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Title: Anyone watching the debate? You can post thoughts here
Source: Fox News
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Published: Aug 6, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-08-06 20:56:58 by Rufus T Firefly
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Views: 24878
Comments: 185

Hype? Anticipation? Thoughts?

Roman circuses?

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#105. To: TooConservative (#102)

It boggles me this security feature is still not fixed. Is it because Windows needs a backdoor into your copy.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-07   12:39:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: CZ82 (#100)
(Edited)

LOL.

I think they $1,000 word I learned in sophmore year was 'lugubrious.'

Had a hard time working that one in for general conversation down the road:)

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-07   12:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Rufus T Firefly (#103)

While it probably wouldn't have worked last night - too many players - a real debate where the candidates challenge each other (with little moderator interruption) would be revealing and educational.

You could do an afternoon debate, ask serious policy questions, have a formal debate system, let pairs face off with a main argument on a topic and then pepper each other with questions.

The only problem is that lawyers would excel. And Ted Cruz would demonstrate why he was a Princeton/Harvard debate champ. But would it make him a better president. Our presidents are elected to act on their own judgment, not to debate the cabinet on policy. This is why presidents don't debate the cabinet. They set policy and tell the cabinet to implement it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-07   12:43:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: sneakypete (#87)

a True Believer will put his religious beliefs ahead of everything else,

True.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-07   12:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: redleghunter (#83)

What exactly is a 'staunch" Methodist these days?

Somebody from middle America who's registered with a Methodist Church, believes in God, and runs a Bible Study?

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-07   12:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: TooConservative (#107)

The only problem is that lawyers would excel. And Ted Cruz would demonstrate why he was a Princeton/Harvard debate champ. But would it make him a better president. Our presidents are elected to act on their own judgment, not to debate the cabinet on policy. This is why presidents don't debate the cabinet. They set policy and tell the cabinet to implement it.

Which is why Trump is my guy. His instincts seem right, and he really doesn't care if he offends people.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-07   12:52:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: TooConservative (#102)

Yikes!

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-07   12:53:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: Vicomte13 (#110)

Which is why Trump is my guy. His instincts seem right, and he really doesn't care if he offends people.

Given your background, I can see why you might think that formal debating skills shouldn't be the primary means of selecting a prez.     : )

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-07   13:01:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: redleghunter (#111)

Which is why Trump is my guy. His instincts seem right, and he really doesn't care if he offends people.

I actually am kind of cowering and shielding my eyes from shocking news bits when I visit ./ or Ars Technica these days.

Lots of bad tech news, very little good tech news.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-07   13:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: TooConservative, *2016 The Likely Suspects* (#113)

Was really surprised the Clinton News Network (CNN) reported this on their website:

GOP debate: Early numbers suggest record audience

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-07   13:16:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: TooConservative, Fred Mertz (#114)

Fox made the debate available online to cable and satellite subscribers, but many users on Twitter said they had a tough time accessing it.

A Fox spokeswoman confirmed the problems and said "an unprecedented, overwhelming demand caused server issues in the debate live stream."

The above may explain why some folks had issues streaming the video last night of the debate.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-07   13:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: redleghunter (#114)

Was really surprised the Clinton News Network (CNN) reported this on their website:

They're green with envy over the ratings.

I think they're worried that the RNC might just cancel the libmedia GOP primary debates entirely. They already dumped Candy Crowley, a hasty forced retirement. I think Reince Priebus had some words with them.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-07   13:26:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: redleghunter (#115)

That EU server I posted the link to worked but it took a long long time to negotiate a connection to the servers. It was being hammered, not just in the States but worldwide.

There is intense interest in whether the GOP might field a candidate that can defeat Hitlery. A lot of people who don't want another helping of what Obama has dished out for 8 years. Not that they love the GOP, they just don't like what America has been doing.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-07   13:28:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: rlk (#91)

Maybe, but I certainly always enjoy watching anyone slapping Chris Matthews around!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-07   14:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: TooConservative (#94)

Does anyone imagine that our presidents are hosting a debating society in the White Hut?

