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Title: Trump campaign claims it fired top adviser -- who says he quit
Source: CNN
URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/polit ... ld-trump-campaign-roger-stone/
Published: Aug 8, 2015
Author: MJ Lee and Dana Bash
Post Date: 2015-08-08 20:21:33 by Tooconservative
Keywords: None
Views: 17721
Comments: 174

(CNN)Donald Trump's campaign said Saturday it has fired top political adviser Roger Stone -- who promptly denied being let go and insisted he had quit.

Stone's disassociation from the Trump operation Saturday highlights the campaign's seeming lack of veteran political advisers, even as the 2016 season is ramping up in earnest. And the dispute opens a window into two different factions of the campaign: one side that wants to maintain Trump's high visibility by capitalizing on his public feuds and bombastic rhetoric, and another that wants to pull the candidate toward more disciplined political strategy.

The episode caps a tumultuous few weeks for Trump's presidential campaign, which recently cut ties with two men accused of writing inflammatory Facebook posts. Trump, who is currently leading national polls, delivered an explosive performance at the first GOP debate in Cleveland Thursday, and went on to make inflammatory comments about Fox News host Megyn Kelly in an interview on CNN Friday night.

"Mr. Trump fired Roger Stone last night. We have a tremendously successful campaign and Roger wanted to use the campaign for his own personal publicity. He has had a number of articles about him recently and Mr. Trump wants to keep the focus of the campaign on how to Make America Great Again," a campaign spokesperson told CNN.

Stone, however, told CNN that he "categorically denies" being fired, and provided what he said was his resignation letter.

"Unfortunately, the current controversies involving personalities and provocative media fights have reached such a high volume that it has distracted attention from your platform and overwhelmed your core message. With this current direction of the candidacy, I no longer can remain involved in your campaign," the letter to Trump says.

Stone added: "I care about you as a friend and wish you well. Be assured I will continue to be vocal and active in the national debate to ensure our nation does not again turn to the failed and distrusted Bush/Clinton families."

Trump's campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, said the team never saw Stone's letter. For his part, Stone tweeted Saturday afternoon that he "fired Trump."

"Sorry @realDonaldTrump didn't fire me- I fired Trump. Diasagree [sic] with diversion to food fight with @megynkelly away core issue messages," the tweet read.

The Washington Post first reported that Stone was no longer a part of Trump's campaign.

Matt Mackowiak, a Republican political consultant and close friend of Stone's, told CNN that Stone was deeply disappointed with Trump's debate performance Thursday.

Stone, a former aide to President Richard Nixon who has known Trump for several decades, helped with the candidate's debate preparations. He had hoped that Trump would stay focused and disciplined, sticking largely to issues like illegal immigration and trade. Instead, Stone concluded that Trump had taken the debate to a "circus-like place."

The working relationship between Stone and Trump became further strained when Trump made controversial comments about Kelly in an interview with CNN's Don Lemon.

"You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes," Trump told Lemon. "Blood coming out of her wherever."

"Calling into CNN and making outrageous comments about Megyn Kelly and making it even more of a circus than it already is, Roger just felt like he couldn't stand by him," Mackowiak said.

Mackowiak also said Stone had planned to announce his resignation Saturday night, and when Trump got word, the candidate announced he had fired Stone.

One Trump associate and friend also told CNN that existing tensions between Stone and Trump reached a breaking point following the candidate's explosive debate performance.

"He has been disenchanted with Trump for a few weeks now," the associate said, citing Stone's perception that Trump's candidacy lacked "seriousness."

According to this source, Stone was unhappy with Trump's conduct on the debate stage in Cleveland, and when Stone shared these thoughts with Trump, the billionaire businessman "didn't want to hear it."

Another Republican source close to Stone said the adviser resigned in part because he grew frustrated with the campaign's refusal to focus on policy specifics and conduct polling.

"Roger has been trying to press the campaign to get specific on issues, to poll, to run an actual campaign, while others in Trumpland have been egging him on to continue to engage in these political food fights like the Megyn Kelly incident," the Republican source said.

Speaking with CNN's Poppy Harlow late Saturday afternoon, Stone again insisted he quit, saying he felt he "was having no impact." He said he hoped Trump would return to speaking about the "big picture" issues, such as trade and immigration, that helped fuel his rise to the top of GOP polls.

But Stone refused to elaborate in greater detail about how his relationship with the campaign ruptured, saying he had "no intention about talking about internal campaign deliberations."

He did say, however, that he and Trump remain friends, and although he isn't a registered Republican, said he would continue to back a Trump bid.

"If I had the opportunity to vote for him in the primaries, I would," he said. "I still think he is the right man to make America great again."


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#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)

Stone is the second Trump adviser to leave in the last 10 days.

Apparenty, Trump now only has his corporate lawyer and his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski. And some campaign spokesbabe, well, unless she's bleeding from somewhere and can't come to the microphone.

A photo of Roger Stone.

Some might recall that in the Nineties, Stone was in a swingers club scandal. When he was younger, he had a physique and dressed and lived like a James Bond jetset type, the whole Playboy lifestyle thing from the Sixties and Seventies.

Politico says two other Trump campaign insiders have confirmed that Stone quit and was not fired first. They also report this conversation between Trump and Stone on Friday morning.
Stone: Donald, stop with the Megyn Kelly sh*t. It's f**king crazy. It's killing us.

Trump: What do you mean? I won the debate. People loved it.

Stone: You didn't win the debate.

Trump: Yes I did. Look at the polling. Look at Drudge.

Stone: The Drudge Report poll isn't a scientific poll. You won't give me the money to pay for a scientific poll. And you're off-message.

Trump: There are other polls.

Stone: Those are bullsh*t polls, Donald. They're not scientific polls. We need to run a professional campaign and talk about what people really care about.

Trump: We're winning.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-08   21:58:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: TooConservative (#0)

"The Donald" is just so gosh-darn wonderful that NOBODY would ever quit working for him!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-08   22:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TooConservative (#0)

According to this source, Stone was unhappy with Trump's conduct on the debate stage in Cleveland, and when Stone shared these thoughts with Trump, the billionaire businessman "didn't want to hear it."

In addition to being an egomaniac, Trump is a control freak. I can't imagine him being president...dictator maybe.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-08   22:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#1)

Trump is right: he is winning. Stone is an old political hack. Nixon. NIXON, for God's sake.

Trump needs to stick with his instincts and carry himself forward. He had the only substantive policy proposal of the debate: health insurance common market.

He needs to keep doing that: keep punching the people who need to get punched, and keep giving a policy view or two. He's forcing the GOP to decide whether or not they want to actually win the election.

So far, it looks like they care more about retaining control of their party internally than winning.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-09   1:23:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

Now that Stone is off Team Trump, we have a total nobody with a poor record as his campaign manager. (Corey Lewandowski)

His other primary surrogate is Michael Cohen, his main corporate lawyer and VP at the Trump Organization.

After the debate, Trump said Kelly “behaved very nasty to me.”

It only devolved from there.

In the early morning hours on Friday, his Twitter account tweeted that Kelly was “not very good or professional”and retweeted anti-Kelly tweets from supporters, including one calling her a “bimbo.”

Trump’s deputy and surrogate, Michael Cohen, retweeted a tweet from a Trump fan (@hawaiiluvstrump) after the debate that included the hashtag “boycottmegynkelly” and the message “we can gut her.”

Trump: "bimbo". Lawyer: "we can gut her".

This is, BTW, the same "lawyer" who is on record as saying recently that a man (Trump) cannot rape his own wife. Beyond his obvious incompetence as a lawyer in such a statement, when he gets called out for lying or for the kind of crap he tweets around, Cohen always resorts to saying that he's just a Trump employee, not part of the campaign.

I guess if Megyn Kelly is "bleeding from somewhere" that it's okay to "gut her" as well. Oh, but Cohen is just a Trump employee, nothing more.

Trump has some lovely associates.

For all of Trump's bluster, I think Forbes is correct when they insist that Trump is worth no more than $5 billion and that his liquid assets (cash on hand) is in the range of $300M. Which is not enough to win the nomination, let alone the general election.

I think you probably know most of this already and simply like the idea of a GOP defeat a lot more than you actually want Trump to be prez.

But what if Trump does run third-party and his Blue state audience only hurts Hitlery and the Dims? It is not an impossible outcome at all. It might even be the likely outcome. Trump's biggest fanbois are working class people in the liberal eastern seaboard states.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   7:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)

More of the "very best" campaign staff that Trump has recruited.

A Donald Trump official leading his political campaign in Iowa has said his attacks on Fox News host Megyn Kelly are 'fair game'.

Tana Goertz, his campaign co-chair in the battleground state, said that she was not offended by Trump's suggestion that Kelly asked him tough questions because there was 'blood coming out of her wherever'.

Goertz instead said the abuse is part of political debate, saying: 'If you mess with the bull you're going to get the horns, sweetheart'.

Very classy, totally first class.

Trump seems to be running for prez as Il Duce II, an American Mussolini. A crude man with crude associates and staff.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   9:14:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: TooConservative (#6)

Are you on your period today? That would explain your nonsense.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   9:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Fred Mertz (#3)

So who's gonna be the moderator for the next GOP debate.... Jerry Springer?

Willie Green  posted on  2015-08-09   9:56:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: A K A Stone (#7)

Are you on your period today? That would explain your nonsense.

