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Title: Trump out at #RSG15; Update: Fiorina to Trump: “There. Is. No. Excuse.”
Source: HotAir
URL Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/07/breaking-trump-out-at-rsg15/
Published: Aug 7, 2015
Author: Ed Morrissey
Post Date: 2015-08-08 10:22:08 by Tooconservative
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Earlier this evening, CNN’s Don Lemon interviewed Donald Trump about the debate on Fox News Channel last night, and set off another Trump-related tempest. After noting that Kelly pushed Trump during the debate, and that she “pushed a lot of people” besides Trump, Lemon asked, “What is it with you and Megyn Kelly?” Trump’s reply was, er … colorful, to say the least [emphasis mine]:

TRUMP: Well, I just don’t respect her as a journalist, I have no respect for her. I don’t think she’s very good, I think she’s highly overrated. But when I came out there, you know — what am I doing? I’m not getting paid for this. I go out there, and they start saying this stuff [garbled]. But you know, I didn’t know there’d be 24 million people. I knew it was going to be a big crowd because I get crowds, I get ratings. They call me the ratings machine. So I have, you know, she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions, and you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her … wherever. But in my opinion, she was off base.

Kelly did ask Trump tough questions in last night’s debate, but she asked tough questions of Marco Rubio on abortion too, and of other candidates on stage as well. As the front-runner, Trump should have expected tough questions, especially given his track record of supporting nearly every progressive idea at one time or another, including Hillary Clinton being President.  Kelly also asked Trump about his remarks about women, which appears to have particularly rankled him — and pushed him into validating Kelly’s premise in asking those questions in the first place. After all, it’s not often when a major party candidate takes a shot at a woman by reminding everyone of her menstrual cycle. I’m certain that will really impress women about their place in the Republican Party.

Trump was scheduled to speak at the Red State Gathering tomorrow, in the final slot at the event. Not long after these remarks, event organizer Erick Erickson announced that he had withdrawn the invitation:

That will undoubtedly anger some Trump supporters, but after last night’s debate performance and his thin-skinned whining afterward, I wonder if that group wasn’t already in decline. This might fire up the die-hard Trump troops, but suggesting that a journalist went after his target-rich record only because she was menstruating should be a disqualifier for most voters. It’s vastly worse than anything Todd Akin said, and will almost certainly have media outlets demanding responses from the other Republican candidates. It’s practically tailor-made for Democrats to hoist up the Republican War On Women banner, especially Hillary Clinton.

Get ready for plenty of Team Trump dog-in-the-manger, sour-grapes quotes in the morning, if not overnight. There may be some legitimate anger among a small group of RSG15 attendees tomorrow who wanted to see Trump at this event, but Erick has a solid case for not wanting to have this overshadow the event tomorrow, with more presidential candidates on hand to make their pitches. Erick will almost certainly address this in the morning, and we’ll see what the fallout is over the rest of the day.

Update: Carly Fiorina appears to be the first Republican candidate to respond to Trump’s remarks, perhaps fittingly so (via Twitchy):

That’s interesting, because Fiorina actually deflected a Trump question at her presser today at RSG15 by asking why the media wasn’t calling out Obama for his offensive comments about opponents of the Iran deal. Not this time, apparently.

Update: Erick has an explanation up at RedState:

But I also think that while Mr. Trump resonates with a lot of people with his bluntness, including me to a degree, there are just real lines of decency a person running for President should not trust.

His comment was inappropriate. It is unfortunate to have to disinvite him. But I just don’t want someone on stage who gets a hostile question from a lady and his first inclination is to imply it was hormonal. It just was wrong.

I have invited Megyn Kelly to attend in Donald Trump’s place tomorrow night.

Well, that would be interesting. We’ll see if she can swing that.

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#3. To: TooConservative (#0)

Carly Fiorina: "I'm the new rising star Lion-ess of GOP Presidential candidates!"

This broad Fiorina is a hologram. A fake. Wolf in sheeps' clothing. A hedge for Jeb. A totally manufactured candidate who is OBVIOUSLY following a script. She's just as manufactured a product as is the fake outrage against Trump. The Megyn Kelly-led "War on Women!" meme, and the un-holy matrimony of FOX News to the effete GOPe is now exposed to the world. How will Republican voters react to this manipulation?

