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Title: Trump out at #RSG15; Update: Fiorina to Trump: “There. Is. No. Excuse.”
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URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/07/breaking-trump-out-at-rsg15/
Published: Aug 7, 2015
Author: Ed Morrissey
Post Date: 2015-08-08 10:22:08 by Tooconservative
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Earlier this evening, CNN’s Don Lemon interviewed Donald Trump about the debate on Fox News Channel last night, and set off another Trump-related tempest. After noting that Kelly pushed Trump during the debate, and that she “pushed a lot of people” besides Trump, Lemon asked, “What is it with you and Megyn Kelly?” Trump’s reply was, er … colorful, to say the least [emphasis mine]: TRUMP: Well, I just don’t respect her as a journalist, I have no respect for her. I don’t think she’s very good, I think she’s highly overrated. But when I came out there, you know — what am I doing? I’m not getting paid for this. I go out there, and they start saying this stuff [garbled]. But you know, I didn’t know there’d be 24 million people. I knew it was going to be a big crowd because I get crowds, I get ratings. They call me the ratings machine. So I have, you know, she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions, and you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her … wherever. But in my opinion, she was off base. Kelly did ask Trump tough questions in last night’s debate, but she asked tough questions of Marco Rubio on abortion too, and of other candidates on stage as well. As the front-runner, Trump should have expected tough questions, especially given his track record of supporting nearly every progressive idea at one time or another, including Hillary Clinton being President. Kelly also asked Trump about his remarks about women, which appears to have particularly rankled him — and pushed him into validating Kelly’s premise in asking those questions in the first place. After all, it’s not often when a major party candidate takes a shot at a woman by reminding everyone of her menstrual cycle. I’m certain that will really impress women about their place in the Republican Party. Trump was scheduled to speak at the Red State Gathering tomorrow, in the final slot at the event. Not long after these remarks, event organizer Erick Erickson announced that he had withdrawn the invitation: I have rescinded my invitation to Mr.Trump. While I have tried to give him great latitude, his remark about Megyn Kelly was a bridge too far — Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) August 8, 2015 That will undoubtedly anger some Trump supporters, but after last night’s debate performance and his thin-skinned whining afterward, I wonder if that group wasn’t already in decline. This might fire up the die-hard Trump troops, but suggesting that a journalist went after his target-rich record only because she was menstruating should be a disqualifier for most voters. It’s vastly worse than anything Todd Akin said, and will almost certainly have media outlets demanding responses from the other Republican candidates. It’s practically tailor-made for Democrats to hoist up the Republican War On Women banner, especially Hillary Clinton. Get ready for plenty of Team Trump dog-in-the-manger, sour-grapes quotes in the morning, if not overnight. There may be some legitimate anger among a small group of RSG15 attendees tomorrow who wanted to see Trump at this event, but Erick has a solid case for not wanting to have this overshadow the event tomorrow, with more presidential candidates on hand to make their pitches. Erick will almost certainly address this in the morning, and we’ll see what the fallout is over the rest of the day. Update: Carly Fiorina appears to be the first Republican candidate to respond to Trump’s remarks, perhaps fittingly so (via Twitchy): Mr. Trump: There. Is. No. Excuse. — Carly Fiorina (@CarlyFiorina) August 8, 2015 I stand with @megynkelly. — Carly Fiorina (@CarlyFiorina) August 8, 2015 That’s interesting, because Fiorina actually deflected a Trump question at her presser today at RSG15 by asking why the media wasn’t calling out Obama for his offensive comments about opponents of the Iran deal. Not this time, apparently. Update: Erick has an explanation up at RedState: But I also think that while Mr. Trump resonates with a lot of people with his bluntness, including me to a degree, there are just real lines of decency a person running for President should not trust. His comment was inappropriate. It is unfortunate to have to disinvite him. But I just don’t want someone on stage who gets a hostile question from a lady and his first inclination is to imply it was hormonal. It just was wrong. I have invited Megyn Kelly to attend in Donald Trump’s place tomorrow night. Well, that would be interesting. We’ll see if she can swing that.
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#403. To: nolu chan (#396)
Is that sarcasm I detect? I'd say the Bush machine will be ready to spend at least $1.5 billion, maybe $2 billion. I certainly dislike the Bushes as much as anyone. But I was talking about the race strictly in money terms. Quite often, it does come down to who has raised the most money and can hold on the longest (along with support from the elected GOP party leaders). Can Trump outspend the other tycoons alone? Will Carl Icahn, being promised SoT, decide to donate big to a Trump super-PAC? Sometimes the nomination fight does just come down to who has the most money to throw around or to be able to wait for the other guys to run out of money.