Yes. That is exactly what they do on a daily basis.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   14:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: redleghunter (#95)

Several of our founding fathers who were devoted Christians and who later became President did not seem to have a problem with the US Constitution.

The fact that they helped write it and grew up in a period when claiming to be a True Believer was pretty much mandatory may have had something to do with that.

So not seeing a strong case for your point.

Of course not,although I suspect you would if the nominee were a Muslim.

Or even a Quaker or a Mormon.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   14:58:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Vicomte13 (#108)

a True Believer will put his religious beliefs ahead of everything else,

True.

And there is nothing wrong with that as long as they aren't the President of the United States. Although to be completely honest I have a serious problem with Catholics that owe their first allegiance to Rome,and Jews who owe their first allegiance to Israel. IMHO,if Rome and Israel are that important to you,you need to man the bleep up and move you ass to same zip code your heart occupies.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   15:03:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: sneakypete (#120)

Of course not,although I suspect you would if the nominee were a Muslim.

Or even a Quaker or a Mormon.

Well cross off Mormon. I stated on LP that Romney's religion would not influence my decision to vote or not vote for him.

Muslim? Your right I did not vote for the Muslim presidential candidate and settled for the Mormon in 2012. Plus unlike our American Christian tradition, Islam is inherently political from its inception.

Finally, we already had a Quaker President:

Nixon was a Quaker.

Nixon’s mother, Hannah, was a devout Quaker who instilled the faith in her husband and children. After the failure of his father’s lemon grove in Yorba Linda, California, Nixon moved with the family in 1922 to the nearby Quaker community of Whittier, which was named after one of America’s most eminent Quakers, the poet John Greenleaf Whittier. As a boy, Nixon went to Quaker meetings four times on Sundays and played the piano at church services. He enrolled at Whittier College, a Quaker institution, and attended mandatory chapel hours every day.

http://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about- richard-nixon

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-07   15:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: redleghunter (#122)

I miss church. I wish I had more time.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-07   15:44:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Rufus T Firefly (#0)

You can post thoughts here...

My girlfriend watched it and said that she was utterly
disgusted by Kasich, the Ohio Governor. I don't know why.
I didn't waste my time watching any of the circus.
Actually, immediately after dinner I fell asleep.
So there are my thoughts and opinions...

Chuck_Wagon  posted on  2015-08-07   16:16:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: sneakypete (#121)

IMHO,if Rome and Israel are that important to you,you need to man the bleep up and move you ass to same zip code your heart occupies.

Jesus is God. God owns the whole world, and every person in it. He is the King, all humans are his subjects. Those who refuse to recognize his sovereign rule are rebellious subjects. He tolerates their existence.

The religion of Jesus is universal; its adherents span every land, and all of the land belongs to God. Which means that every acre of land on earth is under the jurisdiction of God.

The Catholic Church is God's Church on earth. The Holy Spirit was breathed into it, and lives there.

Therefore, the moral jurisdiction of the Catholic Church, as God's One True Faith, properly extends over every human on earth, and over every acre of soil.

Therefore, there is no "manning up" and moving to Rome. Every zip code on earth properly belongs to us. Through conversion and settlement the people of God seek to people the whole world and subdue her.

Wherever we are, it all belongs to us. Where nations and cultures have erected idols that oppose God, it is our job to peacefully undermine those idols, to replace them with truth, and to fill up those lands. This takes time, and we have until the end of it. Dripping hollows out rock.

So, there will be no moving. It's all ours, and in the end, our King will rule it all. And until he comes, we will be steadily pressing his borders outward, among the realms of men, and inward, in their hearts.

Rome merely happens to be where the HQ tent is currently pitched. But the whole world belongs to God, and therefore I'm not conceding any of it. And particularly not my native land. We are not leaving. We are taking it over. Demographics say that the Catholics will prevail.

