sacred about the GOP. It came to power upon the grave of another party that had lost its way, pimped out to a plutocracy in the 1850's and stabbing its voters in the back. There was nothing sacred about the Whig party. The GOPe has become what those who met in Ripon were against. It should die. The important thing to preserve is America. Threats to America are what should die, and a GOPe that emulates Judas should go into the ash-bin of history. Codevilla's "country class" needs a political party, the ruling class still has the democrat party. Of course in the long run the ruling class is a threat to America. An aristocratic oligarchy is an anathema to the founding ideals of this nation. The ruling class has been waging war against the country class, they will need to reap what they've sown.
I thought pinging him would remind him he isn't forgotten here.
You realize that they see it differently. They own the country, they just let us live in it. Deep down, that is the consensus view of the elite in both parties. The Dems have a better plantation system, having much longer experience with managing slaves. On the GOP plantation, the slaves get a little uppity from time to time.
I don't know. You tell me. Also, turn that around, what is with the intense hatred that TC exudes for someone (Trump) so opposed to the GOPe? My only like for Trump at this point is: 1. The GOPe hates & fears him 2. He is not controlled by GOPe 3. I think he will do a much better job on all of these assine trade deals that the establishment has saddled us with, and therefore exported all of our industry & jobs 4. I like his attitude about all of the massive unlimited immigration 5. I like his attitude about controlling the border 6. I like his attitude that our involvement in foreign deals should be more in our favor I see little to none of that with the other clowns. I take the position that anyone that has so much hatred for Trump is because they are a cheer leader for the establishment. That much support for the establishment is what gave us Romney, McStain, McConnell, cry baby boner, et al. That is also what gave us all the cave ins to the liberal democrats and Ovomit, and that attitude also furthers the march to the NWO. It basically is a choice between America / The US Constitution, and the statist establishment. I am older, and eventually it will make no difference for me. However, I have children that will inherit this nation, so for them, I care. Therefore, I do not know about you, but given a choice, I will choose America / the US Constitution. I cannot speak for everyone, but I hero worship no one. Our nation is in a struggle for survival, and I am opposed to any & all that are facilitating its destruction. That includes the GOPestablishment. F the establishment! Si vis pacem, para bellum
You know I'm getting the distinct impression that some people are getting upset that you aren't wearing a set of Trump kneepads.
F the establishment! Very good post, and excellent summary.
They know. And if Trump is not the nominee, they will know that it's not important ENOUGH for them to change their position. Truth is, they're not going to change their minds. The only way to get the change you want is to give Trump the victory and let him go in and start firing the party officials and replacing them with his own people. THEN the party will change. They already know what the Border-bots want, and they've already decided that the desires of their crony capitalist alphas for cheap exploitable labor trump the desires of people. The Republicans may TALK a better game, but it will be just like abortion. They say what the rubes want to hear, dupe them into voting for them, and then never get it done - and blame Democrat obstruction. And the rubes are rubes, and they'll keep falling for it.
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#2. To: TooConservative (#1)
#3. To: TooConservative (#0)
#4. To: TooConservative (#1)
Paradoxically, the Tweetstorm over Trump and his "blood coming from her wherever" nonsense with Megyn Kelly on Friday night has obscured the rather dramatic decline in Trump's poll numbers in traditional polling (large-sample phone-based polling, not self-selected online polling like NBC/SurveyMonkey).
#5. To: Vicomte13 (#3)
Bonjour President Biden.
#6. To: sneakypete (#4)
Reason 1 is the primaries are for all pratical political purposes a lifetime away.
#7. To: Stoner, A K A Stone, buckeroo, Pericles (#2)
TC, your attitude about Trump is starting to remind me of Gatlin's towards Ron Paul.
#8. To: All (#0)
(Edited)
Trump’s New Hampshire Approval Dropped 10 Points in One Day After His Megyn Kelly Meltdown
This moron is still walking around bragging that he leads all the polls, so let him enjoy it while it lasts. Because it won’t be long until he’s polling at George Pataki levels. This carnival sideshow is about to crater.
#9. To: TooConservative (#0)
The Suffolk survey...