Q: Is there ANYTHING that either FOX News or the GOPe do that isn't contrived, staged bullsh*t?? Their relationship isn't much different than the symbiosis of MSNBC and the Dem Party.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-08   11:25:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Liberator (#3) (Edited)

This broad Fiorina is a hologram. A fake. Wolf in sheeps' clothing. A hedge for Jeb.

In her rather miserable 2010 CA Senate campaign, she was adamantly pro-choice and on the global hotting side.

She was, in fairness, just recovering from surgery and breast cancer and had just lost an adopted daughter.

I think she has prepared for and wants to be the new Palin, an attack dog that can defy the usual War On Women themes.

She is a much better prepared candidate now than she was in her 2010 race or in her role in 2012 as a highly placed Romney surrogate.

Given that she is appealing to the GOP party establishment, it's no surprise she's demoing her willingness to go on the attack yet again.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-08   12:21:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: TooConservative (#25)

In her rather miserable 2010 CA Senate campaign, she was adamantly pro-choice and on the global hotting side.

She was, in fairness, just recovering from surgery and breast cancer and had just lost an adopted daughter.

In fairness, why should her personal her problems have played into her life philosophy? In order to be "fair"?? What proof have we that she's sincerely suddenly changed her mind on those two hot-button issues that are traditionally DEM red meat requisites?

I think she has prepared for and wants to be the new Palin, an attack dog that can defy the usual War On Women themes.

That portrayal appears to be the narrative/script for the time being. But now she's just defied her defiance of the "War on Women" theme by going after Trump. That didn't take long.

She is a much better prepared candidate now than she was in her 2010 race or in her role in 2012 as a highly placed Romney surrogate.

Yup, I agree wholeheartedly. Fiorina polished inside and outside, and seems to have attended finishing school for GOPe Candidates.

Given that she is appealing to the GOP party establishment, it's no surprise she's demoing her willingness to go on the attack yet again.

But THIS time, her handlers have jumped on the "Destroy-Trump!" bandwagon, which undoubtedly endears her to the RNC. My impression: Fiorina seems...almost TOO polished, too smooth, too confident. And NOW she can play off and exploit the "War on Women" card and not be treated "meanly" during the campaign. How utterly reptilian AND brilliant!

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-08   12:38:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Liberator (#38) (Edited)

But THIS time, her handlers have jumped on the "Destroy-Trump!" bandwagon, which undoubtedly endears her to the RNC. My impression: Fiorina seems...almost TOO polished, too smooth, too confident. And NOW she can play off and exploit the "War on Women" card and not be treated "meanly" during the campaign. How utterly reptilian AND brilliant!

It is a clever strategy, certainly obvious enough.

Donald made an unforced error, Fiorina swoops in to capitalize on it.

I saw a number of political consultants who think that Fiorina won both debates on Thursday. No one at the main debate had as good a night as she had in the 5pm debate. Then she raced to PMSNBC and kicked Chrissy Matthews in the balls.

So she's on a roll and will definitely make the cut for the main debate upcoming on CNN. Where she can slice and dice Teh Donald to his face for a big audience.

Let's imagine how that might go. She attacks him for chummy phone calls with Bill Xlinton and for saying he might run third-party. He makes some angry retort about her tenure as HP CEO. She then says something acidic in return and finishes with, "I hope you don't think I'm bleeding from...somewhere like you said about Megan Kelly, you crude buffoon."

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-08   12:44:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: TooConservative (#41)

The DNC is probably trying to figure out how they got upstaged with the "Trump plan." They probably see Trump in the race as a master stroke of RNC strategery:)

I heard they are now delaying their first debate. Wonder is Vasserman Sholtz is looking for a lightening rod:)

As it stands all the Dim candidates are boring. Not good "television."

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-08   14:34:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: redleghunter (#89)

The DNC is probably trying to figure out how they got upstaged with the "Trump plan." They probably see Trump in the race as a master stroke of RNC strategery:)

You know they're trying to script up ways to tar the entire GOP with Trump.

Media to any GOP nominee: "Why did you not confront Donald Trump's hate speech toward Mexicans or even Megan Kelly? Aren't you part of the GOP's War On Womyn?"

Etc.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-08   14:45:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: TooConservative (#92)

You know they're trying to script up ways to tar the entire GOP with Trump.