You get so angry when I post info about Trump's statements, history and his so-called campaign staff.

At some point, you'll have to ask yourself why you are supporting a clown that forces you to defend so much amateurism and being an obnoxious blowhard.

Don't you deserve a better candidate than Trump?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   10:07:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: TooConservative (#9)

Don't you deserve a better candidate than Trump?

Trump would do just fine. Cruz would too. Except Cruz isn't as good on the ec economy. He supported the trade deal.

I prefer Trump to Hillary every day of the week. You on the other hand would sit out and let Hillary win because she is basically Bush in drag.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   10:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)

Trump would do just fine. Cruz would too. Except Cruz isn't as good on the ec economy. He supported the trade deal.

Trump supported the big bank bailouts. Trump supported the Kelo decision.

You can't say the same for Cruz.

I don't see why exactly you think Trump is better than Cruz. Cruz has had some problems of his own with running his mouth a little too much but he is a much more credible candidate than Trump.

Trump does draw more support from Cruz than from any other GOP candidate, a perfect illustration of how supporting Trump now leads to a Bush victory after Florida in the same way that all the frontrunners-of-the-week in 2012 did nothing to stop Romney from the nomination, they just delayed his nomination and made Romney weaker in the general election, giving Obama an easy victory.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   10:25:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: TooConservative (#6)

Snake venom causes a person to bleed from their eyes and nose. To say that a person is bleeding from their eyes and nose is to imply they're full of venom.

An appropriate phrase given the circumstances. Trump merely forgot the second part. It's ridiculous that people are making such a big deal about it.

I think if he meant to imply she was hormonal he would have come straight out and said, "Man, she must be on the rag".

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   10:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#9)

At some point, you'll have to ask yourself why you are supporting a clown that forces you to defend so much amateurism and being an obnoxious blowhard.

What's obnoxious is...a amateurish, blowhard of a divisive, destructive President who believes he is King...and the Dem Party AND Republican Party acting as if he IS King. After careful consideration, the giant CLOWN CAR ACT that has actually been the Republican Party....has been FIRED.

You are familiar with the definition of "insanity", right?

How can you possibly STILL believe this process, TC? The parties have colluded in protecting obvious oligarchical monopoly of power. The GOP doesn't care about policies that affect their constituencies. And you can't see that? The USA isn't even a nation anymore, it's a Corporation. It's CEO is...The President.

We've see it over and over again -- corporate heads and media get summoned to the White Hut to discuss....exactly how to best SCREW us while making the Prez and DC politics look...well, sane. Trump provides an alternative to...the Same Old Sh*t. Donald Trump threatens this entire SCAM.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-09   10:25:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: TooConservative (#11)

I don't see why exactly you think Trump is better than Cruz.

Cruz is better on some things and Trump is better on some things. They are both better better then everyone else running.

Cruz supports NSA to much. He supported the Iraq war didn't he?

Trump didn't. You didn't either did you?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   10:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: misterwhite (#12)

Megan Kelly that fag pretend marriage supporter did behave like some type of Viki Viking berserker.

I notice that Wallace is pretty much getting a pass for his behavior. He was ap appalling too. The evil smirk on his face when he asked Trump questions.

Screw that asshole too.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   10:30:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: TooConservative (#11)

frontrunners-of-the-week

Yes there were frontrunners for a week. A week not two months.

This is more like Bush in 1999 when he was the frontrunner the whole time.

That is a more proper analogy. Since Trump has been front runner longer then anyone in 2012 except Romney.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   10:33:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: TooConservative (#11)

"You can't say the same for Cruz."

Cruz would be a good choice ... if he was eligible to be President. Alas, he's foreign born.

"Trump supported the big bank bailouts. Trump supported the Kelo decision."

You mean he voted for them? Oh, wait. He wasn't a Congressman at the time, he was a businessman.

Your shocking revelation is that a businessman supported those decisions? Gasp! How could he?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   10:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: misterwhite (#12)

Snake venom causes a person to bleed from their eyes and nose. To say that a person is bleeding from their eyes and nose is to imply they're full of venom.

An appropriate phrase given the circumstances. Trump merely forgot the second part. It's ridiculous that people are making such a big deal about it.

Can you actually cite a single instance of a hostile interviewer being described as "bleeding from the nose"? "Bleeding from the eyes" is pretty uncommon as a phrase. But bleeding from ass or vagina both have quite a few various phrases to describe them. And Trump was talking about a woman that was being hostile to him.

Connect the dots. Stop making such silly excuses for your anti-hero. At least, don't expect sane people to take you seriously.

I think if he meant to imply she was hormonal he would have come straight out and said, "Man, she must be on the rag".

He caught himself before he went that far. Any kid over the age of ten knows what he was saying about her.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   10:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: TooConservative (#18)

Can you actually cite a single instance of a hostile interviewer being described as "bleeding from the nose"? "Bleeding from the eyes" is pretty uncommon as a phrase. But bleeding from ass or vagina both have quite a few various phrases to describe them. And Trump was talking about a woman that was being hostile to him.

I didn't realize women bled from their eyes when they were on their periods.

Thanks for the scientific advancement.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   10:40:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: TooConservative (#18)

But bleeding from ass or vagina

So maybe Trump was saying Bush was giving it to her up the ass?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   10:41:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#16)

Yes there were frontrunners for a week. A week not two months.

Just my phrase. Cain lasted for over a month. Gingrich about the same. And Santorum as the rear guard pick of anyone-but-Romney voters.

But in the end, Romney overcame them all easily.

The longer you guys diddle yourselves with Trump's latest crude and indefensible remarks, the more easy it will be for Bush to consolidate his fundraising and deep party elite support to seize the nomination.

If you intend to stop Bush, you need a real and credible candidate now. Or you'll waste your time on Trump who will be forced out of the race (or run third party) and Bush will be the nominee, leading to the Bush/Xlinton match we all dread.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   10:42:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: TooConservative (#21)

Trump's latest crude and indefensible remarks

I am getting a clearer picture of you. A metrosexual beta.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   10:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: A K A Stone (#20)

So maybe Trump was saying Bush was giving it to her up the ass?

How about she was all butt-hurt from her humiliations by Trump? Maybe Teh Donald was the one who left her bleeding from the ass.

I think that the correct surmise of Trump's insult was "she was on the rag toward me". That is what he meant but didn't have the guts to just finish saying in public.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   10:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#22)

I am getting a clearer picture of you. A metrosexual beta.

I'm scoring hits and you know it. That's why you have to resort to crude insults, hoping to silence me.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   10:45:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: A K A Stone (#15)

Screw that asshole too.

Trump's not doing any Fox appearances today. Ha!

With friends like them ...

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   10:48:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: TooConservative (#24)

I'm scoring hits and you know it. That's why you have to resort to crude insults, hoping to silence me.

You're just an amusing typical GOPe type.

If I wanted to silence you. I'd just push a button.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   10:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: TooConservative (#21)

"But in the end, Romney overcame them all easily."

I believe 4 of the first 5 Republican primary states ended up voting for Obama. So what kind of Republican candidate did you think we'd get?

The kind where 8 million Republican voters stayed home on election night.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   10:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: misterwhite (#25)

Trump's not doing any Fox appearances today. Ha!

If he is still number one at the next Fox debate. He should skip it and nobody will watch it.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   10:55:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: TooConservative (#23)

I think that the correct surmise of Trump's insult was "she was on the rag toward me". That is what he meant but didn't have the guts to just finish saying in public.

So what? Megyn beggd him on into a meaningless discussion; moreover, she did not do so with any other candidate despite the topic. Let us put it plainly for all to know: Megyn Kelly was unfair and unbalanced; Trump picked upped on it quickly, too.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-09   10:57:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: misterwhite (#27)

I believe 4 of the first 5 Republican primary states ended up voting for Obama. So what kind of Republican candidate did you think we'd get?

I think two (IA, NV) are caucus states. NH (open primary) and SC (closed primary) had primaries. And FL moved its election up illegally and awarded its delegates illegally (by RNC rules).

The early states are annoying in how the primaries are run. They're all pretty corrupt.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   10:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone, TooConservative (#26)

If I wanted to silence you. I'd just push a button.

Oh My Gawd!

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-09   10:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: buckeroo (#29)

So what? Megyn beggd him on into a meaningless discussion;

If Trump was the GOP nominee, libmedia and the Dems and Hitlery would go crazy with their War On Womyn meme.

If Donald Drumpf cannot handle a few factual questions in his first debate, he isn't ready for primetime. And he never was.

And there's no room for improvement because Trump is too cheap to hire real campaign talent and too arrogant to take their advice.

If Trump only has $300M in liquid assets (Forbes, other sources), he won't be able to self-fund a full campaign. What has surprised me is that he is trying to run for prez spending nothing. Even Perot could cough up $50 million or so.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: A K A Stone (#26)

If I wanted to silence you. I'd just push a button.

You probably will. Never slowed me down at TOS or LP.

Maybe you want LF to become an all-Trump-all-the-time forum.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:03:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: TooConservative (#30)

And FL moved its election up illegally

No it didn't. States can have their primaries any time they want to. The RNC doesn't dictate what is illegal.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   11:05:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: misterwhite (#25)

Trump's not doing any Fox appearances today. Ha!

