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Title: Trump campaign claims it fired top adviser -- who says he quit
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URL Source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/polit ... ld-trump-campaign-roger-stone/
Published: Aug 8, 2015
Author: MJ Lee and Dana Bash
Post Date: 2015-08-08 20:21:33 by Tooconservative
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Views: 17764
Comments: 174
Stone's disassociation from the Trump operation Saturday highlights the campaign's seeming lack of veteran political advisers, even as the 2016 season is ramping up in earnest. And the dispute opens a window into two different factions of the campaign: one side that wants to maintain Trump's high visibility by capitalizing on his public feuds and bombastic rhetoric, and another that wants to pull the candidate toward more disciplined political strategy. The episode caps a tumultuous few weeks for Trump's presidential campaign, which recently cut ties with two men accused of writing inflammatory Facebook posts. Trump, who is currently leading national polls, delivered an explosive performance at the first GOP debate in Cleveland Thursday, and went on to make inflammatory comments about Fox News host Megyn Kelly in an interview on CNN Friday night. "Mr. Trump fired Roger Stone last night. We have a tremendously successful campaign and Roger wanted to use the campaign for his own personal publicity. He has had a number of articles about him recently and Mr. Trump wants to keep the focus of the campaign on how to Make America Great Again," a campaign spokesperson told CNN. Stone, however, told CNN that he "categorically denies" being fired, and provided what he said was his resignation letter. "Unfortunately, the current controversies involving personalities and provocative media fights have reached such a high volume that it has distracted attention from your platform and overwhelmed your core message. With this current direction of the candidacy, I no longer can remain involved in your campaign," the letter to Trump says. Stone added: "I care about you as a friend and wish you well. Be assured I will continue to be vocal and active in the national debate to ensure our nation does not again turn to the failed and distrusted Bush/Clinton families." Trump's campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, said the team never saw Stone's letter. For his part, Stone tweeted Saturday afternoon that he "fired Trump." The Washington Post first reported that Stone was no longer a part of Trump's campaign. Matt Mackowiak, a Republican political consultant and close friend of Stone's, told CNN that Stone was deeply disappointed with Trump's debate performance Thursday. Stone, a former aide to President Richard Nixon who has known Trump for several decades, helped with the candidate's debate preparations. He had hoped that Trump would stay focused and disciplined, sticking largely to issues like illegal immigration and trade. Instead, Stone concluded that Trump had taken the debate to a "circus-like place." The working relationship between Stone and Trump became further strained when Trump made controversial comments about Kelly in an interview with CNN's Don Lemon. "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes," Trump told Lemon. "Blood coming out of her wherever." "Calling into CNN and making outrageous comments about Megyn Kelly and making it even more of a circus than it already is, Roger just felt like he couldn't stand by him," Mackowiak said. Mackowiak also said Stone had planned to announce his resignation Saturday night, and when Trump got word, the candidate announced he had fired Stone. One Trump associate and friend also told CNN that existing tensions between Stone and Trump reached a breaking point following the candidate's explosive debate performance. "He has been disenchanted with Trump for a few weeks now," the associate said, citing Stone's perception that Trump's candidacy lacked "seriousness." According to this source, Stone was unhappy with Trump's conduct on the debate stage in Cleveland, and when Stone shared these thoughts with Trump, the billionaire businessman "didn't want to hear it." Another Republican source close to Stone said the adviser resigned in part because he grew frustrated with the campaign's refusal to focus on policy specifics and conduct polling. "Roger has been trying to press the campaign to get specific on issues, to poll, to run an actual campaign, while others in Trumpland have been egging him on to continue to engage in these political food fights like the Megyn Kelly incident," the Republican source said. Speaking with CNN's Poppy Harlow late Saturday afternoon, Stone again insisted he quit, saying he felt he "was having no impact." He said he hoped Trump would return to speaking about the "big picture" issues, such as trade and immigration, that helped fuel his rise to the top of GOP polls. But Stone refused to elaborate in greater detail about how his relationship with the campaign ruptured, saying he had "no intention about talking about internal campaign deliberations." He did say, however, that he and Trump remain friends, and although he isn't a registered Republican, said he would continue to back a Trump bid. "If I had the opportunity to vote for him in the primaries, I would," he said. "I still think he is the right man to make America great again." Poster Comment: Roger Stone is Trump's longtime political adviser and ally, going back decades. (CNN)Donald Trump's campaign said Saturday it has fired top political adviser Roger Stone -- who promptly denied being let go and insisted he had quit. "Sorry @realDonaldTrump didn't fire me- I fired Trump. Diasagree [sic] with diversion to food fight with @megynkelly away core issue messages," the tweet read.