Asked why, Cruz paused and then replied, “Donald Trump had a rally in Phoenix, Ariz. [to which] between 10 and 20 thousand people came out. When you attack and vilify the people at that rally as crazies, it does nothing to help Republicans win in 2016. I’d like every single person at that rally to show up and vote in 2016, knock on doors with energy and passion, and turn this country around. If Washington politicians show contempt and condescension to those [voters,] that is a path to losing at the ballot box.” He's talking about McStain, his own longtime enemy. Notice how he deftly ignores Trump's attack on McStain's military record as a POW and deflects that into his own attack on McStain's crass remarks about those "crazies" (his own constituents) that turned out to see Trump in AZ. So I don't see how Cruz is being stupid. Of course, it goes without saying that I am being stupid by definition, since I don't share your man-crush on Trump. Cruz, interestingly, is making the plans and seems to have adequate financing for a 35-state campaign. Cruz wants to go the distance and make it a real challenge, setting the stage for a 2020 run if he can't win in 2016. This kind of campaign also will help Cruz build up Tea candidates for House/Senate as the Chamber does want to go after all the Tea folk in Congress. Including Cruz in 2018. So for Cruz, a good offense is the best defense.
How old are these people?? You might think that with 320 million American citizens, we might have a few more presidential nominees than Jeb!,Hillary! and Trump! wouldn't you?
It shouldn't and it didn't. Being caught does not make one a hero. You are full of crap on this one. Anyone that purposely exposes themselves to enemy fire over and over qualifies as a hero. Have much 12.7mm,20mm,and 37mm anti-aircraft fire have YOU exposed yourself to,not to mention SAM missiles? If the correct number is "Zero",you have no standing to judge his courage,and that goes double if you were a draft-dodger like Trump. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
The draft violates the 13th amendment. Were you a draft-dodger too? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
How old are these people?? They were probably in their 40's or older at the time. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
There was never a draft for my generation. The 13th amendment talks about involuntary servitude. If you take the words to mean what they say without lawyer spin it forbids it. Right or wrong that is what the text of the 13th amendment says.
Nope. That is PC. Everyone gets a trophy thinking. A hero is someone like the charachter Rambo when he was in Viet Nam.
Much of the Army and Marines do that. That does not make them all heroes. What trump said was that getting captured did not make McCain a hero. The families of other POWs have evisceral hate for him. I was in the Navy. Except for those such as SEALs, the Navy does not see much firepower that small. Everybody on a ship is exposed, along with the ship. If it goes down, it's a long swim, if you can get in the water and get away from it in time. That does not make the everyone on a ship a hero. I'm pretty sure there are more casualties on the flight deck of a carrier than among the pilots who fly off the carrier.
I did not judge his courage. I judged whether being captured makes on a hero. If I were a draft dodger I would not be retired military. nolu chan, USN, Ret.
I'll add this. John McCain served honorably. I respect that about him. I just wouldn't go so far as to call him a hero. I think we are actually pretty much in agreement. We just express it differently, and I have a higher standard of what qualifies as a hero.
There was never a draft for my generation. I guess that lets you off the hook be default,doesn't it? he 13th amendment talks about involuntary servitude. If you take the words to mean what they say without lawyer spin it forbids it. Anyone that isn't willing to fight for their country if called up doesn't deserve to have a country. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
We only have two parties that matter, and they have the same sponsors. They only want candidates they own.
Nope. That is PC. Everyone gets a trophy thinking. A hero is someone like the charachter Rambo when he was in Viet Nam. Your ignorance is stunning. Do you get all your knowledge from your teebee and movies? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Anyone that isn't willing to fight for their country if called up doesn't deserve to have a country. I don't necessarily disagree with that. I'm just commenting on what I honestly to believe the text of the 13th amendment to say. Like I said before rightly or wrongly. The constitution isn't auomatically right on everything.
Of course it does. What trump said was that getting captured did not make McCain a hero. No,that is the spin you Trump Turnips are trying to put on it. He CLEARLY stated that McLunatic wasn't a hero because he was a POW,and that the people he considered to be the heroes were the ones that weren't captured. Which I guess qualifies Trump and all the other draft-dodgers are heroes because none of them were ever captured,were they? Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Kinda like a [two] headed snake, huh? Which head do you cut off to kill the vile beast that lies to you, the good one or the bad one?
Do you get all your knowledge from your teebee and movies? I'm not ignorant. You're just PC to a degree. No not on everything. No I don't get all my knowledge from tebee [sic] and movies?