He has apparently cowed the morning crew at FNC. Recall his regular Monday appearances on FNC's morning show for years.

The hard news FNC people are rallying around Kelly, as are all the other GOP candidates. Even Cruz.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:05:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: TooConservative (#18)

"Can you actually cite a single instance of a hostile interviewer being described as "bleeding from the nose"?

Why is that necessary?

"And Trump was talking about a woman that was being hostile to him."

Unless you're a sexist, so what? Do you think she wants to be treated like a serious reporter or as a woman? She can't step into the political arena, and when things get uncomfortable hide behind her gender.

"But bleeding from ass or vagina both have quite a few various phrases to describe them."

But none of those phrases start with "Bleeding from the eyes and ...". YOU connect the dots. Trump wasn't going in that direction. Unlike your dirty mind.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   11:06:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: TooConservative (#33)

If I wanted to silence you. I'd just push a button.

You probably will. Never slowed me down at TOS or LP.

Except for the fact that you are one of many individuals I have never deleted your p your posts. Banned you. Or gave you a timeout. Unlike say buckaroo.

Don't intend to either. You carry yourself well. You are civil. That is your pers personality. They are good traits. I couldn't see myself ever banning you, cons considering they way you act.

I may rip you a lot lately. But I don't dislike you. Ok maybe sometimes you ir irritate me. More lately. But that is ok.

Have a good day. I'm going to go swim in the Gulf of Mexico.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   11:09:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TooConservative (#32)

Trump is begging the American People for a little help as his tin can is open for a few bucks now. See the little "donate" button on his web page --> https://www.donaldjtrump.com/?

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-09   11:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeroo (#38)

He brags so much about his wealth and success that I can't see very many of the little people donating to his campaign.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-09   11:11:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#34)

No it didn't. States can have their primaries any time they want to. The RNC doesn't dictate what is illegal.

While it is kind of a muddy process, Florida is assigned a date that it cannot set earlier for its primary. This is to prevent the usual first states (IA/NH/NV/SC) from continuing to move their primary/caucus events earlier and earlier. Otherwise, people in those states would be voting in December or October as other states keep trying to jump the line.

Florida also broke the rule by announcing the results in delegates as winner-take-all. All the state parties agreed to the RNC formula that only some of the early states get to run winner-take-all contests and that Florida must use proportional representation. These are matters to which all the state parties agree as part of the debates, primaries and convention system.

In both 2008 and 2012, Florida was penalized half of its delegates. As it turned out, they did seat them anyway. Priebus and the RNC are determined that it will not happen again in 2016. No date-jumping, no winner-take-all for Florida.

Every state does hold its caucus/primary independently. But they follow RNC rules if they want their delegates fully accredited to the convention which is the only place they can cast their vote for the party's nominee. Legally, Florida lost half of their delegates in the last two elections. Had Santorum or another challenger like Gingrich gotten close enough to winning the nomination, they would have had half of Florida's delegates thrown out of the convention.

To do anything else with Florida, the first big state, would be to allow Florida total control over who the GOP nominates for prez.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#37)

Have a good day. I'm going to go swim in the Gulf of Mexico.

Sounds sweet. I'm a little jealous.

This weekend, I recorded Jaws (a very funny movie) and Sharknado I, Sharknado II, and Sharknado III.

So watch out for sharks. Especially sharks flying around in tornadoes biting people.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:14:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: buckeroo (#38)

See the little "donate" button on his web page --> https://www.donaldjtrump.com/?

Whaaaaaaat?

What about his promise to self-fund himself entirely?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:16:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: TooConservative (#35)

"The hard news FNC people are rallying around Kelly ..."

Trump calling Rosie O'Donnell "fat" nine years ago (in response to her calling him a snake-oil salesman) is hard-hitting news all right.

Go get 'im Kelly! You go girl! Show America Fox can hate Republicans just as much as the other networks!

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   11:17:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: misterwhite (#36)

But none of those phrases start with "Bleeding from the eyes and ...". YOU connect the dots. Trump wasn't going in that direction. Unlike your dirty mind.

The only connection I know of with bleeding from the nose concerns cocaine users from the Eighties and Nineties.

You know perfectly well what Drumpf meant. Stop pretending otherwise by contorting yourself to pretend you don't.

You're not that stupid and neither am I.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: TooConservative (#42)

"What about his promise to self-fund himself entirely?"

I'm not concerned that your $5 donation is going to influence him.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   11:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: TooConservative (#42)

What about his promise to self-fund himself entirely?

Oh c'mon ... he as just joking about that comment; just like his comment for his choice of running mate.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-09   11:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: misterwhite, TooConservative (#45)

I'm not concerned that your $5 donation is going to influence him.

Admittedly, I have donated to trump many tymes in the past by placing a dollar in a slot. I actually won a few bucks, too.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-09   11:23:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: A K A Stone (#14)

Cruz supports NSA to much. He supported the Iraq war didn't he?

Trump didn't. You didn't either did you?

Cruz isn't bad on NSA. He's closer to Rand than to the rest of the cowardly Senate.

Cruz was solicitor-general in the Bush administration, ably defending his cases.

On Iraq, Cruz was likely supportive but of no consequence.

Between 1999 and 2003, Cruz was the director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission, an associate deputy attorney general at the United States Department of Justice, and domestic policy advisor to U.S. President George W. Bush on the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign. He served as Solicitor General of Texas from 2003 to May 2008, after being appointed by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott.[6] He was the first Hispanic,[4][7] the youngest[4][8] and the longest-serving solicitor general in Texas history.[9] Cruz was also an adjunct professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law in Austin, from 2004 to 2009.

I fell for Bush's lies and supported the invasion until after we took the Iraqi nuclear facility (al-Tuwaitha) and the other supposed WMD sites and found nothing illegal and everything as the inspectors told us it was. I did not vote for Bush in 2004 based on the warmongering and the huge expansion in federal spending and scope.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: TooConservative (#44)

"You know perfectly well what Drumpf meant. Stop pretending otherwise by contorting yourself to pretend you don't."

Like you, I never heard the phrase before. Maybe it's used frequently in his business circles -- like "Open the kimono".

(You would probably conclude that means Trump likes to expose himself to Japanese children.)

But after I looked into it, it made perfect sense. What doesn't make sense is your assertion that Trump was going to say "Bleeding from her eyes and her vagina".

THAT makes sense to you? THAT phrase you've heard before in interviews?

Come on. Talk about contortions.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   11:33:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: A K A Stone (#37)

"I'm going to go swim in the Gulf of Mexico."

My son lives in Naples. You near there?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   11:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeroo (#46)

Oh c'mon ... he as just joking about that comment; just like his comment for his choice of running mate.

Okay. So he's totally serious about these things until he tells us he's joking.

How do we tell the difference?

What parts of his policy agenda (assuming he has one) are for real?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:37:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: TooConservative (#51)

Well said.

Trump is a phreak of nature and can not run the nation. He has consistently demonstrated nothing more than a BIG MOUTH.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-09   11:40:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: TooConservative (#18) (Edited)

Can you actually cite a single instance of a hostile interviewer being described as "bleeding from the nose"? "Bleeding from the eyes" is pretty uncommon as a phrase.

Who cares what he said or meant. He didn't break an FCC rule... just Megan's feelings. Maybe the sheep need a thicker skin and we'd be less concerned with political correctness and more concerned with fixing our economy.

If Megan Kelly feels he was talking about her Vag, then maybe she haas guilty complex about asking questions like a cunt.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-09   11:41:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#28)

"If he is still number one at the next Fox debate. He should skip it and nobody will watch it."

Yeah. He should say that he's going to do an MSNBC debate where he can get some fair and balanced questions.

(And if MSNBC was smart, they'd do it.)

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   11:41:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: buckeroo (#46)

I was just reviewing his statement Thursday night: "I can totally make that pledge, if I am the nominee, I will not run as an independent."

Well, do tell! What a shocker.

I assume he's actually being serious. Which makes it even funnier.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:42:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: GrandIsland (#53)

"then maybe she haas guilty complex about asking questions like a cunt."

Ooooh! I like that.

Although you committed a slight breach of etiquette by skipping the triple-dare-you and going right for the throat!

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   11:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: TooConservative (#55)

"I can totally make that pledge, if I am the nominee, I will not run as an independent."

I'm surprised you're not saying you don't believe him.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   11:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: buckeroo (#47)

Admittedly, I have donated to trump many tymes in the past by placing a dollar in a slot. I actually won a few bucks, too.

You shouldn't admit that. You'll soon be accused of stealing from America's future. You bastard!

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:48:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: misterwhite (#56)

Although you committed a slight breach of etiquette by skipping the triple-dare-you and going right for the throat!

I like to speak plain English... I don't soften anything to enable the weak. They must toughen up to conform to my protected speech.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-09   11:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: misterwhite (#57)

I'm surprised you're not saying you don't believe him.

It's so stupid as a statement of the obvious, I do believe him.

What person would win a major party nomination and then just chuck it to run indy? No one.

Now Trump is saying that he is using the threat as "leverage".

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   11:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: TooConservative (#48)

"I fell for Bush's lies and supported the invasion"

The Iraq invasion took place a mere 18 months after 9-11. Given the mood of the country, had Bush not invaded this hostile Arab country building weapons of mass destruction he would have been impeached.