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Stone is the second Trump adviser to leave in the last 10 days. Apparenty, Trump now only has his corporate lawyer and his campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski. And some campaign spokesbabe, well, unless she's bleeding from somewhere and can't come to the microphone. A photo of Roger Stone. Some might recall that in the Nineties, Stone was in a swingers club scandal. When he was younger, he had a physique and dressed and lived like a James Bond jetset type, the whole Playboy lifestyle thing from the Sixties and Seventies. Politico says two other Trump campaign insiders have confirmed that Stone quit and was not fired first. They also report this conversation between Trump and Stone on Friday morning. Trump: What do you mean? I won the debate. People loved it. Stone: You didn't win the debate. Trump: Yes I did. Look at the polling. Look at Drudge. Stone: The Drudge Report poll isn't a scientific poll. You won't give me the money to pay for a scientific poll. And you're off-message. Trump: There are other polls. Stone: Those are bullsh*t polls, Donald. They're not scientific polls. We need to run a professional campaign and talk about what people really care about. Trump: We're winning.
Trump is right: he is winning. Stone is an old political hack. Nixon. NIXON, for God's sake. Trump needs to stick with his instincts and carry himself forward. He had the only substantive policy proposal of the debate: health insurance common market. He needs to keep doing that: keep punching the people who need to get punched, and keep giving a policy view or two. He's forcing the GOP to decide whether or not they want to actually win the election. So far, it looks like they care more about retaining control of their party internally than winning.
More of the "very best" campaign staff that Trump has recruited. Tana Goertz, his campaign co-chair in the battleground state, said that she was not offended by Trump's suggestion that Kelly asked him tough questions because there was 'blood coming out of her wherever'. Goertz instead said the abuse is part of political debate, saying: 'If you mess with the bull you're going to get the horns, sweetheart'. Very classy, totally first class. Trump seems to be running for prez as Il Duce II, an American Mussolini. A crude man with crude associates and staff.
Are you on your period today? That would explain your nonsense.
You get so angry when I post info about Trump's statements, history and his so-called campaign staff. At some point, you'll have to ask yourself why you are supporting a clown that forces you to defend so much amateurism and being an obnoxious blowhard. Don't you deserve a better candidate than Trump?
Trump would do just fine. Cruz would too. Except Cruz isn't as good on the ec economy. He supported the trade deal. I prefer Trump to Hillary every day of the week. You on the other hand would sit out and let Hillary win because she is basically Bush in drag.
Trump supported the big bank bailouts. Trump supported the Kelo decision. You can't say the same for Cruz. I don't see why exactly you think Trump is better than Cruz. Cruz has had some problems of his own with running his mouth a little too much but he is a much more credible candidate than Trump. Trump does draw more support from Cruz than from any other GOP candidate, a perfect illustration of how supporting Trump now leads to a Bush victory after Florida in the same way that all the frontrunners-of-the-week in 2012 did nothing to stop Romney from the nomination, they just delayed his nomination and made Romney weaker in the general election, giving Obama an easy victory.
Yes there were frontrunners for a week. A week not two months. This is more like Bush in 1999 when he was the frontrunner the whole time. That is a more proper analogy. Since Trump has been front runner longer then anyone in 2012 except Romney.
Just my phrase. Cain lasted for over a month. Gingrich about the same. And Santorum as the rear guard pick of anyone-but-Romney voters. But in the end, Romney overcame them all easily. The longer you guys diddle yourselves with Trump's latest crude and indefensible remarks, the more easy it will be for Bush to consolidate his fundraising and deep party elite support to seize the nomination. If you intend to stop Bush, you need a real and credible candidate now. Or you'll waste your time on Trump who will be forced out of the race (or run third party) and Bush will be the nominee, leading to the Bush/Xlinton match we all dread.
