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Title: Texas Public School Posts Made Up Quotes from Reagan, Bible, George Washington to Promote Christianity
Source: Ring of Fire
URL Source: https://www.ringoffireradio.com/201 ... hington-and-others-to-promote/
Published: Aug 5, 2015
Author: KJ McElrath
Post Date: 2015-08-05 13:17:53 by Willie Green
Keywords: None
Views: 1584
Comments: 12

Did you have any idea that our first President believed that government required God and the Bible in order to function? And are you familiar with the following quote from President Ronald Reagan? “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.”  Chances are you haven’t heard of either of these – because they’re both fiction. George Washington is better categorized as a Deist (rather than a traditional Christian), and Reagan never made such a statement about the Bible.

It’s part of a strange indoctrination strategy at a small school district in eastern Texas. On the walls of the school hallways and classrooms are many such alleged “passages” from the Bible and “statements” attributed to prominent figures in American history that all are inaccurate, misquoted, taken out of context, and even made up out of whole cloth. All of this came to light recently because of the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF).

The FFRF wrote a letter demanding that the Mount Vernon Independent School District (MSISD) remove such quotes on grounds that they are in violation of the US Constitution’s Establishment Clause: “Courts have continually held that public school districts may not endorse religious messages, including text taken from the bible. [The] MVISD is a public school district and its schools should not be in the business of advancing Christianity by displaying bible quotes on district property.”

Besides, the quotes are misleading, erroneous, and in many cases, complete fabrication.  According to FFRF attorney Samuel Grover: “The district cannot even fall back on the argument that these quotes have educational merit, given the many examples of misquotes, misattributions, and entirely fraudulent quotes displayed on its walls…The district sets a poor example for its students if it cannot be bothered to fact check the messages it chooses to endorse.”

It goes beyond quotes painted on the walls. According to FFRF co-president Annie Gaylor, it is “religion run amok, targeting a captive audience of young students, including elementary school students,” and includes “religious mottos, symbols, posters, bible verses and Christian T-shirts.” So far, all the school district superintendent has to say is that “we are communicating with our lawyers and are in the process of addressing each of their complaints.”

Sadly, the MVISD is not alone in promoting an “alternate version” of American history. Across the country, efforts are being made to manipulate and suppress curriculum in order to conform to right-wing ideology. Recently, College Board, the “non-profit” company that designs curriculum for advanced placement (AP) US History courses, revised its standards to reflect “American Exceptionalism” and minimize negative aspects of the nation’s historical narrative, such as racism, slavery and the government’s treatment of indigenous peoples. GOP lawmakers across the country are attempting to ban AP US History courses completely on the grounds that they are “too biased.” Last year, the Texas State Board of Education voted to approve US history textbooks in which Moses is depicted as the nation’s “Founding Father,” shoving the right-wing Christianist worldview down school


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Was Moses a Founding Father?

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#1. To: Willie Green, GarySpFc, liberator (#0)

George Washington is better categorized as a Deist (rather than a traditional Christian),

Deists don't make a point of attending Sunday communion with other Christians. Something Washington did quite often and there is evidence of such. Whereas, there is absolutely NO evidence Washington was a deist.

If you want to read a book on the researched faith of George Washington and what books he kept in his library I suggest "Sacred Fire."

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-05   13:57:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Willie Green, liberator, GarySpFc, BobCeleste, CZ82, TooConservative, tomder55, out damned spot, *Bible Study Ping* (#0)

Did you have any idea that our first President believed that government required God and the Bible in order to function? And are you familiar with the following quote from President Ronald Reagan? “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.” Chances are you haven’t heard of either of these – because they’re both fiction. George Washington is better categorized as a Deist (rather than a traditional Christian), and Reagan never made such a statement about the Bible.

What I have found out is many of what are passed as quotes from American history on the web are paraphrases of long speeches. The attention span of public school educated people are short, so they summarize these speeches in what are called 'quotes' using quotation marks. The great orators of old did not engage in talking points memos with catchy summarized quotes.

So the Reagan and Washington quotes may not be accurate, but they do express things they believed and said in longer speeches. For example, the Reagan 'quote' used in the article could have easily been taken as a paraphrase from the following 1983 Prayer breakfast speech:

CT Classic: President Reagan and the Bible

He speaks out strongly for the importance of Scripture.

June 1, 2004

President Reagan declared 1983 the Year of the Bible during his address at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, D.C., on February 3. Three days earlier, he addressed a session of the National Religious Broadcasters convention on the theme of the Bible. His 21-minute speech was interrupted by applause 15 times.

