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Fox News URL Source:http://n/a Published:Aug 6, 2015 Author:n/a Post Date:2015-08-06 20:56:58 by Rufus T Firefly Keywords:None Views:26369 Comments:185
Ben Carson would be at or near the top of my list if he weren't a True Believer Fundie. I just can't vote to make someone president that believes in magic and miracles.
Ben Carson would be at or near the top of my list if he weren't a True Believer Fundie. I just can't vote to make someone president that believes in magic and miracles.
Cross them all off the list Pete. They are all Christians who believe in Christ and His miracles.
It should tell you something that the smartest man on stage is also a believer.
Why are you so convinced Ben Carson is wrong about his faith?
When did I ever say anyone was wrong to have faith?
I just happen to personally believe the whole "God" thing is nothing more than a scam,but I have never tried to claim people don't have a right to believe what they want to believe as long as they aren't harming anyone.
I also don't want a "True Believer" in anything but the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights sitting in the WH,and will NOT vote for one because a True Believer will put his religious beliefs ahead of everything else,and that is the kind of crap that leads to religious slavery and Holy Wars.
You go ahead and vote for anyone you want,but I will never vote for a funidie of any faith.
I also don't want a "True Believer" in anything but the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights sitting in the WH,and will NOT vote for one because a True Believer will put his religious beliefs ahead of everything else,and that is the kind of crap that leads to religious slavery and Holy Wars.
Several of our founding fathers who were devoted Christians and who later became President did not seem to have a problem with the US Constitution. So not seeing a strong case for your point.
The spirit of the American Revolution had its roots in the First Great Awakening. No holy wars ensued from that.
Several of our founding fathers who were devoted Christians and who later became President did not seem to have a problem with the US Constitution.
The fact that they helped write it and grew up in a period when claiming to be a True Believer was pretty much mandatory may have had something to do with that.
So not seeing a strong case for your point.
Of course not,although I suspect you would if the nominee were a Muslim.
Of course not,although I suspect you would if the nominee were a Muslim.
Or even a Quaker or a Mormon.
Well cross off Mormon. I stated on LP that Romney's religion would not influence my decision to vote or not vote for him.
Muslim? Your right I did not vote for the Muslim presidential candidate and settled for the Mormon in 2012. Plus unlike our American Christian tradition, Islam is inherently political from its inception.
Finally, we already had a Quaker President:
Nixon was a Quaker.
Nixon’s mother, Hannah, was a devout Quaker who instilled the faith in her husband and children. After the failure of his father’s lemon grove in Yorba Linda, California, Nixon moved with the family in 1922 to the nearby Quaker community of Whittier, which was named after one of America’s most eminent Quakers, the poet John Greenleaf Whittier. As a boy, Nixon went to Quaker meetings four times on Sundays and played the piano at church services. He enrolled at Whittier College, a Quaker institution, and attended mandatory chapel hours every day.
Plus unlike our American Christian tradition, Islam is inherently political from its inception.
I have to disagree with that one. Anyone even remotely familiar with the history of the Catholic Church knows that for hundreds of years it functioned as a arm of government everywhere it planted roots.
They even had their own courts and their own sentencing for anyone they accused of committing religious crimes.
In fact,not too long ago they were still playing these brutal games in Ireland.
I have to disagree with that one. Anyone even remotely familiar with the history of the Catholic Church knows that for hundreds of years it functioned as a arm of government everywhere it planted roots.
They even had their own courts and their own sentencing for anyone they accused of committing religious crimes.
In fact,not too long ago they were still playing these brutal games in Ireland.
But not in the USA. "Popery" was kept in check here in the USA.
But not in the USA. "Popery" was kept in check here in the USA.
It was a big issue in the early post-colonial period. Preachers like Increase Mather often inveighed against the papist hordes of Canada and the threat they posed.
America has been a paranoid country from the get-go.
America has been a paranoid country from the get-go.
With good reason. The people that founded this nation didn't come here because they had nothing better to do. They came her to get out of Europe and out from under the thumbs of the national churches.
They came her to get out of Europe and out from under the thumbs of the national churches.
So they could found their OWN national church right here, and execute people for witchcraft and other snake-handling buffoonery. That sort of idiot NEEDED to be religiously repressed and kept from speaking things and running their own churches, because when they did, they proved as nuts as they sounded and started killing people left and right.