Is Trump the tar on the GOP or is the GOP the tar on Trump?

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-08   14:46:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Pericles (#94)

Is Trump the tar on the GOP or is the GOP the tar on Trump?

Trump is just Trump, same as ever. He has always been only about himself.

Being a New Yorker, he considers the GOP just a line among a few dozen others on the NY state ballot, probably has no idea it isn't like that elsewhere in the country.

I think Trump is actually pretty naive about America generally, probably the worst in either field. Donald Trump's life is all about excluding the 99% entirely.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-08   14:49:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: TooConservative (#97)

I think Trump is actually pretty naive about America generally, probably the worst in either field. Donald Trump's life is all about excluding the 99% entirely.

Talking like a Democrat there, Hoss!

The GOP is a failed ideological party. I say this as a former Republican.

Most party supporters kind of know this. Why? 8 years of Clinton prosperity in contrast to what went on in the Bush 8 years showed - at least subliminally - many Republicans probably had their political "faith" shaken by what happened.

Of course these very same GOP members they have been saying all these talking points for years and are stuck in the faith but deep down inside they view their ideology like a failed religion. Sort of how pagans must have felt in the late Roman empire. They still sacrificed at the altar out of habit and tradition but deep down inside they know it is an empty faith.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-08   14:58:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Pericles, TooConservative, Vicomte13 (#100)

The GOP is a failed ideological party. I say this as a former Republican.

Failed because the globalist country club cabal throttled the party and divided it into TWO parties. Anyone who not gotten that memo by now is...in a coma.

Deep down inside they [Republicans] know it [Republicanism] is an empty faith.

If there's an "empty faith," is the the Scientology of political parties -- The Democrat Party, a cult which votes and thinks monolithicly, and does exactly what they're told -- like L. Ron Hubbard's Cult.

Their party platform is actually the disbelief in a deity (yet they worship themselves and others within their cult. ); Their "holy" sacrament is abortion; In brief, their creed is, "Gimme your preborn baby and body parts to sell; We pledge their blood-money to our Master, The Beast of the Underworld. We steal your tax-money and even help finance the Holy Abortion Industry...BUT defend the rights of lions and tiger and bears to live -- OH MY!"

Dems are the vilest, lowest, most evil beings of God's good earth. Remove abortion from the equation, and these people still remain illogical, self-absorbed, vile, vicious, evil, divisive, covetous, and liars.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-08   15:39:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Liberator (#114)

Remove abortion from the equation, and these people still remain illogical, self-absorbed, vile, vicious, evil, divisive, covetous, and liars.

Remove abortion from the picture, and I see a Democrat party that presses for universal education, health insurance, retirement, and that so far has gotten us Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, the GI Bill, the VA Loan, and weekends.

So I'd say that it's too bad that the Democrats are babykillers, because absent that, they would be the best party to represent the middle class. Crony capitalists never have had anyone but themselves at heart.

But, alas, Democrats ARE babykilling ghouls, so they're not acceptable. It's a shame. It means nobody is acceptable.

Trump, at least, tells it like it is. In the absence of any good parties, I at least somebody who doesn't try to blow sunshine up my ass.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-08   15:44:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Vicomte13 (#116)

Remove abortion from the picture, and I see a Democrat party that presses for universal education, health insurance, retirement, and that so far has gotten us Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, the GI Bill, the VA Loan, and weekends.

They've used that spending NOT out of compassion, but as weapons of personal and party POWER.

Some of those items are earned, some designed as a safety net...but NEVER as an ENTITLEMENT. They provide Exibit A is to why the USA is $19 TRILLION in debt; It's just not sustainable. Someone is profiteering, and it ain't the above people. It's lobbyists, those businesses and politicians who've been overcharging on the increased numbers of lazy, parasitic, generation welfare slobs...And those whose pensions for the leftist/socialist cademe and goob drones rake in upwards of $50k+ with Platinum health insurance. bennies. Some retirement bennies start at age 45 or so. Gimme a break.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-08   16:13:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: Liberator (#124) (Edited)

ome of those items are earned, some designed as a safety net...but NEVER as an ENTITLEMENT. They provide Exibit A is to why the USA is $19 TRILLION in debt; It's just not sustainable. Someone is profiteering, and it ain't the above people. It's lobbyists, those businesses and politicians who've been overcharging on the increased numbers of lazy, parasitic, generation welfare slobs...And those whose pensions for the leftist/socialist cademe and goob drones rake in upwards of $50k+ with Platinum health insurance. bennies. Some retirement bennies start at age 45 or so. Gimme a break.