Christianity Today's March 4, 1983 issue, excerpted the speech. Here it is printed in full.

Thank you all very much, and thank you, Brandt Gustavson. [President of the National Religious Broadcasters]. Ladies and gentlemen, the distinguished guests, thank you all very much.

I had a little problem last night myself with regard to my name. [Laughter] I thought about a week ago that maybe I would persuade someone to change their name from Riggins to Reagan. [Laughter] But after yesterday afternoon, I thought maybe I ought to change my name to his. [Laughter]

You all have an expression among you that—well, first of all, you confess to being poor audiences for others; I haven't found it so. But you also have an expression about preaching to the choir. I don't know just exactly what my address, how that fits under that today, but what a wonderful sight you are.

In a few days I'll be celebrating another birthday, which, according to some in the press, puts me on a par with Moses. [Laughter] That doesn't really bother me, because every year when I come here, when I look out at your warm and caring faces, I get a very special feeling, like being born again.

There's something else I've been noticing. In a time when recession has gripped our land, your industry, religious broadcasting, has enjoyed phenomenal growth. Now, there may be some who are frightened by your success, but I'm not one of them. As far as I'm concerned, the growth of religious broadcasting is one of the most heartening signs in America today.

When we realize that every penny of that growth is being funded voluntarily by citizens of every stripe, we see an important truth. It's something that I have been speaking of for quite some time—that the American people are hungry for your message, because they're hungry for a spiritual revival in this land. When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.''

Facing the future with the Bible—that's a perfect theme for your convention. You might be happy to hear that I have some "good news'' of my own. Thursday morning, at the National Prayer Breakfast, I will sign a proclamation making 1983 the Year of the Bible.

We're blessed to have its words of strength, comfort, and truth. I'm accused of being simplistic at times with some of the problems that confront us. But I've often wondered: Within the covers of that single Book are all the answers to all the problems that face us today, if we'd only look there. "The grass withereth, the flower fadeth, but the word of our God shall stand forever.'' I hope Americans will read and study the Bible in 1983. It's my firm belief that the enduring values, as I say, presented in its pages have a great meaning for each of us and for our nation. The Bible can touch our hearts, order our minds, refresh our souls.

Now, I realize it's fashionable in some circles to believe that no one in government should order or encourage others to read the Bible. Encourage—I shouldn't have said order. We're told that will violate the constitutional separation of church and state established by the Founding Fathers in the first amendment. The speech continues here for those who are not challenged beyond talking points memos: Page 2

Ok, Willey time for you to go to school. This article you posted and the "Was Moses a Founding Father" are both hit pieces and misleading. All because liberals can't get their way in Texas like everywhere else. Now, the text books DO NOT say Moses was a founding father but:

The problems with this textbook adoption process began in 2010, when the education board passed new history standards that require students to “identify the individuals whose principles of laws and government institutions informed the American founding documents, including those of Moses,” and establish how “biblical law” was a major influence on America’s founding.

The bolded above is TRUE. America was founded by mostly Christians, influenced by the Christian worldview and guess what, they all read the Bible back then. How could not Moses, Jesus Christ, Paul and Peter NOT BE influencial? Most of the denominations were heavily influenced by the Protestant Reformation as well.

Across the country, efforts are being made to manipulate and suppress curriculum in order to conform to right-wing ideology.

Oh dear, you mean Conservatives are finally fighting back with the same tools as the leftists? Oh dear poor liberals. I know the leftist Texans (we have a few down here for sure, not many but some) would rather replace Che Guevara as the father of our country instead of George Washington.

So your article is liberal rubbish written by a hit squad with little facts other than they are sore they lost.

Here's another reason your link on Moses is WRONG:

Even the conservative Fordham Institute called Texas’ standards “a politicized distortion of history.” Distortion or not, textbook publishers must abide by these standards if they want to secure board approval. For example, McGraw-Hill’s U.S. Government textbook says Moses and the Covenant “contributed to our Constitutional structure.”

Here is why your link is wrong:

At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;

“For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us.”

More below and here: Founder Quotes on God, Bible and faith

James Madison

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

Letter by Madison to William Bradford (September 25, 1773) • In 1812, President Madison signed a federal bill which economically aided the Bible Society of Philadelphia in its goal of the mass distribution of the Bible.

“ An Act for the relief of the Bible Society of Philadelphia” Approved February 2, 1813 by Congress “It is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.”