The Virginians were just here to make money. That was never about religion. Ditto for South Carolina. Ditto for New Netherland. New England was about religious fanaticism. Pennsylvania was about a peaceful form of it that's sort of silly but relatively harmless. After all, Nixon was a Quaker...
eally? What church would that be,and why haven't I ever heard of it?
and execute people for witchcraft and other snake-handling buffoonery.
Sounds to me like you are thinking of the Catholics.
Puritans. All of New England. Salem Witch trials. Whipping and hanging Quakers for being Quaker. Seeking the lives of Anne Hutchinson and the Founder of RHode Island. That's how Rhode Island got there; Protestants fleeling from Protestant religious oppressions.
That's how Puritan New England got there: Protestants fleeing from Protestant religious oppression in England, and setting up their own over here. That's how Pennsylvania got there: Quaker Protestants fleeing the oppression of QUakers by English and German Protestants.
It's how the Scotch Irish got their: Scottish Presbyterians fleeing bad treatment at the hands of the English Anglican Establishment (both religious and economic mistreatment).
That's how the Virginia Cavaliers got there: Church of England types fleeing Puritan oppression in England once the Puritans won their civil war over there.
England was not a Catholic country when they founded their colonies. They were Protestant, and they enforced brutal conformity laws on other Protestants. English America from Virginia northwards, filled up with religious refugees fleeing oppression by other English Protestants. The Catholics had been gone from English governance and social life for nearly a hundred years by that point.
The only Catholics around in the British isles in any number were the Irish, and they were being murdered everywhere by the Presbyterians and then the Puritans, and just generally treated like shit by the English Anglican establishment. When the Irish Catholics came to America, THEY were ALSO fleeing religious oppression - by Protestants.
English-speaking America is chock full of people who originated fleeing PROTESTANT ENGLISH and PROTESTANT GERMAN religious oppression. Catholic Oppression occurred mostly on the Continent, and those Protestants who fled it simply fled to other Protestant countries in Europe. They didn't come to America, except for French Huguenots, like some of my ancestors.
Puritans didn't found this country. They were just a cult that moved into the northeast.
All of New England.
Still pretty much a shit hole ran by a cult. This one is named Communism.
Protestants fleeing from Protestant religious oppression in England, and setting up their own over here.
Yup,the Church of England. Thanks for helping me make my point about oppressive religions and political power.
England was not a Catholic country when they founded their colonies.
So what? They had just overthrown the Catholic Church a few short years earlier,and their new officlal religion was ran by people who grew up Catholic and that was the only way they knew to run a church.
Catholic Oppression occurred mostly on the Continent,
Not true. It occurred everywhere a Catholic Church existed EXCEPT for America,and you tried and are still trying here to this very day.
Look at the horrors the Catholics infliced on the peoples living in South American,Central America,and the Carribean Islands for examples of this.
You are obsessed with fear of the Catholic Church.
The future holds the sum of all of your fears, for the American Protestants, the WASPs, are dying out, and being replaced in this land by Latin Catholics.
I hope you're old, because the day is coming when Catholics will predominate in this country. We've already changed the structure. it was Catholic votes, FDR's urban coalitions, that pressed through Social Security and Unemployment Benefits.
We've been winning for a century. We're going to win it all in the end. And things will be better for everybody when that happens.
You are obsessed with fear of the Catholic Church.
Nope,but since you are,I can see why you would think I am.
What I AM obsessed with is personal freedoms,and personal freedoms are the enemy of all organized religions. The Catholic Church has been around longer than most of the others,and has a more documented history of abuse of power and brutality.
the American Protestants, the WASPs, are dying out, and being replaced in this land by Latin Catholics.
Admit it,it gives you wood to think that,doesn't it?
And what sane person WOULDN'T be upset over their country being taken over by a mass of illiterate superstitious peasants with no knowledge whatsoever of our culture or history,and no interest in learning about them?
I hope you're old, because the day is coming when Catholics will predominate in this country. We've already changed the structure. it was Catholic votes, FDR's urban coalitions, that pressed through Social Security and Unemployment Benefits.
We've been winning for a century. We're going to win it all in the end. And things will be better for everybody when that happens.
You just love being a slave,and can't wait for everyone else to be enslaved also.