If Bush is the nominee, Biden will stop him.
Biden is a piece of shit that favors abortion. BIDEN: The next president will get one or two Supreme Court nominees. That's how cl close Roe v. Wade is. Just ask yourself: With Robert Bork being the chief ad adviser on the court for Mr. Romney, who do you think he's likely to appoint? Do yo you think he's likely to appoint someone far right, that would outlaw abortion? I I suspect that would happen. I guarantee you that will not happen [with Obama]. We We picked people who are open-minded. They've been good justices.
Biden favors abortion. And so does the GOP Establishment. If abortion is the issue - then the field of candidates is winnowed. If consistency on abortion over time is the issue, then even I myself am eliminated as a pro-lifer. I do not look to see where people stood their entire lives. People can change their minds. I look to see the quality of the thinking on the matter today. For me, abortion is not the only issue pertaining to the same matter. The CORE of the matter is the sanctity of life. And that means that I don't like war-mongers. I don't like people who boast about the death penalty. (Mind you, the death penalty COULD BE just, but the way they do it in Texas, for example, does not safeguard well enough against executing the innocent. To execute the innocent is murder). And I look at euthanasia issues. Jeb Bush is unacceptable to me because of what he did in the Terri Schiavo case. I've heard all of the jawboning back and forth, but I formed my own opinion on the matter based on firm principles regarding the sanctity of life. And I am unwilling to give anybody supreme power who does not believe as I do on the matter of life. My view on Biden, and Democrats in general, is that they are better on economics in general. Their view of social welfare is Christian. Republican economic beliefs are aggressively idolatrous about money and quite evil. So, if it were not for the matter of the sanctity of life, I would favor Democrats. Unfortunately, Democrats are babykillers, and they do not believe in the sanctity of life. Republican war mongers and death-penalty enthusiasts don't believe in the sanctity of life either, but there are Republicans who are not war mongers, who are cautious about wars. I cannot overlook that. And therefore I cannot vote for a Joe Biden. I don't do the "worst of two evils" approach in voting. Voting is not in itself so important as it is to not affirmatively choose evil. In recent years, this has left me without a party. Democrats are babykillers, and Republicans are idolators who all too often are also warmongers. Trump used to be pro-choice, but he seems to have changed his mind. His stance regarding a health insurance common market and more effective redistributive taxation at the top are right. His style makes him amusing. Assuming he will be rejected by the Republicans, that leaves a field that is so lackluster I don't believe any of them will win against the Democrats. Which means that a Democrat will be President. When that happens, I think that Biden is a much better person to have the job than Hillary. I still won't vote for him: he's a babykiller, but I would prefer to see him get the office.
It is anti Christian. Everything about the democrats is anti christian. The fruit of your labor is yours. The Bible teaches a tithe of 10 percent. Not a tax of 50 plus percent for some people. You're surely wrong on this one. No doubt.
The fruit of your labor is yours. The Bible teaches a tithe of 10 percent. Not a tax of 50 plus percent for some people. You're surely wrong on this one. No doubt. Social welfare is mandated by God throughout Scripture. It was always the state and the King's responsibility and it still is. Republican beliefs about money are idolatrous, and they abandon God's commandment of social welfare to serve their idol.
Don't want to jump in but will add a couple of mites:) The 10% tithe should be seen within the context of the Jubilees every 7 years. I am not one to advocate a Mosaic theocracy to run the US. But we learn a lot from the OT and NT on how God expects His ekklesia to treat one another and non-believers in need. I will add there is strong evidence that we are all to work for a living and provide for ourselves and our families. No free rides in the Bible for those who are able of body and mind to work.