• A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest, while we are building ideal monuments of renown and bliss here, we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven. [Letter by Madison to William Bradford [urging him to make sure of his own salvation] November 9, 1772]

Justice Joseph Story:

“ I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. . . There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations.” [Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States p. 593] “ Infidels and pagans were banished from the halls of justice as unworthy of credit.” [Life and letters of Joseph Story, Vol. II 1851, pp. 8-9.]

Noah Webster:

“ The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men.”

“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.” [Source: 1828, in the preface to his American Dictionary of the English Language]

Your article is bunk Willey.

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.---John 1:17

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-05   14:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Willie Green, *Bible Study Ping* (#0)

And are you familiar with the following quote from President Ronald Reagan? “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.” Chances are you haven’t heard of either of these – because they’re both fiction.

Looks like the Reagan quote is not fiction:

President Reagan's Remarks at the Annual National Prayer Breakfast February 3, 1983

"I'm so thankful that there will always be one day in the year when people all over our land can sit down as neighbors and friends and remind ourselves of what our real task is. This task was spelled out in the Old and the New Testament. Jesus was asked, ``Master, which is the great commandment in the law?'' And He replied, ``Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. The second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.''

Can we resolve to reach, learn, and try to heed the greatest message ever written -- God's word and the Holy Bible. Inside its pages lie all the answers to all the problems that man has ever known."

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1983/20383a.htm

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1983/83feb.htm

I guess it 'ain't' the Texans who are dumbed down idiots Willey.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-05   15:07:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Willie Green, *Bible Study Ping* (#0)

Proclamations, February 3, 1983 Proclamation 5018 -- Year of the Bible, 1983 February 3, 1983

By the President of the United States

of America

A Proclamation

Of the many influences that have shaped the United States of America into a distinctive Nation and people, none may be said to be more fundamental and enduring than the Bible.

Deep religious beliefs stemming from the Old and New Testaments of the Bible inspired many of the early settlers of our country, providing them with the strength, character, convictions, and faith necessary to withstand great hardship and danger in this new and rugged land. These shared beliefs helped forge a sense of common purpose among the widely dispersed colonies -- a sense of community which laid the foundation for the spirit of nationhood that was to develop in later decades.

The Bible and its teachings helped form the basis for the Founding Fathers' abiding belief in the inalienable rights of the individual, rights which they found implicit in the Bible's teachings of the inherent worth and dignity of each individual. This same sense of man patterned the convictions of those who framed the English system of law inherited by our own Nation, as well as the ideals set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

For centuries the Bible's emphasis on compassion and love for our neighbor has inspired institutional and governmental expressions of benevolent outreach such as private charity, the establishment of schools and hospitals, and the abolition of slavery.

Many of our greatest national leaders -- among them Presidents Washington, Jackson, Lincoln, and Wilson -- have recognized the influence of the Bible on our country's development. The plainspoken Andrew Jackson referred to the Bible as no less than ``the rock on which our Republic rests.'' Today our beloved America and, indeed, the world, is facing a decade of enormous challenge. As a people we may well be tested as we have seldom, if ever, been tested before. We will need resources of spirit even more than resources of technology, education, and armaments. There could be no more fitting moment than now to reflect with gratitude, humility, and urgency upon the wisdom revealed to us in the writing that Abraham Lincoln called ``the best gift God has ever given to man . . . But for it we could not know right from wrong.''

The Congress of the United States, in recognition of the unique contribution of the Bible in shaping the history and character of this Nation, and so many of its citizens, has by Senate Joint Resolution 165 authorized and requested the President to designate the year 1983 as the ``Year of the Bible.''

Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, in recognition of the contributions and influence of the Bible on our Republic and our people, do hereby proclaim 1983 the Year of the Bible in the United States. I encourage all citizens, each in his or her own way, to reexamine and rediscover its priceless and timeless message.

In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this third day of February, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and seventh.

Ronald Reagan

[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 10:10 a.m., February 3, 1983]

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1983/20383b.htm

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-05   15:11:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Willie Green, liberator, BobCeleste, tomder55, A K A Stone, Don, GarySpFc, *Bible Study Ping* (#0)

Besides, the quotes are misleading, erroneous, and in many cases, complete fabrication. According to FFRF attorney Samuel Grover: “The district cannot even fall back on the argument that these quotes have educational merit, given the many examples of misquotes, misattributions, and entirely fraudulent quotes displayed on its walls…The district sets a poor example for its students if it cannot be bothered to fact check the messages it chooses to endorse.”