So, I've heard your request for me to leave. But I prefer to stay and conquer.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-07   16:27:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: redleghunter (#122)

We had TWO Quaker Presidents: Richard Nixon and Herbert Hoover.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-07   16:28:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Rufus T Firefly, Pericles (#103)

I would have loved to be at one of the Lincoln/Douglas debates. I wonder if they could have dumbed it down to the point where it would have made for good TV, though

A transcript of all the Lincoln-Douglas debates is available in the Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume 3. An searchable online version is available at the University of Michigan. It would have to be sanitized or bleeped.

Lincoln - Douglas First Debate, August 21, 1858, CW 3:1-37

Lincoln - Douglas Second Debate, August 27, 1858, CW 3:38-76

Lincoln - Douglas Third Debate, September 15, 1858, CW 3:102-144

Lincoln - Douglas Fourth Debate, September 18, 1858, CW 3:145-201

Lincoln - Douglas Fifth Debate, October 7, 1858, CW 3:207-244

Lincoln - Douglas Sixth Debate, 13 October 1858, CW 3:245-283

Lincoln - Douglas Seventh Debate, October 15, 1858, CW 3:283-325

nolu chan  posted on  2015-08-07   17:12:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: TooConservative (#50)

Not endorsing your party's nominee is not the same as running third party after participating in a party's nomination process.

Both are chicken sh*t thinks to do if you did vie for the nomination and lost.

And for all the whining over Ron Paul not endorsing the Stain or Romney, do you think it would have made any difference? Of course not.

Wrongo. There are things such as character, integrity, honor, decency, etc. that do matter very much - at least in my book.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-07   17:14:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: CZ82 (#74)

He refused to say that he would support the REP nominee if it wasn't him. That's chicken sh*t then, now and always.

Ahhh yes support the nimrod that the establishment nominates, where has that thought process gotten this country in the last 80 years??

Then why run for the nomination at all if you don't like the nimrods running it? Have some integrity, honesty, character, conjones, etc. and run 3rd party right off. Don't be a cry baby take my ball home asshole because you didn't win then pretend that it wasn't all that important to you because you really didn't want to be a member of that club anyhow. Chicken sh*t is as chicken sh*t does. And Trump is pure chicken sh*t.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-07   17:17:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: SOSO (#129)

Chicken sh*t is as chicken sh*t does. And Trump is pure chicken sh*t.

Lots of folks are on the Trump band wagon.

It reminds me of the Perot phenomenon. I'm watching and am careful not to attack those who are supportive of him.

p.s. I share your thoughts on him.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2015-08-07   17:27:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: Fred Mertz (#130)

Lots of folks are on the Trump band wagon.

Ditto Obama. How do you like them apples?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-07   17:34:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: redleghunter (#122)

Plus unlike our American Christian tradition, Islam is inherently political from its inception.

I have to disagree with that one. Anyone even remotely familiar with the history of the Catholic Church knows that for hundreds of years it functioned as a arm of government everywhere it planted roots.

They even had their own courts and their own sentencing for anyone they accused of committing religious crimes.

In fact,not too long ago they were still playing these brutal games in Ireland.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   18:49:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Vicomte13 (#125)

Therefore, the moral jurisdiction of the Catholic Church, as God's One True Faith, properly extends over every human on earth, and over every acre of soil.

Therefore, there is no "manning up" and moving to Rome. Every zip code on earth properly belongs to us.

Through conversion and settlement the people of God seek to people the whole world and subdue her.

Uh,huh.

And the difference between fundie Catholics like you and fundie Muslims is you spell "Sharia Law" differently?

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   18:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: SOSO, CZ82 (#129)

Then why run for the nomination at all if you don't like the nimrods running it? Have some integrity, honesty, character, conjones, etc. and run 3rd party right off.

Because a valid case can be made that we haven't had an actual Republican Presidential nominee since Reagan. They have all be Dims in Republican clothing.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   19:43:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Fred Mertz, SOSO (#130)

Lots of folks are on the Trump band wagon.