Nope. That is PC. Everyone gets a trophy thinking. More ignorance. Everybody in the military that did expose themselves to enemy fire over and over DID get a "trophy" in one form or another. It came in the form of an awards and decorations. Some just recognized the risk you exposed yourself to,like Air Medals,CIB's,CMB's,etc,etc,etc,and some were higher level awards that recognized individual acts of courage. You woldn't know this because you never served,and you don't even really care about it other than to cover up for your own personal "hero",the trust fund draft dodger. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Which means you never saw any combat. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
How do you know what I care about? You don't.
McCain himself said he wasn't a hero. You said you saw combat and you also said you didn't consider yourself a hero. Case closed.
Also I'm sure you served honorably. I'd also like to apologize to you a while back when I said you only served because you wanted to kill people. That was wrong. I'm sorry.
Actually,he didn't. He DID serve honorably,even if incompetently,prior to being shot down,but once his wounds were treated and he was out of the hospital,he violated his oath as member of the US military and gave aid and comfort to the enemy. He even gave anti-American interviews to communist newspapers and it is said he also made radio broadcasts encouraging soldiers to refuse to fight. I never heard any of the radio broadcasts and have never talked to anyone who did either,so I am not so sure that was true,but the rest was. And I do cut him some slack for telling the NVA his daddy was a Admiral so he could get better medical treatment right after he was captured. Anyone in that position that doesn't try to get better medical treatment is a fool. It's not the same thing as exposing military secrets. He was also a pretty lousy pilot by all reports. None of which takes away from the courage he exhibited by taking off and landing on a carrier deck at sea,and floying off into the face of some pretty intense AAA fire to drop his bombs. I don't give a damn who you are,that takes stones. You might want to take note of this because it will probably be the only good thing you will ever see me write about McLunatic. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Sadly,we have devolved to the point where we really only have one party,with two branches competing for power but seeking the same goals when in office. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Now you are telling us that people who don't serve honorably are heroes. Are there any Nazi heroes?
Get off it.
Shut up Fred.
AFAIK,that IS what it says,but like everything else in life,you need context. Don't forget that the people who wrote and passed the Bill of Rights were also the very same people who said every American male over the age of 17 and under the age of 45 (?) is a member of the militia and subject to be called to active duty. I have no doubt there is ample documentation of the letters they sent to one another explaining why the militia isn't Un-Constituional. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I don't,other than what your post tell me about what is important to you. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
I have no doubt there is ample documentation of the letters they sent to one another explaining why the militia isn't Un-Constituional. I'm a literalist on words in the constitution. I want them literally obeyed. Not some lawyer twisting of words. That is why my position is what it is. If the 13th amendment is worded incorrectly. It should be repealed and replaced with something better. But as it stands it says what it says. Also the amendments change the constituion.
Thank you for the apology,but it isn't really necessary. I recognized it was a "heat of the moment" thing when I read it. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
In some cases,yes. People aren't machines that are programmed to only think and react one way. You have to recognize the positive things people do as well as recognize the bad they do. For example,Benedict Arnold was a hero to the American cause before he became a traitor. Are there any Nazi heroes? Oh,hell YEAH! Otto Skorzeny,the guy that led the raid to rescue Mussolini,for example. There were many,many German WW-2 heroes. I even knew and served with a few in the US Army in the 60's. It came as a shock to me to see people standing in the same formation as me during a IG inspection wearing Iron Crosses on their uniforms. I never knew him personally,but Lauri Törni/Larry Throne was one of these people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauri_T%C3%B6rni Fought against the Red Army and earned Finlands highest decoration for courage when the Soviets invaded Finland,and when the Nazi's finally won,he escaped to Germany and enlisted in their army as a Private so he could go off and kill more communists,and was awarded several medals for courage by the Nazi's. He died when the helicopter he was riding in crashed into the jungle while returning from inserting a recon team behind enemy lines in Laos. Some of the VN people we worked with in VN had fought with the NVA against the French,and then helped us fight against the Vietnamese communists when they invaded the south. Courage doesn't have a nationality or belong to any one group. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
Ok reasonable enough.
CONTEXT! Freedom isn't free,and those who aren't willing to fight for it will not remain free. If you are not a free people,no words written or spoken anywhere by anyone else have any meaning because YOU will not be able to speak YOUR truth. If you are not willing to fight to defend your country and your freedoms,you won't maintain either. I'm GUESSING the Founding Fathers thought that was so obvious it didn't need explaining. I guess in their day it was a lot more obvious than it is today. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
If we were being attacked I would have no problem fighting. If they tried to draft me for Iraq I would have a problem with that.
Truthfully,I have serious problems with ANY American being sent to fight in the Muddle East. Having said that,soldiers aren't the ones who decides who and where they fight. It is the politicians that make these decisions. Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)
No,that is the spin you Trump Turnips are trying to put on it. He CLEARLY stated that McLunatic wasn't a hero because he was a POW,and that the people he considered to be the heroes were the ones that weren't captured. What Trump said, in quotes: What trump said was that getting captured did not make McCain a hero. Getting captured does not make one a war hero.