Show of hands. Who wants to wait for another 9-11?

You can't sit at your computer in the year 2015, knowing what you know now, and judge everyone's decisions back then.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   11:57:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: TooConservative (#60)

"Now Trump is saying that he is using the threat as "leverage".

Yeah. That was a mistake.

I mean, that's his intent all right. He just shouldn't have said it out loud.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   12:03:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: misterwhite (#61) (Edited)

The Iraq invasion took place a mere 18 months after 9-11. Given the mood of the country, had Bush not invaded this hostile Arab country building weapons of mass destruction he would have been impeached.

By a Republican House?

You could at least pretend to be serious.

You can't sit at your computer in the year 2015, knowing what you know now, and judge everyone's decisions back then.

There is a big difference between what a prez or the NSC or the intel agencies or Pentagon knows and what an ordinary citizen knows.

We pursued the regime change agenda that was formalized in the late Nineties against Saddam. Nothing more. The ruling classes had plentiful information that Saddam was in no way connected to the 9/11 attacks. Saddam was used as a whipping boy to hide the extent of Wahhabist ideology exported across the region in the 9/11 attack. And that threat has not subsided (though a fair amount of the jihadism has been diverted into the new Caliphate under ISIS).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   12:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#58)

You shouldn't admit that. You'll soon be accused of stealing from America's future. You bastard!

Somehow, Stone will find my earlier comment and push that "button" thingy.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-09   12:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Vicomte13, TooConservative (#4)

On Meet the Press today the pundits were like freaked this blood libel thing with the hottie did did not derail him. I am seeing panic.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-09   12:05:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: TooConservative (#63)

"By a Republican House?"

F**k the House. By the people.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   12:06:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: misterwhite (#66)

F**k the House. By the people.

Only the House can impeach (indict), only the Senate can convict.

If you're too stupid to know this, you're too stupid to debate the issue at all.

There, you should feel good now. Calling people stupid is the only way to make friends. I could be LF's mini-Trump, in charge of telling people they're stupid, they're on the rag, they should be on their knees, etc.

Vote for me as LF's new mini-Trump!

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   12:08:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Pericles (#65)

On Meet the Press today the pundits were like freaked this blood libel thing with the hottie did did not derail him. I am seeing panic.

I think they don't know what to think.

They recognize a lot of popular rage, even among Dems. Look at how Bernie Sanders is being dogged by the #onlyblacklivesmatter crowd (assuming they're not Xlinton astroturfers). If they aren't working for Xlinton, they're a threat to her public appearances too.

So there is a lot of anger out there. The elite media can cluck and disapprove and, mostly, wait for the tantrum to pass. You know, like that 1994 tantrum that was Peter Jennings' explanation for the 1994 takeover of the House.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   12:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: buckeroo, A K A Stone (#64)

A K A Stone is dancing around the house to this ditty:

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   12:13:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: GrandIsland (#53)

If Megan Kelly feels he was talking about her Vag, then maybe she haas guilty complex about asking questions like a cunt.

Maybe you should tweet your insights directly to Megyn or post it on her Facebook page (I know you're a member).

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   12:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: TooConservative (#67)

"Only the House can impeach (indict)"

I'm saying the people would have forced the House, despite party allegiance.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   12:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: misterwhite (#69)

To be fair, I don't believe he has ever performed that sort of action on the Sabbath day. Nope, he comes back from Sunday School all ready to preach damnation again to fire us up 'bout HELL & subsequent DAMNATION, if we don't get into his logick.

He reserves his "button thingy" for the business calandar days for us long standing heathens.

buckeroo  posted on  2015-08-09   12:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: misterwhite (#71)

I'm saying the people would have forced the House, despite party allegiance.

And the result of that when the GOP grassroots got the House (Lady Lindsey prosecuting, along with Kasich in support)?

The Senate let him off the hook.

Very unlikely either party will ever impeach its own president in the House. That was the threat over Nixon that forced his resignation, that sizable numbers of House Republicans would have voted to impeach. But the Dems had the majority at the time and were ready to proceed (Hitlery being one of the staff lawyers).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   12:22:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: TooConservative (#70)

I've already posted my thoughts on the Fox News page.

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

GrandIsland  posted on  2015-08-09   12:26:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: TooConservative (#73)

I wouldn't be surprised to read, years from now, that Bush was given an ultimatum by Congress -- invade somebody or you will be thrown out of office for inaction. The people want blood and they will get it.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   12:38:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: TooConservative (#68)

Like I said my own support of Trump surprises me. he literally is horrible at it but I fucking like the guy.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-09   12:51:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: GrandIsland (#74)

I've already posted my thoughts on the Fox News page.

No doubt, they have a lot of angry Trump supporters posting there.

As far as intimidating Ailes (the "decider"), we can judge by how much angry reaction there was to FNC's obvious pro-Giuliani bias in the 2008 race, so much so that Giuliani occupied a strong frontrunner position in 2008, comparable to Trump's numbers now. And Giuliani, like Trump, is a New Yorker. And that means pretty liberal on a wide range of issues. Because they are NYCers, it's their worldview. As a longtime watcher, you know this is true.

The bizarre thing to me is that Giuliani was considered by the base as too liberal and McStain was able to consolidate his NH win (with a lot of Dem votes in their open primary) and build on that to overcome Giuliani in Florida.

Trump but not Giuliani? Are you kidding me? It's insane. Even Pataki looks not so dismal compared to Trump. I'm talking about their basic character as a person, not just policy (well, if Trump has any policy other than some calculated pandering to the Right who are pretending to ignore his long liberal record as a typical Manhattan tycoon).

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   12:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: misterwhite (#75)

I wouldn't be surprised to read, years from now, that Bush was given an ultimatum by Congress -- invade somebody or you will be thrown out of office for inaction. The people want blood and they will get it.

I doubt it.

If you recall the early Bush years and the domestic politics, Bush let Teddy The Swimmer write his hallmark bill, No Child Left Behind. Then played hardball, especially in the House, to force Republicans to support it. Recall how they held the vote open for hours on the floor of the House while they openly twisted arms to pass the Pill Bill, threatening to primary conservatives and/or take their chairmanships and more.

So, no, I don't think the tail was wagging the dog, with Congress forcing Bush into war.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   13:08:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Pericles (#76)

Like I said my own support of Trump surprises me. he literally is horrible at it but I fucking like the guy.

Obviously The Donald appeals to your better angels, to paraphrase Lincoln's old quote.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   13:10:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: TooConservative (#79)

Obviously The Donald appeals to your better angels, to paraphrase Lincoln's old quote.

LOL

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-09   13:21:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: TooConservative, GrandIsland (#77)

he bizarre thing to me is that Giuliani was considered by the base as too liberal and McStain was able to consolidate his NH win (with a lot of Dem votes in their open primary) and build on that to overcome Giuliani in Florida.

Trump but not Giuliani? Are you kidding me? It's insane.

Trump is a businessman who is willing to fight for the base rather than Giuliani who was a govt employee and talked down to the base.

There is a difference. Trump is saying he sucks as a politician but he built a net worth in the billions.

Trump is running on his competency as a mega business man. He can build stuff.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-09   13:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Pericles (#76)

Like I said my own support of Trump surprises me. he literally is horrible at it but I fucking like the guy.

I think Trump's appeal to 'every man' right now is that he gets to say things to media folks, other candidates and speak bluntly about issues - which often reflect our own feelings and perceptions. Even if he is a socialite and elitist.

That's what I think. Personally, I don't care for him as a presidential candidate. But I sure as heck am enjoying the clown show called the election process because of him.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-09   13:29:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Pericles (#80)

LOL

I'll indulge your guilty pleasure for a while. At least you know better.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   13:30:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Pericles (#81)

Trump is a businessman who is willing to fight for the base rather than Giuliani who was a govt employee and talked down to the base.

There is a difference. Trump is saying he sucks as a politician but he built a net worth in the billions.

Maybe he can just declare the country bankrupt. He's had some practice.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   13:33:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: TooConservative (#83)

Oh, thank you for allowing me to indulge myself, oh great one!

I actually am not a Republican any longer and my state does not allow cross over votes from independents so I am a bemused spectator at the moment.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-09   13:33:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Pericles (#85)

I actually am not a Republican any longer and my state does not allow cross over votes from independents so I am a bemused spectator at the moment.

Good. I don't like open primaries or last-minute registration switches.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   13:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: TooConservative (#84)

"Maybe he can just declare the country bankrupt. He's had some practice."

Okay, Chris Wallace.

"Out of hundreds of deals that I've done — hundreds! — on four occasions, I've taken advantage of the laws of this country like other people," Trump said."

Four bankruptcies out of hundreds of investments? Well, forget it. If he can't be perfect, I'm not voting for him.

Who should I vote for, Too Conservative? Who has a 100% record of decision- making?

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-09   14:12:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: misterwhite (#87)

Who should I vote for, Too Conservative? Who has a 100% record of decision- making?

How about a candidate who isn't well-known for going bankrupt?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   14:17:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: TooConservative (#88)

I finally looked into his bankruptcies and found this from two days ago:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/what-trump-didnt-say-about-his-four-big-business-bankruptcies/2015/08/07/bc054e64-3d12-11e5-9c2d-ed991d848c48_story.html

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-09   14:25:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Fred Mertz (#89)

I finally looked into his bankruptcies and found this from two days ago:

People are going to think differently as more about these bankruptcies surfaces. Just like his refusal to pledge not to run third-party even as he bids for the GOP nomination.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   14:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: TooConservative, misterwhite (#88)

How about a candidate who isn't well-known for going bankrupt?