It's not sustainable as we do it. It is sustainable the way that France, Sweden and Denmark does it.

Oh, and those three countries are the only places in the entire world where the WHITE birth rate is stable at replacement rate.

EVERYWHERE ELSE has a less generous safety net, and therefore everywhere else has a white middle class that is dwindling in numbers because the fertility rate is below replacement (in America, it is WELL below replacement), and that is because the middle class simply do not feel secure enough to have children, or to have ENOUGH children to maintain their population.

So the whites are dying out, everywhere EXCEPT France, Sweden and Denmark. That's it. That's all.

And what do France, Sweden and Denmark have in common? Highly progressive and redistributive taxation, which prevents excessive wealth accumulation at the top through taxes, and spends those resources on the sort of comprehensive social safety net that makes the middle class feel secure enough to have babies. So they do.

I myself, personally, am simply tired of arguing with Americans about it. Love your money and your system that much? Fine. Fucking die out and be replaced by Mexicans. Because that is what will happen.

In 25 years the French will outnumber the Germans, and France will once again be the most populous and economically powerful country in Europe again. That is because of an intentional, comprehensive, targeted program of shoring up families and redistributing the national wealth to them so that they have children, so that the children are well-nourished, well-educated, and everybody is well-cared for, and the elderly are provided for. That's expensive, but it works. People are secure, and so they invest in the real future by having children, more and more.

Sweden and Denmark do the same thing. Works there too. Works everywhere. It's WHY people are having babies.

Know why France conquered Germany in 1806-1807 and again in 1808? Because the French had 35 million and the Germans had about 10 million. The French overwhelmed them with numbers.

Know why France almost failed in World War I? Because by then, Germany had bloomed to 70 million, but France had 35 million. In World War II France was conquered by a country that outnumbered her 2:1.

That's what happens when you focus on everything in the world but what matters to breeding families, and you heap burdens on them and refuse to relieve those burdens, refuse to redistribute wealth from the rich: your people don't breed, and you shrink in numbers, and then the more numerous people across the border come and take your land from you.

That's what happened to France, which is why they have a long-range, determined program to increase their population, and why the subsidize the necessities of life: because that's the ONLY WAY TO GET BABIES. People who are economically overstressed and who do not have security, do not have babies.

Americans don't. The English don't. The Germans don't. The Greeks don't. But the French do. And the Swedes do. And the Danes do. Not coincidentally, they also have the most comprehensive social safety nets, and the most redistributive tax systems: children cost money, and raising them up to be well- educated adults who can contribute to the national advancement costs a lot of money.

The French, Swedes and Danes spend the money, so they have the babies. And that means that France will be the alpha card in Europe. European French people will be the most numerous, and they'll be staring across borders and waters at an England full of old white people and young Pakistanis, and a Germany full of young Turks, Polish immigrants, but a dying out German population that is being replaced in the land.

In 100 years, America will speak Spanish, for the same reason. Demographics is destiny, and it is power. It is culture and language. It is everything.

The only way to have robust demographics is to incentivize it. The only way to do that - the only way that actually WORKS in the real world of real numbers - is progressive taxation, massive wealth redistribution, and a heavy and comprehensive social safety net.

I'm on the side of life and victory. I know why France was overrun by Germany in the World Wars, and why America and the USSR won: numbers. America is being overrun now, because of the numbers game. We've aborted and contracepted a huge hole in our economy and our future. The birth rate has collapsed. So we have two choices, the RIGHT one, which would be to pay workers much higher wages, for their scarce labor, or the one we've done, which is import.

We have imported our future.

I'm Latin and Catholic - having America turn into Mexico doesn't bother me. It's inevitable. demographics is destiny. It doesn't have to be, but Americans refuse to be realistic about what it takes to get white middle class people to have children again. Stuck on stupid and unwilling to change, white America will simply die out and be replaced.

"The actress hasn't learned the lines you'd like to hear. She won't join your clubs. She won't dance in your halls. She won't help the hungry once a month at your tombolas. She'll simply take control as your disappear." - Evita.

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