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Foreign Invaders crisis cost $150B in 2023, forcing some areas to cut police and fire services: report Israel kills head of Hezbollah Intelligence. Status: Not Logged In; Sign In United States News See other United States News Articles Title: Anyone watching the debate? You can post thoughts here Source: Fox News URL Source: http://n/a Published: Aug 6, 2015 Author: n/a Post Date: 2015-08-06 20:56:58 by Rufus T Firefly Keywords: None Views: 26479 Comments: 185 Hype? Anticipation? Thoughts? Roman circuses? Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread   Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest Begin Trace Mode for Comment # 175. #1. To: All (#0) (Edited) The Fox talking heads declared Carly Fiorina the winner of the consolation prize d debate, Part I She did well - we'll see. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   20:58:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #2. To: All (#1) HEADLINE! HEADLINE! TRUMP GRIMACED Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   21:00:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #3. To: Rufus T Firefly (#2) HEADLINE! HEADLINE! TRUMP GRIMACED I think Jeb! may have farted shamelessly. He's pandering to the Farto-American vote. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-06   21:14:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #4. To: TooConservative (#3) Kasich - big government republican. Strike 3 - he's outta there. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   21:22:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #5. To: All (#4) (Edited) Illegal Immigration - act of love. If Jebster wasn't a Bush, he'd be outta t there, too. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   21:24:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #6. To: All (#5) 1st break - Trump's still standing Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   21:28:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #9. To: All (#6) Now Kasich is trying to ride Trump's coattails Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   21:32:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #10. To: All (#9) Ah oh - Walker flip-flopper. Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   21:34:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #12. To: All (#10) (Edited) Cruz is probably the smartest guy in the room. Too bad he'll never be elected POTUS (funny lookin', doncha know) Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   21:36:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #14. To: All (#12) Cruz is probably the smartest guy in the room. Too bad he'll never be elected POTUS (funny lookin', doncha know) Cruz is the 2nd smartest - forgot Ben Carson Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   21:37:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #44. To: Rufus T Firefly (#14) Cruz is the 2nd smartest - forgot Ben Carson Ben Carson would be at or near the top of my list if he weren't a True Believer Fundie. I just can't vote to make someone president that believes in magic and miracles. sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-06   23:48:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #58. To: sneakypete (#44) Ben Carson would be at or near the top of my list if he weren't a True Believer Fundie. I just can't vote to make someone president that believes in magic and miracles. Cross them all off the list Pete. They are all Christians who believe in Christ and His miracles. It should tell you something that the smartest man on stage is also a believer. There's always Hitlery. She's not a "fundy.":) redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-07   1:31:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #69. To: redleghunter (#58) Cross them all off the list Pete. They are all Christians who believe in Christ and His miracles. Or so they claim for career purposes. The difference is that Carson really and truly believes. It should tell you something that the smartest man on stage is also a believer. That even smart people can be wrong? sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   4:17:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #81. To: sneakypete (#69) That even smart people can be wrong? Why are you so convinced Ben Carson is wrong about his faith? redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-07   8:48:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #87. To: redleghunter (#81) That even smart people can be wrong? Why are you so convinced Ben Carson is wrong about his faith? When did I ever say anyone was wrong to have faith? I just happen to personally believe the whole "God" thing is nothing more than a scam,but I have never tried to claim people don't have a right to believe what they want to believe as long as they aren't harming anyone. I also don't want a "True Believer" in anything but the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights sitting in the WH,and will NOT vote for one because a True Believer will put his religious beliefs ahead of everything else,and that is the kind of crap that leads to religious slavery and Holy Wars. You go ahead and vote for anyone you want,but I will never vote for a funidie of any faith. sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   9:19:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #95. To: sneakypete, GarySpFc, tomder55 (#87) I also don't want a "True Believer" in anything but the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights sitting in the WH,and will NOT vote for one because a True Believer will put his religious beliefs ahead of everything else,and that is the kind of crap that leads to religious slavery and Holy Wars. Several of our founding fathers who were devoted Christians and who later became President did not seem to have a problem with the US Constitution. So not seeing a strong case for your point. The spirit of the American Revolution had its roots in the First Great Awakening. No holy wars ensued from that. Basic Concepts of the First Great Awakening redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-07   9:50:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #120. To: redleghunter (#95) Several of our founding fathers who were devoted Christians and who later became President did not seem to have a problem with the US Constitution. The fact that they helped write it and grew up in a period when claiming to be a True Believer was pretty much mandatory may have had something to do with that. So not seeing a strong case for your point. Of course not,although I suspect you would if the nominee were a Muslim. Or even a Quaker or a Mormon. sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   14:58:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #122. To: sneakypete (#120) Of course not,although I suspect you would if the nominee were a Muslim. Or even a Quaker or a Mormon. Well cross off Mormon. I stated on LP that Romney's religion would not influence my decision to vote or not vote for him. Muslim? Your right I did not vote for the Muslim presidential candidate and settled for the Mormon in 2012. Plus unlike our American Christian tradition, Islam is inherently political from its inception. Finally, we already had a Quaker President: Nixon was a Quaker. Nixon’s mother, Hannah, was a devout Quaker who instilled the faith in her husband and children. After the failure of his father’s lemon grove in Yorba Linda, California, Nixon moved with the family in 1922 