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Title: My ideas for dealing with immigration, both legal and illegal
Source: http://libertysflame.com/
URL Source: http://libertysflame.com/
Published: Aug 11, 2015
Author: Pericles
Post Date: 2015-08-11 23:25:55 by Pericles
Keywords: None
Views: 1326
Comments: 15

1) Amendment to the constitution stating that citizenship upon birth is consigned only if the mother is a legal resident of the USA (be she citizen or green card holder).

2) Illegal aliens who entered the USA and have no arrest warrant can stay in the USA but will never be eligible for American citizenship unless they serve in the US military and achieve an honorable discharge. They would basically be green card holders for life. Additionally, the number of these legalized immigrants directly impacts the quota ratio from their country of origins and reducing their numbers until the yearly amount is used up. This is hoped would make the other country a partner in securing their illegal immigrants. If the quota is 100,000 from that country and a million illegals are captured then it would be 10 years before anyone from that country can legally enter the USA.

3) Countries will be taxed on their trade to the USA to subsidize the immigrant population in the USA. Money will be used on assimilation programs.

4) Muslim immigrants will be required to renounce sharia law before granted a green card and citizenship. This is similar to our laws where we ask people of they are communists. If we can ask if they are members of a pretty much defunct political system we can use that rule to weed out sharia law devotees. If a Muslim immigrant begins to push sharia after he will be deported and his citizenship stripped.

5) Employment ID cards will be issued to all legal adult aliens eligible to work in the USA and employment checks and fines for employers of illegal aliens.

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#1. To: Pericles (#0)

It's a good stab at a set of laws.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-11   23:49:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pericles (#0)

1) Amendment to the constitution stating that citizenship upon birth is consigned only if the mother is a legal resident of the USA (be she citizen or green card holder).

Don't need an amendment, there is so little about Immigration in the Constitution, that by simply eliminating everything that kennedy hasd passed, yuo would be restoring immigration back to where it was pre-kennedy.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-08-12   8:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BobCeleste (#2)

on't need an amendment, there is so little about Immigration in the Constitution, that by simply eliminating everything that kennedy hasd passed, yuo would be restoring immigration back to where it was pre-kennedy.

No, that is bullshit for 2 reasons.

1) It was a Supreme Court decision.

and

2) Kennedy's immigration law is something that I have heard so called conservatives gripe about for years - the conspiracy being European immigration was pushed aside in favor of third world immigration. The reality is by the 60s, Europeans were not immigrating to America in numbers any longer. Europe was going through an economic boom, especially Germany and Germany was sucking up all available immigrants (Eastern Europe was behind the Iron Curtain). The USA's oligarchs needed an every incoming supply of immigrants to keep wages suppressed so they opened it up to Asian and Latin, etc immigration with quotas for each country. That is the truth of it. For white people from Western Europe to come to America (with a few exceptions) it is a step down from their superior lives in Europe.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-12   8:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pericles (#3)

OK, genius, quote all the US Constitution, not your silly imagination, says about immigration.

BobCeleste  posted on  2015-08-12   9:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BobCeleste (#4)

OK, genius, quote all the US Constitution, not your silly imagination, says about immigration

It is what the Supreme Court says it says. That is how the system works now. I am talking real world not how you wish it was.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-12   9:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pericles (#0)

"2) Illegal aliens who entered the USA and have no arrest warrant can stay in the USA but will never be eligible for American citizenship unless they serve in the US military and achieve an honorable discharge. They would basically be green card holders for life."

"Green cards holders for life" won't last, no more than a "life" sentence for criminals. 5 or 10 years from now, bleeding hearts will demand they be made citizens.

I say we offer those who come forward (within a set period of time, say one year) 5-year renewable work visas. This will minimize the cost of government benefits. If they want citizenship, they can go to the back of the line.

Anyone who doesn't come forward in one year is deported. Sorry, you had your chance. We were more than fair.

"Additionally, the number of these legalized immigrants directly impacts the quota ratio from their country of origins and reducing their numbers until the yearly amount is used up."

I agree. If we hand out 5 million work visas to Mexicans already here, 5 million work visas are denied Mexico. This gives us time to assimilate those already here.

I would add #6. English is the official language of the U.S. No government agency is allowed to use or print anything but English. That includes public schools.