Which means you never saw any combat. Not claiming to have seen combat can be added to my not claiming to be a lawyer.
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#404. To: A K A Stone (#401)
“I would … note that an awful lot of Republicans, including other Republican candidates, have gone out of their way to smack Donald Trump with a stick. Now I think that’s just foolish,” he said.
#405. To: sneakypete (#377)
I have talked with people that admitted to voting for Boy Jorge because they thought they were voting for his father,which is another mystery.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#406. To: sneakypete (#377)
have also gotten into arguments with people who REMEMBER Nixon going to prison for breaking into the Watergate complex, and they also remember him starting the VN war.
“Let me see which pig "DON'T" I want to vote for, the one with or without lipstick??" Hmmmmm...
#407. To: nolu chan (#399)
They want return on investment.
#408. To: nolu chan (#398)
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It should have.
#409. To: A K A Stone (#400)
Draft dodgers have no standing to comment on anyone else's courage or lack of it.
#410. To: CZ82 (#405)
I have talked with people that admitted to voting for Boy Jorge because they thought they were voting for his father,which is another mystery.
#411. To: sneakypete (#409)
Were you a draft-dodger too?
#412. To: sneakypete (#408)
You are full of crap on this one. Anyone that purposely exposes themselves to enemy fire over and over qualifies as a hero.
#413. To: sneakypete (#408)
Anyone that purposely exposes themselves to enemy fire over and over qualifies as a hero.
Have much 12.7mm,20mm,and 37mm anti-aircraft fire have YOU exposed yourself to,not to mention SAM missiles?
#414. To: sneakypete (#408)
you have no standing to judge his courage,and that goes double if you were a draft-dodger like Trump.
#415. To: sneakypete (#408)
#416. To: A K A Stone (#411)
Were you a draft-dodger too?
#417. To: buckeroo (#407)
You might think that with 320 million American citizens, we might have a few more presidential nominees than Jeb!,Hillary! and Trump! wouldn't you?
#418. To: A K A Stone (#412)
You are full of crap on this one. Anyone that purposely exposes themselves to enemy fire over and over qualifies as a hero.
#419. To: sneakypete (#416)
he 13th amendment talks about involuntary servitude. If you take the words to mean what they say without lawyer spin it forbids it.
#420. To: nolu chan (#413)
Much of the Army and Marines do that. That does not make them all heroes.
#421. To: nolu chan (#417)
(Edited)
We only have two parties that matter, and they have the same sponsors.
#422. To: sneakypete (#418)
Your ignorance is stunning.
#423. To: A K A Stone (#412)
You are full of crap on this one. Anyone that purposely exposes themselves to enemy fire over and over qualifies as a hero.
#424. To: nolu chan (#414)
If I were a draft dodger I would not be retired military. nolu chan, USN, Ret.
#425. To: sneakypete (#423)
You woldn't [sic] know this because you never served,and you don't even really care about it
#426. To: sneakypete (#423)
#427. To: sneakypete (#424)
#428. To: A K A Stone (#415)
I'll add this. John McCain served honorably.
#429. To: nolu chan (#417)
We only have two parties that matter,
#430. To: sneakypete (#428)
I'll add this. John McCain served honorably. Actually,he didn't.
#431. To: A K A Stone (#430)
#432. To: Fred Mertz (#431)
#433. To: A K A Stone (#419)
I'm just commenting on what I honestly to believe the text of the 13th amendment to say.
#434. To: A K A Stone (#425)
How do you know what I care about? You don't.
#435. To: sneakypete (#433)
Don't forget that the people who wrote and passed the Bill of Rights were also the very same people who said every American male over the age of 17 and under the age of 45 (?) is a member of the militia and subject to be called to active duty.
#436. To: A K A Stone (#427)
I'd also like to apologize to you a while back when I said you only served because you wanted to kill people. That was wrong. I'm sorry.
#437. To: A K A Stone (#430)
Now you are telling us that people who don't serve honorably are heroes.
#438. To: sneakypete (#437)
#439. To: A K A Stone (#435)
I'm a literalist on words in the constitution. I want them literally obeyed. Not some lawyer twisting of words. That is why my position is what it is.
#440. To: sneakypete (#439)
#441. To: A K A Stone (#440)
If they tried to draft me for Iraq I would have a problem with that.
#442. To: sneakypete (#420)
What trump said was that getting captured did not make McCain a hero.
“He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”
#443. To: sneakypete (#424)
If I were a draft dodger I would not be retired military. nolu chan, USN, Ret.
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