Title: The Military and Political Decline of the West Source:
[None] URL Source:http://www.liveleak.com Published:Aug 5, 2015 Author:sneakypete Post Date:2015-08-05 14:09:12 by sneakypete Keywords:None Views:2563 Comments:15
#3. To: sneakypete, Fred Mertz, A Pole, Vicomte13, TooConservative (#0)(Edited)
A retired senior Admiral outlines the rise of Islam and the decline of the west in plain words anyone can understand.
In the late 1800s the British empire trained and armed a nation of religous fanatics in an effort to hem in a threat to their empire.
The nation the Brits trained was Imperial Japan which went on to defeat the Russian empire in 1905 (financed by Russian Jacob Schiff in Wall Street as revenge for pogroms).
Less than 40 years later these very same Japanese, using the navy the British helped build attacked the British empire in Asia and ended European colonial rule in most of Asia and were allied with the Nazis (Oops, Jacob Schiff).
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History reapets itself when Reagan armed the jihdis to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan in an updated version of The Great Game.
Less than 20 years later, the USA finds itself fighting a world wide jihad lead by the very same jihadists it armed and trained to fight the Russians.
History reapets itself when Reagan armed the jihdis to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan in an updated version of The Great Game.
Even though I have negative feelings about any involvement by us in the Muddle East,you have to admit that the ragheads are a MUCH less serious threat than the USSR was.
And will remain a much less serious threat unless we screw up and continue to pretend to fight them while ignoring their financiers and clerics.
Which does seem to be precisely what we are doing.
I have said it before and I will say it again,NOBODY ever won a war by killing privates. If you want to win a war you MUST take out the enemy leadership and their financing. If you do both early,there won't even be a need to destroy their infastructure and cause their common people to suffer.
I have absolutely zero faith we are going to do what we should be doing,though.IMHO we are going to continue doing what we are doing bnow,which is wasting lives on both sides while creating new enemy fighters to go against us with ever day that passes.
If you are going to fight a war,fight a damn war! If you're not going to fight,pack it all up and bring it and the troops back home and be done with it.
Even though I have negative feelings about any involvement by us in the Muddle East,you have to admit that the ragheads are a MUCH less serious threat than the USSR was.
yes and no.
The problem is many people kind of make the assumption that the USA's funding of jihadists helped destroy the USSR. That is not the case. It had almost zero to do with the collapse of the USSR. The USSR would have collapsed exactly the same way at exactly the same time if the Afghanistan war was never funded by the CIA. Even if the USSR never invaded Afghanistan it would have collapsed the exact same way.
So that makes all that effort to arm jihdist crazies that much more of a waste when 9/11 is factored in. Of course at that time no one in the USA would know this. In fact as the USA was collapsing on TV, the CIA totally missed the event - it was presenting the USSR stronger than ever as it was collapsing. Either they wanted more of a budget increase in the CIA or they were clouded by their personal feelings or were incompetants.
WASHINGTON, May 20— Responding to criticism that the Central Intelligence Agency failed to forecast the collapse of the Soviet system, its director, Robert M. Gates, today conceded shortcomings in the agency's analysis, but defended its overall performance over the years.
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Democrat of New York, who wrote in 1979 that the Soviet Union would break up in the 1980's, has called for the dissolution of the agency. The Senate and House intelligence committees have introduced bills calling for sweeping reorganization of the entire intelligence apparatus of the Government.
The problem is many people kind of make the assumption that the USA's funding of jihadists helped destroy the USSR. That is not the case.
It had almost zero to do with the collapse of the USSR.
I disagree. Mostly. Yes,that is correct IF you ONLY consider the challenge to the Soviets in Afghanistan. Which is not what was happening or had been happening. We had been butting heads with the USSR and their proxies ever since the Korean War.
The USSR would have collapsed exactly the same way at exactly the same time if the Afghanistan war was never funded by the CIA. Even if the USSR never invaded Afghanistan it would have collapsed the exact same way.
Yes,but not in the same timeframe. Communism creates an impossible economic system either quickly dominates the entire world economy,or it fails.
The prime questions are "WHEN will it fail,and how many people have to suffer whie waiting for it to fail?
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Democrat of New York,
I couldn't care less what Peppermint Patty had to say. He was a bright guy,but he toed the company line.
The Afghanistan war may have prolonged the Cold War. The USSR could have collapsed sooner if they were not motivated into winning in Afghanistan.
Maybe it's just me,but I'd sure like to hear an explanation on how the Soviet Union would have gone bankrupt and collapsed sooner by taking financial pressure off of them.
The Afghanistan war may have prolonged the Cold War. The USSR could have collapsed sooner if they were not motivated into winning in Afghanistan.
Maybe it's just me,but I'd sure like to hear an explanation on how the Soviet Union would have gone bankrupt and collapsed sooner by taking financial pressure off of them.
The same way Germany held on longer after the war was lost when Hitler was in power or Japan. Because the allies said they would not negotiate unless it was total surrender the Japs and Germans fought on beyond the conditions they would have surrendered.
Gorbachev wanted to end the system but as long as there was fighting in Afghanistan he had less wiggle room with the hawks.
The same way Germany held on longer after the war was lost when Hitler was in power or Japan. Because the allies said they would not negotiate unless it was total surrender the Japs and Germans fought on beyond the conditions they would have surrendered.
Gorbachev wanted to end the system but as long as there was fighting in Afghanistan he had less wiggle room with the hawks.
Nice theory,but I ain't buying it.
The Red Army was the 700 lb gorilla sitting in the corner nobody wanted to notice,and it was necessary for them to be disgusted and worn out before the system could collapse. The only thing that could do that would be to get them worn down from fighting wars they knew they couldn't win.