It reminds me of the Perot phenomenon.

Trump is Perot without all the class business acumen. Perot actually created new businesses that put people to work. All Trump has ever done was bankrupt companies and put people out of work as he makes his money selling the bones.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   19:45:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: sneakypete (#133)

Uh,huh.

And the difference between fundie Catholics like you and fundie Muslims is you spell "Sharia Law" differently?

No. The difference is that the content of our moral code is quite different.

Their Allah permits them to marry multiple women and to beat them to keep them in line. Our Jesus permits us to marry only one, for life, as our helper and lover.

Their Allah demands that they make war on all of the infidels unto the end of the world. Our Jesus commands us to be peaceful and turn the other cheek.

Their Allah permits them to lie in order to advance their cause, because deception is legitimate in war, and they are always at war until the whole world is Muslim. Our Jesus commands us not to lie.

Their Allah and our Jesus demand everything of us - in that sense the Muslim and the Christian are parallel. But precisely WHAT Allah demands and WHAT Jesus demands is what makes all of the difference.

The Third Reich and the USA both had governments. They both had leaders, budgets and police forces. In that sense, they were very similar. But the content of their respective laws as different, and that made all the difference.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-07   20:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: Vicomte13 (#136)

Our Jesus commands us to be peaceful and turn the other cheek.

Maybe,but nobody listens,or there wouldn't have been a war with the Protestants that lasted several hundred years.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   20:38:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Stoner (#118)

Maybe, but I certainly always enjoy watching anyone slapping Chris Matthews around!

No maybe to it. She was fired from Hewlett Packard because of incompetence. She looked te part and playacted the part, but was a disaster.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-07   20:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: SOSO (#128) (Edited)

Wrongo. There are things such as character, integrity, honor, decency, etc. that do matter very much - at least in my book.

Honor and decency? You're talking about endorsing the Stain.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-07   21:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: rlk (#138)

OK Robert, I take your word for it. Until now, I knew nothing about her, only her name and the fact that she was part of a high tech company. That was the extent of my knowledge about her. But I still liked her giving Chrissy Mathews some shit!

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Stoner  posted on  2015-08-07   21:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: sneakypete (#137)

Maybe,but nobody listens,or there wouldn't have been a war with the Protestants that lasted several hundred years.

Few listen. That's true. It's the tragedy of our race.

Vicomte13  posted on  2015-08-07   21:17:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: TooConservative (#139)

Wrongo. There are things such as character, integrity, honor, decency, etc. that do matter very much - at least in my book.

Honor and decency? You're talking about endorsing the Stain.

If Stain was good enough for you to be included as a front runner in the party that you wanted to win over, yes honor and decency. If the Wizard had a problem with McCain or any of the front runners in the REP Party WTF is doing running in that party other than to use the party to gain national visibility and the money that comes with that?

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-07   21:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: sneakypete, CZ82 (#134)

Then why run for the nomination at all if you don't like the nimrods running it? Have some integrity, honesty, character, conjones, etc. and run 3rd party right off. Because a valid case can be made that we haven't had an actual Republican Presidential nominee since Reagan. They have all be Dims in Republican clothing.

So run 3rd Party right off.

потому что Бог хочет это тот путь

SOSO  posted on  2015-08-07   21:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: Stoner (#140)

Until now, I knew nothing about her, only her name and the fact that she was part of a high tech company. That was the extent of my knowledge about her.

That's what she is counting on. If you're not familiar with HP, their history, and haven't used their equipment, it's easy for her to strut into a room, announce she was a former CEO and pull the wool over people's eyes.

rlk  posted on  2015-08-07   21:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: SOSO (#143)

So run 3rd Party right off.

Why? Why not run as an actual Republican since no one else is? Let THEM run for a 3rd party seat.

Why is democracy held in such high esteem when it’s the enemy of the minority and makes all rights relative to the dictates of the majority? (Ron Paul,2012)

sneakypete  posted on  2015-08-07   21:37:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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