The only fabrication is this article. I already pointed out the Reagan quote is genuine from a 1983 National Prayer breakfast. I also pointed out GW was not a deist.

Now:

Did you have any idea that our first President believed that government required God and the Bible in order to function?

The above is not one of the quotes the school put up on the wall. Just commentary from the article author. But Washington did say in his 1796 farewell address the following:

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-05   18:05:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Willie Green, *Bible Study Ping* (#0)

The FFRF wrote a letter demanding that the Mount Vernon Independent School District (MSISD) remove such quotes on grounds that they are in violation of the US Constitution’s Establishment Clause: “Courts have continually held that public school districts may not endorse religious messages, including text taken from the bible. [The] MVISD is a public school district and its schools should not be in the business of advancing Christianity by displaying bible quotes on district property.”

Please tell me how posting quotes from American leaders and politicians opining on religion, God and the Bible is against the 'establishment clause?"

If the school put up a quote from Aldous Huxley are they in violation of establishing Huxley as some prophet of a sensual religion?

Yet another bogus claim from leftists. They want to blot out all mention of religion, God and the Bible in our American history. That's the goal and it's hilarious they are accusing Texas schools of their same tactics.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-05   18:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Willie Green (#0)

President Ronald Reagan? “Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.” Chances are you haven’t heard of either of these – because they’re both fiction.

Took all of 2 minutes to find the quote http://www.celebrate-american-holidays.com/Ronald-Reagan-Quotes.html

Justified  posted on  2015-08-05   18:59:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: All (#7)

It was an impressive point for a determinedly non-intellectual politician to make. (Mind you, up for election two years later, he repeated the point in a Bible-Belt oration. On television I saw him hold aloft the good book: "Within the covers of the Bible are all the answers for all the problems men face.")

http://www.mckellen.com/writings/040606rr.htm

Justified  posted on  2015-08-05   19:44:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: redleghunter, Willie Green (#5)

The only fabrication is this article. I already pointed out the Reagan quote is genuine from a 1983 National Prayer breakfast. I also pointed out GW was not a deist.

Now:

Did you have any idea that our first President believed that government required God and the Bible in order to function?

From a prior post: ("I guess it 'ain't' the Texans who are dumbed down idiots Willey.")

Your rebuttal, Willie?

Tick...tick...tick...

Reagan's quote at a National Prayer Breakfast vindicates the fallacious charge of historical revisionism from your Leftist/anti-Christian source. Indicted are the liars whose agenda gives them license to create a fictitious essay out of thin air. Only idiots bought this kind of propaganda hook line, and sinker.

Liberator  posted on  2015-08-05   23:18:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Liberator (#9)

I'm starting to think the leftists who publish these blogs are not trying to be deceptive. I think they lack a true education and believe everything they write has to be true.

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-06   0:52:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Liberator (#9)

Your rebuttal, Willie?

Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Texans are idiots...
Moses was not a Founding Father...
Mosaic Law violates the First Amendment.

Willie Green  posted on  2015-08-06   7:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Willie Green, liberator, A K A Stone (#11)

Texans are idiots... Moses was not a Founding Father... Mosaic Law violates the First Amendment.

1. Texans are not idiots. I was born, raised and educated in the NYC area. Now I live in Texas. Texans are good natured people who know the REAL American history and not the revisionist crap you posted.

2. Check your own sources. They make the claim that the text books call Moses a founding father, but when you dig into the information, that is a false claim. If you read any of my posts you would now realize that and admit you and the author of this article are wrong. What the text book implies is that the Hebrew Law influenced Western civilization's laws. Makes sense as the Western world was built by Christians in Europe.

3. Mosaic Law does not violate the First Amendment. What a bizarre comment. When people discuss Mosaic law in Western law tradition they are referring to the 10 Commandments and . Stuff like:

-Don't Kill

-Don't steal

-Respect other people's family and property

-Added to this is from Leviticus 19:18: “Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.” Which we can find on the Sermon on the Mount (most call the Golden Rule)

So yeah, we have those traditions from the Bible in the core of our Western laws and moral set.

Willie I exposed the horrible job done by the author of your posted piece (and also the linked article in your comments section). Care to address my comments?

"When Americans reach out for values of faith, family, and caring for the needy, they're saying, "We want the word of God. We want to face the future with the Bible.'"---Ronald Reagan

redleghunter  posted on  2015-08-06   11:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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