#10. To: All (#0)
Let’s talk about polling
#11. To: TooConservative (#0)
(Edited)
"Per this Suffolk University survey in Iowa that is not an online poll like many of the other post-debate surveys."
#12. To: TooConservative (#10)
#13. To: misterwhite (#11)
"OK staff. Find a survey, any survey, anywhere, that shows Trump didn't do as well in the debate as everyone is saying. I don't even care if it's from some obscure university in some podunk state. Just get me one I can use!"
#14. To: All (#10)
Donald Trump Is Winning The Polls — And Losing The Nomination
Twelve years ago, in August 2003, Joe Lieberman led in most polls of the Democratic primary. Eight years ago, in August 2007, Rudy Giuliani maintained a clear lead in polls of Republicans, while Hillary Clinton led in polls of the Democratic nomination contest. Four years ago, in August 2011, Mitt Romney began with the lead in polls of Republican voters, but he would be surpassed by the end of the month by Rick Perry, the first of four Republican rivals who would at some point overtake Romney in national polling averages. Footnotes
#15. To: Vicomte13 (#12)
Biden wins. And that's ok.
#16. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone, redleghunter (#12)
But there's no doubt in my mind that if the Republicans nominate anybody but Trump, Biden wins. And that's ok.
#17. To: GrandIsland (#9)
Yeah, and there are a few guys in Montana that think he lost, one chick in kookifornia, a teenager in Jersey and a Cecil the lion activist in Texas.
#18. To: TooConservative, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#0)
"We (government) need to do a lot less, a lot sooner" ~Ron Paul
#19. To: misterwhite (#11)
Annnnd, Rich Lowry joins the growing list at National review that will not get an interview with Trump. There's a publication with diversity, huh?
#20. To: hondo68 (#18)
Trump won the debate on the first question by just raising his hand to indicate that he has some principals and won't necessarily back the GOP candidate, which is traditionally a POS.
#21. To: TooConservative (#19)
Trump will never get key party leaders to support him.
#22. To: TooConservative (#20)
Actually, that's when he lost the debate.
#23. To: A K A Stone (#21)
Do you dream about Donald Trump too?
#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)
You're really dumb.
#25. To: TooConservative, nolu chan (#20)
They hated him.
#26. To: TooConservative (#20)
"Why do you think he was being booed all the way through the first debate in Ohio."
#27. To: TooConservative (#23)
Fred Thompson.
#28. To: A K A Stone (#15)
Biden wins. And that's ok.
#29. To: TooConservative (#24)
Lines like that work better for Trump
#30. To: TooConservative, aka stone (#7)
" I am shorting Teh Donald's stock here at LF "
#31. To: Stoner, Gatlin (#30)
Yeah, you are acting just like gatlin. Are you two related? Seem to have the same dna.
#32. To: TooConservative (#17)
(Edited)
LOL. You really do want to go down with the ship. In this case, Trump's yacht.
#33. To: TooConservative (#31)
(Edited)
I'm surprised Gatlin hasn't turned up again. Maybe he's off slumming at TOS. He threw a tantrum and stormed out because Stone wouldn't believe something he said.
#34. To: TooConservative, Stoner, A K A Stone, buckeroo, Vicomte13, A Pole (#7)
(Edited)
TC, your attitude about Trump is starting to remind me of Gatlin's towards Ron Paul.
#35. To: TooConservative (#19)
Trump will never get key party leaders to support him.
#36. To: GrandIsland (#33)
Yeah, you are acting just like gatlin. Are you two related? Seem to have the same dna.
#37. To: nativist nationalist (#35)
Of course in the long run the ruling class is a threat to America. An aristocratic oligarchy is an anathema to the founding ideals of this nation. The ruling class has been waging war against the country class, they will need to reap what they've sown.
#38. To: Pericles, A K A Stone, Vicomte13 (#34)
" What is with this hero worship of candidates in the conservatives ranks. I don't get it. "
#39. To: TooConservative (#14)
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#40. To: Stoner (#38)
Our nation is in a struggle for survival, and I am opposed to any & all that are facilitating its destruction. That includes the GOPestablishment.
#41. To: GrandIsland (#32)
now the (R) party knows how important a WALL IS to its voting base.
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