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Title: Anyone watching the debate? You can post thoughts here
Source: Fox News
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Published: Aug 6, 2015
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Post Date: 2015-08-06 20:56:58 by Rufus T Firefly
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Views: 24861
Comments: 185

Hype? Anticipation? Thoughts?

Roman circuses?

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#1. To: All (#0) (Edited)

The Fox talking heads declared Carly Fiorina the winner of the consolation prize d debate, Part I

She did well - we'll see.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   20:58:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

HEADLINE! HEADLINE!

TRUMP GRIMACED

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   21:00:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rufus T Firefly (#2)

HEADLINE! HEADLINE!

TRUMP GRIMACED

I think Jeb! may have farted shamelessly. He's pandering to the Farto-American vote.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-06   21:14:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TooConservative (#3)

Kasich - big government republican. Strike 3 - he's outta there.

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-06   21:22:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Rufus T Firefly (#4)

Kasich - big government republican. Strike 3 - he's outta there.

DrewM at AoS is convinced Kasich will be Bush's running mate. Depressing, eh?

A lot of others seem to think that is the natural ticket because the GOP must win FL and they must win OH or they can't win at all. Much as I dislike Bush and Kasich, I'm not totally convinced they are wrong.

The Dems get 242 electoral votes if they just flip off their voters and don't even campaign. So the EC is slanted against the GOP.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-06   22:01:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: TooConservative (#29) (Edited)

I am still not impressed by Cruz's stage ability. He is smart and probably a great court lawyer but he is trying to dumb it down and seem sincere (does he look like that always with the attempt to make an earnest face or is that an act?). Anyway, as a marketing guy myself I see Cruz as Joe Isuzu....

The rest kind of did as good as I expected and I think Dr Carson redeemed himself in my eyes. For a long time, this very smart neurosurgeon always sounded like a retard Freeper - and not know the Baltic countries were in NATO would just have me wondering if he was really smart or just an affirmative action doctor?

But last night Carson spoke in a way that redeemed him in my eyes. He is a smart guy but knows jack about foreign policy and politics so he was copying talk show radio points (like Trump did).

Also, why are we calling these debates "debates" - they are question and answer sessions. Trump did OK - no knockout tonight by him on the others but I think he won't be hurt too much by how new he was to the process.

Chris Christie's support for the Patriot Act and mentioning 9/10 and 9/11 over and over made me sick. I fucking hate Republicans invoking 9/11 after the shit those morons did under retard Bush. Paul had it right - get a warrant from a judge you fat piece of shit. Paul seemed combative but that is not his strength.

Oh, and Bush looked puzzled. Like he was not expecting it to be this hard or something.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-07   9:22:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Pericles (#88)

Also, why are we calling these debates "debates" - they are question and answer sessions.

I would love to see a real debate. You're right - these things we look at every election cycle are NOT debates.

While it probably wouldn't have worked last night - too many players - a real debate where the candidates challenge each other (with little moderator interruption) would be revealing and educational.

It would work with 2 or 3 candidates.

I would have loved to be at one of the Lincoln/Douglas debates. I wonder if they could have dumbed it down to the point where it would have made for good TV, though

Rufus T Firefly  posted on  2015-08-07   12:29:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#104. To: Rufus T Firefly (#103)

Also, why are we calling these debates "debates" - they are question and answer sessions.

I would love to see a real debate. You're right - these things we look at every election cycle are NOT debates.

I think debates are a hold over from earlier times - I mean real debates like in college.

The earliest elections did not have the actual candidate campaigning because it was seen as too unseemly. You had surrogates do that for the candidate. It was bad form to praise yourself and say you are better than the other guy.

We are entering a more crass phase of election styles.

Pericles  posted on  2015-08-07 12:36:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Rufus T Firefly (#103)

While it probably wouldn't have worked last night - too many players - a real debate where the candidates challenge each other (with little moderator interruption) would be revealing and educational.

You could do an afternoon debate, ask serious policy questions, have a formal debate system, let pairs face off with a main argument on a topic and then pepper each other with questions.

The only problem is that lawyers would excel. And Ted Cruz would demonstrate why he was a Princeton/Harvard debate champ. But would it make him a better president. Our presidents are elected to act on their own judgment, not to debate the cabinet on policy. This is why presidents don't debate the cabinet. They set policy and tell the cabinet to implement it.

Tooconservative  posted on  2015-08-07 12:43:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: Rufus T Firefly, Pericles (#103)

I would have loved to be at one of the Lincoln/Douglas debates. I wonder if they could have dumbed it down to the point where it would have made for good TV, though

A transcript of all the Lincoln-Douglas debates is available in the Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Volume 3. An searchable online version is available at the University of Michigan. It would have to be sanitized or bleeped.

Lincoln - Douglas First Debate, August 21, 1858, CW 3:1-37

Lincoln - Douglas Second Debate, August 27, 1858, CW 3:38-76

Lincoln - Douglas Third Debate, September 15, 1858, CW 3:102-144

Lincoln - Douglas Fourth Debate, September 18, 1858, CW 3:145-201

Lincoln - Douglas Fifth Debate, October 7, 1858, CW 3:207-244

Lincoln - Douglas Sixth Debate, 13 October 1858, CW 3:245-283

Lincoln - Douglas Seventh Debate, October 15, 1858, CW 3:283-325

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