As Trump said, he never went bankrupt. He protected his assets by incorporating different companies for different ventures. A company declaring bankruptcy only affects the assets of that company. The poor banksters lost money.

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-09   19:03:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: TooConservative (#90)

Just like his refusal to pledge not to run third-party even as he bids for the GOP nomination.

You can be such a moron. Do you think Bush would support Trump if he gets the nomi nomination?

Do you think Graham would?

No one gives a shit if he doesn't support the Republican nominee if he is a piece of shit like Bush etc. I didn't say she because that cunt Fiorina or however you spell her name has zero chance. She is a stupid person. No charisma. No ideas. She shouldn't even be on the stage. Not even the kiddie debate.

In fact if he said he would he would lose votes.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   19:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: TooConservative (#21)

f you intend to stop Bush,

If Bush is the nominee, Biden will stop him.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-09   19:27:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Vicomte13 (#93)

Biden will stop him.

Biden is a piece of shit that favors abortion.

BIDEN: The next president will get one or two Supreme Court nominees. That's how cl close Roe v. Wade is. Just ask yourself: With Robert Bork being the chief ad adviser on the court for Mr. Romney, who do you think he's likely to appoint? Do yo you think he's likely to appoint someone far right, that would outlaw abortion? I I suspect that would happen. I guarantee you that will not happen [with Obama]. We We picked people who are open-minded. They've been good justices.

www.ontheissues.org/2016/Joe_Biden_Abortion.htm

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   19:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: All, pinguinite, tooconservative (#94)

BIDEN: The next president will get one or two Supreme Court nominees. That's how cl close Roe v. Wade is

Notice the "cl close". I noticed some of my posts today were kind of like that that. Having the first two letters of a word followed by the actual word. I thou thought I made a typo.

This was a cut and paste. It added the cl.

I've been trying out this edge browser. I kind of like it but I think it has some kind of but in it. I don't recall that happening when I use firefox or ch chrome.

Weird

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   19:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: pinguinite, tooconservative (#95)

I thou thought I

There it is again.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   19:41:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: A K A Stone (#92) (Edited)

You can be such a moron. Do you think Bush would support Trump if he gets the nomi nomination?

It isn't refusing to support the nominee or to endorse the nominee. It's the threat to run third party.

Even Ron Paul never threatened to run third party if he wasn't the nominee. They grumbled when he didn't endorse Stain or Romney but that's all. They were peeved when he threw his own post-campaign Ron Paul convention in another arena across town from the GOP convention while they were coronating the loathsome Stain. Real peeved. LOL.

But RP never so much as threatened to run third party, let alone set himself up to do it. And RP had offers for a dual-nomination for the CP and LP nomination. He certainly could have done it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   21:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: A K A Stone (#95)

Notice the "cl close". I noticed some of my posts today were kind of like that that. Having the first two letters of a word followed by the actual word. I thou thought I made a typo.

Is it trying to guess the word you're typing? You sometimes get that on Apple devices (and Android) when they are trying to anticipate your words to autocomplete the typing for you.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   21:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: TooConservative (#97)

But RP never so much as threatened to run third party

Ron Paul never could have run third party successfully.

Trump can. There is nothing immoral about exhausting every avenue possible.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   21:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: TooConservative (#98)

I don't think that is it. It adds the letters after I type them.

Even in a cut and paste it added letters. I'm proofreading this and there are no errors of that type. I'll see how it posts.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   21:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: A K A Stone (#99)

In seven months this will be over after Super Tuesday. Then we'll be handed whatever candidates are left standing on the ballot in the General Election nine months after that.

Did you donate to Trump yet?

Believe it or not, I used to donate a few bucks to various candidates of my liking and thinking it made a difference. Boy was I dumb.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-09   21:40:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Fred Mertz (#101)

Did you donate to Trump yet?

I've never donated to anyone.

I did pass out Ross Perot literature though.

Met with some grass roots people.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   21:42:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: A K A Stone (#94)

Biden is a piece of shit that favors abortion.

Biden favors abortion. And so does the GOP Establishment.

If abortion is the issue - then the field of candidates is winnowed.

If consistency on abortion over time is the issue, then even I myself am eliminated as a pro-lifer.

I do not look to see where people stood their entire lives. People can change their minds. I look to see the quality of the thinking on the matter today.

For me, abortion is not the only issue pertaining to the same matter. The CORE of the matter is the sanctity of life. And that means that I don't like war-mongers. I don't like people who boast about the death penalty. (Mind you, the death penalty COULD BE just, but the way they do it in Texas, for example, does not safeguard well enough against executing the innocent. To execute the innocent is murder). And I look at euthanasia issues.

Jeb Bush is unacceptable to me because of what he did in the Terri Schiavo case. I've heard all of the jawboning back and forth, but I formed my own opinion on the matter based on firm principles regarding the sanctity of life. And I am unwilling to give anybody supreme power who does not believe as I do on the matter of life.

My view on Biden, and Democrats in general, is that they are better on economics in general. Their view of social welfare is Christian. Republican economic beliefs are aggressively idolatrous about money and quite evil. So, if it were not for the matter of the sanctity of life, I would favor Democrats.

Unfortunately, Democrats are babykillers, and they do not believe in the sanctity of life. Republican war mongers and death-penalty enthusiasts don't believe in the sanctity of life either, but there are Republicans who are not war mongers, who are cautious about wars.

I cannot overlook that. And therefore I cannot vote for a Joe Biden. I don't do the "worst of two evils" approach in voting. Voting is not in itself so important as it is to not affirmatively choose evil.

In recent years, this has left me without a party. Democrats are babykillers, and Republicans are idolators who all too often are also warmongers.

Trump used to be pro-choice, but he seems to have changed his mind. His stance regarding a health insurance common market and more effective redistributive taxation at the top are right. His style makes him amusing.

Assuming he will be rejected by the Republicans, that leaves a field that is so lackluster I don't believe any of them will win against the Democrats.

Which means that a Democrat will be President. When that happens, I think that Biden is a much better person to have the job than Hillary. I still won't vote for him: he's a babykiller, but I would prefer to see him get the office.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-09   21:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Fred Mertz (#101)

Believe it or not, I used to donate a few bucks to various candidates of my liking and thinking it made a difference. Boy was I dumb.

Did you donate to Reagan? If you did you made a difference.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   21:44:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Fred Mertz (#101)

Believe it or not, I used to donate a few bucks to various candidates of my liking and thinking it made a difference. Boy was I dumb.

The only difference it made is that now people can look at the public records and see who you politically supported. And we have not yet enacted laws to make it illegal to fire people based on their political affiliation.

If we are going to have involuntary disclosure of private political contributions, then we need to make it illegal for employers to fire people based on their politics, as a First Amendment matter.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-09   21:45:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Vicomte13 (#103)

Their view of social welfare is Christian.

It is anti Christian. Everything about the democrats is anti christian.

The fruit of your labor is yours.

The Bible teaches a tithe of 10 percent. Not a tax of 50 plus percent for some people.

You're surely wrong on this one. No doubt.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   21:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: A K A Stone (#104)

Did you donate to Reagan? If you did you made a difference.

I think so, but it is so long ago I can't be certain. I think I have one of those Ronald Reagan signed pictures - mass reproduced for donors - somewhere in one of those basement boxes. It could have been for donating to the RNC. Like I said, boy was I dumb.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-09   21:56:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: A K A Stone (#106)

It is anti Christian. Everything about the democrats is anti christian.

The fruit of your labor is yours.

The Bible teaches a tithe of 10 percent. Not a tax of 50 plus percent for some people.

You're surely wrong on this one. No doubt.

Social welfare is mandated by God throughout Scripture. It was always the state and the King's responsibility and it still is.

Republican beliefs about money are idolatrous, and they abandon God's commandment of social welfare to serve their idol.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-09   22:09:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#108)

Don't want to jump in but will add a couple of mites:)

The 10% tithe should be seen within the context of the Jubilees every 7 years.

I am not one to advocate a Mosaic theocracy to run the US. But we learn a lot from the OT and NT on how God expects His ekklesia to treat one another and non-believers in need.

I will add there is strong evidence that we are all to work for a living and provide for ourselves and our families. No free rides in the Bible for those who are able of body and mind to work.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-09   22:25:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Vicomte13 (#108)

Social welfare is mandated by God throughout Scripture.

As individuals we are supposed to help those in need.

But when the government taxes you so much. You can't always do that.

Why should someone who is struggling to make ends meet for their own family. Have to support someone who is able to provide for themselves. Because that is what the democrats are for. They are thieves.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   22:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Vicomte13 (#108)

Republican beliefs about money are idolatrous

What beliefs that Republicans have are idolatrous?

What scripture are you referring to to make your "point"?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   22:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#103)

My view on Biden, and Democrats in general, is that they are better on economics in general. Their view of social welfare is Christian.

I disagree. In both the OT and NT working to support self and family is a bedrock principle. Biden and the Dems support welfare for able bodied people who can work. Welfare in the US is abused and corrupt. There are millions of Americans on welfare while we have immigrants flowing in to take jobs the Americans won't do.