Of course not. But our capitalist system, dominated by the Republican and Democrat Party, have sent our jobs to China and Indonesia, to India and Korea and Japan. There are millions upon millions of Americans who WANT TO WORK, but cannot find work that will sustain themselves and their families, because nobody will hire them. Nobody will hire them BECAUSE "free" traders have used the political system to find the cheapest labor price - and imported the labor that can't be outsourced - in order to maximize the profits to a handful of capitalists. In 1976, 50% of the nation's wealth was in the hands of the top 20%. Today, 85% is in the hands of the top 10%. Idolators say that by saying this I am looking to "steal". No. THOSE PEOPLE STOLE to concentrate that wealth. They did not get it through "work". They got it through buying politicians who passed laws that systematically stripped Americans of jobs because we are "too expensive", and shipping the jobs overseas, or opening the border and transporting in millions of illegals. That is what happened, and everybody KNOWS that is what happened if they think about it. If somebody tells you that that's not what happened, he is a liar, and liars are damned by God. See Revelation. So, we have a system in which the rulers - the very rich and their bribed politicians, hold the American people underwater and drown them economically, so they CANNOT GET WORK IF THEY WANT IT, and the work they can get cannot provide for their families. And then you get these dogs, these filthy idolators, who blame the victims, blame the poor struggling people who have been drowned by corruption and laws that throw millions out of work. People have the right to the fruits of their LABOR, after paying taxes to God, but nobody as the right to the fruits of INTEREST ON MONEY, because that is a sin, and nobody has the right to the fruits of theft, which is what it is when men with money corrupt politicians to favor policies that crush out American industry and replace the workers here with foreigners here and there, solely because the foreigners are unprotected and work for peanuts. All of that wealth accumulation IS NOT THE FRUIT OF LABOR. The people at the top got it through the sin of usury, and the sin of theft. It is entirely right, just and godly to force restitution of theft, and to deprive thieves and usurers and idolators of the fruits of their illegal and immoral profits. But even then, you don't here me calling "Off with their heads!" No. I simply demand that, if we're going to allow these crony capitalists to make money by charging usury and crushing out jobs, that the social safety network then must be created, by taxing away their wealth, to pay for the food, housing, medicine and education of all of those people that the usurers and corrupt thieves have driven out of work and home. It's as simple as that. Either you crush out usury, which is a sin, and you crush out the money corruption that causes a few to seek profit at the expense of the ABILITY of Americans to work - you impose rules that prevent those things OR, if you will not do that, then you impose fines, in the form of taxes, on those top one percenters who, through their usury and corruption, have beggared their brothers, sisters and neighbors. The super-rich in America did not get there through honest hard work. They got their through usury and political corruption. Their massive concentration of wealth sucks the oxygen out of the room, puts people out of work so that millions upon millions CANNOT PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES. THERE ARE NO JOBS, and this is the PRODUCT of the policies that the super-rich have imposed, and NOT because people are "lazy" or "stupid". The people have been ROBBED by theft and usury - corruption that has been imposed by the wealth through the law. That is what happened. That is the truth. And it is sin, it is siding with evil, to refuse to face the truth. "Well, all that's true, but it's still wrong to redistribute that stolen wealth to make a safety net for the people who were robbed." That is the Republican argument. It is evil. It is wrong. It is from Satan. It is not Christian, and the people who persist in it, in spite of the truth, are agents of hell, not Christians at all. I am simply tired of hearing it. We have to have a social safety net because our government is corrupt and lets the wealthy set rules in a way that literally has crushed out millions of jobs and redistributed 35% of the national wealth to a handful of people in the space of 30 years. That is not "hard work". That is theft, borne of deceit, in the service of money. It's idolatry, it is sin. And social welfare is the only answer to address the hideous want that this has plunged millions of people into. There is no other way. And these "Christians" are not even PROPOSING another way. They blame the victims of theft and usury. They lie, calling them "lazy" and other names. Their mouths spew lies. They are agents of hell, and they need to be faced and cast out from the community of the faithful, because what they preach is idolatry of money and power. Evil, wicked men, not men of God. Perhaps they are deluded, but delusion only goes so far. God eventually reached down and opened Saul's eyes, yes, but until he did, Saul was an evil follower of Satan, and he deserved