If private industry wishes to continue using additional languages to explain their product or services to their customers, they're free to do so. Additionally, private industry is not required to make any language accommodations for their employees.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-13   10:50:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: misterwhite (#6)

"Green cards holders for life" won't last, no more than a "life" sentence for criminals. 5 or 10 years from now, bleeding hearts will demand they be made citizens.

Make it an amendment to the constitution to shut you slipper slopers - who won't pass any law because you take the worst case scenario to the Nth degree.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-13   11:06:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: misterwhite (#6) (Edited)

I would add #6. English is the official language of the U.S. No government agency is allowed to use or print anything but English. That includes public schools.

No. If the founders did not create an official language, why should we? The reason they did not create an official language? Many colonists who fought for independence were from non-Anglo colonists like the Dutch, the Germans, French and Spanish and Native Americans. States like Louisiana and Oklahoma and Hawaii and even the former Mexican lands like Texas and California, etc were not English speaking originally or were not fully comprised of native English speakers.

So, no to English as the official language. If you believe in the free market - then language will follow the language associated with capitalist success.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-13   11:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pericles (#8) (Edited)

"If the founders did not create an official language, why should we?"

We're doing a lot today the Founders never created. So that's no reason for inaction.

"If you believe in the free market - then language will follow the language associated with capitalist success."

Oh, but I do. Private business can do whatever they want. Why, I even think they should be allowed to hire only straight, white males if they want and deny their services to gay black women if they want. Do you?

Moot point. I was referring to government. Federal, state and local. (Plus public schools.) Only English. All legal proceedings and all legal documents in English. Voting in English.

I want people to assimilate into our culture, and language is one of the ways. I also believe that not knowing our language holds people back from being as successful as they can be.

Would you go to another country, say France, and insist that they accommodate people who speak only English? What do you think France would say? I think they would say (in French, of course), "This is France. In our country, we speak French. Learn it."

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-13   11:31:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: misterwhite (#9)

I was referring to government. Federal, state and local. (Plus public schools.) Only English. All legal proceedings and all legal documents in English. Voting in English.

No, because you insult the non English speakers who fought in the revolution. Native German colonists, Dutch, French, Spanish, Indians all fought for the revolution and none were required to state English was the language that would rule over them as an official language.

England is the land of the Anglo-Saxons - who were invaders by the way - drove out the native Britons who are now called "Welsh" and in Wales they try to maintain their original language as an official language and on and on.

The USA is not a nation based on an ethnicity nor a language but an ideal of freedom. So passing a law imposing a language on people is wrong - doubly wrong when many of the people of the colonies who fought for the revolution were themselves not English.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-13   12:03:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pericles (#10)

"to state English was the language that would rule over them as an official language."

Wow! I'm impressed by the magniloquence of "the language that would rule over them".

I don't care what language they speak amongst themselves. But a government governs ALL, and we need a common language to do so effectively. We also need a common language to communicate with each other. I say it should be English. If you want another, fine. I know they were considering Esperanto at one time.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-13   12:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: misterwhite (#11) (Edited)

But a government governs ALL

A govt is "of the people, by the people, for the people". I laugh at small govt conservatives who don't know what that means and take on big govt positions for nationalistic reasons.

And I keep mentioning to you the USA was created by people who came from non Anglo-Saxon colonies like the Dutch and the Germans as well as others and to force them to speak English via law is what the English did to the Cajuns. Those non English speaking patriots helped found the Republic. Making English an official language over them is actually anti-revolution.

In fact some of the founding fathers wanted to get rid of English in favor of German, French, Greek, or Hebrew as the national tongue.

So, no.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-13   12:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pericles (#12)

"and to force them to speak English via law"

No, for the third time, I said force government to speak English. One language.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-13   12:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: misterwhite (#13)

I said force government to speak English. One language.

And why do you think govt is this seperate entity? Govt is the people. Of the people who founded the USA were not all English speakers from colonies that were conquered by the British so why impose a language on them? So no need to impose this law just because you don't like Spanish.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-13   13:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Pericles (#14)

"Of the people who founded the USA were not all English speakers from colonies that were conquered by the British so why impose a language on them?"

All of the Founding Fathers spoke English.

"So no need to impose this law just because you don't like Spanish."

My liking or disliking Spanish has nothing to do with my desire for English as the national language. The United States is one of only eight countries without a national language.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-13   15:18:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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