In OT Israel people who could not support their families sold themselves to servitude for six years to pay off debt and gain some income. Basically they worked to get food and clothing for their family. They did not sit in homes refusing to work and collecting income.

That's the brutal truth of the situation. There are Americans who need assistance who cannot physically or mentally work. That is the focus of the Jewish and Christian charity. Not someone who bought a $500K home and could only afford a $100k home, then foreclosed and is destitute. As with the prodigal son, such should return home to family for restitution.

So the Bible does not support able bodied people from not working and receive income from others.

It is rather easy for the government to sort out who is in need. But they won't do so because the able of body vote.

2 Thessalonians 3:

6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13 And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15 Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-09   22:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: A K A Stone (#106)

The Bible teaches a tithe of 10 percent.

For Jews. Not Christians. Tithing was the law under the Old Covenant that passed away with the crucifixion of Jesus.

Here is a typical treatment of the subject of tithing in scripture. Only two mentions in the New Testament, neither indicates that tithing was required of the early Christian churches.

Grace Ministries: Is Tithing Required in the New Covenant?

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-09   22:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: TooConservative (#113)

For Jews. Not Christians. Tithing was the law under the Old Covenant that passed away with the crucifixion of Jesus.

Maybe maybe not. I'm not sure.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   23:18:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: redleghunter, vicmonte13 (#112)

6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8 nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

11 We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. 12 Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. 13 And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. 15 Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.

Unrefutable. Checkmate.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   23:19:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: redleghunter (#109)

I will add there is strong evidence that we are all to work for a living and provide for ourselves and our families. No free rides in the Bible for those who are able of body and mind to work.

Of course not. But our capitalist system, dominated by the Republican and Democrat Party, have sent our jobs to China and Indonesia, to India and Korea and Japan.

There are millions upon millions of Americans who WANT TO WORK, but cannot find work that will sustain themselves and their families, because nobody will hire them.

Nobody will hire them BECAUSE "free" traders have used the political system to find the cheapest labor price - and imported the labor that can't be outsourced - in order to maximize the profits to a handful of capitalists.

In 1976, 50% of the nation's wealth was in the hands of the top 20%. Today, 85% is in the hands of the top 10%. Idolators say that by saying this I am looking to "steal". No. THOSE PEOPLE STOLE to concentrate that wealth. They did not get it through "work". They got it through buying politicians who passed laws that systematically stripped Americans of jobs because we are "too expensive", and shipping the jobs overseas, or opening the border and transporting in millions of illegals.

That is what happened, and everybody KNOWS that is what happened if they think about it. If somebody tells you that that's not what happened, he is a liar, and liars are damned by God. See Revelation.

So, we have a system in which the rulers - the very rich and their bribed politicians, hold the American people underwater and drown them economically, so they CANNOT GET WORK IF THEY WANT IT, and the work they can get cannot provide for their families.

And then you get these dogs, these filthy idolators, who blame the victims, blame the poor struggling people who have been drowned by corruption and laws that throw millions out of work.

People have the right to the fruits of their LABOR, after paying taxes to God, but nobody as the right to the fruits of INTEREST ON MONEY, because that is a sin, and nobody has the right to the fruits of theft, which is what it is when men with money corrupt politicians to favor policies that crush out American industry and replace the workers here with foreigners here and there, solely because the foreigners are unprotected and work for peanuts.

All of that wealth accumulation IS NOT THE FRUIT OF LABOR. The people at the top got it through the sin of usury, and the sin of theft.

It is entirely right, just and godly to force restitution of theft, and to deprive thieves and usurers and idolators of the fruits of their illegal and immoral profits.

But even then, you don't here me calling "Off with their heads!" No. I simply demand that, if we're going to allow these crony capitalists to make money by charging usury and crushing out jobs, that the social safety network then must be created, by taxing away their wealth, to pay for the food, housing, medicine and education of all of those people that the usurers and corrupt thieves have driven out of work and home.

It's as simple as that. Either you crush out usury, which is a sin, and you crush out the money corruption that causes a few to seek profit at the expense of the ABILITY of Americans to work - you impose rules that prevent those things OR, if you will not do that, then you impose fines, in the form of taxes, on those top one percenters who, through their usury and corruption, have beggared their brothers, sisters and neighbors.

The super-rich in America did not get there through honest hard work. They got their through usury and political corruption. Their massive concentration of wealth sucks the oxygen out of the room, puts people out of work so that millions upon millions CANNOT PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES. THERE ARE NO JOBS, and this is the PRODUCT of the policies that the super-rich have imposed, and NOT because people are "lazy" or "stupid". The people have been ROBBED by theft and usury - corruption that has been imposed by the wealth through the law.

That is what happened. That is the truth. And it is sin, it is siding with evil, to refuse to face the truth.

"Well, all that's true, but it's still wrong to redistribute that stolen wealth to make a safety net for the people who were robbed." That is the Republican argument. It is evil. It is wrong. It is from Satan. It is not Christian, and the people who persist in it, in spite of the truth, are agents of hell, not Christians at all.

I am simply tired of hearing it.

We have to have a social safety net because our government is corrupt and lets the wealthy set rules in a way that literally has crushed out millions of jobs and redistributed 35% of the national wealth to a handful of people in the space of 30 years. That is not "hard work". That is theft, borne of deceit, in the service of money. It's idolatry, it is sin. And social welfare is the only answer to address the hideous want that this has plunged millions of people into.

There is no other way. And these "Christians" are not even PROPOSING another way. They blame the victims of theft and usury. They lie, calling them "lazy" and other names. Their mouths spew lies. They are agents of hell, and they need to be faced and cast out from the community of the faithful, because what they preach is idolatry of money and power. Evil, wicked men, not men of God.

Perhaps they are deluded, but delusion only goes so far. God eventually reached down and opened Saul's eyes, yes, but until he did, Saul was an evil follower of Satan, and he deserved death. Only by repentance did he become a child of God, and even then, because of his thoroughly evil past and his despicable past acts, many never accepted him - and God never criticized them in Scripture for not accepting him. Instead, God saw too it that he was sent to preach to people whom he had NOT harmed, and God left him wounded, with a thorn in his flesh, his whole life. And God made him go through the terror of a bloody execution, just as he himself had done to Christians. Paul was redeemed, but his redemption did not cancel out his past acts, and he still paid for his bloody, foul murders by being himself hauled out and bloodily murdered.

Paul repented of his evil.

But these "Christians" who hate poor people and who worship at the altar of money, of usury, of theft, they don't even repent. They don't even think they are wrong.

And they hector the good. I am not a "socialist". I speak the words that God said. The "Christians" who don't like that are not Christians at all. They just think they are.

That's the way it is.

It is a terrible thing that we have to fight so, but we do. Millions of people need a social safety net because they have been robbed by the government through its laws. They will perish without that safety net or suffer terribly. They CANNOT just "go get jobs" because the centerpiece of the robbery was putting them out of work for cheap pagan foreign labor. "Christians" denying Christians the ability to provide for themselves pursuing the savings found by employing pagans who are little better than slaves in their own country.

It is inexcusable, and Christians - the real kind - need to man up now and stop making excuses for it. And stop blaming the victims. To blame the victims here is a lie, a demonstrable lie. And lies are damned.

The King was required to provide social welfare. We had a revolution. WE are the King now. It falls upon us, then, to provide for our brothers, sisters, neighbors. We cannot shirk it. And we cannot lie and pretend that redistributive taxation, which is at the top taking the fruits of USURY and CORRUPTION and redistributing them back to the very people who were robbed - we cannot pretend that this is "theft", because it manifestly IS NOT.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-09   23:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: Vicomte13 (#116)

There are millions upon millions of Americans who WANT TO WORK, but cannot find work that will sustain themselves and their families, because nobody will hire them.

Come on that is a load of crap. You can work at McDonalds and live better then most people throughtout history.

Also more to the point. Nobody owes anyone a job. Create your own job.

You can make money if you try.

The people in Jesus's day didn't have it as easy as people today and they were expected to provide for themselves.

Also Jesus's words are timeless. God knew what the world would be like in the future. He still said if you are idle and don't work you don't eat.

I'm not talking about the disabled or crippled. They should be taken care of by the free will giving of good people.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   23:47:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: Vicomte13 (#116)

The super-rich in America did not get there through honest hard work. They got their through usury and political corruption.

Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Donald Trump?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-09   23:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#116)

I'm not blaming the victim. You make good points about the export of jobs, yet jobs still exist. I know of two friends who work well below their skill sets for less money than they made a few years back. They could live off of welfare but don't. Because there are jobs out there to keep hands busy and support families.

Most choose the path of least resistance and that is condemned in the Bible too.

When we sift the wheat from chaff in the USA, truly needy families pale in comparison to poverty stricken parts of the world. Most Americans know that and focus their charity outside the USA. Why? Because they know the federal government will support people in this country who can work and won't.

If you are correct and there are no jobs to employ those of able body, then why not bring back the works programs which FDR put in place? If you get your support from the federal government then do some work for that support. For example you are an out of work electrician, do that until a job opens in a postal office or city hall? Meets the requirement to work for your own bread.