death. Only by repentance did he become a child of God, and even then, because of his thoroughly evil past and his despicable past acts, many never accepted him - and God never criticized them in Scripture for not accepting him. Instead, God saw too it that he was sent to preach to people whom he had NOT harmed, and God left him wounded, with a thorn in his flesh, his whole life. And God made him go through the terror of a bloody execution, just as he himself had done to Christians. Paul was redeemed, but his redemption did not cancel out his past acts, and he still paid for his bloody, foul murders by being himself hauled out and bloodily murdered. Paul repented of his evil. But these "Christians" who hate poor people and who worship at the altar of money, of usury, of theft, they don't even repent. They don't even think they are wrong. And they hector the good. I am not a "socialist". I speak the words that God said. The "Christians" who don't like that are not Christians at all. They just think they are. That's the way it is. It is a terrible thing that we have to fight so, but we do. Millions of people need a social safety net because they have been robbed by the government through its laws. They will perish without that safety net or suffer terribly. They CANNOT just "go get jobs" because the centerpiece of the robbery was putting them out of work for cheap pagan foreign labor. "Christians" denying Christians the ability to provide for themselves pursuing the savings found by employing pagans who are little better than slaves in their own country. It is inexcusable, and Christians - the real kind - need to man up now and stop making excuses for it. And stop blaming the victims. To blame the victims here is a lie, a demonstrable lie. And lies are damned. The King was required to provide social welfare. We had a revolution. WE are the King now. It falls upon us, then, to provide for our brothers, sisters, neighbors. We cannot shirk it. And we cannot lie and pretend that redistributive taxation, which is at the top taking the fruits of USURY and CORRUPTION and redistributing them back to the very people who were robbed - we cannot pretend that this is "theft", because it manifestly IS NOT.
I'm not blaming the victim. You make good points about the export of jobs, yet jobs still exist. I know of two friends who work well below their skill sets for less money than they made a few years back. They could live off of welfare but don't. Because there are jobs out there to keep hands busy and support families. Most choose the path of least resistance and that is condemned in the Bible too. When we sift the wheat from chaff in the USA, truly needy families pale in comparison to poverty stricken parts of the world. Most Americans know that and focus their charity outside the USA. Why? Because they know the federal government will support people in this country who can work and won't. If you are correct and there are no jobs to employ those of able body, then why not bring back the works programs which FDR put in place? If you get your support from the federal government then do some work for that support. For example you are an out of work electrician, do that until a job opens in a postal office or city hall? Meets the requirement to work for your own bread. A smaller example is the Gospel Mission home my friend runs. They house former drug addicts, convicts and homeless trying to change their lot in life. The mission home works to find them jobs but until that happens they work on projects in the mission home. From administrative work, to carpentry, computer networking, janitorial work and in some cases work to get medical licences reinstated. They eat from the table of the church and if they choose attend services.
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Stone: Donald, stop with the Megyn Kelly sh*t. It's f**king crazy. It's killing us.
#4. To: TooConservative (#1)
#6. To: Vicomte13 (#4)
A Donald Trump official leading his political campaign in Iowa has said his attacks on Fox News host Megyn Kelly are 'fair game'.
#7. To: TooConservative (#6)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#7)
Are you on your period today? That would explain your nonsense.
#10. To: TooConservative (#9)
Don't you deserve a better candidate than Trump?
#11. To: A K A Stone (#10)
Trump would do just fine. Cruz would too. Except Cruz isn't as good on the ec economy. He supported the trade deal.
#16. To: TooConservative (#11)
frontrunners-of-the-week
#21. To: A K A Stone (#16)
Yes there were frontrunners for a week. A week not two months.
#93. To: TooConservative (#21)
f you intend to stop Bush,
#94. To: Vicomte13 (#93)
Biden will stop him.
#103. To: A K A Stone (#94)
Biden is a piece of shit that favors abortion.
#106. To: Vicomte13 (#103)
Their view of social welfare is Christian.
#108. To: A K A Stone (#106)
It is anti Christian. Everything about the democrats is anti christian.
#109. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#108)
#116. To: redleghunter (#109)
I will add there is strong evidence that we are all to work for a living and provide for ourselves and our families. No free rides in the Bible for those who are able of body and mind to work.
#119. To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#116)
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