to the nearby Quaker community of Whittier, which was named after one of America’s most eminent Quakers, the poet John Greenleaf Whittier. As a boy, Nixon went to Quaker meetings four times on Sundays and played the piano at church services. He enrolled at Whittier College, a Quaker institution, and attended mandatory chapel hours every day. http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about- richard-nixon redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-07   15:41:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #132. To: redleghunter (#122) Plus unlike our American Christian tradition, Islam is inherently political from its inception. I have to disagree with that one. Anyone even remotely familiar with the history of the Catholic Church knows that for hundreds of years it functioned as a arm of government everywhere it planted roots. They even had their own courts and their own sentencing for anyone they accused of committing religious crimes. In fact,not too long ago they were still playing these brutal games in Ireland. sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   18:49:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #152. To: sneakypete, TooConservative (#132) I have to disagree with that one. Anyone even remotely familiar with the history of the Catholic Church knows that for hundreds of years it functioned as a arm of government everywhere it planted roots. They even had their own courts and their own sentencing for anyone they accused of committing religious crimes. In fact,not too long ago they were still playing these brutal games in Ireland. But not in the USA. "Popery" was kept in check here in the USA. redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-07   23:57:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #159. To: redleghunter (#152) But not in the USA. "Popery" was kept in check here in the USA. It was a big issue in the early post-colonial period. Preachers like Increase Mather often inveighed against the papist hordes of Canada and the threat they posed. America has been a paranoid country from the get-go. Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-08   10:08:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #167. To: TooConservative (#159) America has been a paranoid country from the get-go. With good reason. The people that founded this nation didn't come here because they had nothing better to do. They came her to get out of Europe and out from under the thumbs of the national churches. sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-08   14:49:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #171. To: sneakypete (#167) They came her to get out of Europe and out from under the thumbs of the national churches. So they could found their OWN national church right here, and execute people for witchcraft and other snake-handling buffoonery. That sort of idiot NEEDED to be religiously repressed and kept from speaking things and running their own churches, because when they did, they proved as nuts as they sounded and started killing people left and right. The Virginians were just here to make money. That was never about religion. Ditto for South Carolina. Ditto for New Netherland. New England was about religious fanaticism. Pennsylvania was about a peaceful form of it that's sort of silly but relatively harmless. After all, Nixon was a Quaker... Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-08   15:53:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #173. To: Vicomte13 (#171) So they could found their OWN national church right here, Really? What church would that be,and why haven't I ever heard of it? and execute people for witchcraft and other snake-handling buffoonery. Sounds to me like you are thinking of the Catholics. sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-08   16:05:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   #175. To: sneakypete (#173) eally? What church would that be,and why haven't I ever heard of it? and execute people for witchcraft and other snake-handling buffoonery. Sounds to me like you are thinking of the Catholics. Puritans. All of New England. Salem Witch trials. Whipping and hanging Quakers for being Quaker. Seeking the lives of Anne Hutchinson and the Founder of RHode Island. That's how Rhode Island got there; Protestants fleeling from Protestant religious oppressions. That's how Puritan New England got there: Protestants fleeing from Protestant religious oppression in England, and setting up their own over here. That's how Pennsylvania got there: Quaker Protestants fleeing the oppression of QUakers by English and German Protestants. It's how the Scotch Irish got their: Scottish Presbyterians fleeing bad treatment at the hands of the English Anglican Establishment (both religious and economic mistreatment). That's how the Virginia Cavaliers got there: Church of England types fleeing Puritan oppression in England once the Puritans won their civil war over there. England was not a Catholic country when they founded their colonies. They were Protestant, and they enforced brutal conformity laws on other Protestants. English America from Virginia northwards, filled up with religious refugees fleeing oppression by other English Protestants. The Catholics had been gone from English governance and social life for nearly a hundred years by that point. The only Catholics around in the British isles in any number were the Irish, and they were being murdered everywhere by the Presbyterians and then the Puritans, and just generally treated like shit by the English Anglican establishment. When the Irish Catholics came to America, THEY were ALSO fleeing religious oppression - by Protestants. English-speaking America is chock full of people who originated fleeing PROTESTANT ENGLISH and PROTESTANT GERMAN religious oppression. Catholic Oppression occurred mostly on the Continent, and those Protestants who fled it simply fled to other Protestant countries in Europe. They didn't come to America, except for French Huguenots, like some of my ancestors. Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-08   16:15:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   Replies to Comment # 175. #176. To: Vicomte13 (#175) Puritans. All of New England. Puritans didn't found this country. They were just a cult that moved into the northeast. All of New England. Still pretty much a shit hole ran by a cult. This one is named Communism. Protestants fleeing from Protestant religious oppression in England, and setting up their own over here. Yup,the Church of England. Thanks for helping me make my point about oppressive religions and political power. England was not a Catholic country when they founded their colonies. So what? They had just overthrown the Catholic Church a few short years earlier,and their new officlal religion was ran by people who grew up Catholic and that was the only way they knew to run a church. Catholic Oppression occurred mostly on the Continent, Not true. It occurred everywhere a Catholic Church existed EXCEPT for America,and you tried and are still trying here to this very day. Look at the horrors the Catholics infliced on the peoples living in South American,Central America,and the Carribean Islands for examples of this. sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-08 16:27:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply   End Trace Mode for Comment # 175. Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest

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