A smaller example is the Gospel Mission home my friend runs. They house former drug addicts, convicts and homeless trying to change their lot in life. The mission home works to find them jobs but until that happens they work on projects in the mission home. From administrative work, to carpentry, computer networking, janitorial work and in some cases work to get medical licences reinstated. They eat from the table of the church and if they choose attend services.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-10   0:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Fred Mertz, A K A Stone, sneakypete, redleghunter (#107)

I think I have one of those Ronald Reagan signed pictures - mass reproduced for donors - somewhere in one of those basement boxes.

I still have mine of Dean Martin when he ran for President!! :o

“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...

CZ82  posted on  2015-08-10   7:29:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: TooConservative (#6)

Trump seems to be running for prez as Il Duce II, an American Mussolini.

A very apt observation. He even has the same self-satisfied smirk on his face as Il Duce.

Maybe somebody will photo shop Trumps face on the famous photo of Il Duce with that smirk on his face in uniform with the hat,and title it "El Douche"?

If I had photo shop it would already be done.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: misterwhite (#12)

Snake venom causes a person to bleed from their eyes and nose. To say that a person is bleeding from their eyes and nose is to imply they're full of venom.

Desperation is never pretty.

Or do you think like-long NYC denizen and trust fund child Trump has experience with snake bites?

Maybe one of his bodyguards or servants was bitten by a snake?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: misterwhite (#17)

"Trump supported the big bank bailouts. Trump supported the Kelo decision."

You mean he voted for them? Oh, wait. He wasn't a Congressman at the time, he was a businessman.

That's just pathetic. Do you blow him,also?

Or maybe you don't understand the definition of "supported"?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:07:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: buckeroo (#29)

Megyn Kelly was unfair and unbalanced; Trump picked upped on it quickly, too.

You are speaking about the carney freak with the orange hair and her in the same sentence,and SHE is the one that is unbalanced?????

Un-freaking believable!

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone (#33)

Maybe you want LF to become an all-Trump-all-the-time forum.

Kinda reminds you of Jim Rob and Bush-Bot Republic,doesn't it?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: misterwhite (#36)

Trump wasn't going in that direction. Unlike your dirty mind

Ahhh,you must be a Muslim. They think menstrual periods are dirty,also.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:21:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Fred Mertz (#39)

He brags so much about his wealth and success that I can't see very many of the little people donating to his campaign.

I can't wait for some reporter to ask him about this during a tv interview,and watch him having a hissy fit over it.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: TooConservative (#42)

What about his promise to self-fund himself entirely?

Well,once you give him your money,it becomes HIS money.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: misterwhite (#43)

Show America Fox can hate Republicans just as much as the other networks!

Trump is a life-long Dim,and only became a Republican because he can now run for president without pissing off any of his Dim friends in NYC.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:26:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: buckeroo, TooConservative (#52)

Trump is a phreak of nature and can not run the nation. He has consistently demonstrated nothing more than a BIG MOUTH.

Just think,if "The Donald" is elected,North Koreans will be making fun of OUR leader,and have standing to do so.

Who else could make Kim Jong-un look sane and moderate by comparison?

Hell,Trump makes him look to be modest by comparison.

He even already has his own personal Cult of Personality. I wonder if we will be required to refer to him as "Illustrious Leader" if he is elected?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: GrandIsland (#59)

I'm the infidel... Allah warned you about. كافر المسلح

Just out of curiosity,what with you being a macho man that hates Islam and thinks they are afraid of you,now that you are retired from the cops,why aren't you wearing a Army uniform and serving in the Muddle East?

Go over there and show them who's the boss!

You're not one of those "All hat,no horse" cowboys,are you?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when itÂ’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:36:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: misterwhite, *Military or Vets Affairs* (#61)

Show of hands. Who wants to wait for another 9-11?

EVERYBODY that supported and still supports Boy Jorge's invasion to save the Sauds?

Do I win anything for having the correct answer?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:39:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: TooConservative (#63)

We pursued the regime change agenda that was formalized in the late Nineties against Saddam. Nothing more. The ruling classes had plentiful information that Saddam was in no way connected to the 9/11 attacks. Saddam was used as a whipping boy to hide the extent of Wahhabist ideology exported across the region in the 9/11 attack. And that threat has not subsided

Absolutely! My writing essentially the same thing during the build up to "Protect Saudi Arabia by invading Iraq" was what finally got me booted for life from FR. The Bush Bots were all getting the vapors,including Jim Rob.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: TooConservative (#68)

If they aren't working for Xlinton, they're a threat to her public appearances too.

Not really. The SS and her other bodyguards won't let those cretins get within shouting range of her,and JJ,Sharpie,and all the other Poverty Pimps will give her public cover because they want to keep those government checks rolling in.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:44:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Pericles (#76)

he literally is horrible at it but I fucking like the guy

You may not realize it,but you highlighted WHY you like him with the 1st 4 words in the sentence above.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: misterwhite (#87)

"Out of hundreds of deals that I've done — hundreds! — on four occasions, I've taken advantage of the laws of this country like other people," Trump said."

Hey! If you can't trust a compulsive liar and raging ego-maniac like Trump to tell the truth about himself,who can you trust,right?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   8:50:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: sneakypete (#121)

Maybe somebody will photo shop Trumps face on the famous photo of Il Duce with that smirk on his face in uniform with the hat,and title it "El Douche"?

Brilliant. A side-by-side, Il Duce 1924 and El Douche 2015 as the captions?

Maybe a WWE spoof of Donald "The Donald" Trump vs. Vlad "the Mad Russian" Putin? You could even go shirtless since that's Vlad thing anyway.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   8:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: sneakypete (#130)

He even already has his own personal Cult of Personality. I wonder if we will be required to refer to him as "Illustrious Leader" if he is elected?

Maybe "Beloved Leader". Or "El Supremo".

You really do start to wonder what people think they will get by following this Pied Piper. How do they not see that this has to be a put-up job. The Xlintons (or the Bushes) are probably behind it.

The people who say the last thing they want is another Bush as nominee are virtually guaranteeing it will happen.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   9:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: TooConservative (#137)

Brilliant. A side-by-side, Il Duce 1924 and El Douche 2015 as the captions?

That was my thought.

Maybe a WWE spoof of Donald "The Donald" Trump vs. Vlad "the Mad Russian" Putin? You could even go shirtless since that's Vlad thing anyway.

I love it! Especially if there were a video that showed Trumps bodyguards getting in the ring to fight Putin's bodyguards,because we all know "The Donald" will never personally fight anyone physically,and Putin would kick his ass in a micro-second.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   9:06:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: sneakypete (#129)

Trump is a life-long Dim,and only became a Republican because he can now run for president without pissing off any of his Dim friends in NYC.

He was a Nixon-era Republican. Certainly one of the old northeast liberal Republican crowd.

He started flirting with a third-party run as a Reform candidate or an indy candidate back in the Nineties. Then he became a Dim during the Bush years but says he voted for the Stain in '08 and then changed to GOP registration (again) in 2009. At least that's my recollection. Someone (TMZ?) did a piece on his history and published all his voter registration documents in New York going back decades to back it up.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   9:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: TooConservative (#138)

You really do start to wonder what people think they will get by following this Pied Piper. How do they not see that this has to be a put-up job. The Xlintons (or the Bushes) are probably behind it.

I think most of them are just so disgusted by "politics as usual" and the usual worthless suspects running for office they would support practically anyone they see as an outsider.

Which is where they are making their mistake. Trump is anything but a outsider. He has been a player behind the scenes in Dim politics since birth,thanks to his grandfather and father. He might as well be a Roosevelt or a Kennedy.

I suspect the common thought is "That's going to happen anyhow,so no harm caused by supporting that creep". Sadly,they are probably right on that one.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   9:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: sneakypete (#139)

I've been surprised by the utter fascination with Trump's hair. Even Romney's silky coif never got so much attention. Trump's hair is an object of extreme public fascination. It's so mysterious apparently. And there are an endless variety of opinions about it, much like Trump himself.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   9:16:44 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: TooConservative (#142)

I've been surprised by the utter fascination with Trump's hair.

I don't think it is a case of fascination as much as it is a visual shorthand adjective used to describe him so that people who don't follow politics or the media very closely will immediately know who you are talking about.

You say "dyed orange possum hair",and everybody,even school children know who you are talking about.

Like when you say "Lady Lindsey" everybody knows it's Graham, "Fat boy" they know you are talking about Christie,or "nasty evil old fat bitch",everybody knows you are talking about Bubbette!.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   9:22:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: sneakypete (#143)

Google Images has an entire section of Donald Trump hair pictures. They are further broken down into Trump hair subcategories with a Tutorial category (how to do a four-way Donald Trump comb-over/comb-under) and so on.

TIME:

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   9:39:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: sneakypete, Fred Mertz, buckeroo (#143)

You may recall in 2011 when Trump was big on WWE. You may have thought I was kidding about Trump and professional wrestling.

Trump shaved off Vince McMahon's hair after The Donald physically attacked and punched him in the head.

Very classy stuff. Presidential material. Way too principled to play cheap tricks on the public like a P.T. Barnum.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   9:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: sneakypete (#128) (Edited)

Well,once you give him your money,it becomes HIS money.

You're so right.

If quizzed by the media about taking donations after saying he wouldn't, Donald will just explain he had a lot of devoted people getting angry because he wouldn't take their donations so, in order to placate this overwhelming demand by the public, he has reluctantly agreed to accept their money after all as a true Man of the People. And it has been a humbling experience for Donald to realize just how deeply the American public loves him.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   9:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: sneakypete (#143)

I don't think it is a case of fascination as much as it is a visual shorthand adjective used to describe him so that people who don't follow politics or the media very closely will immediately know who you are talking about.

You say "dyed orange possum hair",and everybody,even school children know who you are talking about.

Like when you say "Lady Lindsey" everybody knows it's Graham, "Fat boy" they know you are talking about Christie,or "nasty evil old fat bitch",everybody knows you are talking about Bubbette!.

Kind of like when I say fag lover everyone knows it is you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-10   10:04:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: sneakypete (#129)

Trump is a life-long Dim,and only became a Republican because he can now run for president without pissing off any of his Dim friends in NYC.

You're a liar. Take the day off.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-10   10:06:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: misterwhite, TooConservative, nolu chan (#36)

"But bleeding from ass or vagina both have quite a few various phrases to describe them."

But none of those phrases start with "Bleeding from the eyes and ...". YOU connect the dots. Trump wasn't going in that direction. Unlike your dirty mind.

Firstly, nope, none of those phrases start with "bleeding from the eyes and..."

The desperation of those who want Trump OUT of the GOP, OUT of the political arena, and OUT of the whistle-blowing business is irrational, illogical, and only serves...the Mind-Reading Gestapo. To presume Trump was referring to menstrual bleeding took a GIANT leap of faith from the wishful thinking, and the most cynical, dirty minds. This BS is now waaaay out of hand, the cred of those who added 1 + 1 = 3 is getting shredded.

But there's an important war to be won against the "terror" waged *by* "Teabaggers," Conservatives, and Whistle-Blowers like Donald Trump. And also, "The War On Women" -- it's at least a two-fer.

This meme and incident prove that the GOPe will stop at NOTHING to to leap into bed with the sociopaths at FOX News and ANY media willing to demonize the aforementioned "terrorists."

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-10   10:07:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: sneakypete (#123)

That's just pathetic. Do you blow him,also?

Inappropriate comment.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-10   10:10:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: TooConservative (#137)

"Brilliant. A side-by-side, Il Duce 1924 and El Douche 2015 as the captions?"

Nobody, I mean nobody, does Il Duce better than Il Douche.

misterwhite  posted on  2015-08-10   10:12:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: sneakypete (#129)

We've talked about this before. Don't lie about stuff that you have already been debunked on. I don't care for liars.

www.thesmokinggun.com/doc...ump-a-republican-for-now- 908431g Quit lying about what you have been shown to be a lie. Then I wont do this to you.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-10   10:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: misterwhite (#151)

Nobody, I mean nobody, does Il Duce better than Il Douche.

Yeah, it's too obvious. Of course it's already been done to death. In 37 languages probably.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   10:18:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: sneakypete (#152)

I'm in a good mood today. So just quit making stuff up you know isn't true. Please. So I changed my mind already as I really don't like giving you a time out.

Just be honest in your rhetoric.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-10   10:26:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: TooConservative (#140)

He started flirting with a third-party run as a Reform candidate or an indy candidate back in the Nineties. Then he became a Dim during the Bush years but says he voted for the Stain in '08 and then changed to GOP registration (again) in 2009. At least that's my recollection. Someone (TMZ?) did a piece on his history and published all his voter registration documents in New York going back decades to back it up.

I'd bet all that switching back and forth as the wind direction changes changed nothing about his viewpoints,political or personal.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   12:30:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: TooConservative (#145)

Very classy stuff. Presidential material. Way too principled to play cheap tricks on the public like a P.T. Barnum.

True dat.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   12:32:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: A K A Stone (#147)

Kind of like when I say fag lover everyone knows it is you.

No,because they all understand and hear the envy in your voice.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   12:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: A K A Stone (#148)

You're a liar. Take the day off.

I hate to tell you this,but Santa ain't real,either.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   12:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: misterwhite (#151)

Nobody, I mean nobody, does Il Duce better than Il Douche.

True,you almost want to see a DNA test made,don't you?

Still,emotionally,politically, and intellectually, Trump is a better match.

Mussolini was a pretty bright guy that wasn't afraid to work. Nobody but black supremacists has ever said Obomber shared those traits.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   12:38:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: A K A Stone (#152)

We've talked about this before. Don't lie about stuff that you have already been debunked on. I don't care for liars.

No,you don't care for people that make fun of your crush on The Donald.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   12:39:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: A K A Stone (#154)

Just be honest in your rhetoric.

Ok,I am going to ask the same of you. Two simple questions.

1: Do you REALLY believe that Trump puts what is best for America ahead of what is best for Trump?

2: Do you REALLY think a control freak like Trump that is obsessed with his personal weatlh is going to be willing to put his entire financial world in the hands of a blind trust for the 4 to 8 years he would be in office>?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   12:43:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: sneakypete (#161)

1: Do you REALLY believe that Trump puts what is best for America ahead of what is best for Trump?

They are one and the same because The Donald is America!

C'mon, ask a hard question.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   13:01:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: sneakypete (#161)

Ok,I am going to ask the same of you. Two simple questions.

1: Do you REALLY believe that Trump puts what is best for America ahead of what is best for Trump?

2: Do you REALLY think a control freak like Trump that is obsessed with his personal weatlh is going to be willing to put his entire financial world in the hands of a blind trust for the 4 to 8 years he would be in office>?

1. Yes. They aren't necessarily different. If business is good for him it is good for us all.

2.There is no law requiring him to put his company in a blind trust.

I'd expect he would let his kids run it. You know Donald Jr and Eric and I forget his daughters name.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-10   13:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: A K A Stone (#163)

I'd expect he would let his kids run it. You know Donald Jr and Eric and I forget his daughters name.

I think her name is Donaldina.

Or am I just making that up? I can't recall.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-10   13:26:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: A K A Stone (#163) (Edited)

2.There is no law requiring him to put his company in a blind trust.

I think there is. Seems like I read about all the other presidents doing that.

I'd expect he would let his kids run it.

Not a chance. He might let them dip their toes in the water with decisions after consulting him,but now way in hell is he giving up control.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   14:45:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: A K A Stone, sneakypete, hondo68, buckeroo, TooConservative (#163)

2.There is no law requiring him to put his company in a blind trust.

I think this needs further discussion for information purposes. I don't know the laws, rules or protocols. I think finances and business ties should not create a conflict of interest if a candidate is elected.

Somehow Cheney distanced himself from Halliburton when he became Veep, then started a war that benefited them greatly. JEB! did something recently by stepping down from some chairman of the board positions so he could run. Like I said, I'm interested in what is proper because I'm not sure.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-10   14:46:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: TooConservative, A K A Stone, Vicomte13, tomder55 (#164)

I'd expect he would let his kids run it. You know Donald Jr and Eric and I forget his daughters name. I think her name is Donaldina.

Or am I just making that up? I can't recall.

It appears the heir apparent for Trump's fortunes will be his daughter. I heard somewhere she is well educated and a 'shark' like her father on business deals, but with a whole lot more judgement and brains:) A lot more hair too. I would say she takes after her mom a bit more than The Donald:

Ivanka Marie Trump

Trump attended The Chapin School in New York until age 15,[1] then transferred to and graduated from Choate Rosemary Hall in Wallingford, Connecticut.[2] She spent two years at Georgetown University, then transferred to the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, graduating cum laude in 2004 with a B.S. in Economics.

Of course the shameless choice of photo above is so that TC will even consider reading this post:)

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-10   14:59:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: Fred Mertz (#166)

Like I said, I'm interested in what is proper because I'm not sure.

If it's not the law,it should be,and there should be severe penalties for violating it.

Not that any US President will ever face any consequences for anything he has ever done. The Ruling Parties just won't allow it to happen.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   15:02:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: redleghunter (#167)

Of course the shameless choice of photo above is so that TC will even consider reading this post:)

Seems to me that she has a lot to smile about.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   15:06:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: TooConservative (#145)

You may recall in 2011 when Trump was big on WWE. You may have thought I was kidding about Trump and professional wrestling.

Trump shaved off Vince McMahon's hair after The Donald physically attacked and punched him in the head.

I don't keep up with WWE, but this primary election cycle reminds me of professional wrestling - they've got me glued to the headlines to see who will survive the long campaign. While it likely is already decided by the men behind the curtain.

That WWE Wrestle Mania event looked like it had a packed crowd too.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-10   15:21:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: sneakypete (#165)

2.There is no law requiring him to put his company in a blind trust. I think there is. Seems like I read about all the other presidents doing that.

I think they do that because they are afraid of the media saying they have a conflict of interest. Wusses.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-10   19:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: sneakypete (#165)

Not a chance. He might let them dip their toes in the water with decisions after consulting him,but now way in hell is he giving up control.

And you know that because?

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-10   19:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: sneakypete (#168)

If it's not the law,it should be,and there should be severe penalties for violating it.

Talk about a control freaks.

I don't know if it is the law I'm just going with my gut.

I'm pretty sure I'm correct though.

A K A Stone  posted on  2015-08-10   19:35:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: A K A Stone (#172)

Not a chance. He might let them dip their toes in the water with decisions after consulting him,but now way in hell is he giving up control.

And you know that because?

Because he is a control freak that thinks he is the smartest man in the universe.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-10   20:55:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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